in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings and have a good time, dear viewers. we are proud to serve you with another higher program . well, one of the institutions and service centers that we may directly or indirectly work with are kindergartens and kindergartens. as you know, kindergartens are managed by it was a welfare organization, but later, the ministry of education entered into this issue and built kindergartens, and later, various organizations and institutions based on the necessity and services they wanted for their working human forces. the body of kindergartens

doing this caused disorganization in the management of kindergartens, for this reason , it was decided to establish a national center for child education under the ministry of education, and the administration and management of kindergartens will be entrusted to this national center . and there are some opponents. today , we will debate this issue in the presence of two experts, whether the transfer of the management of kindergartens to education is right or not. please follow us. you are very welcome. well, first of all, dear guests of the program , i would like to introduce mr. seyyed mohammad ahmad reza mohammadian, a former member of the country transition committee , we are at your service and mr. seyyed ali khalighinejad

, researcher of the research institute of education, well, seni, if we want to start with which one of the dignitaries , please tell me, mr. khalighinejad, we are from mr. khalighinejad, so let's start, mr. khalighinejad, do you agree with the conditions our kindergartens have today, and in general, do you think that the conditions are good and they are in a good condition or not with the name and remembrance of god, whose remembrance and name comforts the hearts. hello , your excellency, your colleagues, dr. mohammadan, and my dear viewers i agree with the national child education and training organization for some reasons, but i find the current process and the current speed of the policies that are being implemented to be insufficient, and if this situation continues, we may lose the same achievements that we had before. how about you, mr. mohammadian ? do you consider the current conditions to be good or not, in the name

of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, i would like to offer my greetings to the honorable guest of arjunad, mr. khaleghinejad , respected colleagues and dear viewers, you see, the formation of the organization was a process that was the result of more than 20 or 30 years of action by activists in the field of children. i think we should discuss this topic tonight, the current situation. the field is not in a favorable situation, and after 30 months have passed since the establishment of the national child education and training organization, the expectations of zainhan , especially the founders of these centers, have been much higher than their previous situation. be our main tonight, please, basically , mr. khaliq nejad kindergarten.

do you consider it important in the education system of our children because many people believe that for a while it was a cultural issue that people who are working or not for some reason they can take care of their children themselves , they used to send their children to kindergartens, but now they say that even if the mother is not actually working and has nothing to do, due to the education debate, she must put her children in kindergartens for a period of time. i think the question is it is very important. you asked because behind this question , many researches have been conducted to answer this question, and in fact, these research findings show that when we invest one dollar for our preschool children, it means zero until now. 7 years in some countries, 8 years, 16 us dollars in fact, our investment will be returned . the next point is that since 1965, studies

conducted on children who live in undernourished areas, such as the headstat study or the headstarter program in the united states, show that if on fertilizer. in fact , if we do effective interventions in the field of nutrition , health, education and body, we will achieve much more. culture has changed because it was already in reality a few decades ago, for example, the 50s, 60s, even the early 1970s , in fact, the 1970s, we did not have this amount of urbanization, the spaces were open, children could play together in their neighborhood, in fact, in open spaces , but in the current environment, where urbanization has increased, there are many apartment buildings. we have almost taken away this space from our children, and children

do not have the opportunity to interact and learn from their peers to develop morally. therefore , it is very important that this area is actually looked at seriously, as it can be done from you since 2000. if you want, look at the international developments it happens, i am actually presenting two of the international reports, two of the international findings, that in some countries, if it is seen, my organization cooperates in economic development for children from zero to two years old in some countries. it has reached 60% for children who are between 0 and 2 years of age, they provide care coverage for children between 3 and 6 years of age, because the education debates are very painful, some countries reach 100, but why , what does it mean doctor means educational coverage, in fact, the educational coverage of children in kindergarten centers reached 100

it means that children between 3 and 6 years of age were actually required to attend their kindergartens or pre-primary centers. yes, in some countries , the governments apply these policies because they know that it is a type of investment and will have very good results. recently published between the years 2020 and the years actually up to 2023 that i was studying now the amount of investment from gddp to gdp. that is, if we convert this to in fact, the gp of the country published by the world bank and the report i presented recently is close to 388 billion in iran, we should

invest more than 3 billion dollars in our pre-labor field for zero to 6 years now. how much is 3 million dollars now? it means that the situation is very far from the optimal level.

in this new constitution, in fact, the government has not accepted the responsibility it should accept , and maybe this is the role of politics. if you allow me, i will change the organizers and change this decision that is very necessary let's go to mr. doctor. do you agree with mr. halenjad's words in this regard that we did not invest as much as we should have, although it seems to me that, as i said, a part of this cost may be paid by the people themselves to private kindergartens and others. they are non-profit and they pay, which means financial circulation. now, if we say that this part of education is more than what the government budgets for, i would like to tell you that at some point, the welfare organization will increase the policy or, in fact

