but on average , we have a deficit of 20 to 30 million liters of gasoline. let's assume that the government will explain 90 million to 100 million gasoline and provide a mechanism that can be exchanged between all those who need it. you can't buy gasoline from everyone who sells it. again, we need 20 to 30 million liters of gasoline per day , enter the society, considering that we have a high consumption and our people are not consumers, these are the cars that are consuming, we import cars. we don't have our car productions, the quality of which is higher in terms of consumption, and we have performance, but now it's at zero level, so i want to tell you. this increase in gasoline consumption is a

natural thing, that is, we know that we are suffering from it. now , how is the government going to distribute these 203 million among the people ? after all, those who want to consume must consume as much as they need, because it is not in their hands that they do not have a car, for example, those who he wants to pay his expenses, that means he wants to do something to provide services in azash, he buys the gasoline, and we have to buy this 20 million liters or 30 million liters. how are we going to give it to the people? at what price are we going to give it to the people? so, are we going to do something so that the government won't put money out of its own pocket? well , if we are going to give this 20 million, let's pay the fab price , which means the same price that will end up for the government, because we have to do this. he is going to enter and divide whatever he produces. well, i assume that the balance between those who produce a tolty in whatever he produces will be subsidized . no, you see, this subsidy is supposed to be whatever the number is, for example 100 units, for example,

it is now being explained to the car owners. he wants to explain these 100 units among those who don't have a car naturally, samiya car owners explain this in terms of the number of liters of gasoline. he says that he is not going to give money , he says, "i have 90 million or 100 million liters of production . we want to give 15 liters to anyone who is 18 years old or younger. well, let's assume that someone who they will be born or 18 years old . it is balanced with the person i die. it means that nothing is going to be added, but with all the conditions, if we consider it constant, we have 203 million less to spend under the same conditions. what price is this 15 liters going to cost for the production of our refinery? well, for example , we say that the construction of our refineries is in the best condition in the next few years, it is going to add 6 million liters to us, which does not make any difference to the main issue , that is, we have to build a refinery now. the 6 million money that the government gives is the fobo price, which is calculated by the refinery, which means that basically it has to buy this , import it, or that. go from the refinery.

well, mr. nawaz , how will the remaining 203 million be compensated? i don't agree with mr. engineer that it will increase consumption . let's see the current situation. what should we do with this deficit right now? yes, you see , we are not going to solve all the problems in the fuel sector by implementing the plan of allocating subsidies from cars to individuals. this is not the case, but they are taking an important step. nedaren explained that there is a production deficit of 20-30 million liters that he is importing. how can he supply it ? does he have a production deficit right now or not? after all, yes, this national code is supposed to solve another issue. it's not that we come up with a plan that we implement right away let's resist the increase in consumption. i say that if we don't take this action.

we have an increase in consumption, which means you should look at the problem from the light of the matter. i am now almost close to their orders, but i would like to say one thing . see, the concerns are valid concerns, mr. engineer, that is, when a change is to happen, when a correction is made. he wants everyone to have concerns , that's right, the concerns should be answered in the specialized fields, we are now witnessing a lot of debates in this field, that is, everyone. he talks about this in his specialized field, there is an agenda in order to reach a consensus, the majlis research center gives its opinion, experts' opinions are presented in the media, but the government does not have a specific agenda to reach a consensus. i would like to say one thing that now you can see the part that was cut off, now we have non-price solutions, so to speak

, in my opinion, non-price solutions have reached their highest limit, which means excessive pressure on the companies under the ministry of oil and on the ministry of oil in this regard. that you do not import any amount of consumption cover it, implement a non-price solution, but the people should not be dissatisfied, it means that these are dream cases, we have done these non-price solutions to the highest level, now we want to have a non-price solution , the government wants to do it, how can the real consumer be in labe lai these decisions of ours, whether it is the private sector, whether it is a fuel station, whether it is the people , regardless of all these decisions that the government or even the companies under the ministry of oil read , take this change and amendment of mr. bozir nasr, see

the security requirements of the defense of the issues related to the ministry of oil regarding the provision of an explanation. and his foot is all this concern must it can be seen that we cannot leave these issues aside simply because we want to control consumption, simply because we want to have justice in the explanation of subsidies . it will be offered, if the government lowers the price, it will pay again in the current situation , so if it reaches the fab price, it will pay the cost, which means it will cost the people. it can be imposed. my question here is to assume that your first step has been completed let's assume it's done, we've reached the second stage , which is supposed to be done to everyone. well , how do we want it, and at what price do we want it

