tv [untitled] July 25, 2024 10:30pm-11:00pm IRST
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dear viewers, have a good and peaceful night , god bless you. in the name of god, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world. today, before we have the case and discussions of tonight's program, according to the program, on the 29th and 3rd of the installation of the gaza strip , we will see the latest pictures and developments of the past 24 hours in palestine.
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, now the first case of tonight's program, yesterday, the ministry that the country and the german police attacked several islamic centers and mosques and closed down some of them , the most important center that was attacked and closed was the islamic historical center of hamburg. we see together this islamic center that was attacked by the german police.
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they came to collect everything that has a trace of islam and close the door of this mosque. before this incident, this place has been the place of religious ceremonies, festivals and mourning for muslims. that too from 1332. anyone anywhere in the world can be included this is the saying of seyyed al-shahda, may femen kana be with us forever. be hosseini, be ashurai.
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german police have attacked other mosques in hamburg, frankfurt, munich and other islamic centers in 53 places in 8 states. the news of the closure of these centers has been confirmed forever. we shut down the hamburg islamic center because it propagated extreme islamist beliefs. following the action of the german police in closing a number of islamic centers, the german ambassador was summoned to the ministry of foreign affairs. since the beginning of the war against the gaza strip, german muslims have seen more and more police brutality in this are the country ghazal badiy of radio and television news agency now, to investigate these attacks, we want to have a conversation with mr. glenn dizen, professor of political science
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at southeastern university, mr. dizen, hello , can you hear me, thank you, i can hear you tonight. even though the statement of the german ministry of interior did not claim that this center had committed a violation or a crime, i would like to ask you the first question about the violence used in these attacks. . recently done, including the suppression of protests to the massacre of gaza many times occurred in this country we are witnessing a series of police violence in germany, in situations where there is basically no justification or need for that violence
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, because according to the report of its internal institutions, the german police in this country has systematically gone in the direction of freely using violence for use suppression. it is the jews, and among them the palestinians, who have to pay the price of this settlement, we see, that is why we see the german police using extreme violence against
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the demonstrators, and in the meantime, there is also a lack of accountability for the police. it does not and this is the reason if we see this among the german officials, one of us saw the former minister of finance of germany who protested and criticized the behavior of the israelis in germany against the palestinians . now we see the police doing this too, they behave very violently towards the demonstrators and no one calls them to account . this is actually the police acting according to what the german political system wants. they even put pressure on journalists to cover the events in gaza, and i have to
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let me say that targeting ordinary citizens because of events such as demonstrations are a very strange thing that is happening . it has never happened before, but now it is happening again and the number of them is increasing. and i can compare this behavior to an authoritarian behavior. mr. dizen, in the meantime, one issue. it is interesting that we have these attitudes and methods from a western liberal democratic system . in general, liberal democratic governments claim to support freedom of expression, freedom of the media, freedom of assembly, and religious freedom, but when they experience
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if we examine the last few years in particular , we see that these supports are a time when people benefiting from their freedoms cannot create a real opposition to the official policies of the government. obviously we have some examples. one was the removal of russian media after the russia-ukraine war when the west wanted it. you should present a single account of the incident or prevent various freedoms in germany and europe when people oppose their support of their government's support for israel , or when necessary, remove content from social networks and delete people's accounts. when in they are against the official policies of western governments. what do you think about this issue, why at a time when freedom can really work. lead to the formation of a different and new view in the society , liberal democratic systems prevent this pluralism
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. in fact, they control it , they advertise a lot about freedom of speech, they support it, but when now in a situation where germany itself has helped to start a war and is helping to continue it. that freedom of speech is no longer news, and in fact, i am talking about the same issue of the ukraine war, which is happening when the same thing is happening in palestine, and germany and... are against this genocide by israel it can be done, he keeps silent and is only an observer
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, he allows these events to happen and on the other hand , he also confronts the demonstrations. freedom of speech was supposed to be viewed as a sacred phenomenon in german society, but we see in some cases which is against the general policies of the government. it can be dealt with, they violate it very easily and so do we we were supposed to be supporters of human rights, supporters of freedom of speech in germany and against the genocide of the genocidals. at that time, well, now the issue of anti-semitism was discussed. germany said that we were fighting against the jews. but we see that this support is only in those cases, and when
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things go against the general policies of the german government, it is very easy to violate the principles that are emphasized on them. well, as i said, it also happened with the war between russia and ukraine. and now we see that those principles serve the interests of the german government. thank you and a question i also have a conclusion from you about the degree of independence of some of these governments during their actions , especially the german government, which is the subject of our discussion tonight. some say that germany, after the defeat in world war ii , is under the influence and political domination of america and israel more than any other country in europe. how serious is this influence on germany's approaches and decisions ?
