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in the name of god, greetings, politeness, respect, service to one of you, dear and respected viewers of the above program, we are at your service with another debate on the topic of who is in charge of determining the tariffs and rates of internet taxis, the competition council or the companies themselves , surely the news about the option i'm in a hurry , i don't have internet taxi commission rate , internet taxi pricing. or basically , you have heard about the tariff that is being charged these days , you must have used these services and you have some tips if you are interested in this debate. stay with us , we want to talk about the same issue , basically who should be in charge of pricing, should the companies themselves be in charge at all, or should another institution like the competition council come in ? whether the punishments for entry was the right entry or not are all issues that

we will answer in this debate . please accompany us until the end. zulfiqari believes in the entry of the competition council, and the exclusivity of this market mr. fatemi believes in another way. let me start with the question of who, in your opinion, should be in charge of setting rates for commissions for prices or in general for the work that is being done in the field of internet taxi . let's make sure that mechanism brings us to competitive prices. the mechanism

of my resume is not to interfere in the commission figures or taxi transfer rates. the competitiveness of this market is a market with high concentration. the characteristic of platform markets is that it is highly concentrated, which means that you will not see 10 of these platforms working at the same time in any country, anywhere in the world, or finally 2 or 3 competing with each other. do the characteristic of these markets is high concentration, because when i enter this platform, i want there to be enough people on my side who can serve me, or if i am the service provider, i want there to be enough service receivers, so the characteristic is that they should have high concentration and you the balance will reach this point, but the main point is how to regulate so that we know that the companies active in this space, even with high market power

, are not able to influence the prices inappropriately. in a sense, the competition mechanism between the companies assures us. that the services we get are very competitive prices. do you believe that in this highly concentrated market, an institution should enter for pricing? i believe that there should be an institution for regulation. probably, he wants to enter in the price. i believe that the last stage of regulation is the mechanisms there is another method for regulation, which is much more effective than interfering in the price. if i can enter a sentence without an institution, tell me how it should be entered. i will give a sentence. look, when we live in an inflationary economy, the index the average prices in 2015 were 100, in march 1401, probably 100, not yet announced, 1400.

2 has not been announced yet, but when our price index has increased 11 times in a period of almost 7 and a half years, it means that the price of all goods is going up. when the price goes up, the institutions that the custodian of the price of the custodian, for example, you kept from samad khanvaran they worry about prices , that's why i want to say that part of the intervention we have in prices is because we are worried about inflation and we forget that inflation is the result of incorrect monetary policy, not the result of profit seeking by market agents in the market . remember the time when inflation was low. the price of goods cannot increase much from that balance, so the regulatory body that has entered in this case and specifically wants to intervene now, we must make sure that the concern is not the level of prices, outside of that mechanism, in principle, the increase in the general price level. when the general level of prices in this short period 11

it has become equal, it means that everything has become more expensive, which means that the yogurt that i buy has also become more expensive . i am entering a very competitive market. it should be identified that how much of the price increase that is happening is the result of the increase in the price level and how much of it is the result of monopolistic behavior or the behavior of exercising market power over companies active in the market . ok, in my opinion, it can be the competition council, but because the competition council has its tools, it has its laws and practically. according to the definition of the competition council, it means that the competition council is involved in this matter. however , what is the way to enter and how to behave is a point that i have to talk about. thank you. mr. zulfaqari, what is your opinion, and how much do you agree with mr. fatemi regarding the fact that between monopoly and competition, mr. fatemi believes that

the market is highly concentrated, which means that they do not believe in its monopoly. in the name of god. i also offer greetings, courtesy and respect to his highness. mr. doctor and dear viewers, well, if we want to talk about competitiveness or exclusivity let's talk about the market . the answer to the question of which institution is actually in charge of regulating this market is that if we clarify the issue in terms of whether the market is competitive or exclusive, we must first go to the definition of the market. what kind of market are we talking about when we want to call this market , in my opinion, is this market competitive or exclusive ? of course, some experts have a different opinion. a few weeks ago, we had a discussion on this issue. in my opinion, this market is contrary to what

some dear friends, they say that the transportation market is basically these companies that are now under the title internet taxis are the same weight. they are called names, they do not really provide transportation service , the transportation service is provided by the drivers with their own cars , they have no employment relationship or car ownership with these companies, but this market is the market where the sorting service is provided . in my opinion, this means that these companies are providing matching services to drivers and passengers on the supply side. these are my requests , passenger drivers, well, with this approach, if we see that the rest of the transport service providers are not in this market, they are defined in another market, the result is this. it is possible that this market, for example, at the level of the country, now at the level of cities and provinces

