stay with us until the end . be a viewer of us on the news network. thank you. people are at risk because of the challenges mentioned by the critics. on the other hand, because it is cheaper, it is more convenient and easy to access , the supporters consider this a positive thing. we want to talk about the same issue here in our studio, mr. salarian, a member of the supreme council of the medical system , i am present as an opponent of the matter that you are serving i said, and mr. hadi, an expert in the field of e-commerce, as a supporter of the topic we want to hold a debate about, hello

, hello, hello. and in no way are we against new ways of serving people and patients, and since health is a very complex and important category and life is the most basic gift of god, we must be careful that ease of access reduces quality. or, god forbid, the patients will not have such side effects the internet space, the space we have now, is an uncontrolled space that exists, given that there is no surveillance. it can create costs and

complications for patients, and therefore we are against the current form of online supply of medicine . what is the current form, it is not controlled. we have a triangle. you should consider the patient, the doctor, and the pharmacist, the drug, the doctor. none of these can be done. they should also interfere in the work , they have their own expertise. the doctor should make this happen. it means that the doctor first needs to know who he was in the real space, in the virtual space and online space, and the prescription he gave should be agreed to. that prescription means that if complications occur to the patient, the patient can follow up later.

you can ask him for advice. after that, the pharmacy that supplies this prescription should give the necessary advice to the patient regarding the medicine, and if the originality of this medicine is doubtful, if it causes complications, if it causes problems, it can be held accountable. if the internet space is in such a way that this triangle does not work properly like what is in the real space , we are definitely against it, but if a solution is formulated, that will be clear. find out which doctor came and prescribed this prescription and which pharmacy online the prescription is packaged in a package , labeled, explained, given to the patient, and creates space for consultation. you are on the same side as the opponents. he can come to work when

he doesn't take the place of this triangle. unfortunately , what is happening today is that the platform must be delivered, which means that he should come to get the medicine from a pharmacy and supply it to the patient. currently, the invoice that he gives to the patient is this platforms these platforms are not known from which pharmacy , who is the technical manager, how many people provide prescriptions per day and to how many people. if there are complications, who is responsible and other issues that we will talk about in the continuation of the conversation. thank you mr. hadi. how much do you agree with mr. salarian? in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful , i wish everyone's obedience and worship to be accepted in this blessed month. to his highness, mr. dr. salarian , and all the viewers. greetings and have a good time. and in advance of eid. i would like to congratulate you. i

think it is necessary that we first have a definition of the platform, considering that the topic of internet drug explanation is ultimately in the context of electronic platforms or e-commerce platforms, in fact, the concept of a platform. it is like this that an information technology company comes and prepares a platform and an infrastructure, and a number of suppliers of goods or services in this platform actually offer their goods and services to consumers. in fact, we are our users, including consumers and suppliers the platform of this platform exchanges with each other, and the platform is simply that infrastructure and the platform actually provides the connection between the two and the connection of the two to each other , so the platform does not want to directly interfere in the sale or in fact the relationship between the supplier and the consumer directly. now, with this definition of the platform, we must note that we

have developed e-commerce coins in various fields in recent years, at least in the last 12 years and in the last 15 years. in the field of high-quality internet taxis , intercity transportation, plane, train, and bus tickets in the areas of hotel tourism and similar areas, in the areas of cultural education, cinema, etc. , including in the areas of goods, and now , specifically, health-oriented products in the field of medicine , almost two and a half years have passed. which was actually parallel to that period which was the era of spread of corona disease, in fact , decisions were made, planning was done, and this need was actually for the lack of face-to-face visits, and that was actually the traffic and referrals, and actually the problems that occur, especially with concerns that the ministry of health itself about infectious diseases and in fact now, no matter what the corona virus wants , there will definitely be a gathering at the pharmacy and the same problems, especially now, urban traffic, etc., and so we have almost reached a conclusion that in fact this can also happen. in my opinion, it is necessary according to the slogan of the year, which

