who is collecting garbage, they want to reduce it, so they should make it a task and seriously, it doesn't matter anywhere in the country, tell them exactly from the origin and home of their body , they know better, now you collect the waste in the system they are bringing the delivery of my condition. now we have a very simple example, an epr law. it is good for all of us to take care of it . you see, you are discussing the dry waste. i would like to tell you that by the way it is economic and by the way it creates motivation for municipalities are a self-sufficient group and they have to get their income from different places. one of the places where you can generate income for municipalities is waste.

fertilizer today, agricultural jihad and the ministry of agriculture do not invest in any way, they are willing to import fertilizer, but they don't want to use this fertilizer, which i can tell you is domestically produced . mr. bagherzad says because it is economical and can be used in different places yes, maybe this is the reason why the presence

of the private sector in this field has not been strengthened until now, it is true that it has been strengthened, but now i have a question, you agree with the outsourcing of waste management to the private sector in full with the monitoring and the ministerial program that you defined for it. it is possible, at all, this thing that they see exists now . let's assume that compost can be produced from it, and they want to use it in the process of agriculture, for example. the method of these dear ones was right, so why do we have a legal problem now when it comes to purchasing compost? in general, when it comes to allocating subsidies to these, sometimes they say, sir , that the cost of electricity is the same electricity that the ministry of energy should

buy from these, so there should be another subsidy. there is recycling of our waste, which is now being debated by experts in the environment. they either don't buy it well, or when they buy it, they don't pay for it, or they don't give enough subsidy. actually, when they want to do the work, the private sector can enter into this process when the specialized banks say. banks whose work is municipal work have been given emphasizing on them, a specialized bank should come to this area to support the community, let the private sector come and say that the private sector will fully support you . why, because the profitability is low, it means that the operating model that takes the work to the private sector and the private sector wants to do this work, because it is not profitable , my bank will not come seriously, but if the municipality has its own shares, some banks may.

the municipalities themselves should come into this space. article 84 of the municipality allowed the activities to come, i don't say. let him directly interfere in the production, but this legal provision gives him authority . i can perform some of the duties of the private sector myself. now , tell me in the headlines what was the reason for the failure of the private sector in the management of the country's surplus. let me get the headlines precisely because the price is high. so the cycle is over.

sometimes, once a day, three times, four times , once a week. all because before this don't take an economic view and reevaluate this with a full environmental view. and take a comprehensive view and then carry out economic activities, just like you think, because we did not have an environmental perspective, not us, the municipality collects waste. for example, the municipality of tehran, which is close to it , collects 6-7 thousand tons of waste daily.

this whole collection of cleaning the city, green spaces, these are environmental issues, yes, but there is a point. the government should help the municipality in order to take the right path forward. they said that the city is sufficient for itself, the law of the city is sufficient for you. we eat the waste that is taken from the door to the house from the school to the workshop and goes into the consumption cycle, this is what happens. an economic backlog, and then the economic issue into the backlog or the issue of, for example , the project's backlogs, you know that i said that nearly 70% of these

need a lot of facilities in order to be able to produce electricity , so the government should come to support. it was made from this system. the most important thing is that we have to change the structure of the group of people who work in our back office , become more agile, and plan a little more. more people should have this issue and know that there is income behind us, it is true, jahadari people naturally have their income from other places, so they pay less attention to this income, so when it is less. pay attention, environmental issues will also arise, that is, you pollute the soil , you pollute the air, that's all. now, from, for example , 60 years ago to today, 70% of our waste has been buried . you can see the amount of waste under

the ground today. how much gas could it produce and let the methane be available to us? you say that if it is a matter of infrastructure and that liquidity is low now. liquidity which is in the city, if it wasn't there, do you think the problem would have been solved? it is an important part of knowledge, the cultural discussion is important , part of the work really should be the part of people who work in the same science with different specializations . garbage is what it means and today we are garbage in the scientific sense of the matter. there are various sciences hidden in it to produce gas, to produce fertilizer, to recycle other things for your soil. look now, i announced that nearly 60 million tons of soil will be buried, or something

else, or for example, a faucet. you know that each ton of garbage or waste is usually close to 150 kilos or 15. 50 liters. now let's say that it has 150 liters of sewage, so the water pollutes the soil. well , do n't you think that let's look at the issue from this angle? you don't want to be responsible for this story , the monitoring body of the environmental organization, and the environmental organization should have fulfilled its duties in this matter , not you, the management of our waste, who is now talking on his own, look at our organization in your service law, you have an ideal environment it is not in the law that the organization of the environmental organization he has the responsibility of monitoring the country's waste

. it has been fixed. how much do you think about his duty and monitoring? well , that's it. on the other hand, he says that the environment is being polluted. well, one of the places that pollutes the environment and one of the tools is this language , so the environmental organization must fulfill its legal duty. because this should be done by the highest authority of the government. it should have a special plan for this. well, the municipality has always been oppressed, but now

we cannot separate this problem, our environmental problem , from the economic aspect. let's say, mr. zero to 100 , do waste management on your own, and that is my environment, you are the ones responsible for the problem . my point is that you have to fight with josh. the municipality should do it, if there is a building , use the work contract. the municipality should have full and complete authority. for this space, my argument is this, and the most important thing is the mechanism of handing over the work to the work contract where it has full authority and full support. okay, the municipality can definitely do it more successfully, but the municipality should use some of its tools more, not only the municipality of the rural areas, but also because of the garbage that only it is not specific to cities. now, the municipalities can

encourage people to organize the dry waste through the incentive packages that they see in qbooz garbashman. but due to the fact that before they look at our economic activity, i say that environmental should be given, that is, public awareness, the first part of which is social and cultural exchanges in the municipality or social and cultural organizations with titles. in this way, in the whole country, those who are active in the field of shahria , they have the best position because they express the culture of the people from the origin of garbage. it is separated and handed over to the city official, not that sometimes the same things happen and lead to a thousand and one issues