? before you get into this, tell the people that if it's supposed to be implemented from tomorrow , we'll assume that this plan will be implemented. your prerequisite has also been fulfilled, which is a model for paying the fuel quota of internet taxis. the government's order to sell gasoline at the base price. the fuel station does not necessarily mean an increase in the price of gasoline, and it has nothing to do with it . by the way , i have my criticism. they are confronting this plan with a lot of people, they are saying that this increase in price is going to happen, who is saying something like that

? look, when you allow 15 , i will explain. q3

: what is our situation? you have 3 cars and i don't have 2 cars. now, what should we do? how should we fill the gas? let's see if we want to start the technical implementation discussion . what will it look like in general? that second step to the proposed model , we, who were not the proposers, were just us we studied if it is for each person, that is, in the household, each person will receive 15 lists, that means 15 lists will receive 1,500 tomans

. there is no more liter, this

is in the implementation technique, this is analyzed based on this data, now my answer to this question is, in fact, it is not necessarily that this will be implemented , but what can actually be put on paper is that a person now, justice means the same thing, it means that a person with a car is receiving 15 liters, which means that his car is not worth anything. no, the current condition of the car is 60 liters, if it fits, it is 15 liters, so far as the problem and this plan that is announced, when a person is the head of a household , there are 6 members in his family, he needs to use the car more . the members of his family, this share will increase, it is different from that person who is one person who sometimes has two cars. well, this is actually justice right now when we want the increase. in fact, if we use more than 15 liters , it is explained by the government's mandated rate, that is

, what do we do right now, now if 60 our liter is not sufficient for our consumption , we will buy it at the free rate, is it right, is it free, or i should buy it from the person who has 1,500 tomans in the form of gasoline credits and does not have a car, for example, for the price of 2,300 tomans, if i can, let us know now. if i'm not wrong, i will say that we will bring the gasoline, adel. now, i will not explain equally

, let's divide it fairly, but the price will be the same, the price will not change, except now 10-20%, which is going to be something, but no more. well , we are talking about the two current conditions it means that with this figure, we only changed the way of distribution , it is equal. let's say, but we haven't come to our main problem, which is the shortage of gasoline, and the government will solve the problem with the money it has, and now we have to solve the problem . yes, you are right. well , there is no other way to supply it. this statement of yours means that you say that the government should make the fuel more expensive than what it imports. so what other way do you suggest ? we have no way except to increase the price. see the price increase if it was supposed to well, increasing the price will solve our problem, so far

, we don't believe in increasing the price, right , we want to change the current situation, the method of explanation, yes, i say. according to their belief, no, no , see that gasoline is now becoming more expensive, like gas, 20-30 per year, which i think should be done . tell me about the dollar. whatever you increase , give a shock. temporary housing after two or three years again, he has to put money, that is

, the global price of gasoline has not changed, our money is becoming worthless, and no matter how much it goes up, it cannot compensate for it. now the government is in a situation where they say that the import should be done. it is supposed to compensate for this deficit. it compensates for this , if the price is to be fixed, we are the only way.

it is a dream to think that we are under pressure in the current situation where there are inexpensive solutions. you can see this collection of azad cards. during eid, every second a news is published in this field . there are inexpensive solutions for the real consumer. it is putting pressure because we don't have the facilities to control it , the pressure is more than the pressure is too much, why is the control of the consumption too much pressure on the body of distribution and production and transportation of petroleum products because it is non-price solutions. it should be used to control the consumption, but the current structure is not possible. this has reached the highest level in order to create a new mechanism to control consumption and to provide fuel to the people who have real consumption at the right price that exists now or the price that will come later. or whatever, the government wants a tool. this tool is not possible in the current situation, but if

