let's separate rome , nothing will be left in the hands of the minister of jihad, agriculture. yes, you see, of course, my point is not that we must now include the ministry of jihad with the powers of commerce. in fact, my position on the formation of the ministry of commerce is not this at all, because you, anyway, have expertise and knowledge. you have a lot in the field of agriculture, maybe it will be taken that way. i say this is the most important issue that is necessary in the formation of the ministry of commerce . the house caused it that every minister, even the highest, that is, the most powerful , in fact, the executive ministers of the government , should be put at the head of this ministry of home affairs, because this ministry of home affairs is so large that it is difficult to manage it . it is directly related to this ministry of home affairs and it manages its affairs.

this issue is a worrisome issue, how can a ministry with this amount of duties be responsible for everything? again, i have this doubt that when in the law on concentration of duties, the reason for the year is esfand, or now the notification of esfand 91 was the reason for burj bahman and its notification. in esfand, there is a third article, this article 3 actually says that the ministry of jihad is obliged to act in the import of each of the goods in paragraph a to meet domestic needs and regulate the market in such a way that our self-sufficiency in this area is improved by at least 10% annually. it has been almost 12 years now, even with the ups and downs that you mentioned , it was banned for a year, it was frozen again, it was implemented , it became operational, the operation of this article 3 for the ministry of jihad

what was in which one of these goods have we actually become self-sufficient, what are we talking about now , about the law of concentration and when we discuss the operation of article 3 of this law, how can we defend it, let's talk about it again, just before if you answer this , let me ask you a question . in your opinion, how much of this formation of the ministry of commerce is an industrial issue, how much is an agricultural issue? make agriculture much more important i say that the agricultural sector is more important than the industrial sector. i know that in this agriculture is more important than the industrial sector. they are discussing the effect of this separation on the agricultural sector. central bank, if you take commerce away from me , it is a bad thing. in my opinion, friends are

saying that this discussion of concentration law should remain because if this law of concentration is lost, we will not be able to work in the field of agriculture . let's have authority. actually, our accountability will disappear. you agree with this proposition hey, i don't see this transition as strong and solid. why , you see, when the ministry of jihad and agriculture is in charge of an issue called judicial security, it can be done by coordinating, that is, by creating coordination, not with councilors, but with the discussion of councilors. i completely agree with you, there is no issue in your this country cannot be solved by becoming a council, we all know that, wherever you want, leave an issue unresolved, we say go to the council, but the ministry of commerce is the ministry.

in fact, because i want to be responsible for judicial security , i should have the authority to trade agricultural products, at least in practice it is defensible for me. no, because now, in the years when the concentration law was implemented and it was in your hands , it was in the hands of the ministry of agricultural jihad. now, i would like to say that the ministry of jihad may not be able to defend itself in the field of judicial security, mr. sedagar . there was a discussion about the performance of the ministry of home affairs during the period when the law of concentration was in place, and a discussion about coordination and council, which you mentioned. let me do it, and then i will present them to you in relation to that desirable model we are looking for a discussion. we say that we should go towards people-based governance in the agricultural sector, as well as natural resources in this people-based governance. we

have production units which, depending on our economic, climatic and social conditions , are usually small family units. that they can grow a little bigger in the same family size , but this growth never means that they can handle all their production chain in one unit. complete, so these should be organized together in a village, all the farmers who work in the same guild have their own production , they organize together, in their organization they complete the chain , that is, those parts of the chain that are in that unit . which they could not do alone , be it before or after in the chain, express this in that organization, do this at the level of the production unit and at the farm level.

we should have provincial and in fact nationwide unions at the national level, and these are really low let it form upward, not the current formations that we can say from the 40s in a top-down and hands-on manner. and the government and it is built according to the order, not in such a way that it is really formed from below, how the organization can be formed from below is a detailed discussion. we can talk about it. now, if we reach the national union that is really formed from the bottom up, it can regulate the market , it can provide the inputs , it can provide the animal feed inputs. it can provide the agricultural inputs, seeds, fertilizers, pesticides, it can regulate the fruits on eid night, it can regulate the price of chicken in the holy month, and all the things that we directly expect from the government , this is what everyone believes, at least everyone says that it is good. it should be like this, but we had less mechanism for it. the issue is that we

need a set of policies and laws to be able to achieve this. none of these works alone , but one of the essentials is the integrity of the policy chain. another one of the tools of entrusting the work to the organizations is, as you said, the discussion of the law in fact concentration in periods of reduced and increased suspended and re-implemented we have another law, the law on increasing the utilization of the agricultural and natural resources sector , approved for the year 2009, in its sixth article, it clearly states that the duties of the government are the duties of its administration regarding the executive actions of purchases. guaranteed preparation and explanation of all production inputs, implementation measures , purchasing, warehousing, explanation. and in short , to leave a series of other things to the organizations , he said again in his note that until the organizations are able to do this , the government should support them. this law has been suspended since 2009.

