[000:00:00;00] we are at your service with another debate. these days, you know, the number of trips has increased. once again, the issue is that we subsidize airplane fuel. let's bring it up or not and we want it in this debate. let me give you some statistics. the statistics center has announced that we subsidize airplane fuel for about 35 thousand billion tomans a year. airplane fuel is 600 liters . critics of the current situation say that we are allocating a subsidy to a part of the society that is using air travel. if you are interested in this discussion

, please follow us to the bottom. . in the above debate, here in our studio, mr. bayat, the former advisor to the head of the civil aviation organization, is present, as well as mr. sahib hanar, an expert in the field of energy, while saying hello to both guests of the program, i would like to allow mr. sahib hanar to start, and this question, which is basically the reason for the opposition you pay the plane fuel subsidy from where does it come in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, i offer my greetings and politeness to you and the viewers , dear guests, and i wish you the acceptance of the theater and the prayers of my friends. the issue we

have now is about a drop from the door. we are talking about 45 million liters of airplane fuel per day in the country . compare this with the more than 1000 million liters of fuel we burn per day in the country, which is about 800 million cubic meters, which is equivalent to 800 millions of liters of fuel is a source of gas , we consume about 200 million liters of gasoline and gas per day, as

you can see, energy is the same thing in many countries. for example, look at russia , it exports the same amount of gas to europe as an atomic bomb, it worked for it in the ukraine war, as you have observed, and i am referring to your presence or qatar, for example, in this story of gaza. qatar should be the first accused because it is a supporter of the brotherhood. muslims and friends of hamas, the first supporter is not iran, but all the accusing fingers in the media and public opinion that follow in the world iran is coming to qatar, no one is talking to qatar , why are you raising your eyebrows, because it is the world's first exporter , no one can joke with qatar, but we have the same amount of energy as i said

, we have the same amount of gas that russia exports to europe. the gas that china consumed with one billion and 400 dinars, the million people that consumed it is us . we are consuming all the gas that china is consuming , so the product that should be a strategic product should be strategic and economic. we have come to transform it . we made it a support product and the government to cover up the weaknesses and inefficiencies the prosperity he has had has used energy to turn his back on this. arguably, but from whom is this support? supporting the oppressed or the privileged? if we look at the statistics, we can see, for example, in the discussion of gasoline , the 10th decile has 17 and a half times more beneficiaries of gasoline subsidies than the first decile. in gas and electricity, 3 times in airplane fuel, 4% of the country's people use air travel, and we are paying a heavy subsidy here, so our support is also the support

of the target. it is not fair and correct that we are supporting the prosperous and not the disadvantaged. another issue that i must raise first is that what are we basically fighting for? we have to support and subsidize this product. from a scientific point of view, in the discussion of economics, subsidies should be given to goods and services whose marginal social benefit is higher than the marginal private benefit . if the party is not so willing to spend money on education, spend money on dairy products, and i invite you to discuss this kind of discussion, but

the social benefits are very high. if it is more than his personal interests , the government should give subsidies here , because if it does not, the allocation of resources to these goods will be less than the optimal amount. for example, we have the example of pouring gasoline , we also have the example of airplane fuel . we support the wealthy more than the most oppressed. we are at their service from a specialized position they look at the matter themselves, their command is respectable for us, and of course, in some cases , they say quite rightly that the so-called economy in the field of energy

is an important matter, but one point that we believe in the field of aviation is based on the fact that we can let's create it, first of all, these national resources should be available to the public and distributed to the people , and what was overflowing would naturally be commercialized and help our economy . in the airplane fuel department, they use more methods, but in general terms that energy is strategic for development. but transportation is not strategic for development. we are talking about development infrastructure, of course , energy is one of the most important items

. air transportation, i always had this in different meetings . nowadays, it is like water for life because of speed because of time. the opportunity cost that you mentioned , a large part of this opportunity cost is in the field of transportation. air is being managed in the world, of course , they look at it as an engine, first of all , the government must understand that air transportation is no longer a luxury item, for example, a thought that they have been on this issue for a long time, and perhaps they only say that the so-called prosperous society uses it, it becomes a luxury. today, you should know that almost 60-65% of the air transport in the country has a mission. they move from the statistics of 17 million passengers don in this means that the so-called important part of the now private and sovereign government institutions

use air transportation as a means of travel because of a mission . in my previous meeting, i mentioned that we in 1305, until now, during these 96 7 years, 3,000 people and less than 2,700 people died in an accident with an iranian-registered civilian plane. the world has moved towards using air transportation as a tool to create a bridge between regional development and equal development between regions, now this is the place. what is the way of energy in this development? our discussion in this meeting is about when we should understand the so-called importance of this subsidy, when we should reduce this subsidy.

