well, you are with the above. first of all, i would like to introduce to you the guests who agreed to join today's program, mr. dr. ali baqer taher, the head of the higher education research and planning institute of the ministry of science, whom we serve as an opponent, and mr. dr. hossein nasiri, the head of the higher education and research department of the islamic council research center, who agrees with the title, but our time on ik sima is over . if you are interested, please follow us on khabar.

well, i say hello to the viewers of the network they know that he is following us, if he is old , mr. nasir, let us ask the first question to mr. taherinian. basically, mr. taherin , how much budget does the ministry of science have now and where does this budget come from? are there any charities or institutions that the ministry of science can help with? in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful , since we are still in the days of fulfilling a sincere promise, please allow me to fulfill this promise on behalf of the great and noble community of academics, which is both a proud act and an act of authority, and incidentally, an act of security. service of the revolutionary guard islamic, the proud army of the islamic republic, the wise and wise leader of the revolution. and to all the lovers of the islamic ummah,

i would like to congratulate islamic iran. but let me share the budget of the ministry of science based on last year. you can see that part of the budget of the ministry of science actually includes spending budgets and property acquisition. it is about 45 and a half hemet. 41 of it is a cost and four and a half of it is related to the possession of the total of 45, in fact it is 45 and a half of it. this is the place of public budgets. a small part of the resources of the universities comes from special revenues. the specific income of the universities comes from providing services to the society. conducting research projects and the like. a much smaller part is the participation of benefactors in the support sector. only this university is under the ministry of science, or the university of medical sciences, which is under the supervision of the ministry of health , is also included. ministry of health

second-time students and the like, and non-shershe pardaz students who now go to it is a mistake for him as a free student. in fact , it is noted that this is a share in the ministry of science and in the ministry of health. yes, in short, if we want to compare these two, in the country of higher education, including the ministries of azad university, 70% our students pay sharia directly, of course , let's remember that the tuition they pay does not cover all of their education expenses

. in islamic azad university, in non -government universities, in public universities, 70% of our students pay tuition fees, and 30% actually. non-tuition payer or student. daily or by mistake, free students because we don't have free students , you said 45 thousand billion tomans. yes, 45 and a half thousand billion tomans can be spent only on this 30 %. 30 the percentage of those who have non-urban education

is about 800 dnd and 20,000 students in the ministry of science. 80,000 students are spent on these. of course , let's remember that we should not conclude that 45 and 45 half-hamts are not for students. the credit that universities get for training students it means student education, education means student culture , student welfare issues, especially and very important to move on the frontier of knowledge, to conduct research, to help solve society 's problems. how much see to specifically, in the nutrition sector, about 16% is spent on nutrition out of this 45,000, yes, but 16% of these funds from the ministry of science are spent on expenses, which is actually

something like 7,000 billion tomans per cent. let me explain the 45 and a half hours or 41 hours in total. nutrition is a welfare beyond nutrition . dormitory discussions, commuting discussions, and the like are the main expenses of the ministry of science, which is close to 90% . it should not be thought that the surplus force is the scientific community that supports these point missiles with the honor of the students of the students' university. science and technology are in this country. you see, the majority of the expenditure of the ministry of science is spent on the personnel cost, which is a little more than 90% and the rest is 16% . the field is

actually nutrition. i can't thank you very much, if mr. nasir aziz, in any case, mr. tai says that about 70% of our students pay sharia, which means that this is the budget that is actually taken by the ministry of science. that is almost the figure it is also possible, 45 thousand billion tomans per year is more than 45 thousand billion tomans in 2012 and only in fact now they say that it is divided into 30%, but in fact, a large part of it is spent on the 30% of students, which according to them is now tuition. they don't pay and mistakenly think it's free. do you think we should remember this? i'll tell you why it's free? yes, is education close to justice or not? in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings and courtesy to your excellency, mr. doctor . i congratulate the honorable viewers and this proud event to the service of the leader of the revolution and all the people. well, look, mr. doctor, when in we are talking about education credits

