welcome to the afternoon conversation. as we had in the news, the zionists committed a brutal act in the horrific crime in nasirat region and injured or martyred around 600 palestinians. this action of netanyahu was carried out with the support of the united states of america, and the only achievement was the release of four prisoners of the zionist regime and the killing of several other prisoners by the occupiers themselves . after this crime, together with the people of many countries, the zionist asra families demonstrated in tel aviv and the cities of occupied palestine in thousands of opponents of netanyahu's cabinet. in the afternoon conversation, we are looking at the new dimensions of this let's look at a sad tragedy and answer this question : netanyahu. in which direction

are they going with the zionist regime? mr. kathirenjad is our guest in the program studio. but before we start our conversation, we have to say goodbye to the dear and respected viewers of channel one. if you want to follow this conversation, follow us on khabar network. mr. kathirenjad, hello again, welcome to you. well, we saw this terrible crime by the zionist regime in nusirat, about 600 palestinians were injured or martyred, and only four prisoners were able to be freed by the zionist regime . in your opinion, please tell me first why benjamin. netanyahu needs to continue these bloodsheds

in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful. greetings to you and dear viewers. well, in the last two weeks, we have seen that one of netanyahu's main rivals, benny ganses, who became a member of the war cabinet due to the war conditions, is an exception. if he is not a member of the main cabinet of the zionist regime , he defined an ultimatum that if netanyahu fails to achieve these achievements by june 8 , i will leave . are you free to be free? about 125 israelis being captured by the resistance forces, of course, i am saying that some of these 125 are alive and some are dead, but after all, the israelis did not know the fate of the 125 people. in this case, in

the last two weeks, another one of these prisoners was killed in israeli attacks, and the israelis , because they were reaching this ultimatum, and this could create a challenge for netanyahu, took an action of asking him to take action. which is so valuable for ganses to continue his presence in the war cabinet i can see the amount of opposition that

this case had, but what i want to see is the success of the forehead action. in your opinion, whether it was successful or not, we need to see how successful it was from several factors. well, in one of them, where 125 prisoners were freed, in one of them , he was able to free only four of those 125. how many people were killed and how many more people were added to the dead? this is one point. the next point is that we do not have the other 5 preconditions. the next point is that israel has a very large capacity of human resources their military forces entered, that is, our brigade, the 98th division, came in full force to support these forces, a force consisting of yamam forces, which is special for the israeli police, amanhai shabak forces , which are experts in military operations, and a team

consisting of these with the support of a 1988 division. and the support of lashkar 99 came. of course, apparently the americans also helped. according to the news that is coming from all corners, apparently , they used the pier that the americans wanted to build to help the people of gaza to land and take out the prisoners, but now the american army says no. he did not use it, but the evidence shows that the american forces even helped to confront the palestinian forces in this operation with a very large volume, two divisions. kamel, and now a few more units were able to free 4. this shows that this success was not so great . perhaps it is more interesting that such an operation happened. netanyahu came very triumphantly and said that we freed four captives. there should be a space. may happiness prevail in israeli society

, if by chance the most violent demonstration against netanyahu's cabinet took place last night. that is, there were many arrests, there was a lot of violence. in suppressing the demonstrations, at least in four cities of tel aviv, kfasa, ranana, kisqia , demonstrations of several thousand people were held in these cities, and there were interesting points in the talks that the opponents made. now, who has seen netanyahu accept responsibility for his mistakes , daniatom as a figure who has now become netanyahu's opponents. or in the kafarsabat demonstration, one of the demonstrators behind the microphone said that we four have happy news we heard about four captives, but we were immediately worried about the 120, because the israelis attacked so recklessly

that not only many palestinians were martyred, but many of their own people were also killed in this operation. the reason for killing mr. k was that , by the way, the zionist regime might be happy about the killing of the prisoners in the hands of the palestinians. a video with mr. taqvinia, an expert on west asian issues it is also true, mr. taqunia, hello to you. well, we witnessed that the zionist regime created another great human disaster in a terrible operation in nusirat. what is your analysis of this action of netanyahu? in the name of allah, the merciful, the merciful , i offer greetings, courtesy and respect to you, as well as your guests and all