is actually the year of production with people's participation. which has constantly grown in the field. it is electronic business and this business area in what sense do we say that electronic is the most popular , from the point of view that i mentioned, first of all , the economic activists themselves, in fact, we ourselves are the suppliers in the platforms, and secondly, the investment and developments that happened in the field of the platform were completely with the private sector's investment. and by the educated and elite youth of this country, and almost all the characteristics of leadership, the most important of which is being a scientist , in fact, being popular, the issue of the elite youth, and in fact entrusting the work to the youth, and the issue of jihadi activity , and we have reached a point. that now people actually increase their welfare and their quality of life has been affected . people understand this. now, in the case of medicine, i specifically stated that with the decisions that were made in 140 and one year , in fact, about two years ago, almost this

april. ardi behesht, in fact, a resolution was drawn up in the government, and finally, in fact, the resolution was promulgated in boj 322, where article 8 of the shower note explicitly states that this is an explanatory discussion on the internet , which i read from the method of the scientific deputy of the technology department of esme ain. the letter is actually a regulation to support the production of knowledge-based and job-creating in the field of health that is to say, in a specific way, the title is knowledge-based discussion, because almost most of the platforms we are talking about are actually equipped with this feature of being knowledge-based and based on modern technology and knowledge, and are included in it. note d says that this is the decision of the government of the vice president for science and technology in cooperation with the ministry of health, medical education and

medical education in cooperation with the ministry of communication and information technology. it is just that the justice organization had announced this point that you read the interpretation of the organization. the irony was that the opinions between the doctor's device of their own year finally there is a record somewhere and there are affidavits that, in fact, this internet explanation, apart from the fact that the text of this resolution and the process of its approval are legitimate, its negotiations, well , it is completely clear to those who were in the commission meetings and know what this basis was, but in fact, this is a method of asking the deputy it has been the presidency and it has been explicitly said that this actually

includes the sale of the final consumer, but the main issue is the same point that mr. dr. salian also said, that recipe, which is actually the same criteria and framework that we have now. we demand from the dog. the field of health and specifically drug delivery platforms well, the rules are not actually written, and we are studying something that we did not do our homework at the governance level. do you think that it has not been done in the two years that have been talked about , was it an excuse or not? the reasons are really well known. well , i think that this should be answered by the officials in the ministry of health, but the main question is, if these rules have not been formulated. why is it being implemented now when there are no rules and there is a possibility of harming the people? on we don't have internet supply of medicine, how are we going to implement this without regulation? is

n't it harmful to implement and give medicine to people without regulation ? medicine is a very vital thing, it can be a deadly poison. think of a pregnant woman who has a headache and wants a medicine. order an otc drug online without a prescription and give it to him, who will tell him that this drug can be teratogenic, it can have lasting effects on your fetus and cause such complications to the family and society. therefore, if these rules are not formulated, we have no right to say now because of the prosperity of business or anything else , it endangers people's health. another point is that the explanation of its english title is distribution, if dispensation means supply, this is the explanation. if i ask the pharmaceutical factory to tell the pharmaceutical company or the pharmacy the drugs

, but the offer is that the pharmacist will take the prescription as a technical officer, explain to the patient, tell me the side effects of this, take it this way and bear the subsequent responsibilities. take it, even if we claim that this explanation is not distribution, but dispensation, which is not really its english title. i ordered online, will he give me the invoice from that pharmacy so that if i get any complications, i can go through the medical system organization to tell him why you didn't explain this medicine to me or my doctor prescribed it wrongly . and the next legal order should be preserved for me