, there are other small players, but at the level of the country , there are two major players who have the majority of the market share after this. in my opinion, i agree with mr. doctor, the concentration is high, the market is considered a monopoly in a sense, well, according to the legal regulations of our country, if a market becomes a monopoly, in fact, as a rule , monopoly regulation means this point, mr. doctor. needs regulation. not if in the monopolistic market anti-competitive behavior that here it is mostly in the form of abuse of the position of the company. it needs to be investigated. we also have this issue in the competition council law. in article 58 , it is said that there is a recipe for market manipulation. in

article 62, it is said that the competition council is the authority to deal with anti-competitive procedures. we will put these two together. it is possible if there was a monopoly market, but the anti-competitive procedure did not happen in it, it is necessary that the recipe for price regulation or other things is open in it. and about what services these companies provide and which center. eu uber to

he classified the title of a transport company and said that you should be subject to transport regulations. uber said that i am a technology company. now , uber's license should be said in parentheses that uber is the same as the internet outside . up to the company that is in london, there is a dispute between uber and tif transport in london, which is basically the regulatory body of public transport in the city. although i agree with mr. doctor that we should not deal with these as a transport operator in principle , but in the definition of the market, we should not forget that a substitute product is a substitute product. the public transportation system is offering, that is, if what happens now, let's go and see if

they decide to halve the price with a campaign with an advertising program of linear taxis in tehran . will decrease, or if a subway line passes near my house , which was not there before, and now a very good subway service comes to me, the probability of me using this internet taxi service will decrease, that is, although i agree with the doctor that this is a we say that police market is a space. it is a separate market, but the goods that substitutes for this product are being offered in other market spaces, and the regulation of these separately has complications that if we say that the competition council is responsible for the regulation of internet taxis , we must be aware that the regulation of this sector must be in some way the same as the regulation of other sectors of public transport. if it is coordinated or if it can be combined in a place where it can do intelligent regulation for both parts, it means that it does not believe in this. mr. zulfiqari pointed out that they are not a transport company, they are a matching company

, they make arrangements according to mr. zulfiqari's words. let me give you a simple example. take a look at the kebab shop . we call it a market for buying and selling kebabs . the market for buying and selling kebabs can be separated . if it's cheap, i won't eat kebab anymore, i'll go get daisy. it means that what happens is that the goods are not exactly the same, but they are strongly substituted for each other. i agree that the taxi business is the business of internet taxis, it is not a business that we should expect transport companies to adjust, but only at the place of adjustment. gary we should be aware that there are competitors in other markets and this regulation should be done in coordination with each other. now the reality is that i am not very good at solving political lawsuits. now

, i don't want to get into this issue because of the taxi competition council of the municipality of each city, but the reality is this. internet taxis are now providing transportation services, so it's actually a separate space and a political space, intercity transportation , of course, with city taxis, and you, if the mayor is the regulator, seem to have forgotten about transportation because these are innovative companies. must pay attention to the type the innovativeness and technological nature of these companies should be taken into consideration. it may be necessary for us to establish a new regulatory body for them, which can recognize all these different modes . the correct point of the doctor's statement is that every market that wants to be regulated has a series of markets related to it. and what i am saying is that this is not a transportation market, not that

there is no transportation here. in the transportation market , the suppliers are the drivers, the demanders are the passengers. yes, this market exists, but it is extremely complex, that is, there are a large number of suppliers , a large number of demanders, and basically there is no concentration in this market . i do, but in the market of matching, in fact , the supply side is very limited and concentrated here , so we if. if we want to enter into the issue of price , the market price is actually the driver, the passenger, that is the fare rate, the market price is actually the commission rate.