dear viewers. see, the point i have to make is that we should analyze mr. netanyahu's personality correctly. mr. netanyahu one. he is a person who prefers his personal interests over the zionist regime , because the war has continued for the zionist regime ok, it's continuing for netanyahu's personal interests , please, no, your voice was cut off before, now we can hear your voice well , continue, please point out this is for the benefit of betanyaha rome, what could it be. yes, you see, mr. netanyahu was faced with a corruption case even before the al-aqsa storm operation, this corruption case was followed seriously in the court and judicial system of the zionist regime, and the only thing that prevented the investigation of

corruption was mr. netanyahu's judicial immunity, which resulted from taking over the position of prime minister. therefore, netanyahu is strongly trying to become the prime minister as a result, even before the al-aqsa storm operation, he tried to continue his prime ministership with judicial reforms, which he was accused of as a judicial coup , and even for life. it is not in the interest of the zionist regime , it is creating exorbitant costs for the zionist regime, but if the war ends, netanyahu

must step down from power because of the court case, corruption and incompetence that he did on the 7th of october and this blow was received by the zionist regime. and ready to deal with the charges. in the judicial system ok. therefore, in order for this not to happen , he is trying to continue the war at any cost so that the continuation of the war will make him stay in power. the important point here is that one of the important elements that guarantees netanyahu's power and his continued presence in the position of prime minister is the possibility of mr. trump's return, as a result, he is trying to delay the issue and bring the war to the november elections. . it will take time so that maybe mr. trump wins and his survival in power is guaranteed.

therefore, the operation that was carried out yesterday did not release 5% of the prisoners, that is, from several hundred, 200 to 300 prisoners four of the zionists who fell into the hands of hamas at the beginning of the al-aqsa storm operation were released only yesterday, so this number is acceptable. it doesn't matter, after 8 months of war, 8 months of relentless fighting, you free four captives, this achievement is not broken. but netanyahu is trying to turn it into a great propaganda achievement to confront his political opponents so that the option of war is still on the table and he can continue the war and overcome the political pressure of his opponents. so that this war continues and as a result his power and position are not threatened for the time being. ok with us

please, mr. taghbinia , we will get back to you, mr. kathinjad, mr. taghbinia , pointing out that netanyahu considers the release of four captives as an achievement for himself . before we discuss the reaction of hamas, i want to ask you if after 8 months and this ship. people inside israel are thinking about netanyahu's management in the war that the government has failed. in

the past 24 years, an interesting thing happened that was mentioned a lot in these demonstrations. his father realized that you are his father khune died and in the demonstrations, people were very sensitive about this issue that netanyahu killed the war and abandoned the release of the prisoners through negotiations. azad, so this cannot be a great achievement, considering that israel brought a large part of its military forces to the southern front in this operation in order to free only these four, that is , the operation that was carried out in rafah, we can almost say 24 clock next to it. it was laid and so much even in the gaza front

he could not appear with such strength, only in the same region, with the huge amount of crimes he committed, and another point is that the negative and condemning messages that were sent from the countries towards the israelis are also noticeable in many countries of the world. now, except for the united states and england, and those who are in favor, most of the countries in the world condemn this case, even egypt. on jordan, well , finally showing a lot of solidarity with israel , condemning it, for example, colombia banned the export of coal to israel . coal is very necessary for israelis to produce electricity. almost one-tenth of israel's electricity is supplied by colombian coal, even though it may not be a serious challenge , but it will be a challenge for them if they persist .