, it is not only the ministry of science, that is, we have the ministry of health, treatment and medical education, which spends about 112 credits in the field of education. we have a cultural university, mr. tayani says the total budget is not , our student population statistics include different universities , the credit belongs to the ministry of science, not the credit that mr. doctor said for the year 1402 , it was only for the ministry of science, that is, the year 143, we want to update , its cost is only 52 thousand billion toman, well , in addition to this, the ministry of health allocates another cost, yes, yes, in addition to this year it was not possible to separate the education and research programs of the ministry of health and the budget was mentioned in a general way , it was not possible to separate these and calculate them, but in general, in the calculations we had in the past years, 11-12 % of these expenses were spent education of students can be done . i have a tip for you about that issue . see, when we say 70, we mean the

volume. the important thing is that we see how much it costs for this department. see, i will give you a statistic based on the national account statistics. it will be published by the statistics organization. look, we have a total of 72 percent of g of this 72% , about 70% is provided by the public sector, and about 28-30% comes from the private sector, so we have to make sure that we have 70% of our students with 28 credits, and we rotate 30% in some way. % of students we have with 70% credits. in general, the body of our education system is costing 7%, what did you say, mr. doctor, from the national accounts, the financial turnover of our higher education system in the national accounts is 72 percent, which in developed countries

is mostly 1.5 percent, which means that the share is actually research. did you see it? no, mr. doctor, higher education, which includes research , technology, the cycle of those costs that are in a kind of cycle, one point you mentioned in the doctor's speech, whether the non -profit universities and islamic azad universities, which are in any case in this country is working hard and doing good things. do they not have the right? can't they use the resources? no, you see, basically, the constitution does not need to be clear in this field to specify that only you are universities called public universities with a government framework and pulpits. it is not straightforward to simply assign them therefore, in my law, the law annexes some articles to the law regulating the section. article 34 of the government's financial regulations of 2004 states that

the government can give non-tafahi universities and payam noor universities from these government grants to the students of islamic azad university, so there is no obstacle, but what is happening in the official, although this i i will give you a statistic . currently, i have the statistics of the students' welfare fund for the year 1402, about 28 billion tomans of loans to students of islamic azad university, about 16 billion tomans to students of payami university. we should not look at a device, basically the constitution , so mr. doctor, when it comes to credits, we do n't necessarily look at a device. they are students anyway, and we can explain our priorities and resources based on that

. right now, in their opinion, both raising the question and giving their own answers means that it is not considered a part and a system. it would be the ministry of science, while the student welfare fund happens to have a supportive position it has the orientation of strengthening social justice. it does not only serve daily students, it also serves more tuition-paying students . i would like to say that the students are actually the students' welfare fund for students. it is actually the tuition-payer for bachelor's degree up to 3 million tomans for master's degree up to 5 million tomans for doctorate up to 7 million tomans. it pays millions of tomans for education, but look at the students of the institutions under the supervision of the ministry of science, the students of various departments, by the way, the student welfare fund is the basis of social justice, and it

is paying this facility, there is no change. this is an education that pays for and has a return, and by the way, to different departments , for example, azad university students are also non-governmental students for daily, but for the night of baziribah this past year, the students' welfare fund in the ministry of science did a very valuable step in providing facilities. in fact, housing rent is quadrupled. it increased, which means that now they pay up to 120 million tomans in rent to students, actually students who can use the facilities, so look at the part where the support budgets, such as the welfare fund, belong more or less to the general students. they use it, but the department that is the head of the ministry of science, which cannot be given to the ministry of health , other departments, finds direction in its own students, mainly day students. now , i think the question for mr. nasir is that in this allocation subsidies are fair. i

will pay attention to your service. look at our 1st and 2nd income deciles . 9% of our students study in public universities . in our 9th and 10th deciles, 38 of our students are in public universities . in the explanation of subsidies, we are not behaving fairly, that is, the constitution that anyway, we have the upstream document and the common agreement of all of us we act against it, what does it mean, family students. income understandings benefit more from the government subsidy, like unfortunately, other sectors where we have an explanation of the subsidy. do you understand how to make it a little more understandable? it's very easy , mr. doctor. you have high-quality universities. in terms of quality, let me give a very simple and very clear example : does a student who acquires the knowledge of tehran university have the same value as a student in a lower level university , it is definitely not like this. all these disciplines that anyway, of course, this is not absolute, mr. shayani mehr, this is not absolute. anyway, in these

