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no matter what we do, you will be higher tomorrow , in the name of god, greetings, courtesy, respect, service to each and every one of our dear and respected viewers of the higher program , we are at your service with another debate on whether the ministry of mines and metals should be formed or not. one of you know that it was in 1990 that the ministry of civil and commercial documents was merged with the ministry of industry, mining and trade. we want to say clearly that we had the ministry of heavy industry , we had the metal mines, and i would like to ask you that industry and mines, although these three ministries should

be separated again, you know that, for example, we have the ministry of commerce, which has powers the ministry should be separated from the ministry of home affairs experts believe that in the field of mines, due to the extent that the ministry of industry and trade has now , the mines will also be unkind to them, it should be removed and have a separate ministry, but on the other side, there are some who believe that this will cause the government to expand became. the government will be and it is not very good that this happens , the ministry of industry, trade and commerce can also take care of mines. our studio, mr. asgarzadeh is the secretary iranian iron and steel association as a supporter of the issue i presented to you. also present are mr. taheri

, a member of parliament and the former chairman of the documents commission of the islamic council, as an opponent of the establishment of this ministry of home affairs. greetings and blessings to both guests of the program, before we start our discussions and views, i invite you to go together. amir hassanzadeh , vice president of coordination of economic affairs of kerman governorate , according to the country's capacities, specialized in mines and metals should be given priority. the economy of our country it is based on mining. but we do not have a specialized ministry of mines and metals. while mining is the economic driver of the country. seyed mohammad bayatian, former member of the industry and mines commission of the islamic council. in my opinion, the separation of the industry again. commercial mines

are not a bad thing from each other, especially the isolation of the mining sector due to the new approach that has been seen in the government towards the mining sector is necessary. it seems that dariush esmaili, the former head of iran's mining engineering system organization, agrees with the opinion of the ministry of commerce, that the ministries of commercial mining industry can be made smaller, more agile and more specialized, and instead of being burdensome. the government should be left in these ministries as well, hossein jarousi, the former representative of the cities of shahriar qods mallarde. i do not agree with the separation of the mining industry and trade, and i believe that simply because we did not get the desired result from this merger, we cannot question the whole plan and vote for their separation again . seyyed javad hosseini kiya, a member of

the islamic council's industry and mining commission , will impose a lot of costs on the government. in the world , they are always looking for the miniaturization of governments, and it must be said that with this action, the government will develop and become bigger. besides, in the sixth program it is emphasized that the government should be reduced by 15% annually. scientist, member of iran chamber of commerce. until the missions are clear, these distinctions are useless. several times over the past 70 years. the ministry of industry, mines, and commerce have been classified and separated. but until a detailed planning is done and the missions are not clear, these measures have no effect on the country's economy. yes,

we saw the report together. i would like to start with mr. taheri and the question, mr. taheri , where does the reason for your opposition to the formation of the ministry of metal mines come from? in the name of god. i am also wide hello, i have a good time, to the honorable viewers and honorable guest, the mine is very important, we have serious backlogs, this is a serious demand of the system, we have many capacities that have not yet been used, this is a principle and a reality, but in many areas we are the same in others, we have many potential capacities. we have a lot and we have to turn these into verbs. the fact that the ministry of mining industry is a busy ministry and there are many things to do in this ministry is also a correct principle. but if something is not done well

or is done incompletely, we must think about correcting it by creating a new structure, this is a wrong thing . we had the past experience of rome. now , they give many examples, for example, this business and the so-called mining industry, or before , it was a small industry or once a mine. industry and mining are in one home ministry, and also the field of commerce is currently in one home ministry, and one minister can actually take care of all these matters, which is a disadvantage and a good thing. control the chain , import these, export here , adjust these and manage the work if these are separated, what will happen is that, first of all , when we say the mine of the ministry of mines and metals, how far do we mean the chain, assuming

that we cut somewhere, for example, in the steel chain , for example, we reach the ingot, either a little ahead or a little behind , in the end when you cut this piece. the continuation of the bullion is that the rolling steel industry wants to be where they want to make sheets , whether it comes to the first inverter, automobile manufacturers, home appliances , and finally there will be a big difference between these two parts of the chain. a minister is looking for the benefits of the upstream part of this chain. it is downstream of this and here people may actually forget that serious problems will occur, that is, the department. it will take a lot of the time of the cabinet and these two ministers to resolve these differences. of course , there are a lot of reasons. allah, the