you have to wait and see if it will be hezbollah and other elements, mr. kathirenjad. well, you mentioned the international reactions of many people in the world, in european , american, asian countries, coming to the streets and condemning this crime. western statesmen did not even come and this recent crime condemning is the main question here. what should be the reaction of the international organizations and institutions that now claim human rights to this crime and why should they remain silent or if they take action , what should be the style and style of the international because of the influence that usually comes from the side of power and other countries are applied, unfortunately, in the past years, they have shown that they could not fulfill their role, but in any case, this cannot

remove the responsibility from the shoulders of the countries, governments, and nations, which should be used through this tool. my tool used after all, it is one of the tools that can bring pressure. you see, when spain, colombia, and south africa announced that we would join the complaint of south africa in the international criminal court, it was very heavy, the main component in the actions of the ministry of foreign affairs of israel. the past two decades have been trying to create legitimacy for israelis, which means that creating legitimacy for israel is very important, and these international efforts are an action that will go in the opposite direction and will deal a very important blow to israel in foreign policy , but these actions should be taken. that be a deterrent and keep israel from committing more crimes. it seems that such a thing will not happen because these organizations are almost out of their place

and have no executive guarantee for their decisions. well, we will take a short distance from you and we are watching a short one-minute report about the crime committed by the zionist regime in nusirat. the crime of the zionist regime has left more than 20 martyrs in this camp. statistics report more than 400 and the road to the hospital is full of injured. this happened while

this palestinian movement has announced that there are still many he has israeli prisoners in his custody and is able to increase their number. israel hayom newspaper reported that the soldiers of the zionist regime who freed the prisoners had entered the nusirat camp under the guise of a truck carrying humanitarian aid, and the driver was wearing civilian clothes. netanyahu tries to emphasize the view that it is possible to free the prisoners through military operations. ghazal badiei, sed and sima news agency. thank you , dear and respected viewers , we are following the recent topic of the zionist regime in nosirat, a midday conversation . mr. taqvinia, senior expert on western issues asia is still with us. mr. taqvinia, one

of the events that happened in the recent crime of the zionist regime. it turned out that the americans supported this attack and even biden openly announced that we are helping the zionist regime, and he provided the zionist regime from that beach and from the facilities that were available to carry out this disastrous attack on the camp and the market. well , not long ago, we had the american congress come and announce that it will sanction the judges of the hague court who ruled against the zionist regime . zionist support and lack of support in speech on one point and in action on the other , how do you evaluate these contradictions in america's behavior? look , the point i have to make is that you saw

the secretary general of the united nations a few days ago. he explicitly put israel on the black list of children's rights defaulters, and this regime was placed alongside groups like isis, and it was rightly placed , although this was done late, which means that even the international legal and political institutions are no longer supporting the zionist regime as before. they do not believe that this regime tried to destroy itself. azad is and is connected with dictatorial and domineering countries, for example he fights. well, the recent events

revealed the true face of the zionists and the face of their supporters , the united states of america, which considers itself the supporter of democracy and human rights and the united nations charter today. it is providing the biggest support to the zionist regime, despite the fact that the whole world is condemning the zionist regime, and this shows how much the united states of america is false and lying in its claims and this puppet regime that interests america's geopolitics in west asia is providing and is still supporting despite this the crimes, that is, all the claims that the americans made for human rights, human rights, i don't know, democracy, civil society, etc.

, were a big lie. today, america is dealing with the killing of the palestinian people in a very normal way. to support the people. gaza became a starting point for terrorist operations against the people of gaza, and it was used in yesterday's terrorist operation, and in yesterday's terrorist operation, about 220 people were killed, so with which human rights area can this be justified for the freedom of how many people, your zionism, how many hundreds? facing kill dirt and blood, injure 400 people 20. kill a person unless you believe that the value of the lives of these zionists is not equal to the value of the lives of the palestinian people, and i believe that

the americans have the same belief that the value of the lives of these zionists is the value of the lives of these four zionists out of the 200 people who were killed. it was much more . unfortunately, please let's go back to your previous statement and what is now related to the state. you said that binyamin netanyahu is seeking to drag out the war until the elections in the united states and hope for trump's support. today we can see that biden is supporting netanyahu in a different way. do you see a difference between biden and trump or not? trump doesn't exist, but in general , american democratic governments