the fuel subsidy is allocated to people from the car. transferred yes, this tool will be provided to the government so that those of you who see that you are very interested in controlling consumption for those who consume a lot, in this regard, let's assume that we don't have any solution , how will the consumption control happen , how do you see this solution to control consumption it is not a guarantor of consumption control, maybe the price increase is also a guarantor of control, because because our cars have problems, we increase consumption on cars , but the government of resources wants you to see, the government of resources wants to do this. now he is actually allocating the subsidy to members of the society , it does not happen. distribution and transportation and various activists with the current method, they are suffering losses. we are really facing a lot of difficulties in the issue of using the fuel card. besides, i saw your polls and

the majority of people agreed that they actually agreed with the distribution to people. in this way, i want you to be present in a market where people can exchange prices , for example, if i don't have my own, but i have gasoline , i have a share, in any case, i want to give up my gasoline there at whatever price the supply and demand determine now. let me tell you, do you agree or disagree? i have now told you the challenge of this presence, because we have 20-30 million lei daily on the demand side, it always goes to the purchase page of a product, so that means we are always on the buying side, so on the demand side, the price always goes up. consumption is always on the rise, so here the government becomes the main player by importing

20-30 million liters a day into the market, if the price is to be discovered and the government doesn't pay. for this purpose , this price should be the same as the fab price, that is, 40 to 50 thousand tomans per liter. now , what the government is going to bring to everyone is the fab price. let's give the quota, let's take a look at the 100 million, for example, whatever we have, we divided it among all the people . let's say it's a subsidy . let's assume that the subsidy is 3,000 tomans . let's look at it this way. let's assume that this is the number. well, whatever gas we have, we will subsidize. now the amount is a little bit . because when we are talking about 40,000 tomans with gasoline, this number will all be a subsidy. we provided that those whom we delivered can sell at whatever price they want, well, it's nothing but

that all those who don't need can sell to all those who need. sell ​​stones. well, since the price is going up, we need to reduce things by 20-30 million reiters a day. we are faced with a need. so, in fact, you are saying that the government should also come to that market and sell its gasoline in such a market where the price can be discovered. is there a solution? no, benny, the government should not enter that market at all, he says, "sir, whoever wants to come, for example, whether he enters that market or not, for example, i will put it at the price of my soul." well, if this price is lower than

what we are talking about right now, i am talking about the problem that we have , the problem that we have in the discussion of fuel supply. now we are talking about explanation. we will have a strange price, so there is a possible question here. as you said , we have 20-30 million liters. for example , i am telling you that we are importing at the price of fauba . let's assume that, for example, it has 20-30 million liters. it will be very expensive for the governments. the 100 million liters that the government is producing. face at what price should he supply it, that's all, that's my argument , that's all. see, now this thing that the government doesn't actually produce has been privatized, so we should build a refinery right now . there is gasoline inside the country. the government should buy it from this refinery at the fab price. i mean, it doesn't matter to the government that this gasoline is produced inside the country, or it is , the amount it pays is the same, so in general, it

doesn't matter what it will look like later, and it will reduce its quality, that is, whether it is domestically produced, that is, the government has it right now. he buys gasoline at fob price , he buys it from refineries, it doesn't matter what he is explaining in a way. you assume that the government has no problem. i have already given this number , but we don't want to enter into import . tell me sir, i have the money i spend in my country. look at the figure, but the surplus that you have to import, you have to pay , is a high number. now, for example, the government buys gasoline from the bandar abbas refinery of the star of the persian gulf, how much is it going to see per liter? you should see how much he is selling express themselves their representatives should speak, but according to the fact that, for example, gasoline, because the price is different , for example, they say eurochar gasoline with octane, for example

, so-and-so, now, for example, each octane is reduced by this much , but normally, if they ask, it should be bought at the fob price from the refineries, but this is not happening now. why is this happening right now , mr. nawaz, your summary is 4. we are strongly against the dollarization of fuel prices. why , because we have the native conditions of our own country, economic , political, social, all these should be taken into consideration, but the people are now a part of the people. we left it aside, we say that you will be harmed by our price or non-price decisions in the field of fuel, pay compensation , but when there is a subsidy, you have to stand aside , this is not justice, and in the field of technical implementation, i will also explain, see, we have very good infrastructure , now with efforts that the fuel positions of the companies under the ministry of petroleum and natural gas are done. in the past few years , we have had powerful submachine guns. be informed , dear people . we spend 100 million tomans for one of our equipment . we have a very good equipment and infrastructure at the gas station. thank you very much

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