, it is not like that, and when it is not like that, we can't just hit the water in this space. the resolution that i mentioned was in tower 3 of 1401 and his assignment was in tower 8 until august the same 1401 with the signature of the head of the justice and medicine organization , that is, the deputy minister and the head of the organization, not the deputy of the organization. neither the general manager, nor a manager, the head of the organization has written to the e-commerce development center and i have read my first permit. at that time, this resolution had not yet been announced, the minister of health himself, the current minister, mr. dr. ainullah, conducted a video interview with sound and television sedation, not an audio interview. with a different news agency and it is even interesting to mention the name of the well-known and say that this is the ministry of health after that platform complained that

you did not take any coordination or permission from us , you came to the platform that you introduced the private sector of the ministry of health plan. the minister of health has given an interview on sedav and sima news agency, and the same draft was prepared by the government , and i would like to tell you that the first permit has been issued for tower 8 with the approval of this organization. the mentioned company is a company whose ceo this company the head of one of the subordinate organizations of the ministry of health, the former head of the health insurance organization, yes , and he issued this compensation in 235, according to the license issued under number 655416 on 235, it is appropriate to order until the end, so now it is interesting that the same letter is attached, mr. dr. yes, yes, yes , this is a letter that the head of the organization is the same as the current head, because there are many changes in the organization of the ministry of health . it was the same current president who wrote a letter and introduced me to the borj panj license. it is interesting

to tell you that attached is the letter with the terms and conditions. there are 3 pages of terms and conditions. yes, to remind you, it was the year 1402, at the beginning of the year, just like now , there was a meeting in the food and drug organization in the head office of the organization. being different and having different general managers of my organization, by the way, we talked about this in that meeting. we said, "sir, you have issued a license. my friends , i can't remember the name now. they said, "yes, we have formulated the criteria . this is a company that has passed our criteria and we have given it a license. when will the criteria be determined later?" in that meeting, my friends demanded that you, sir , should communicate the rules, not to a specific company that has a branch, and this ceo is the ceo. we want to have a country and govern the world. the next day, mr. doctor, i wrote a letter myself to the chairman of the meeting

, who was the head of the organization's directorate, and i said that according to the law, you are obliged to publish and freely access information. and regulations are part of the public information that the institutions are required to publish let the food and drug organization, despite the fact that the documentation is completely clear and has issued the first license , a monopoly contrary to the approval of the ministers, i will re-read the approval, what did it say in the approval, what did it say in compliance with the principle of competition and preventing monopoly , as it is a matter of monopolies in the health sector and health is not hidden from anyone anymore. now this was my message. this letter has passed. no answer has been given so far. again, the legal vice president of the presidency sent a letter to the director of the drug field of the judicial organization, to several other managers in the legal vice president, to all the members of that meeting of the ministry of communications, the ministry of economy and administration. after everyone was there and hearing the manager himself, he said , sir, yes, this is our first pilot license and we are summarizing to publish the rules , which for your information

is clearly stated in the minutes of the meeting of the legal assistant, which i have from the minutes of the meeting of the presidential assistant. i read that more than 7 years have passed since the issuance of the first license of the ministry of justice and medicines, which was based on the words of the representative of the food and medicines organization in the meeting, so the rules have been formulated, at least the initial draft of my first permit, which they themselves said , is now interesting after this issue. follow-up was done again, that's the excuse i'm giving here it has started, for your information, mr. doctor, you have mentioned yourself. we do not translate the legal text based on the english equation . what are the laws, what are the regulations, what are the government's approvals , the presidential regulations of the tower 4, 1402, the deregulation board met again , the 6th of shahrivar, the resolution was exactly the same. from what i can read, licensed companies in the field of

internet business can work in the field of food and medicine note that it is put in quotation marks. pharmacies with valid licenses and under the supervision of the food and drug organization operate to the end consumer , they do not need to obtain a new license because the platform has obtained its license in the field of e-commerce, and the pharmacy also obtained it from the food and drug organization, not actually from the food and drug organization in the field of e-commerce. e-commerce enters, and not naturally, the field of e-commerce is in the domain of your uncle , but for your information, mr. doctor, by changing the word at any stage, it means that those who have a history of this issue are completely clear to them. after those deputy meetings, things changed once, sir the explanation is different from the offer . i have been waiting for almost 3 months. i received it from the presidential legal vice president, whose letter i am showing you now. he wrote a letter dated 117 that, sir, this explanation written is in line with the legal principles, it

