dear viewers of the economy desk , i offer my condolences. you know that the 10th mining productivity award conference was held today. for this reason , in the economy desk, we want to talk about the fact that basically when we talk about mining and productivity in the field of mining. what are we talking about ? what is the state of our productivity in the field of mining and civil industry and what are the challenges ahead to improve productivity in this field? this is important. the most common questions we will ask the guests of the program and we will get the answers. if you are interested , stay with us until the end of this discussion. table follow the economy on the news network. thank you economy desk. you are watching with the theme

of mining exploitation award and the challenges and opportunities facing mining exploitation and civil industry. here in our studio , mr. agha janlu, the deputy ceo of the iranian midro mines and civil industry development and modernization organization, is here and we will talk with them. also, mr. zulfiqari, the manager of the performance evaluation of the production department of the national productivity organization of iran, two of our guests are in this program. greetings to both guests . if you want, tell us very briefly and briefly which companies you will give some awards to and for what reason , i would like to thank you. in the name of god, i offer my greetings and respect to your excellency, dear viewers . and we had the civil industry. this is the 10th conference that is held annually. this is a specialized conference in the field of mining and the mineral industry.

in fact , there is a difference with other productivity models, which are mainly more general models, in this model, the types of productivity that are perhaps less valued in more general models are here. it can be seen that the progress that can be seen in the field of reducing infrastructure costs, such as electricity, water, or even gas , is seen here in regard to technology. new, which may still not reach a stage where they are very economical, but it shows that this is the stage that the industry can accept and invest more, or support professors who work in the field of productivity, even colleagues in the fields of knowledge. there is a committee that evaluates us who work in the mining industry chain complex, but they work here, every year, and based on that

, they evaluate the people of the project and the companies, and this it has become the basis that the companies can, on this basis , a performance report will be issued to them , so that they can improve their portfolio year by year , whether in terms of macro indicators such as production , utilization of production factors and investment capital , or in other indicators. like the fields of discovery research . these, maybe now, maybe this year , for example, they will not be seen that strongly in their financial indicators, but in the coming years, according to these teams, they are specialized teams in the field , they recognize that entering these fields of technology, entering these technologies it can be used for these projects give a proper improvement in the supply chain. anyway, what we should do in the area of ​​productivity in this area

is that we first target the removal of bottlenecks , identify them and solve this challenge , and work on adding value along with it. after that , its economic development will mostly come in these three stages, all of these will be checked, according to these , it may be considered suitable somewhere in the added value of the project now, but for now, within the next 3 to 5 years. it has an effect on the main productivity indicators of that company , but in this model, these can be seen and evaluated. today, there are about 40 companies in various areas and individuals were also candidates. in fact, there were 9 projects. the rest of the companies and individuals who were candidates actually improved productivity and increased productivity compared to previous years and were commended.

see what actions up to 40 companies or people to whom you gave an award have done in the field of productivity in the field of mining and mineral processing. or the professors who have even worked in the international fields. these were the things that i can briefly say that i was honored at today's conference. thank you, mr. zulfiqari. for many years, we have been talking about the national organization of behri and the productivity situation in the field of mining. we have been using the word productivity for many years. different officials

are talking about it. everyone is emphasizing the need to increase it, but what is our situation in the field of mining? now if we want to ask for numbers and figures in your presence with my index and width. let's discuss together , let's see where we are in the field of mining and mineral industry , what can i say to us in the field of productivity of numbers, in the name of allah , the most merciful, the most merciful. tip this is very important for the issue of the mining sector, which is in the 5-year plan law. seventh, development , many different topics have been discussed and studied very clearly, especially the topics that are now, for example, in article 47 of the law or article 48 of the development program law, for example, regarding the discussion of the performance metrics of production in the mining sector and the targeting of these

metrics. is it the issue of increasing extraction or development of rail infrastructure in the field of logistics in the mining sector or issues such as preventing the sale of raw materials, which is a very important issue in the mining sector, these are issues that are mentioned in the law of the seventh plan it is very basic in the field of productivity. see , if we want to look at productivity in the field of mining with a very broad definition, it is the effective use and greater use of the outputs of a mine in return for the inputs and resources that are being consumed, such as labor, such as our capital. as much as we can increase this ratio, so to speak , we are increasing our interest. almost according to the various statistics that are officially available in the country, we have seen a good and positive growth in the productivity of the mining sector from 1990 and from 1984 to 1401. we had, i mean, in the economic sector, not nine economic sectors, but one

