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i would like to introduce the guests of the program to you, mrs. fatemeh nazari, the head of tehran's traditional nameless union , who is present in the program as a critic of ardonan's smart subsidy plan, and mr. mohsen shurideh, an economic expert, who is in favor of the flour and bread subsidy smart plan . let me be at your service, mrs. nazari god , what are your criticisms about this project? dear viewers, i would like to ask you to see that the plan was implemented in the month of bahman 141. it has been running for almost two years. it started a little earlier from arudi behesht. it started in arudi behesht. it will take time to explain.

then, when this project was implemented, the price of bread was analyzed in 1399 and the announcement was made in 140 , and it was clearly written in the price letter that the criterion for action is actually the above prices as long as the production cost does not increase. yes, the same as you are aware of the 5 main items that are actually costs the production of bread, which is paid and the rent of the place where the baker is working, the food is actually the personnel who work, the carriers of energy, and in fact, let me tell you that the transportation fee and now the dough, which is another of their expenses, these are a few items in it has increased over the years, that is, if you only consider your salary, it is 57 and approximately 2 to 30%, it will be close to 11. well, yes.

you see, the producer takes a raw product , carries out a process by that personnel, turns it into bread and delivers it to the people. well, this also has a profit margin. if the plan should be implemented, in my opinion , they would come first and update the economy of namwa and then implement the plan . well , let's hear mr. shourideh's opinion about this . i am at your service. god willing, mr. shourideh. i have strength. mr. shourideh. rahman al-rahim, greetings and courtesy to you, sir, and all dear and respected viewers , regarding the answer to your question, it is better to give an introduction and then enter. how about you

, they said that ardi behesht 1401, this plan is in ardi behesht 41 system, this is actually a yes plan. it was established and it was actually a step towards clarification it means that we now have bread as a necessary commodity . in fact, in the economy, this is elastic, which means that its elasticity is very low with price increases and price changes. it is not possible and it is necessary for the government and the government to intervene on this issue and have the transparency of this cycle , so in the first step, the establishment of the system happened and the transparency in bahman 401, which you said, bahmanna 41, the second step of the plan was implemented. in fact, the plan

was to allocate flour based on the performance of bakers, that is bakers who are based in fact informed.

in my opinion , as an economic expert, the benefits of implementing this policy that we did were more than the costs. in short, yes , we can say that the number of electronic invoices that have been issued is 7. it was a billion accounts, which means we had 12 million transactions per day the fact that they had a permit for a share of flour, but actually did not cook them, was clarified with this plan, although

this was postponed due to the infrastructure that was not available before, and the year actually started in 401, this startup is yes. the next issue, which i think is an important issue, is the amount of flour we save. now if we want to say the numbers, yes, we have an approach to the amount of savings. yes, we saved flour, and realistically, it is almost double this amount, about 3 million, if now the opportunity. ok, in the next round, i can tell you the details and the calculations and how to do the calculations. yes, mrs. nazari says that the consumption of flour has been saved and the benefit is more than the cost. what do you think

of this plan? first of all , what he said about the clarification, in fact , no expert opinion was taken from any of the ranks of the business plan for the drafting of this plan. in fact, this plan was not delivered to any of the unions, even as far as i know it has not been handed over from the authorities, so this is actually not possible clarifying about saving from 1993 to 1400 before the implementation of this plan was 9300 thousand tons of wheat, it is a difficult quota and now it has increased to 11 million . flour , of course, they said, "i told you about wheat. 20. yes , i will tell you. yes, this is how it is that more wheat is being consumed now, but it has been saved . how is it? i told you, so that we can look at it. in this field, it is a conservative view

that says a half a million tons of flour, this one and a half million tons, if we want to calculate it for wheat , it will be almost 20% more, it will be a this is wheat. a look is a realistic look , a realistic look, and in fact, if we want to show it, i have this diagram here. if i don't know which one, yes, the camera, if you show it , it will be clear to some extent. million tons yes , the consumption trend of the flour consumption plan before the plan, during the implementation of the plan, we consumed 85 hundred million tons of flour . yes, after the implementation of the plan, after the implementation of the plan, we can actually consider two scenarios. the scenario is actually a conservative scenario, a conservative scenario his workers say that after the implementation of this plan, we

reached 8.8 million tons from 85.000 million tons at the end of 1401. that is correct, this is a question for me. until the end of 42, from when until the end of 42, from the beginning of the implementation of this project until the end of 402 , the price of livestock inputs, the price of some