we can talk about many other parts of this increase law, but specifically about the point that mr. hassan khani mentioned and the question that until now, for example, in the few years that the concentration law has been in the hands of the ministry, all these powers are in the hands of the ministry. jihad is agriculture and as you say in one place. it has been focused, what has happened to take from it, for example, it has not been like before, what is going to happen, or where is the problem of production , our opinion is that we had to follow a certain path in order to reach the governance mechanism of the people from below. a popular production structure we have taken a series of steps in the last one or two decades , in the last 15 years. a great deal of what we have achieved so far will be lost in order to reach that destination, that is , i agree that the current situation is not at all defensible in that sense, and in fact, the performance that exists in the existing structure makes our work difficult. in order to defend the idea, in any case

, we cannot fall short of the principle of this idea, which should be focused, the work should be entrusted to the organizations, but the discussion this is that if the ministry of commerce is formed and the important arms of the ministry of agricultural jihad in commercial discussions are taken away from it, i am not looking for the arms to say that they will once again express ownership of the support company and the company, in fact , the state-owned commercial company and the rural cooperative organization. these people should regulate the market by themselves , no, it should be left to the organizations, but if policy is taken, in fact, we have come back from the halfway point, which means that the hope of being able to reach that destination is lost, let me open a point. i did not forget to tell you here the things that my friends have raised, and by the way , you yourself said at the beginning of the conversation that the formation of the ministry of commerce will lead to an increase in imports. this is really what i said by quoting experts. if our ministry

actually has an oil ministry now, it is true that if a gas ministry is established in the country, for example, it will lead to an increase in gas imports or lead to there will be a change in the export and import of gas. if it happens, you must tell me with which evidence to see. we have import and export statistics in our country. we do it in different years. in one year , wheat may be imported 3 times as much as in the previous year, and in the next year , nothing at all is imported. in fact, in some way , the price of mobile phones may increase, we may have a decrease in imports , we may have a ban on a part of a group of mobile phones in a year, and we may not have imports. they say that the ministry of commerce is equivalent to an increase in imports. where did this proposition come from? if someone said,

what is the evidence he said? it is really very strange . he asks everyone. he only says this part. if the ministry of commerce forms the ministry of commerce, it means the ministry of imports . we have an agricultural policy, we have a trade policy, we have restrictions on the production sector in the country, we have the issue of sanctions , where do you say this? it is very true please tell me, and the fact that there is hesitation in the decision to come once again to agree , to agree again, to agree again, since 1280, from the decade of the thousand, that is, more than 120 years ago, until now, we have been involved in the separation and maintenance of the ministry of commerce, industry

and national economy, and i do not know these things. we are and these things have happened 6 or 7 times, so this point is absolutely correct that hesitation in this way in this way will destroy even the few achievements. argument with logic if we reach. and if we insist, we will be the way and let's not see it change again, let's not touch it, let's not come every year , let's say, well, let's not come to every parliament, let's say, well , now there is some division, now let's claim it, let's see what happens, we'll say it again in 4 years, well, now i've claimed, we're a little tired, let's change the situation and see what happens. no, let's see what happens , it will ruin the work, and we are with you , this is my offer, in summary , this is your offer.

give me a report, tell me, sir, what article 3 of this law says if the ministry of jihad controls the commercial sector , it will lead to the entry of non-governmental organizations , it will lead to the improvement of the self-sufficiency factor, you see, we have no compromises in the field of self-sufficiency death rate, this issue was two or three years ago, maybe it has changed a bit now. ok, 133, but the coefficient of self-sufficiency in poultry, which is 90% of chicken products, means 90% of chicken production institutions, our self-sufficiency is 15% , in fact, we do not have self-sufficiency in the field of chicken , we have a strong dependence, as soon as the currency price fluctuates, our chicken market is turbulent in the first step. we may have problems with this performance article 3: give us a report that you are satisfied with. we will be happy to help so that the same conditions remain and we will give up our words