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well, i don't think that they are very independent and have independence, because after the second world war , the germans had a period of occupation and the soldiers of the forces. americans are under pressure to be there for a while and the germans became very dependent on america in terms of security, and this security dependence turned into a political dependence. with the passage of time and after the cold war, the germans actually gained a little more self-esteem and tried to increase, but now we see that germany
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has cut off its connection with russia, china and other economic centers, and this will cause their dependence on the united states to increase again . it is possible and this makes them unable to make a decision independently from america take it is hard for them, they are under pressure and they actually could not get the independence that they were on the way to get. they are going back to that past period again and again, and in my opinion, our economy is now very much under the influence of america, and i think that yes, germany is not considered an independent country now, mr. glendizen, thank you for participating in this conversation with khabar network
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we want to continue to see a long report at the same time this week that the german police carried out attacks on islamic centers and mosques, and in the cases of these attacks, they were very violent, and in the series of attacks using 800 police forces, the issue of police brutality in this country has been discussed a lot, to the point where one of the german channels, deutsche welle , prepared a report on the collection of these brutalities. and dubbing that we want to see together. are the police using excessive force against the protesters? videos like this have been published on social media, accusing the police forces of targeting the protesters. such as the protests of climate activists
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and people who express solidarity with the palestinians they do. demonstrations that are related to palestinians we receive many requests from people who were victims of widespread police attacks. most of the protesters are very respectable people and they just want to do their job. but something has changed over time. you understand that i am saying that with the change
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, and forcing people to kneel, touch their noses, mouths , and eyes, and hit their faces. stomach tracing and a long list of these actions that have become normal for the police. in some cases, the police have violently cleared demonstrations of supporters of palestine from the streets due to the lack of restrictions, such as chanting "azbar to nahar". while many believers see these protests as a call for equal rights for palestinians, the ministry of interior in germany
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sees it as a symbol of all visible people . freedom of speech and assembly is considered as one of the basic rights, based on which our democracy is defined and based on it, because we as a person or in connection with other people in the street can let's express our opinions and create a balance against the political majority that ignores certain minorities and that is why it is very important to protect this right and not suppress it.
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we are also investigating the actions of the german government and police against islamic centers and mosques in this country. this time we want to go to berlin itself to talk with mr. harley eschlinger, a german political activist and speaker of the schiller institute. hello mr. schlinger. the statement of the german government in the statement of the german ministry of interior about the banning of the activities of these mosques and centers, there is no mention that these institutions have laws. germany and defects have committed a crime, instead, the german government itself, in its statement
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, knew the reason for its action against these centers of their islamist ideology and said that this thought is different from the values of the german government. we are not facing a legal issue and the issue is ideological in nature. what is your opinion? what do you know about the motivation and purpose of the german government's attacks and bans? i think that the german government has actually adopted an anti-iranian strategy, and this is actually an example of what america is doing, if you watch netanyahu's speech to the us congress yesterday . netanyahu said that israel is at war with iran and america is also at war with iran. america and germany also have the desire to
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implement the same demands of america, and as far as i know, the german government has never done anything. he did not provide evidence about the illegal activities of those centers and mosques , so i think so. this incident is actually a sign of the extreme reaction of the german government without having any evidence. thank you . another issue that is raised here is that the ban attacks are a decision that the german government made independently. either foreign governments such as america and israel dictated it to him or even behind the scenes of the zionist movements that spread in germany. they are playing a role. in your opinion, how was this decision made? how much influence and dominance can these currents have in germany? well, to a large extent, america
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tells the german government what to do and what to do. germany to schultz sadr. germany said to deploy long-range missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads towards russia and place them in germany, and now we see that the german government is doing the same as before. he has come and is supporting the israelis and from the same principle. the house is supporting israel all the way to the sea, and these actions, well, this was actually an example that i
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told you about the gaza war. now civilians and innocent children are being killed in gaza, but israel has come and wants to target hamas and hezbollah , and this action of the german government is in the same direction , putting pressure on islamic groups. thank you, mr. eshlenger. i asked the previous guest of the program about it. we also had a report from germany's two achley channel about mizan the violence that the police. germany, the government of this country is using it in its attacks, we checked this, now in the middle of the closure of these centers, there is a point that this closure could have been accompanied by a simple court order or a civilized execution , but the german government decided to use special forces. take the police to the place with scary masks, some published pictures even show that they
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had an order. if you have a search warrant in germany , you can easily enter that place and search . there is no need to break and actually do violence. this behavior is actually an example of the incidents that are increasing in germany, this behavior is dangerous because they are actually promoting violence with this method. this
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can even cause the reaction of islamic groups because they also expect the government to finally provide their security. well, yes, as you said, the german police government attacked the demonstrators who came to support the palestinians who are under attack. being that israel was protesting , it attacked them , it dealt with their peaceful demonstration like that and destroyed it. failure and this is the overreaction i mentioned i did. ashlanger, thank you for accepting this invitation and the conversation we had together. i thank you too.
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