imported products , what are the consequences of this increase in price? there are non-consumable uses of food, livestock farmers and everyone use some guilds for other than the cost of eating and such. if the increase in the prices that we had the preferred width happened, this price increase would have caused our consumption of bread flour to increase, that is, i have this , but this has prevented it. preferred and 3% in the two years that have been implemented , how much water has been wasted, let me tell you that now the realistic scenario is that

you should look at the works that have a license and you have to verify that it is too much. they are claiming that i have an example and you should have it certainly there are, i, as an economic expert , now declare that i am. certainly , as the head of the group and union, you say such a case, which is not there, no, that is, we had it at all, it was active, and it

was not at all, no, tehran, no, you do not have statistics. not at all, not at all, not at all, at all, any dish that doesn't cook is reported, inspected , reported, notified to the summit and the governor , and the flour is cut off. the basis of other field issues are field visits or field reports maybe it wasn't reported 100, we don't say 100 was in fact a utopia, maybe i said that

this was a policy that has both costs and benefits , i will say it as the general outcome of this issue , now i haven't entered the details yet, i would like to tell you one thing. you say that the consumption of livestock is livestock . now, i will not announce the price. in the national media , please compare the price of dry bread . please compare it with the average price of bread per kilo. how much is the average price of bread per kilo ? it is 5,000 tomans. it's dry bread that people know , well, when we want to stop this it should be such that the price of bread is actually not lower than the price of dry bread, which is actually affordable for those who want to be criminals, god forbid , turn this into

dry bread and sell it. they know 10,000 to 15,000 tomans. now this is a very strange and complicated thing that can be exploited if the benefit plan is completed . completing this plan also requires the decision of the government on the issue of ardonan's economy. mr. mohammad rasool nazafti, executive director of ardonan subsidy smart plan. one of the most important goals of smartening ardonan subsidy is to prevent the supply of flour is subsidized in the free market. the implementation

of this plan helps that the subsidy provided by the government for bread is aimed at. it should not be consumed and out of the cycle, mr. amir kermello, active in ardonan field, the current management of ardonan's subsidy smart plan is wrong. every plan must be implemented in such a way that there is satisfaction from it. mostly, bakers are not satisfied with this plan, because in some cases baker's flour is reduced for unknown reasons and the information about what action will reduce the quota is poor. if the plan is smart , the baker should be warned at that moment an action will reduce its share. mr. mohammad jalal, advisor to the minister of economy, the implementation of the bread and flour subsidy smart plan will increase the share and access to government flour of bakers who have a committed attitude towards the supply of bread to the people , and their share will be in an increasing cycle, and

if the bakers exist that do not have the foundation to deliver subsidized flour to the people. out of the production cycle. i thank my colleague elhari for preparing this report. we have seen other positive and negative opinions about ardonan's smart subsidy plan. in any case, mr. shurideh is one an issue that experts have raised now. this is about a 40% allowance that is paid to bakers to help their economy, meaning that per loaf. do you think that it did not help the economy of nawa in the form of this plan? yes, the discussion was not enough. it should be discussed. the discussion of the economy of our name seems to be a separate discussion, that is , it is not just this 40, that is, it has not been seen in the form of the plan to make the economy smarter. i came here because we came here

, but this 40d is being paid to nambe in the same format as the executives said. that 20 thousand billion tomans have been paid so far until this implementation of the program is it enough? do you think this 40d is not enough in my opinion? well , in my opinion, the plan of ardonan's smartening plan must have flaws, that is , i say that this is where we are, and we should say its positive points, which are said to be negative points. i mean, i didn't come here . i am not a lawyer defending the ministry of economy or the relevant organization . yes, it should be based on what the prices of the production inputs are now. whatever i am talking about here, only the bakery, their yeast has become more expensive, and the cost of water has increased. and their electricity has increased, which requires them that the price of bread is fixed, for example, yes, if the price of the producer

sees an impact, the consumer will definitely see an impact , that is, the producer is the consumer , that is, we should not only look at the consumer , but not the producer, you see 40 as enough, i would like to tell you that the 40% that you say, because in fact, in our bakeries , type two is considered compared to type one , compared to type two, it is 27. then i would like to tell you that i don't see it as good enough, and another point is that according to the law of targeting smart, in fact , smart subsidy, smart subsidy, smart subsidy ardona. article 5 : i would like to tell you that the subsidy is for the consumer, the consumer is the last person in the cycle, but the baker is the last person left, and this should be respected . regarding the flour that you said , see that the flour of the fantasies has also been liberalized, it means that it has been saved from your heart