. thank you mr. sodegar. i told you that the performance of the ministry of agriculture in these years when the concentration law was implemented in this sector was not always defensible. this gives a blow to the path that we have to take to reach that ideal situation, but my opinion is that if we have come a part of the way , in fact, the executive officials are also in the same part of the way. not being able to do the work or finally not understanding and not doing it from the path we have taken, the basic laws that have been good during this time, the law actually increased the productivity of the concentration law, and the things that have been good so far have been reversed from here . we don't have any achievements in any of these areas, but on the other hand, we can understand this very easily, for example, one of the debates that is seriously discussed for us now. the implementation of the policies of the killed model, the same discussion that you are talking about is actually animal feed and in fact

the discussion of chicken seeds, well, one part of course, we know the chicken seed that we have now is available in the existing style of our chicken farms and in the diet that is common in the country, a large part depends on the seeds that are rich in water, and basically the production of these is only in countries that are rich in water , but if we want to change even the ration of chicken feed, we should go to species that meet the conditions. our climate is compatible, what should we do? we have to implement a uniform cultivation model policy . in the policy of the uniform cultivation model, we must see our water, see our climate, see the needs of the country, the ration of the country's poultry farms. let's see and see the import and export of chicken dung . we can arrange all of this together. if the importer, for example, the ministry of commerce is separate from the ministry of agriculture , imports soybeans and grains, does the ministry of agriculture basically have a demand in the country ? poultry farms are there to produce domestic manure for them and to

implement cultivation model policies for them . ok , so that we can do the work, while there is another important issue that exists in this area , forgive the challenge, the accounting challenge, see now in the parliament. our situation is at least in the field of agricultural jihad, that is , in the field of the entire production chain up to the food trade . honorable parliament , its duty is clear. it is clear which ministry he is siding with and which minister he should criticize , but we have seen this in the years when we did not have the concentration law , there was a back-and-forth between the ministries and the house of representatives. he did not do his job properly, he is doing business

he said that no, we have a shortage problem, and that's why the price has become expensive and the representatives are also confused . in a sense , what i am saying makes the work difficult for the ministry of jihad and agriculture. how many cases or problems that arise, the minister of jihad agriculture will change his position. is it a parliament ? let me ask you this. i want to ask mr. hassan khani . think that tomorrow, for example, the ministry of commerce will be formed and all these powers that we are talking about will be transferred to this ministry. as an expert, you are against this practice, what will happen to your fellow field? agriculture is also the field of your presence, that the industry will fall on the ground, what is happening now , i think it will only make the administrative processes inside the ministry of jihad difficult, so maybe in practice nothing will happen in the current situation, but you will move towards that desired situation. we will definitely have challenges, that is, i

know very well that in the current state of our public administration structure, we can hope that in the situation where we have multiple goals, we will be able to manage several home ministries in such a coordinated way, so i want to i can say that maybe in the current situation as well we cannot say at all that if trade is separated , the situation, for example, the price of inputs, the price of fruit, etc. no, i don't know

. for example, meat will change like this, or something like this will happen in the field of automobile industry. what do you think? i used an example and i said that this issue of separation and integration is like a hot potato issue. in fact, this is think of market regulation as a hot potato in short, you take coal from below , you burn it, you burn it, you can't do it, you give it up, while the problem is that you shouldn't take it directly, the problem is that the government wants to solve the issue of market regulation by merging and separating it solve it, i say now, if the separation takes place , you know that nothing meaningful will happen at the people's table. if it happens, there will be obvious tensions caused by the change of management. the issue is that the regulation of the market should be done organizations for this, we need a series of policies

, among these policies is the focus between production and trade. there is an inherent conflict of interest. everyone knows that the one whose job is trade likes to import and get his commission, the one who is a producer does not like it. if there is an import , increase the price of wheat, it will be more expensive to buy, this is always a conflict, i am the ruler, and i have to resolve this conflict for the benefit of the people's welfare. a mechanism means what mechanism should i design in addition to the budget should be saved, the budget should be saved and savings should be made , the welfare of the people should be maximized , the producer should not be harmed, and the merchant should not be thrown out of the market , now with his legitimate profit, with his legitimate conditions, and not in the current form of profiteering and the operations of speculative traders. hoarding and these

stories, this is the main problem here , we have 8 minutes, four minutes to sum up your order, then i will give you four minutes, and then i will ask you to answer an issue in the rome conflict . yes, yes, put it in the conflict . i will come to this conflict later how defensible is the performance of the ministry of home affairs in this area, in different periods in the cases you mentioned, it must be the same. by the way , i say let the responsibility be concentrated in one place so that we can calculate. i said that we will reach somewhere. that the government itself changes its minister before the parliament is attacked and criticized . if this happened easily, if there was no concentration of duties , forgive me , it should have been changed much earlier. agriculture becomes a hot seat that no one wants anymore