most merciful, the most merciful, and the most merciful, i think that the discussion starts from the origin of adqam. we must follow up , as you know, the ministry of industry and heavy industry, which was formed and merged with each other, and the ministry it formed the industry, later it was merged with mines and metals, industries and mines, and later commerce was added to it and it became the mining industry and trade at the time of the establishment of industries , mines and metals. when trade was established with these, a great expert work was done. i remember that even the chamber of commerce came and compared 100 countries of the world with each other. look at the structural conditions governing the world , what is the ideal governance system like. basically, there was a serious discrepancy

between what existed in metal mines and what was practiced in industries. we did not exist in mines and metals. we were in a sector where all the companies under mines and metals were the so-called btob companies . when bto became 30, it went to the industry, that is , it was related to the metal mines sector, and where it comes to the public sector, and the customer side is the industry sector. not having any differences with each other, by the way , in the chains, we basically

do not look at the lowest industry, in the chains, we look at the production chain, after, for example, assuming that the sheet or round metal or these were produced, we basically see the chain as complete, that in what will happen to the construction industry, will this milligram be exported or not? it is used in the construction industry, these are tied. another part is the mining sector and the so-called mining industry. i think this is a wrong thing , it causes problems in the chains . if the two ministries of home affairs are separated, these chains will collide. you now believe that this was not the case. if it is like this that the whole

government board department is related to each other, we will come, for example let's add housing construction to this, let's say, sir, my house is finally made of cement and i don't know, tiles and tiles, and this is used, this should be added to it, then we will have problems with the finance department, and these are also related to the ministry of economic affairs of rome , let's integrate it into this, this is the reason cannot be merged. let it be an expert reason, that is, how can we help to organize the production chains and finally give a boost to the business environment . i believe that this happened well during the time of metal mines, and perhaps the most comprehensive period of the mining sector. and the mining industries of the country were none of them experts cannot hide the fact that it was the best mining period in the country, and on the other hand , what has happened now, the mine

has been completely sidelined. let's add, because he is a consumer, well, at the head of the government , the first vice president's job is to coordinate these things. if we take it the other way around, let's say, sir, the more we separate these things , the more successful we can be. let's say textile, let's create a textile ministry, for example, us now we have a lot of problems in automobiles, no one has been able to say that we should contact the ministry of automobiles, it doesn't matter who can explain this, this argument is not correct. i mean, you come and say that because now the chain , for example, is going to be used in automobile manufacturing , it doesn't matter, this is enough for now. enough, for example , let's say this, then let's come to other places . now, later, i

'll tell you about the problem. dear viewers, respected experts, you can tell me if this problem can be solved with the structure of this problem or if it has nothing to do with the structure. what is the mining situation now? we are in exploration now we have a problem, the investment is very low. what does the law say, the mining law says that when we receive government rights from the mine, 65% of this should come to the ministry and it will spend in the mine. how much of this 60 so-called government rights should come to the ministry maybe 2.3% side. should this be a separate ministry of home affairs? the organization of the budget program wants to solve the problems of the budget with these government rights. it wants to be organized. so, since the ministry of home affairs is separate, i will give you this money. do you go and do your exploration or not? right now, if this money is returned, the ministry will be able to explore them we

will have a jump in exploration at one time. whether it really wants a structure or not , the government must accept that the money it took from the government is not going back to the ministry. it is an investment. next year, it will be 3 times more. this is the change of approach. you may say that if there is a minister, he can do a lot of slandering, so let the minister come and let him, for example, instead of writing a letter once, 10 times, that is, slandering, which cannot be done with the structure, the approach should be changed, the head of the program organization, the head of the government should say it, sir. what the legislator said in the permanent mining law he said that this is 100. government salaries, not a single rial should be spent on current expenses in five places , 65% of it should go to the ministry of position, 12% should go to natural resources, 5% should come, for example, what do i know about the insurance fund of the mining engineering system? it can't be done, we say let's create a structure , even the piece of cloth that is coming back now, the money