we had a platform, we had a platform where the passenger and the driver would talk about the price, they would reach an agreement and they would argue with each other that it was the freest market possible . if he wants to take from these , he should have come in. i will give you a platform to fight with each other. now, my commission is a fixed percentage of the price of a ton, and now this commission is in this market. for now, there is a platform that is in this space the platform that tries to match the owner of the cargo with the driver who is trying to move the goods works. this is exactly in the discussion of the regulatory method. it is possible that there is a candidate in which the so-called abuse of a dominant position

can happen, so there must be a regulatory body. monitor this carefully so that the rights of no one around the market, be it drivers, passengers or the company itself, are actually not lost. mr. fatemeh pointed out that regulation in the first place, they don't see it in the price . how do you do it? it's the right thing , because the price plays a very key role in the market settlement , and it's one of the very basic sensitive parameters in the economy. the rule is that as much as possible, even in exclusive cases, the price should not interfere, which means that now, when the competition regulatory bodies want to regulate in the monopoly markets , they do not look at the price first, they go first to, for example , non-price guidelines, such as discussing the terms of access to

the market, discussing the quantity, even if they can, for example , guarantee the amount of supply. they don't go to the price when the rest of the tools don't work, they go to the price , i agree with this issue, but is the solution the current situation that has created complaints in these markets ? we ourselves are witnesses and we hear from others that there is a debate about whether these were really anti-competitive procedures or not . this is a place of doubt. i would like to add one point . look here, mr. doctor. i completely agree with this , but there is one thing in my opinion. the first thing i would like to tell you is that i myself have been a member of the competition council for 6 years i was there from 1994 to 1400, so if i criticize you, i am criticizing myself and other

regulatory institutions . but look at the reality. this is that when we only have a hammer in our toolbox , we see all the problems as nails, that is, when we have a competitive council, we have a grievance , we have a taxi driver, we have a municipality, and they all consider themselves the owners of problems. in this story, when their only tool is the hammer, all your problems they see nails, we remember for many years in the space of city taxis, all taxi operators and all municipalities in the country have worked hard. i want to say that the experience of failing to intervene in the price between two parties who want to exchange, we have in this market especially severely and abundantly, so the point of the first point is now what you are saying. if you say that this tool is not useful for me, what tool is useful, i will come to the second point, the fact is that these

companies are companies that are based on technology . the regulatory body should be more armed than the companies themselves now, if we are talking about uber, it is now . in your opinion, no, no, look. if we are talking about uber, now its organization is more detailed than any regulatory body in the world, that is, uber operates in several 10 countries in the world. there are many cities. it works, usually the municipalities want to regulate them. it's not like before when tehran taxi drivers wanted a series of taxis separate from each other, for example , they wanted 10,000 to 20,000 to 30,000 taxis, what to do in tehran . we are currently talking to a company that operates in dozens of cities at the same time the country is working, i hope the space will go in a direction that will go to you

, it will work in other places too, i mean outside of iran, i mean, i want to say that these companies are technological in nature. let's remember one time, the police of the country said, sir, the cars that are on the roads are me. i can't adjust this with my previous fleet, i have to have the latest model benz, which is the reality now. that our regulatory body, in terms of being armed with artificial intelligence technology, should be able to try to at least step by step the companies that work in this field to be able to regulate them if the internet taxi company claims that i have a smart engine, and this smart engine , no matter how much it costs, is trying to maximize the number of matches that happen, or to reach my target number, for example, the regulator must be able to have an engine. to test that smart engine before even going inside it to see what happens, because that internal mechanism may

be the technical knowledge of that company, it may not want to provide us with everything, but those black boxes , we must have a tool to be able to test them. unfortunately, our problem is that our gram is set to they are not armed with tools appropriate to the market that they want to regulate, because they do not bring us to the old approaches. the old approaches are likely to fail in this market. the same thing happened that i am in a hurry to buy the option. in your opinion, this regulatory body should be in the price. should the drivers' commission come in or not? basically , i want to say this. the last thing. if i wanted to regulate this, the first thing that would happen would be to make sure that the few companies that are competing with each other do not collude. the second point is the process of changing prices in hours and days i used to monitor the origin and origin of different destinations and in different cities. i saw that where the share

is 10%, where the share is 90%, where the share is 30 , 70, where the price is 50, the mechanism is working in the same way, or the one who the dominant company has the possibility to pressure the price, and another point that is very, very important is that now these platforms that mr. doctor commands are not just internet taxis anymore. that 's why working in one space may bring out excess, which is in another one the business lines that are working will cost money and actually by keeping the price low, one of the things , for example, an internet taxi, through a surplus somewhere. for example, jersey, restaurant and food are available . in fact, what happens is that it is difficult for me to enter a new actor and compete for a new actor.