there is a recovery in the mining sector, this is a positive and good trend. how much has our productivity been since the beginning of 2018? almost in 2018, the growth of interest and all factors was 8% . do you mean that we have 7% growth in the mining sector or only in our mining sector? we had a productivity that now, for example, in the 1990s, or it was 7. yes, no, the growth was 7. compared to previous periods, for example, in 1401, we had 12 percent growth in the productivity of all factors of production. this growth is the overall trend of this growth. it has been positive, but there have been various ups and downs in different years . we had the area of ​​productivity of the total factors of production , see what was the result of the component that was put in that area and so-called costs in the area of ​​productivity that can be measured, one is in the area of ​​employment growth and one is in the area of ​​capital growth, because

our employment growth and growth our capital decreased in 1401. now we want to find the root of various issues, for example, suppose employment growth. the productivity growth of the employment factor is achieved when, for example , our employment level decreases, that is , the employment level or the growth level of our capital stock decreases, that is, the productivity increases. it is found that the output of that mining sector will be paid for the capital or workforce that it has , this ratio will increase, and when we denominate from the decrease , we will have an increase in this ratio. almost in 1401 , the remaining ratio the economic sectors of these two parameters , i.e. the component of economic growth, capital growth and labor force growth, these two are completely incremental , having a very high growth because of what i said , that is, we analyze the fact that we had a decrease in employment and the exit of the labor force.

we had from the mining sector or our capital balance as a whole in general, the method has decreased, now it needs a little more explanation, which i will present my needs. but in 2014, we cannot necessarily consider this growth as positive because the capital has decreased, the employment in that sector has decreased , the denominator has decreased, and i hope that we have productivity. in our mining sector and the so-called output of our mineral products, when they have increased, well , their ratio with the growth of employment and capital, we can get a positive result from the positive trend, but we can get a positive result from it, but one thing we can do is from 84 to 1401 that you checked. what year did this happen?

in 1401, we are actually among other economic sectors, that is, for example, in the ic sector, in the field of cash transportation, in the field of agriculture, we almost had the highest growth in employment and growth in the field of mining, that is, the growth of labor productivity and the growth of capital productivity, which is relatively there were issues that i mentioned , that is, we had a higher labor force exit , so to speak. we had that decrease in the capital stock, that's why the growth has happened more. thank you, mr. aghajan. if you want, mr. zulfiqari, you can point out a series of figures and check them now. for those of you who are inside the work , what do you see as the most important criteria in the field of increasing productivity and at what stage do you see ourselves in the situation of our exploitation, do you think it is favorable in the field of mining and civil industry or do you see the need for further improvement? let me tell you, well, basically, the mining and mining industry

in our country has a very good potential . anyway, you know that this industry is mainly an energy-intensive industry. a country that has both mines and energy reserves , we are one of the few countries in the world that have both together. we have and this factor has caused that this field has been noticed and grown for for example, if you consider the growth of the steel industry, in the chain from the concentrate stage to sponge iron, steel, and even steel products , in the last 10 years, each of them has an annual growth rate of nearly 10%, sometimes above 10% or 9%, which means you can say average. 10% right now, the steel industry is one of the industries that can fully achieve its 1404 goals. find out, because now it has a capacity of more than 50 million tons. by next year, a series of units

will be put into production, that is, the designs will go into production. we can say that it is one of the few industries that will reach the goals of 1404. really, our productivity does not increase in this area, as i am active in this area and reach the numbers. i say, look, we have something over a billion tons of mining operations, 12 billion tons, for this we need a series of mining machines. let's provide what is needed. one day , finally, the country's transverse problem and these are the machines of the production line, these are the machines in fact. the production line is not used by the general society it is needed, but unfortunately

, we do not know the amount that our mines need. the next issue is in the field of mines. anyway, in your opinion, the discussion is important , one of the first reasons why we brought productivity and the low productivity in the field of mining and civil industry . say that the machines are not up to date. second , look at the topic of automation. in any case, the world is moving towards self-driving machines. this is the reason. what will happen, energy consumption will decrease, production efficiency will increase. right now, in some mines , we have done a part of automation. i don't want to say that automation is like navigation. in fact, we optimized a very simple amount , we can see that our energy consumption is decreasing. in the mines of one or two mines, the reduction of energy consumption

is very significant, or we even had a 15% increase in production. what exactly did you do intelligently , see the movement of the trucks , from which part of the front, from which part, they were able to remove the stone. where should they actually deposit instead of actually? tell the driver every morning that you have to go from this dump, actually from this work front pour it into this dump according to the conditions and traffic of the mine itself, it is clear that it is high, and when the tires

move at a controlled speed, as an important factor in the price, the depreciation will decrease . putting all these together, we will see that there is an improvement. it is possible to reach a general interaction with different departments . anyway, here is a production line that needs productivity . this is an issue in the field of mining exploitation. considering the capacity that the country has created and has the potential to increase, we are still slow in the field of exploration, from permits to the machinery of the field of exploration and exploration operations so that it can be transformed into a mine, this is also where a single window, which was once considered