cannot reach that structure, because the new structure needs a new cost , said one of the examples. lagging, you have now taken an approach , you have a problem with machinery in the mine, take advantage of it first, they said that the exploration chain was in operation for 4 years before the government came and said that we do not want to import mining machinery and the mine experienced a sharp decline, under the pretext of width or whatever or under the pretext of supporting domestic production . there are those who can produce mining machines, then we will see the total of these products. for mining machinery, for example, 10% does not meet the real needs of this mine. then we will say, let's create a ministry of mines , that's all. well, if the import of machinery and industry is separated from this at all, it will only get worse because it is in charge of it. this is another ministry. another ministry is a cloth that was made now and later was modified. this is from bineh, that is, the traps that

are in the exploration and exploitation of the mining industry, none of them are related to the structure. we don't want to come and say that we need to create a structure. friends may say that the minister spends little time. well , let's appoint a minister who will spend more time. mine is forced , for example, the minister takes his time and goes himself, these approaches should be changed, not the creation of new structures thank you mr. asakzadeh, what do you think? how much do you agree with mr. bahri? so far, we definitely don't want to do a single cause analysis, but the structure is very effective to say that we have a minister who has the power to control all these housing ministries together. we can't find such a person, mr. doctor. in the past few years, you can name a minister who was not the minister of automobiles or the minister of market regulation. you

can see the problems in that sector. they say they don't see us, the industry, for example, they say we we had a meeting about the industry related to the health care field, which means heartache, they say they don't know any connection at all. for example, the railway industry , the shipping industry, please forgive me. it can be a part , i don't care about its size, i don't care about how big or small it is. when we discuss chains and industrial units , we say that as long as you are considered our chain, from then on, it becomes our industry, where we are in the so-called b-to-b space means that a company transfers its product to another company as a raw material it produces, we call it the upstream sector. our assumption

is that if this happens, this sector will be separate. of course, my proposal is not the ministry of mines and metals. i say that if such a conversation and a so-called reformation discourse takes place in the government, we should create a negative ministry of what has become stronger in the problems of industry and commerce and let's name it, for example, the ministry of mines and geosciences. let's concentrate all the earth science data in one place, and by the way, there are many works in the discovery department of mr. dr. most of these data are available. there are companies that do it themselves. most of it is in the possession of the organization and the ministry of home affairs, which usually become documents in the drawers and closets of the atomic energy organization in the ministry of industry

. whatever happens, the exploration of the oil sector comes in this field of related issues. when it comes to water and identification of water resources, a collection of geosciences should be collected in this area and this data may be classified. it is possible to ask if some of it is security data, there is no problem in classifying it. but if these are classified in an accessible collection , it will be known who wants to reach what, this event can solve the problem of the mining sector in a significant way, of course, you are right, when we are in the rights of the government. for example, let's assume that we had a very explicit law in article 43 of the sixth plan law, which is very clearly stated in article 14 of the mining law

, and now 15 % of the things you mentioned are related to the discussions of the province and infrastructure reform, and these are the issues after all. it is important that if these things happened, you would not go to the parliament again to approve that one percent of the sale give to the provinces. the mine has now become a place that does not have a guardian , there is no one to defend the mining sector, it was at the level of a deputy , the deputy has also been reduced, material processing has also been added to it, that is, we had a ministry operating in the field of mining and mineral industries. please accept that such a ministry can be much more effective in defending against those structural problems and smoothen the conditions for the mine

. chose but in in general, the work for the mine became like someone who went to a restaurant and ate his food, once at the table, he counted with him , once when he was leaving, he said , "excuse me, give me your food money again ." according to your words, the minister of state has been very kind to the department of death , a meeting has been arranged for the department of death

, the non-return of state salaries is not in the ministry itself , it is in a place called the budget program organization . bring the budget program organization, which you cannot tear apart where does it come from, mr. doctor, if it is supposed to be the government's rights, everything comes in the so-called ministry. i said that it is not included because the minister, in the maximum work that you told him to do, sir, you should definitely address the issue of mining. mardan has been neglected, he came and said that it is ok, i will hold one meeting a week for the mardan department, is one meeting per week enough for the mining department, for the backward department