is in line with the meaning of bi-to-bi . to the final consumer, who can sell the pharmacy, after this, again, other discussions, sir , this comparison means that we have one thing, mr. doctor and now, it is interesting that at any stage only friends get a deadline. for your information, this is my last sentence. in the minutes of the meeting of the legal assistant, the text that was approved in the meeting was that this work should be done immediately , because the deadline was almost a year ago, we have a favor, the head of the organization. the judge who was in the meeting went to dr. khandozi after the meeting and said, sir , give us four months. in the minutes of our meeting, the deregulation board has come for four months. it was the fourth month from tower 6, tower 10, parsa, now it's four months again. a month and a half have passed and we are still talking about the obvious mr. doctor, thank you very much, mr. salian, i want to tell you about your answer regarding distribution and distribution. yes, do you have an answer? no, look, i

am not a representative of the government. in any case , i wish these issues would be resolved as soon as possible. we are always behind technology. technology is moving forward and we want to come and formulate the rules later , the trade association is a bit against it , the trade association of pharmacists and the medical system are definitely in agreement. during the last one or two years, due to studying business, we have increased from 13 thousand pharmacies to 16 thousand. what's wrong with being able to earn and they should develop their work through the internet , but this should be done according to the rules, which unfortunately we are doing now . we have received several programs from the food and drug organization, i don't know about the economic table, i don't know, there are several programs, at least i have seen the reports myself. there are many news reports with repeated delays saying one more month, two more months , and interestingly, the minister of health himself

is speaking in a live program. where is dastran? yes, we must agree according to the approval of the ministry of communications we used to accept, sir, this decree was announced two years ago , mr. doctor , all your concerns are correct. and the medical community should not approve of these issues . e-commerce has been seen. well, those who are apparently doing their job , look at the work . it should not be done until these complete criteria have been determined. it has been seen on the internet that the drug for sedation has been ordered and received. yes, yes, it was a narcotic drug. yes, i will explain, mr. doctor. look, this should be compiled anyway, the law is characteristic of the organization.

the medical system should organize this with the help of the ministry of health and some institutions, but unfortunately there is no inter-departmental cooperation. when it is not there, we cannot speed up so much. let's say platforms, platforms, you do your work. we want four handwritings in two years. in any case, the people should not be harmed. i have a question for other people. just for example , look at that certain part of the people of our community. you , we cannot, because of the financial issues of some people , the life issues of a large number of people. in my opinion, i am mr. elder, if you allow me, i want him to say this today before you say it please, mr. salarighe , what

is your time in the countries of the region, the countries with which we compete anyway are the same as us, for example, you think about the countries around us, such as india, countries that may be one step ahead, such as japan, south korea, etc. how is it that only non-prescription drugs can be ordered in russia? the body is generally prohibited in south korea. is their internet speed lower than ours? are they behind us in terms of technology? to some extent, we feel for them from the point of view of technology . i think that yes, there is a little delay , maybe more than a little, but on the other hand , we are falling from it. now, since it has not been done, there are no rules, for now the platforms are doing their work. let's talk about a phenomenon that i think is a

very small issue . there are many issues beyond that. president's rights two or three times, only the vice president's rights have this interview now let's say a director or an irresponsible official in a corner of an organization, something called a leader, mr. education , improving the business environment, knowledge-based, popularizing the economy, just this year, repeating it several times , complaining that mr. maher improving the business environment, but nothing is happening, mr. doctor, for your apology, according to the law on the acquisition of permits, which was promulgated in 1401, the government cannot prohibit an area that has not yet been regulated.

we have to regretfully announce that the president himself was in the meeting of the government delegation, 20 ministers sat down to approve the first vice president, the scientific vice president announced. the president has sent a letter, the legal deputy has sent a letter