he can sit in the right way and the person who sits must be able to be responsible for all of this chain , he will not have the opportunity to actually pass the issues and blame other ministries. i also feel the same about that situation. what you said about the position , i will repeat again, in the situation of the ministry of position, well , maybe it was the same way that he envisioned product groups and made a separation in different industries. we also had it in our history. several home ministries the establishment of the industry together became a claim until the ministry of industry and then formed the claim of the ministry of samto . with this chain view, it means, in fact, looking at the chain of governance policy, if there is going to be a separation, it should happen with a different cut, that is

, in fact, this bill that has now gone to the parliament should make this cut based on the separation of production from let's do business, come on, let's cut it in a different way , let's focus on product groups, in each product group, the commercial production will be together, so that by chance that conflict of interest can be managed. you said that conflict of interest should be avoided. the producer is looking for his own profit, and the ruler must be able to adjust this , in order to be able to adjust this , he needs tools, he needs to be able to enter the entire chain, speak his mind, not in an entrepreneurial way . yes, this is my opinion. there is one minute of your time left. if there is anything left, i think the most important issue is the governance system of the people based on agriculture.

but the important thing is that actually the sad part. unfortunately, this is never the case in our governments there was no look, which means that the governments always did not go towards this case because of the emergency they felt and the weakness in the government management structure, and hey, we postponed this until tomorrow, and this makes the work harder day by day, and we we are in a situation where we expect the government to regulate the market, and now we are discussing whether this part of the government should do this or that part of the government , while this issue is fundamentally wrong. there are at least 6 kinds of problems in establishing the ministry of commerce and there is opposition to the establishment of the ministry of commerce

. let's review these six issues together very quickly one issue is the production, whether the ministry of commerce should merge , the issue of production is the main issue , production should be strengthened, that is, every decision we make should be aimed at strengthening production. we say that the ministry of commerce should be separated , it does not mean that it is in favor of imports, it means that business affairs should be focused in such a way that production is strengthened. the second issue is the issue of chain distribution. the explanation should be clear so that we do not see and feel a part of the chain. a large part of people's money, importers' money, producers' money , is being distributed outside the network. it is a serious damage, especially for a country that has 90 million people and is under embargo. the third issue is the discussion of trade and the special issue of currency allocation.

this year, it is said that if this is the case, it has been very successful. it is said that the bread project has saved at least 500 million euros in wheat imports. if this is the case, they really shouldn't be hurt. the basic product is our achilles' heel in this situation, the fourth issue is the discussion of marketing and market regulation and pricing, and in fact, those conflicts and frictions in this issue. there is a fifth problem, the problem of self-sufficiency, article 3 of the law on concentration of duties states that we have a problem in the field of self-sufficiency, our problem is not yet solved , the problem is the same as drought and lack of facilities, and this is not the biggest amount of water wastage in the agricultural sector, then we will come in front of tv when it's summer, we tell people, people , don't wash your cars with water. actually, domestic consumption is 7 issues . you abandoned 93 issues

. why did you abandon industry and agriculture? at this level , we are looking at the issue, this issue of self-sufficiency should not be resolved , at the same time, it is not a good job, now the increase the water efficiency that has happened in the last two decades should be taken into account. in our agriculture, it is better than less. meanwhile, i would like to point out that washing the car with water is correct, but that is not the issue at all. and the sixth issue, which is my slogan this year, is to the title of my last speech is about making things participatory for the people. the order given by his holiness is not that the people should participate. mr. people should rise up and come, not mr. government. make things participative , you make things participative, the people are among themselves. did we actually tell the people about the war, no? the imam said that the fronts need people to participate let's accept the economy for the people. thank you very much . of course, you have thirty seconds left. if we want to make it participative, the conflict of interests must be managed. the components of governance must act in harmony . paragraph seven of the general employment policies, which

has been in use for more than a decade, 12 years and 13 years. by the way, nothing has been done to coordinate monetary, financial and commercial policies . i don't think of any coordination in these policies now. everyone is doing something for himself and there are conflicts that i do n't understand. it helps to organize, god willing, thank you very much the two guests of the program, mr. sedager, mr. hasankhani, all the good viewers of the above program, who have accompanied us until this moment, but this is the point and don't wash the cars with water. thank you very much .

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