, was never formed in such a way that it would be a single window and we could move the work forward in the mining field. due to the wear and tear of the machines and their lack of up-to-dateness, my colleagues and i in the mining group prepared a report on the same subject. by the way, if you agree, let's go and meet and come back and continue our conversation. most of the mines are due to the lack of machines. the statistics of the ministry of silence are one billion and 500 million tons of the volume of mining operations in the past year. we have all kinds of iron ore and steel mines, the extraction of this amount of minerals depends on equipping the mines with all kinds of heavy and fresh mining machines. one of the main concerns of those who work with the mining industry is the constant wear and tear of these machines when the machine the machines are worn out, this causes the speed of mining to decrease, according to

the officials of the ministry, the main challenge in this is the wear and tear of the machines. it is active in the field of mines, which includes more than half of them. 15 thousand cars over 20 years old that need to be replaced. now, how to supply and replace machines from domestic production or foreign markets is one of the most important issues that civil operators are dealing with. we have to carry out localization. we should rely on local knowledge and basic knowledge of domestic companies. from one. the domestic manufacturers are concerned about the guaranteed purchase of manufactured products and placing orders according to the domestic capacity. last year, hebco area had orders for more than 35 different types of loaders, mining trucks and bulldozers, most of which were produced and delivered.

on the other hand, the activists of the mining sector still believe domestic production of machinery. madani alone is not the answer to the country's needs. domestic production in one part may be able to bear 10%. the rest needs to be imported. to solve this problem of maintaining a balance between the needs of miners and supporting domestic production, we told the domestic producers that our duty is to support you , but there should be one in fact. there should be a percentage of competition and support for miners. the goal of the 1404 horizon is to produce 750 million tons of all kinds of minerals. achieving the goals of the vision and achieving 13% growth of the 7th plan requires the renewal of the depreciating fleet and

worn -out mining machinery. how much is the lack of up-to-date machinery as one of the components of production with the reduction of productivity in the field of mining and civil industry, and how much can this backwardness damage the productivity that we are considering? look , in the field of mining, in addition to those processes in the field of mining, exploration and processing it happens that the discussion of logistics and carrying cash is a very basic issue, which means practically the majority of the costs. which is in the field of mining sector, in the field of transportation, whether it is transportation within a mine or transportation in the area of ​​transportation, and that is the so-called transfer of minerals between maad. or in the market and at the level of the economy , there is a point, the more we can raise the technology of the capital level in the field of equipment, that is

, the technology of our equipment will be higher. we will have productivity growth in our capital stock it will increase, but as much as these are depreciated, those depreciation costs are repair costs. maintenance of the costs of stopping the production lines in the field of mining, the more these costs increase, it actually affects the decrease in efficiency and effectiveness in the mining sector, the increase in overall costs and ultimately the decrease in productivity, that is, we want to say that the relationship between these is linear. in the same way, how much we spend, as i mentioned, a major part of this cost is the cost of logistics, moving and transportation , how much these costs are due to various issues , such as the decrease in the efficiency of the equipment and machinery, whether in terms of maintenance costs or depreciation in the field of equipment, these will

cause our productivity to decrease. we also saw that mr. metsham said a lot in this program, we talked a lot about the challenge between car manufacturers and importers , the same issue that he mentioned about where we are now in the discussion of cars and now that we are almost at the end of the 13th government. we will go back to where this renovation story came to mining machinery fleet, yes, i would like to say, unfortunately , the modernization is not going well now, because anyway, if the standardization had been done well, we would have seen better conditions in the field of mining production , unfortunately, we still could not achieve that very appropriate interaction between domestic producers and the needs of the industry. look at the country that