, yes, as you say, the consumption of the fantasies should also be separated. i wanted to tell the details, but it's not time for me to tell it because it's the flour of fantasies, because it's free they don't get subsidies for manufacturing anymore , fantasy and industrial ones don't get subsidies, now you have to reduce it, and then i'll tell you about the adequacy of the cost, which is not enough. now , my other question is that now according to the official announcement it has been said that 20% of the nominal flour quotas have decreased, the rest have either remained constant or increased. now you confirm this . at least i have the list in tehran. it has not been done, but for example , it may not be a novelty that has increased ok, we also had an increase, but let me tell you that it is not new that it has not decreased, that means that the increase was also an increase for a while, then

it came to a decrease, which means that the decrease compared to that starting point compared to bahman 1401 was a decrease, just one point. i should say in the plan, they said, we should say the good things of the plan , we should also say the bad things of the plan, yes, i will tell you that there is a bug, this system is a bug. now , we already had a jflor system, this jflor system, we used to enter it, it actually had some flaws that have been going on for nine decades. 10th, 15th, and 25th, who actually export their flour at 12 o'clock, when this jaiflor system came to the country, it actually got delayed a bit, because before, for example, it was only from the city to the city or it was from tehran, each peak was reached by itself. now it has become a country and the number of bakers is actually so large that this system is not really an answer and when they want to export the flour , they face

problems in those decades. i told this to the project managers that they should actually consider a system of their own let's assume that the date of j. flore is the 15th, the origin of nanino's date is the 25th, 10 days. there was a trend that i showed you the chart. since

1998 , in 1998, we consumed 81 million tons of flour. we continued this process. this conservative point of view says that we have a reduction in consumption of one and a half million tons, but on the other hand, when discussing the removal of the width , i told you that 9% is due to the increase in prices that

results from that area and causes the consumption to decrease. if our flour and bread should increase for consumption other than these two items, i.e. 3% plus 9% , let's calculate 12. we should have consumed 9.57 million tons in 1401. in addition to this, we should also know that since 1400 ad and 401 years ago, due to the events that happened in our neighboring country , the migration to our country increased , and please note that the statistics are not accurate, sometimes 5 million from the ministry of interior. we were talking about 6 and a half , we were talking about this, let's consider this as well . kurd, look at one point that exists now. you say that in fact, these quotas that have changed are accurate for namoya

. if these are accurate now, and the name of the plan is to make the flour and bread subsidy smart, my question is, why was it given to the governors at once in the middle of the road, a task that, sir, if you think there is a problem with the flour quota that determined based on ardan's subsidy smart plan, you can change it. well , isn't this a golden signature? is it a sign ? yes, some of them have been given this authority to make changes. but it's not a golden signature. look , i said that we can't say in the general process that intelligentization has gone completely wrong. no,

it's not like that. yes, i actually agree that it should be stopped . you can talk to the authorities of the project implementers and ask their reasons. it will happen, i would like to ask you to look at the amount of the quota that they said is actually 8 and a tenth to 42 and again the same 8 and a tenth. the tenth is almost the same as one. in fact, i don't know the percentage that was the same in the last 40 days as the 81st, which means that the change in the line was smooth. from 1400 to 1402, i want to give this example so that it is concrete, that is, we implemented a plan 2 years ago and we say what would

have happened if we had not implemented it, you are now saying that if you say that if this plan was not there, for example, it is actually a question of being nationals. we can't talk about that healthy argument, that trend in fact, i would like to tell you that the plan has been implemented now. let me give you an example of this in this context . the better the concept, the better it fits. now, gasoline is an essential commodity in our country, which means that the price of it is low like bread.

the example is empty, but the example is very close to me. now , you can see the change in the consumption pattern . why, as a customer, as a household consumer , when i see an expensive product, i buy 10 loaves of bread. it is real. i will come and go. instead of 10 tons, i will buy 5 tons. i will buy 2 tons khorram is actually similar to those goods , the prices of which are actually different every year in

your goods. this is the basis of what you are saying. the goods are necessary , sir. no, yes, it is necessary. i also consume as a customer. i come as a customer. necessary in the economy has a definition. an essential product is a product whose price elasticity is very low. medicine, if he does not use it now , something might happen to him. if the price is 10 times higher, he will have to go and buy it anywhere. those goods actually it does not make much changes, we have per capita consumption.