, the minister of communications has sent a letter, the minister has sent a letter, four people, managers in the corner of an organization, their personal opinion is that it should not be done and to keep this issue pending for 2 years. the food and drug organization is characteristic of the article 90 commission, which apparently held a meeting again the day after tomorrow and wrote a letter of reprimand, saying , "sir, we are complaining in writing to the organization for not fulfilling its legal obligations, but unfortunately , i said that we are facing a phenomenon. mr. doctor , i do not care about this issue at all." i will not tell you that i am at your service for a long time, there is no responsibility. i was devoted to your service, i still am , we were always at your service, and we believe that we must see the consumer's side as well, otherwise this growth will be a temporary process, not a continuous growth of 10 to 15 years, but where is the problem? this is where we have a decree. one day they will say that this is against the law. the government's approvals go to the parliament. there is a board there . the government's approval board declares that they are inconsistent with their laws. this is the explanation, sir.

now, what should you say in the last action? no, we are creating a system. well, this is exactly the opposite of what the leadership says. your lack of involvement, sir , should do your monitoring. well, that won't work. then , interestingly, the food and drug organization, the commission of principle 90, wrote a letter that i if i read from the letter, in fact , please forgive me, the letter is so harsh that it means mr. judiciary organization, the thief, did not do his duty according to the law . before you read the letter, a duality was also raised , the duality of health and financial benefit, that is, the health of the people versus the financial benefit, for example, segko. and now those people who are working in this field, this is the answer you say that after all the fields of platforms , now this field of health is an important field, that's why we specified that only through pharmacies, we did not write anywhere that the same permission they get from the ministry of tradition and the field of e-commerce is sufficient. it does, but no one here has said such a thing until now, but again, one of the stories in which the same thing happened to me was that friends put forward a wrong idea and illusion.

sir, outside the framework of drug dealers, no one has said such a thing until now . we were questioned, sir, you questioned yourself that you don't compile , i will also share your answer about the financial benefit. look at the platform itself and the nature of the business in general is a continuous nature. i'm sorry, no one , he doesn't do part-time, two-month, three-month work. whether the business is in the field of internet taxi, whether it is in the field of goods, whether it is in the field of medicine, business continuity . he sees and by no means he definitely welcomes the framework of duties in the joint meetings and also a program that was organized by the same radio and television station. but the problem is that when the government doesn't do its duty, there is a need after that . pay attention. when there is a need, it means the people . for example, a person whose medicine is the same as their own doctor , a person who has a chronic disease, a blood pressure medicine , blood sugar needs to be regular every month. so

why should he visit this month after month? well, is it not possible for the person who is sick to have a traffic problem, this amount of traffic, this pollution and this phenomenon that mr. bigur installed, i am telling you that the leadership gives the order , the president says, the first vice president informs, several ministers and the vice president follow up. not this only in this area, in the banking area, in the commercial area , in the commercial area, in the tax area, almost all of our country's issues are that we have a series of clear, obvious, transparent and expert issues on the table , but due to the omission and in fact the lack of action by a few managers in the lower layers remain undecided and it takes the country's time instead of us going forward in the supervisory layers, mr. doctor rightly said, let's go forward, many issues in the implementation show themselves. very well, let's go see a report , if you agree. moafghan opinions of the opponents and the issue we are debating about and with let's see and hear, we will come back , we will follow the debate, the regulations for the sale and explanation

of drugs on the internet, under the title of door-to-door drug delivery plan , are being drafted by the government, a plan that has opponents and supporters. seyed amir sayah, head of the business environment monitoring and improvement center. the experience of the past several years regarding the objections to the implementation of internet taxis is before us. just as taxi drivers could not stop internet taxis in those years, pharmacies cannot stop platforms either. food and drug organization instead of stopping the sale of drugs online regulation standing in front of this flow makes it underground and can no longer be monitored . bahman sabour, vice president of tehran pharmacists association. we have to localize the method of selling medicine online in the world, not to issue a prescription. according to the current prescription, the doctor chooses the brand name of the drug, and in this method , there

is a risk of unhealthy communication between some pharmaceutical companies, doctors, pharmacies and internet platforms. and