becomes the seventh country in the world in terms of steel capacity, they can't continue to work with a 30-ton truck, well , maybe a 130-ton truck is too small for them , or you can see it in egypt now anyway. fortunately, the country is in a leap in the field of egypt we had very good discoveries, a very good reserve of 20 billion tons of egypt's reserves with a content of about 54 million tons, it is necessary that the current capacity of egypt should be tripled for this tripling with old machines, even though we deepen all these mines and machines that have the capacity if we want to bring the mineral out, it is not possible at all. i want to say that we are still stuck in this loop that domestic production and supply of these two to some extent or sometimes supply from outside causes

the domestic production to be hit or domestic production causes the supply of production line equipment to have a problem. unfortunately, we still could not solve this challenge well , we need to work on this more, and our domestic companies, god willing, should be able to, which means that they should be helped. it is clear that the rest of the producers should be helped by the government. the big ones in the field can have a cooperative mode, they can produce all kinds of large-scale problems. really, a country that has potential now has a prepared sector that wants to jump. with the machines of 20 years ago , he could not achieve them 30 years ago, so how many of us in the field of machines are our fleet, which is very worn out.

more than 15 years, in fact, its life is 15 to 20 years, now the world has problems over 5 years later, it is not used , it means that it has been 5 years, they are sold in many places in the world , but how old is the average life of our car now, maybe more than 15 years. from the fleet that we have in the field of cars , it is now worn out and needs to be replaced or repaired, or you can see that an estimate was made. in a 5-year plan, something in the billions of dollars in this field should be the minimum that we have to spend , whether it is in the form of production. in the form of provision , consider something like linear yearly , for example, about 400 to 500 million dollars. we have to spend money in this field and allow the machines to go into production, or we can import them so that our production line in the field of mining is not interrupted. how much of this 5-year plan.

the replacement of the machinery of the mine gate was done. how much of that investment was realized? well, one of the other challenges that causes us to reduce our production to our capacity is the issue of supply, which is also suitable for providing this supply. now, it has become one of the concerns , that is , decisions are sometimes made outside the scope of the position, but this currency and that look in indeed, expertise. to the production of some places, well, now there are probably other problems that i don't know about, the provision of which will make us unable to reach our goals, and if there is something that i will explain later, you can't give a number, but tell me how much it is, as you said, 40,500 million dollars a year. the exact number has been achieved. now i can ask you for the

exact number. thank you very much mr. zulfiqari. as mr. janlu mentioned, the more we increase this added value , naturally, we will see that our productivity has increased. let's increase the increase. you have statistics. you can see that almost in the field of added value, in the discussion of madan , our trend has been a positive trend, in general, that is , a good trend in the country from 2004 to 2001. now the statistics are very clear and reliable statistics. we had the most in the field of mining and mineral products and in years like 1995, 197 and 1400, this growth was actually negative, that is , we had a negative growth in our added value during these different years, but in general, the trend that shows paying attention to the share of the added value of the mining sector in the total gdp and the discussion of net domestic production

that in 1401 we had two half-years and we had the largest share of the entire economic sector. in the field of mining , you also have the statistics of 1402, not because those financial statements and financial circulations in the country have not yet been finalized. in our country, the latest reliable statistics there is 141 years for labor, capital , etc. what do i want to say, for example, about the field of labor? in the year 1401, we were close to 50%, which means we had exactly 497 growth in the labor force, so this can be interpreted, what does this mean that the level of employment in the mining sector has decreased. it means the cost which means that more production was done with less labor. exactly, this is the ratio of that supply to the ratio of that input. here we actually have labor. we are talking in

constant conditions, that is, when we say in constant conditions that the assumption of additional action if we are in a steady state , we consider gp as a specific and fixed number, when the level of employment decreases , the productivity of our labor force increases, or for example, our capital stock, we need to find it. the productivity of our capital increases, which is now a combination of these we consider the inputs and those factors of total production . in other words, the total productivity of our unique factors will be included, as i said , now, depending on how much of its share is considered in the mining sector, in the field of capital and how much in the field of labor , i will determine the productivity of the total production factors. thank you for one thing. mr. aghajan lo, now after the machinery, you mentioned in the field of using modern technologies, how much our mine is now, how much

it needs to be improved, we talked about this issue in various programs of the economic desk, for example, a we had a plan about the mineral bottles that are currently in the world, they are using them , they are optimizing their use, we are still far from that ideal position, let me tell you that one of the important parts is that we have to move towards new technology. i told you that one of the issues of productivity is the added value, many times the added value comes from this place . many basic metals are produced more than domestic consumption in other words, we are an export-oriented country, so in order to be export-oriented, we must be able to develop our markets . the world is moving in the direction of

green industry in many industries.