large public universities , they are from different deciles, but i want to give the number . there are 38 students of nodeb departments in the public university, and only 9 mr. dr. look , we have a student of azad university, islamic azad university, a student of, for example , the second year of tehran university, their education rate

is low, it is thought that, for example, suppose the education rate for public universities, for example, suppose it is 3 million tomans for non-state universities , for example, 2 million, they say it is a cost. you are yourself you mentioned a cost, which means the total price is more than this, but the government, in order to support these students , will pay that price a part of the exact price of a second-time student in a public university, it is certainly not responsible for the total cost of his education, but the universities are among them. from the place , in fact, their exclusive income from me and other sources help them to maintain the quality of education, that is , the quality of education of second-year students of tehran university is at the level of society's expectations. i can't, of course i will comment

see, mr. shainmehr, mr. doctor, they only refer to the rifa fund, see that the total credit of the rifa fund is less than a thousand billion tomans. and then we will pass on it, basmi. now you say that 70 efforts were spent in the ministry of science in the public sector , in the entire ministry of science and the ministry of health, the others are not. i did it in the ministry of science and the ministry of health

, the rest are non-governmental, the farhangian university under the ministry of education, mr. doctor . it is not just educating students, educating high-quality students is solving society's problems, moving on the border of the university , competing in international arenas, which one of

the universities can we expect this from, and then say that we will act equally in the distribution of our resources, this is not justice, it is allowed, mr. doctor, if you first , mr. doctor, if you first look at zainaf's public university, non-governmental university, instead of looking at the institution, then pay attention that i want to support zainaf, wherever zainaf wants to study , zainaf must meet the conditions of his competence, a quality it should be of the necessary quality, and it is a tenth of my income let me pay attention to whether education is one of the priorities of the country's comprehensive map and the country's needs . the ministry of science should also support non-governmental universities in providing resources. when

we talk about the country's educational system, i see this organization as the allocator of resources, the ministry of the miracle machine, the policy maker, mr. doctor, the budget program organization . yes, when we talk about these resources, they should be explained based on these three indicators. let me give you an example in public universities, in any case , he is a high-quality student, he is an aided student, in the same way in a government university, we are currently acting like this , a charter student is conditional, we support him , student welfare educational facilities. he is studying in our islamic azad university and other non-governmental universities in line with the priority of the country, he has the right to be supported and the necessary quality is being supported . it is non-governmental, this is negative, it is not the support of the welfare fund of the ministry of science, the number of one thousand billion tomans is not a number when it is a big decision giri kasher, let's take a look at this large amount of resources

directed towards a university named as a government. well , in fact, the proposal and default of mr. doctor, after all, he is a researcher at the majlis research center, is that the government, not the ministry of science, is obliged to support the non-governmental sectors as well. financial. the same budget that the government is allocating to the ministry of science with all its difficulties, do you think adelan is being divided between non-government universities or tuition-paying universities and public universities and students who do not pay tuition or not? this is the main question of our program. this is whether the budget should be for with one justice and equality by considering everyone, is this budget distributed fairly and should it be allocated to all universities or only the universities

you see? clarify all the universities, now the concern of your excellency and perhaps for example the viewers is that the credit of the ministry of science is fair between universities are explained by themselves. here we consider all students, that is, you are now saying that the credit of this credit is the origin of the thing. it is from the per capita calculation of daily student legality, see the credit of daily student, the formula for calculating the budget of universities, in this way, we are the founder of nothing. the ministry of science does not give support to the ministry of science for night students or tuition-paying students, nor does it provide support from the welfare fund, but the figure is not high. we take nine

daily students, they don't even take seniors, that is , they don't take undergraduate students who have been there for more than 4 years. the number of students in a university is defined based on whether they have a bachelor's degree, master's degree, or doctorate. per capita undergraduate students are about 36. millions of tomans per year, once i finish my studies, the bachelor's degree will be allocated to the university. this is of course the base number, then add to this, for example, suppose the per capita ratio of the physical space that is valid, the number of faculty members, the number of employees, this base number will increase based on this, so in this formula, there is no non-government student equation that sets the basis at all. sir, this basis