, if not, a suitable structure should be developed, mr. taheri, see that the ministry is a big ministry. first, let me explain this in general . one part, for example, has commerce , has various industries, has cars, has mines, and is itself a government. the minister can play the role of the president there his deputy should play the role of the minister. now, are we coming to the country of the president? we are saying that, for example, the president cannot coordinate his position in this government board between the housing ministry and the ministry. we say let the president be the president. to coordinate this, the president should be able to coordinate 19 ministries of home affairs by himself and his first deputy. if there is a weakness, we do not say that we should leave it to the president, for example, to put a few of these together, but we do not say that we should do it all , one home ministry is the same head president, yes, we say this because they are connected to each other in a chain i said that it will be separated then there will be a fight. look at this

. i have an experience, mr. dr. hosseini. now our colleagues in the parliament say that being the minister of economy in mr. ahmadinejad's government, they say that 80 of the most meetings of the government board were fights between commerce and the mining industry. 20 he was saying that this should be imported, this should be exported, this should not be brought, that the producer has lost, this is what i want to say , look at the fact that geological information should be changed, well, right now, we are in the law of the program. we brought this, i want to say that this is not a structure , we did the homework, it was done, now i want the program seventh, i would like to say, mr. doctor, i do not want the seventh program in the law, in the mining law, it has been in the law for years , 137 to 1391, there is a high probability that it will not be done , see how many places they have geological information, for example, the ministry of oil has come to inspect the entire country because of oil, the so-called organization atomic energy

in order to find uranium, there is no structure, there is no structure, we have laid down the law now, the law cannot be implemented, you may say , sir, the data is mine. because now it is a home ministry yes, he says, "i want this," he says, "i don't want it to be the ministry of home affairs, sir, i want it to be done here, so i can tell you that it will definitely not be done again. what is the solution? we came here and criminalized it. it would not have been criminalized if the permanent commission, whose job it is, has been exchanged." make it mandatory that this data should be provided to this device . if the manager doesn't do it, he will be criminalized. this criminalization has never been done before. he said that if he doesn't do this , his biggest crime is that he said we will take that chair away from him because the manager will keep that chair. i have to give it now, it seems there are other crimes i have a problem with the process and views, not the structure

, although i accept this. you can cut everything down, create a structure, a more centralized ministry can spend more time on it and become a master, put a more expert person there, but a new iranada will be created, i say if you take the average, the total points that are obtained in the positive, etc. the negative that will be obtained with this separation will definitely be to the detriment of the mine , it will be to the detriment of the industry, and it will be to the detriment of the people. what if you have formed the ministry of mines? the most negative thing that comes out is the difference between the continuation of the chain and the beginning of the chain. did you understand that now you have a chain here ? they have a tendency to export more than they bring in, that is, anywhere

, if we remove their complications or if there is no limit , the one who extracts iron ore likes to export its iron ore to, for example, concentrate , he likes to go, he likes to go to pellets, i don't know, he likes ingots. it's going like this, it's more profitable we need to fix the structure, doctor, that 's what i want to say, a structure must be created here , that is, with my width, you come now, for example , say that, sir, i separated this from the chain , finally, especially the lower chain, that means you are at the same time, sir, i want it with the upper hand. . i think it should grow upstream. now, your automobile manufacturer is not controlled by a minister. he says, sir, i will not hand over to you at this price, with what you are saying. you go and import it. the price of the worker is the price. i want to give you the basic price he says no, the minister says, i don't want to do this, and therefore everything here in this chain can get messed up, that is, you can grow up and down, and people

can suffer, and after that, it's possible. on the contrary, when he doesn't have a trustee, that means he has two . now, because he is downstream, he is suppressed by a higher power called the president or the first vice president, to such an extent that he doesn't see the interests of this anymore, he only wants his own interests. let's see if it comes lower than this one, but if it is with a chain, all of this no, it can be managed by one person, sir, i am realistic about this. let me analyze it realistically , mr. doctor, that a criminalization will not help us, but the minister will help, no , let me say something about the article 43 that you yourself mentioned in the law of the sixth schedule , it was also said there. it used to be that if it was spent elsewhere, it would be a violation of government rights, but this happened and you know that even the organization.