this price war mechanism may even benefit the consumer. the point is that we don't know exactly what the current situation is. do we have 2 companies that collude with each other and keep the prices high? we have two companies that price keeping them very, very low until the new entry does not happen, or we have two companies that are competing with each other under normal conditions, and if a company with newer technology and better technology comes, it can enter the market and compete, mr. zulfiqari , your opinion is correct. i disagree with your service regarding the price interference issue . now, it is a big problem because the studies that have been done in this field are similar to the ones discussed in the world, and now you believe that this market is considered a monopoly market.

now, the entry of the regulatory body, regardless of which body it is, for example, the competition council that you mentioned, should come and first price the resident , or according to the formula mentioned by mr. fatemi, i said, entering the price of the price is the last tool, that is, what is it? bottom. it is necessary to use other tools, but now the explanation i want to give is this. regarding that commission rate, it shows at least evidence that there is not much in fact an unconventional number now, although, well, when we are on the demand side, especially drivers . they believe that mr. is high, which means the things you say for example, if they say 15, sir , this 15 is too high, why? but when we want to comment on whether this is unconventional or not, we have to look at all the cases, after all, the costs of the service that that

company has. there is all this talk about technology that has a cost, and if we take all of this into account , it seems that it is not high, but now what has become a bit more common is the issue of fares, why is the issue of regulation brought up here again ? the market is a mixed market, which means that the number of suppliers and buyers is very large, but because as the doctor rightly pointed out, these are not negotiable. it means that we never bargain with each other as passengers or drivers . the system that the companies claim is actually somehow doing this bargaining in an artificial intelligence mechanism , that mechanism actually dictates a price to us and we either accept it now or not. we go on a trip or we don't accept it, that system will recalculate again. well, for now

, the fight is over the one that, for example, has passed. because these companies that dominate the market in the market actually carry also, because the mechanism of price negotiation is in their hands, they have a power , they have a dominant position from this point of view, although they do not directly provide the transportation service, but in the end, the price is determined under their hands, to put it simply, these are possible there is an abuse of this, when these companies themselves are against the rate increase, that is , when you say 15% of the commission , the fare goes up in rush conditions, it goes up in rainy weather at night, it goes up in difficult conditions. it also brings more benefits, so in my opinion, the first step is to adjust this.

the spatial dimension and the temporal dimension are mentioned, that is, we say that in this market there are a lot of drivers and passengers in general, this is true, but in certain spatial and temporal situations , a monopoly is also created in this market, that is, why, for example , i am discussing the issue of rush option. why is it possible, for example, to increase the rate at night in rainy weather, in cases where there are few drivers, then the drivers have an advantage because there are few of them .

creates for those drivers, this is the problem now it is obvious and the point of complaint is that why basically the mechanism is that in certain situations the rate goes up, here the companies themselves claim that mr. doctor also pointed out that it is their claim, they say sir , our goal is to maximize the number of tables and our mechanism it determines the rate so that it is not too high so that passengers do not come , and it is not too low that drivers do not come. but this is actually the exclusive power that is created for drivers in specific time and place situations, which causes this rate to rise. whether that rate is an unconventional rate at that time or not, this should also be checked. let's come and talk. if we agree , let's go and see a report together . mr.

mohammad khalaj, ceo of snap. in internet taxis, everything is transparent for the passenger and the driver. this transparency has many advantages that cannot be easily achieved in the traditional market. prescriptive pricing policy is undoubtedly the death of innovation. mrs. negin ansari, legal vice-president of tepsi, internet taxis cannot be considered the same as city taxis. binding taxis internet to. management in the traditional way of the municipality and taxi companies not only disrupts the performance of these businesses, but ends up at the expense of the people and passengers. mr. seyed jafar tashkari, head of the civil and transportation commission of the islamic council of tehran, the rates of internet taxis during peak traffic hours are very high