it's not ours, it's not from our point of view, it's not from our friends' point of view, now they are pointing out that there is a subsidy and that there is a subsidy, and that it is being consumed and it can be productive, it can be used as a capital for the country, but for benefits. this is the first step of our conversation so far. in the next stage , the first part of our conversation will be in the next parts, god willing. thank you, mr. sahib, for your art . when the fuel is used up , they consider the government, for example, the cost of each liter of airplane fuel is about 600 tomans. so imam does not give any subsidy, we did not talk

now. the product against the balance and power of society, economic power. the society that can manage this ability in some way, this means that if , from our point of view, if the price of a product is assumed to be 1000 tomans, 500 tomans, i have an airline , i will give 500 tomans, the government will help, the government will come from me. or from the capacity of the country to generate income as a business perspective . we believe that this principle is not correct because it can be quickly said that it is against the principle of fairness, including the fundamental principles of human rights, which are among the duties of the government. create a situation so that people don't bother

, of course, if there is a surplus, of course , he can commercialize it. this is of course their time. now, in the following, you want me to leave. the second issue is that when we say subsidy, you say that we are talking about opportunity cost. it was mentioned that, sir , this fuel has a value. last year, 217,000 hours of flight were done in the country, approximately

600,000. in my opinion, it is not possible in these conditions, in the political conditions, the conditions in which international relations are limited , the conditions in which we are in an economic war, in the economic war , the institutions that, including our institution, are against the embargo is direct and there are other cases. this is the second case, the value of which is 27,000 tomans in the global average value. now, the value in the persian gulf fab is 66 cents, approximately the rate announced by the refining and broadcasting company. that is, we pay the hourly work that we have now

, for example, let's say that the hourly rate we have is 15 dollars, we compare its value, but we don't see the ability . mr. safarmayid, i am pleased to meet you, so it is clear that you you say that the cost of the airplane fuel is the same amount that we have now . no, for example, i paid a thousand tomans. no , i said that i don't know about it. no one knows what's going on. it should be what you said that the government wants to pay and support in cash. an implicit or implied or hidden subsidy or opportunity cost or disinterest, whatever you call it, it means that the government, as a representative of 85 million people, can actually do this.

he sells energy resources at a higher price and spends this on the people, but he has given up on this and is giving it to a part at a lower price. this is a point. after all, we don't have any conflict or problem with the aviation and tourism industry. we just happen to say that our target community should be travelers who are actually using these resources. why is a traveler who is going abroad now? we have to give him a thousand dollars, actually at the rate of the second hall, and we have a subsidy of this kind. it should be put on the side that you should do the calculations now. with this free market , maybe the travel expenses of the party will be covered in this way, and on the other hand, the plane fuel that we give will have a hidden subsidy method again. has anyone come

to calculate the price elasticity of demand for plane tickets? do you think that if the price of the plane increases by 40-50% , your market size will really decrease significantly ? it shows that because the high-income groups use airplanes , especially for long distances, especially for business trips, they really demand help, and it is not a number at all compared to the price . the ceo of a company wants to travel to visit a project, and his plane ticket will cost 10 times more it doesn't count for him at all, and it doesn't count for the government mission trips that you said, this has no effect, why not somewhere else, because the government has finally obliged the other party

to go on this mission from one pocket to another, and if his plane ticket costs more than him because he is selling higher fuel, this goes from one pocket to another pocket for the government and has no effect on the trips. administrative and mission, so we have to say , let's go one step higher and talk about the whole energy. let me tell you that if you want me to calculate the plane fuel in dollars and globally, for example, you should look at my salary in a global way. also, i said that basically the possibility of selling this product is the opportunity cost that you mentioned, if, for example, here hey guys , we can't see it anywhere else, no , see. first of all, i told you about the first part, 4% of the society is using plane tickets and air travel

, and 85% of these passengers are above 30 years old , and it can be said that it is true. most of these people or a significant part of these people have incomes of approx they have dollars, they don't have a problem with their income right now, and another thing is that we have to distinguish between the labor market and our energy market. our labor market is fundamentally different from the market of the region and other countries in terms of infrastructure. we have an abundance of labor , and here the government is setting a wage floor. that salary. so that it does not go below a certain level, but in fuel and energy, on the contrary, the government is repressing and lowering the price, which means that i am completely opposed to your presence, and it is not like saying that because the government actually wants to free energy , my salary is free. the government has the salary right now

he supports that it should be high, and this is because the change of differences is actually a structure we have with the region , the rate of handing in the country is naturally low, we have this situation thanks to your presence, and by the way, it is one of the resources that can be provided to the government and spend in the budget, the construction budget, the current budget and make wages go up, this is a hidden subsidy, that is, if we want wages to go up, an income must be created for the government, and we don't know of any source except energy in our country's economy that you can calculate. we are giving 100 billion dollars of hidden subsidies, this is nowhere it is not the country's economy, the 100 billion dollars of income we are giving up means that we should have had a 2 trillion dollar tax economy, which provides us with 100 billion dollars in net and net income, which means that we have

two economies. we are giving up trillions of dollars as if hiding it with this subsidy . life for life, life for political discussions , development and other things, even though the distance between us may be 10 meters and the depth of this valley is so high that it is sanctioned. there is a bridge that can do this to establish the bridge and this bridge in such a situation is nothing but an airplane, of course, for example