, quantification in the development of kindergartens. the child started this fashion policy in the 80s, especially in the late 80s it was decided that at that time the coverage of preschool children by kindergartens would reach 20%. well, nearly 15 thousand kindergartens are licensed by the country's welfare organization , which may be a challenge for many centers in the field. they were working with children, but it was not a kindergarten , but i actually thought that the person we wanted to use that service was also a kindergarten . at one point, we

have 14 governmental institutions in the field of children before primary school or in the field of preschool children. finding and working, in fact , we had a kind of parallel work, along with other institutions , an institution in the form of talent search, an institution in the form of creativity, an institution in the form of a story, an institution in the form of a game, and finally, in a research that was carried out for the training conference kindergarten was conducted in the university of welfare sciences in the 90s. this reached 22 institutes and these are also active in the field of childhood in our country, but those who claim to be licensed are not more. my welfare organization is the guardian of my kindergarten. i am the guardian of a preschool where these two groups overlap in fact

, they have 5 to 6 in the first priority and 4 to 5 in the second priority. of course, sometimes i have seen some of them have both of them at all . how are they both in kindergarten and preschool? well, in the time of our well-being, we have zero to 6. we could have accepted it or in some way we said that it was bad and birth, of course, there was no end of six months. or later , at the end of 9 months, we could have admission in the 3 categories of infants, toddlers, 9 years old, until entering primary school. well, when the education department came in and said that the preschool is mine and the only authority for issuing a preschool permit is some of my friends. that having the facilities to go from education and get a license. at some point , a memorandum of understanding was actually concluded between welfare and education. that this work was done automatically from the beginning, why do you give to welfare means the welfare organization

, what is the relationship with now to nurture, educate, educate, that actually entrusting children means entrusting kindergartens to the organization, see this, mr. khali nejadam. doing research in this field , maybe they can answer better than me. before the revolution, one of the programs of the iranian women's organization was actually development. in those programs after the revolution, based on the resolution of the revolutionary council of 16, 17 of these organizations were claimed for the welfare that was intended for women and families , and the welfare organization was born from these claims. one of these claims was the iranian women's organization. due to the nature of the activities he was doing, he came to the new organization born to zizisti. the first mosque was transferred, in fact, the bylaws of kindergartens

from the time of the late dr. fayaz bakhsheh. that is, at that time , there was a two-page regulation for child care, in fact, it was compiled and acted as a criterion. in this way it continued. little agile and it increased. you insist that kindergartens were closed during the war. because of the conditions of the budget. reject at all. the people who were needed were cared for, trained , and shelters were created in those conditions, and the situation was maintained later. after the war, after the organization of non -governmental schools got a foothold, it slowly turned back, or

should we say, after the number of children actually changed more. it was taken during the third program for the development of preschool coverage in iran by the end of the third development program, it will reach 85. at one point, iran had decided to increase this coverage for the faa education for all program, which was in the third millennium program, which was actually new. at that time, this coverage was supposed to be provided by welfare and education. in the 1980s, we faced a drop in children with this goal setting and development in the middle of the work. well, what are you going to do with the existing kindergartens? well, doctor, ask me a question. briefly, if

you answer, then we will go to the service of mr. khaleqnejad. now with the situation that in fact, management and policy making handing over the kindergartens to this center, which is against the ministry of education, do you agree that if you see the continuation of my previous speech, i will come to this, in fact, if you allow me, say in the hall that if you agree that the current situation is very far from the ideal, then you disagree and your current situation we are talking about the quality of our structural factors, our kindergarten teachers, our kindergarten managers,

our kindergarten environment, the interactions that happen in our pre-school centers, our kindergartens. there was no documented evidence of the effects of these trainings, which means that we were facing a crisis of transparency. the creator of the race, my request is this. when we are bringing up, see, only you say that kindergartens were centers of the welfare organization according to the law, but what you are saying includes all the activists in the field of children in this group. i request that we actually consider this case because educators

i am working as managers, but the problem was not just the welfare organization, the problem was that the institutions that did not exist at all in this market that was created to be a trustee to carry out governance on a macro level had turned into a marget and various institutions of the ministry of different houses each came to make policies for themselves this policy is unfair because it wastes resources because we don't know. what happened to the children of this country in the past? now the children's organization can be born. this is actually the dispersion that existed in the past. mr. doctor, is this organization a regulator or a regulator or not? in fact, all this monopoly of the children is at the disposal of our center . the thing that is in its constitution will have the role of regulation and can

enter, that is, you are saying that this does not create a monopoly, that is, you had a market that had many operators, now you have collected them all and given up. i have just one more question for you. if you could answer me, if it was supposed to be organized, why was it not handed over to you, as dr. mohammadian said, that is, why did it change at all? this organization is against education. the fact that there were several actors was a little chaotic. i say, well, if someone was going to be in charge, then do it yourself. it could be asked why welfare was opposed, why welfare was opposed, welfare is not the job of educating children, if in fact in these new reports look, the important part that needs to be seriously invested now is the issue of children's education, do you agree, and because the education of a country is the work of educational policy making, it has vast experience, and this is actually our pre-primary kindergarten centers or