. the short-term consequences of contracts. a short-term contract of one or two years is not profitable for the private sector that wants to make the necessary investment. the length of the contracts should be 10 to 20 years in order to be economical for the private sector in the fields of investment and culture. mohammad ali abdoli, university professor. management after all its steps from the beginning to the end should be handed over to the private sector. municipalities are not acceptable in monitoring waste management. municipalities

should determine the criteria and leave the supervision to the fourth agent. saeed muradikia, waste management expert , handing over the executive management process of waste to the private sector should be done by taking advantage of the successful experiences of other countries in the world and localizing it in our country based on social and cultural conditions. masoud ahmadi, director of the environment office of the organization of municipalities , in the waste management law, the executive management of waste is entrusted to the municipalities. it is not correct to value normal wastes and leave dry waste collection to the private sector in terms of the income it has. municipalities cover part of the costs of managing more waste with the income from dry waste collection . well, in any case, sir, look later

, mr. bagaz, now, we were talking to mr. baghersad when the dear viewers were watching the report. the moderator is also a supervisor . it is correct. we are discussing this matter, but now you you say that our problem comes from the fact that the environmental organization did not fulfill its duty in the field of supervision. no, it is clearly stated in the law that the environmental organization is responsible for monitoring the country's waste. yes, you said it. by law , municipalities have a part of the waste. normal waste is with municipalities. the rest of the waste is related to the devices that produce the waste . and whether we are saying the private sector, does a

private sector contractor really have the authority to fulfill his duties in the private sector? or not us we will define the framework for him, we will tie his hands and feet, then we will tell you that this work is done by the private sector, its powers are few , it is not possible to be a detour, then if we want , we have to make a real estimate, how much does it cost to collect , how much does it pay to the people, how much does it cost our machinery is outsourced with a view to contractors and the private sector. we are looking to tell you that it is not their right, why has such a simple matter not been planned for all these years, this is the point that his highness is saying now, for all these 20 years, we have had a law for 10 years, what is the implementation plan for? it has not been done

, why is there no logic to this story according to the words of his highness? informal and semi-official activities between contractors and municipalities, mr. baghersal has gone a lot towards the contractor, the contractor has good authority. if yes , if the contract was not attractive to him , what is the reason for all this competition to accept this responsibility? what is going on with all these municipal contracts? .

people, this is not happening, why is it not happening that the calculations that should have been done, how much should be given to me at home, how much should be given to the school, how much should be given to the school? of course, in the world , the valley of paswan lines goes underground, you know , there is no human access to it anymore, it is mechanized, it goes underground, the mechanization that was supposed to happen at one time was that the reservoirs go underground , there is no human access to it. let's not deviate , sir, where is this world, mr. baghersad, where is the background if you want to consider any country, see

where it is under the background . you have seen your management, you have dealt with it. anyway , it exists. look at all the honorable contractors . do you think how involved these people are in the formation of the situation? how should the work be handled? if you asked him for a task, if you calculated the costs, you gave it to him. and you gave him the costs and asked him, he certainly won't do anything wrong. now

, in all respects, now you think how effective is the influence of the contractors, the hands behind the curtain , the influence that is being exerted. now, i i personally think that if the municipality comes to do a significant part of this activity, mainly by itself, that is, mainly, the municipality comes through its own organization and companies, which is provided for in article 84, and does it through them, it will be more sympathetic. there is more expertise, less rent is formed, more hands are believed. no , the executive branch, if you want, today, for example , there are around 17,000 workers in waste collection in the city of tehran, only in mr.

bagherzad's department, now, the fire department , the taxi organization, the organization, i don't know, bus driving, this is your supervisory organization, in the supervisory department executive organization yes, how much did the bus go now? yes, it does part of the work itself, part of the work is provided by the private sector, so i myself am an executive organization. one day, see your organization as a hundred organizations. if you give all the work to yourself, today, when it cannot fire nirosha, it must be a process , not just a monitoring process. why are you after us? look, in article 84 , it says to form a municipality to do business.

witness the presence of knowledge-based companies, companies that work with modern technologies anyway , we are not in the country's waste management. the title of the consulting company is to show its role and capabilities to a body like the municipality, then accept the executive job, now many of the companies are very knowledgeable. let me tell

you what percentage of knowledge-based companies we have in terms of disposal, recycling, management, and productivity management. there is a university called pasman. today, in the country, we have pasman . it is currently being used in scientific centers. residue do one of the universities are weak, the private sector and knowledge-based companies are good in management. there must be a place to work . the scientific discussion of this matter. i remember something about 10 years ago , that is, not now. his own garbage was a group that had nearly 10,000 students, a university group, well, he came and did it himself, he came and had an output, only at that time, exactly at that time, four billion tomans at that

time, a university with a number at that time. he came to save money in the field of collection of taxes already he used to collect money from the municipality of that area, then he came himself, and just now, he created a university , but

universities like the islamic azad university have worked very well in the field of waste economy, and it has a model. it is interesting to know that i had foreign companies, some banks have their own subsidiaries that these companies can easily enter into our activities , but yes, but on the condition that before the

economic model of the banks in line with responsibility let's pay attention to this term social responsibilities and the topic of social banking means social banking , enter the expression of the private sector in this space. okay , agree or disagree with us in one sentence. we have run out of time to see what the presence of the bank's sector is and see which of these can influence the private sector, domestic and foreign. support 100 conversions.

we will be at your service again. it is an important topic. thank you very much to both of our guests, mr. baaqad, and mr. tabaraiyeh, but special thanks for your cooperation with the higher program today. have a nice day and goodbye.

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