, it's not just a matter of passengers, we have a lot of discussion, we have air transport today, in principle, its effect is induced in other industries that make them productive, for example , if the dairy industry, for example we have so many dairy factories in the country of dairy products if it had an airplane. and that barimon plane in terms of its cargo carrying capacity, which is an expert discussion of the aviation sector, has nothing to do with the fuel sector at all , has nothing to do with the energy position, the size of the plane was such that its flight frequency could be determined by the coefficient if it is occupied daily, we would export and fly to the target markets and borders, which would export this product, whose quality and value depend on time, in a short time. naturally, the field of development of our foreign exports could be productive here, its effect on the economy of the so-called

economic enterprise or industrial dairy enterprise . we could do anything in the field of foreign exchange. we produce at a cost of 5 dollars, we sell it for 70 dollars , you are not in any other industry.

another industry , the capital of the country's industry, has about 3 thousand industrial units, 90% of these units are located there. their offices are in tehran , on the other side, in order to visit his factory for an hour, he has to go to his factory for an hour, so to speak, he has to go here for 3 hours, visit his office for an hour, or have a meeting with his archivist, his officials , and return in 3 hours . it takes 8 hours for the capital of the country to work for 1 hour, and the possibility of destroying this capital

due to the road infrastructure we have taken to take an airplane for this type of route, because we have a wrong strategy in the aviation industry. we came by bus for the route where we need a van or a minibus. this is our own mistake. now in this matter, we ourselves believe that the support should be removed. at some point in the future , the starting point will be freed from that side. yes , naturally, it will be freed. the market determines whether he is my customer or not . the market will not come with the price that i offer, so i have to lower my price . dynamic pricing is in the middle. now, in this situation, we say that, sir, we will reach it when it is possible for us to reduce our fuel consumption. let's do it, because the rate is free, we can do this one let's influence our quality

with the 25,30,35,000 sources that the government is supporting now, and you said to bring support in this sector, in the impact of tourism, i can turn it into a relatively young aircraft, which is of quality quality. i can increase the power of the country's air transport economy in the current situation , an airline should now in such a situation that it is in the fist and it is sanctioned by the united states and so on . we have come this way. we say accept it, i believe it myself in such a situation, we should, so to speak, if we want to improve the quality of our air transportation , we should develop our businesses , we should not look at the business only from the airline, but we should look at other businesses, especially in the supply chain of a thousand other things. now is not the time, when we have to do this when those conditions and possibilities exist in the international space, in the space of finance, in the space

of repair of parts, width, and 10 other things . secondly, economic power. society, forgive me , let it be done in such a way that we don't say 4, 4, and beat all 4. in this matter, sir, you have 4, you are using them, and you have money, why are you using 40d? why don't we look at this, because a traveler who is in iranshahr, zahedan, zabul, and the so-called sistan , and now the cities far away from bandar arab and dozens of other cities , how can he reach tehran if we have a one-dimensional dependence on the capital, only if you other slots, transportation slots, the possibility of moving to another place. we let it be that our railways are developed, our roads are developed , the side is in pain, it cannot reach tehran except by plane, then let's say 5 million, 4 million, 3 million . wyatt, now is not the time do you think it's time for us to do this liberalization from your point of view, and

basically what do you think oil can be for consumers and government airlines ? from above , the story of the space becomes clearer. we produce one and a half billion barrels of oil a year, and we calculate about 360,360 billion cubic meters of gas with a minimal pricing, which means 230 billion dollars a year. we should earn from this place. 2. we counted the number again and divided it into the world army

. here's the problem. look at the billion dollars a year. you divide it by 80 millions of people, we made a calculation, which means that a 100-meter house or a 50-meter apartment in tehran can be prepared for each family of five people within 4 years. we should give him a 100-meter house every 8 years, or a 300-meter house every 8 years in the city, so why doesn't this come to the people's table? why don't we see that a grant is spent on current and construction expenses of the government ? the same 35 tons that we have now, we will spend here on airplane fuel, assuming that it is an industry

don't have a problem with the plane, we will take it from the passengers without asking. shun should come down. well, this 35 hemat means 3 tehran pardis subways, which means maybe one mehr pardis residence every year. well, that's why maybe the elite class who are using this plane are also satisfied that we have 3 tehran pardis subways for the country every year. let's create or, as friends say, develop the airline, but the ticket should be free and the fuel should be free. another point is that they say that someone is sick. it needs training , it needs travel, it is necessary, well, these can be managed by you, anyone who is sick and necessary, for example, from bandabbas comes from zahedan to tehran, with the approval of one or two doctors, the government gives him a subsidy. he says, "sir , you are creating a bureaucracy. mr. doctor , what are you talking about? go get a letter, get it now . you can confirm it. you can see that this is the solution we are proposing. this is the way the world is, of course." the world has the same experience in the united states

. what is the form? it gives independent subsidies . it has defined a program under the name of the essential program in the united states to fa, which is now the governing body of its aviation. there are a number of places that it now wants to stimulate the airlines to communicate. it is established i believe that if all this is removed, the friends will be removed, the price will be freed. in order to support a series of routes, the government should naturally go to the direction of the country's regulatory duties in the direction of development. please forgive me in any way. you can see that this air travel cost is in the household budget.