kindergartens or before kindergartens, these products should be mentioned in our education. and another issue that is actually being raised for me now, in addition to these issues that existed, these are disadvantaged children who did not receive pre- school education. it would become richer because, in fact, for the families who were privileged, the possibility of their children going to kindergarten has become a luxury, but while this is not the case globally, that is, perhaps in those countries with liberal economies, you can see that the amount of investment that it can be done from the non-governmental sector. 26. in fact, the average investment per 1 co in this recent oec report is 120 dollars, which is equivalent to 500 million tomans. well, but this government should actually

see this responsibility in mr. khaleghinejad. you are now pointing out that underprivileged or poor children become poorer if in the field of organization well-being was not like that in the late 80s of the rural kindergartens , i would like to introduce you to the group of kindergartens. at that time, until the last statistics , we had more than 7 thousand rural centers in the welfare of a hot judicial plan. it was implemented in rural areas. you can get a report from the ministry of health on these works, which were done especially in rural areas , from the welfare organization, but you can see what happened four years ago. 99 corona period came right after corona or the post-corona period in centers like villages. mehda, like the mehdas of the city, which belonged to the welfare state, was placed in the transition period please check, where is this help? my question is

, why is the plan of a 4-year-old qadha promise not being implemented? organization for life in the field of pre-primary school or in fact kindergarten for children and youth. before 2018, 5% of iranian children without two years of pre -primary school experience did not enter children's centers at all, and they went to the first grade, and the first grade, especially in the bilingual areas, is actually witnessing a drop in children, a drop in children's education, and children's failure. in the foundations we were the first, so that's right. in fact , the beizist organization came to that village in a very small way and gave one meal, but this large amount of our children, in fact, without any experience, without any way that their rights are actually secured and legal. those who have education rights , they have care rights, they have entered educational centers

, and now they have moved in these 3 years. have we reached the situation you are talking about , has it increased or the current situation of mahdai, who are still alive after being in the post-corona period? they are fighting because we have to witness this every day the problems that exist, one of them should announce a shutdown or temporarily shut down or stop . in your opinion, have we reached the goal we wanted to reach? my answer is no, and in fact, this organization that was formed, of course, is in its infancy, but whether my speed i said that i am very sorry that the speed of the organization is too slow and that my organization cannot work alone with the very limited budget of 160 billion tomans. you can't do anything special. this requires a national contribution for the pre-primary children of this country to be invested. why should it be invested?

because if the number of prisoners in this country is 240,000 and each prisoner is actually around 10,000,000 per year, the estimate that happened now costs about 10 million tomans. about 10 thousand billion tomans of the government. he is risking money there, he is actually for those who, if he invests in this , in our elementary school, children do not drop out of school, their emotions become strong, their social skills become strong, their knowledge becomes strong, we are with we were less involved in these crises so, in fact, the critique i have now is that we, in fact, we, or not, now i am in the position of your research, which is the policymaker, the budget program organization, in fact, the president's office itself. this will help that this actually happens in the development of early childhood in the country, mr. doctor, now he has a specific plan of affairs to discuss education and support for children or not, but

in fact, it is still the duty of taking care of the child, now that the mother either gets to her job or, for example, only in this as much as the child can see in the same space with the same games and his generation, the fact is that you as a citizen have the right to know if the educational organization and kotch has done something. how do you know that it has done something? it should be available to everyone on the website of this organization. what is the organization doing? the answer to you is no. we do not know what the organization is doing in the field of educational programs of our preschool centers. he has introduced some packages there, but the detailed explanations that give detailed reports, how much preschool coverage do we have in iran now, what is the quality of our children, what are we doing for our teachers, what are we doing to

announce it, and other things, the families say about this. educational packages for families from these packages educational and use these policies that have been put in place in this area of ​​the organization, the second part is childhood period two, which is from the beginning of four years to the end of six years or the age before entering primary school, this second period is supposed to be fully covered by the end of 1407 yes, it means that 100 children from 3 to 6 years old must undergo a process like compulsory school, but

the mandatory announcement has not yet been made. it is an official and non-compulsory course. you are not under any obligation to register your child . we say that education programs are actually developed, but in this between what we said, sir, between 1,1400 and 1407, this should reach 100. the approach and system has changed to a kind of pre-kindergarten education system , not a system that was both education and care in kindergartens, that is, we had both education and upbringing. you were looking at the child's daycare center , it was full time, what was the issue of 44 working hours a week , which means that the child is entrusted to that center for 44 hours , and the extra hours are added to that for families who need to be employed. in fact, the center could accept them now. this is not for the second period

of childhood. 22 hours or 25 hours a week he is making a plan, he says that the person should come part-time, take that training, go, go, where to go, within the family, well, if you already forgive this 15,000 center, it means insisting on the training , not taking care of the child, the originality is on the training, and no. maintenance of training, don't train now, that's right, because training comes under training . if you look at it, how many bylaws have been issued by the educational institution, one of them is the bylaw on how to establish the administration of the centers, which includes the conditions of the founders and so on, then it is being uploaded. i think he has implemented more than 35,000 licenses

, welfare licenses and licenses. the pre-school education schools themselves must now go to ayr to get a license to operate. now, how many kindergartens are active in the country ? i told you that, as far as i know, nearly 35,000 centers have actually applied for full license , but it may be more than 100. many are still in a state of indecision because their financial problems are due to problems in