is basically based on per capita credits, according to the law, and this is not the case only for the university. mr. doctor , mr. doctor . be it not mr. doctor, we must be precise when we say law. mr. doctor, let me see the lowest level of credit allocation per capita . the lowest means you count how many students are studying in which university and what is their quality. is it in line with my goals? is the income decile of this household low or high ? no, doctor, now in the universities, a student with a low income perception and a student with a high income perception have no difference in their recovery, nor their diet. the source of the dispute is not clear . we jump to a different branch in every question. this makes our viewers tired . if you know exactly what that report is, our problem is

that the budget for higher education for all students is the budget of the ministry of science. you don't understand. education is funded by the ministry of science for all students, students of the whole country. okay, let whoever defends it, you are defending this sentence. i'm sorry, everyone. listen again . the budget of the ministry of science is for all the students of the country. in the name of budget for education, we don't have anything called institutions responsible for education, mr. doctors. yes, the ministry of health, yes, the ministry of science, yes

, there are two categories. they are separate devices, you see , when we look at the science and technology research department , the duties of this department are to train students, it is one thing to get scientific authority , the other thing is that the demand we have from here is based on the minimum budget, by the way, i want to talk like this , doctor, help to my point, mr. doctor , look at our student per capita in the country, at its best, a doctoral student is 90 million tomans, you help me, this is per capita. how much is it in other countries , i took a look to help you per student a country right next to us that is our regional rival , called turkey, is worth 300 million tomans. it is correct. this per capita of our region is our rival and per capita of our students . my point is that yes

, it is possible for the government to see a program beyond the ministry of science to support azad university students. it is advisable for him to do this for other universities, but what is now under the title of the ministry of science, research and technology is not the ministry of science, research and technology of higher education, it is an organization with a specific structure and a clear mandate. this is actually the model of foreign countries and places that now in the world there is actually this budget it will be allocated, we will come back, but my colleagues will prepare a report to see this report , we will come back and continue the discussion, we will be at your service. about 3 million 200 thousand students across the country, nearly 14% of them are studying in public universities for free. according to article 30 of the constitution , which states that the provision of higher education facilities is free up to the level of self-sufficiency by the government , we asked some experts whether you agree with the free provision of higher education or disagree with the explanation of government credits in higher education in its current form.

or against mohsa rashidi. the researcher opposes the current model of explanation of public credits in the higher education sector , and the important point in this regard is to pay attention to the quality of education . they can also benefit from public credits, so the existing model of explanation that public credits are only available to universities and government higher education centers regardless of the quality of education provided is fundamentally flawed and it cannot be expected to use the resources and upgrade it had the quality of university education. ali omrai, a member of the education commission of transparency and justice watch, agrees. higher education seems to have reached self-sufficiency. but the ability to train specialist forces in the country should

be continuous. that is, we need to train specialized personnel at any time, because part of the specialized personnel is reduced due to various reasons, including the retirement of immigration, and this displacement must be completed immediately by training specialized and efficient personnel, so in order to achieve self-sufficiency, there should be free education facilities in the country. well, thank you very much , we are still proudly at your service with a higher program and the issue of whether the higher education budget should be allocated for all students or not. well, mr. taher niam, let me ask a more basic question. basically, how many students do we have in the country now? give us the exact statistics and how many of these students are under the ministry of science, how many are under the ministry of health , how many are free universities, and how many are the institutions and bodies that have started to

establish universities or colleges themselves and are training students. see the definition of higher education we must not equate it with the ministry of science. now your statement is correct, it means, in fact , what is the number of our student population in higher education in the country, which you are not exactly, not in higher education, that is, in fact, bachelor's degree, associate degree , master's degree and doctorate. why do we say higher education because it also has the ministry of health, which is not the opposite of the ministry of science. therefore, the student population of higher education in the country. islamic azad university , i would like to tell you about 1.5 million of the ministry of science. the ministry of science includes specialized universities such as sharif university, community universities such as tehran university, and national universities such as the university of tehran.