interacted less with the right-wing people ruling israel, that is, they interacted better with moderates and leftists. netanyahu is the opposite of republicans and rightists the united states of america has a closer relationship with israel's right-wing parties such as mr. netanyahu, likud, mr. bangurir, and others, and we must consider that the difference in their efforts is their vision to better secure israel's interests, not that mr. trump or mr. biden is one of them. they are against israel, one of them is in favor of israel, not us. this is a wrong idea . their difference is about which movement can better

secure israel's interests. that is, mr. biden thinks that netanyahu is wrong with his behavior and his behavior model. he is doing it to the detriment of america's interests and interests. he is working and he is looking to bring in more moderate groups who can work with the democrats and follow their policies, but otherwise there is no substantive difference between mr. trump and mr. biden. this similarity between the two, do you think we will reach the point when the west will come to the conclusion that this zionist regime and this netanyahu are for us. he is not a solution maker and they take their own support from behind him. see, to some extent this has already happened, that is, until

mr. binden has this feeling towards netanyahu, but the point is that if america wants to take its support behind the zionist regime , israel will collapse in the face of challenges, and this is to the detriment of the interests of the united states of america. the collapse of israel is to the detriment of the illegitimate interests of the united states. it is in the region, so in many places, mr. biden, no

, i will do it, very well, thank you for staying with us, mr. taqvinia, the senior expert on west asian issues, mr. kathirnejad, let's go back to the cabinet of the zionist regime and the preconditions that benny gans mentioned, the most important thing for me is the release of prisoners. how much was berigans is important to netanyahu in the cabinet and he is trying to keep him and what is the reason for netanyahu's behavior, you can see there are several reasons why he is trying to keep beniganso. security means he was the chief of the general staff, eisenkot was the chief of the general staff, only in the benigan party there are 3 chiefs of the general staff and a few people at the level of the army deputy, it is a completely military party and naturally it can give good advice to netanyahu or at least as a thing.

advertisers can use it, i know i have a military figure in the cabinet because he is even my future rival, but still , i have this because he is in the most critical historical situation and he has to do this, but one point is that if ganses is removed from the war cabinet go out, will it cause netanyahu's government to fall? no, netanyahu's government will be with the same 64 cabinets, but the point is that jang's cabinet will fall apart first. and then, naturally , the departure of ganses will cause a part of ganses's supporters to support netanyahu's government because ganses is also in this government. these things will also come out completely and netanyahu's actions will become more extreme, because in front of ganses, netanyahu

will face and leave national religious figures who are extremely extreme, such as benguir and s. moutrich. ganses from the war cabinet makes them more powerful. when they are in power, the moderation in the society will decrease, although it is still not very moderate, but then that moderation will be severely hit and the government will go towards more extreme measures. because of this, naturally, he does not want to give more points to religious nationalities. but gances also has its own points want means he wants to win the next election for himself. and it will be easier , because of this, he does not take the responsibility of managing the war, the actions that netanyahu takes , gans puts all the responsibilities on netanyahu himself , which of course is the same, that is, it is really the case in israel that the prime minister is the decision-maker, not the cabinet. and it can simply be said that the cabinet is a party to give points to each other so that they can advance their competition, mr. kesinnejad, this

cabinet that is giving points to each other in a bigger position has a series of points to the west. we see that this is the question we asked mr. tagvi. we see that at some point this zionist regime will provide some benefits. for the previous world, my clear question is whether we can predict that in the future we will reach a point where the western world the united states should feel that this zionist regime is no longer beneficial to them and they will withdraw their support from this regime. you are seeing that israel has a different type of alliance for the americans, that is, you can now see that israel , america, saudi arabia, many countries in the region , and turkey have now actually established an alliance. but this cannot be compared with israel , it can be said in a way that it is an ally with israel