after azadi square, in front of tehran, head of household appliances city. in the name of allah, the merciful, the most merciful, i offer my greetings and courtesy to you, dear viewers, companions of the khabar channel, may god bless you wherever you are, as you are informed and informed. the programs of the proposed ministers are reviewed, and after that, the ministers

will take a look at our programs in the public forum and in the form of a debate program, we will review the programs proposed by the ministers and also review the portfolios of the previous ministers. and also with the presence of people's representatives in the house of the nation , we will review these programs in the form of one in favor and one against islami, who is in favor of the proposed minister of energy, and mrs. zahra saeedi , the speaker of the parliament's industries and mines commission, who is against the proposed minister of energy, mrs. saeedi, hello , you are very welcome, i offer my greetings, courtesy and respect to you . they see this program i am happy to serve you. i am free days.

i am at your service, the noble nation of iran. please, you are very welcome. both of you are very welcome . dear viewers, let's see the part. we will come back and find out the program with you. from sharif university of technology, a master's degree in the same field from tehran university, a doctorate in mechanical engineering majoring in control from khawaja nasiruddin toosi university , his educational background. mr. aliabadi, besides teaching in imam hossein (peace be upon him) and tehran universities, he

is the president of maleke ashtar university of technology, a member of the education committee of the supreme council of the ministry of science, research and technology, a member of the higher education planning and development council of the country, and he was also in charge of the management of karkheh and karun 3 power plant projects. the proposed minister of energy also has the national director of the iran water and power resources development company, the deputy minister of power in electricity and energy affairs, the managing director of mabna company and the ministry of industry, mining and trade of the 13th government. well, as i said, in the debate program of this program , we will review the performance and program of the proposed ministers with the presence of the representatives for and against the proposed ministers in the same way. as we have seen in this section, in this program we have a look at mr. aliwadi's record and plans as the proposed minister of energy mrs. saeed , let's start with you as mr. aliabadi's opponent . from you are welcome

and of course mr. nakhim , we will follow the discussion from this point of view. another characteristic in the field of water and sewage, of course, is that i am old there is industry and i am the commission of industry, but the ministry of energy has a duty in the field of water and sewage, and its situation is characteristic of the budget and its credit . it has a duty in the field of electricity. and it also has a duty to support our future generations, such as building dams and these issues, which it has to drive in some way, that is , it has to guide the other ministries in a way , to create a model so that you can see, go to industry, go to agricultural jihad. wherever you go, the ministry of energy is in a high position and i think that it is one of the most complicated ministry of home affairs because people's lives depend on it. it's not that it will be closed, finally, if there is a damage, a

furnace will be closed. the life and death of our dear people depends on the ministry of energy, and this requires the sensitivity of the honorable representatives to be stronger in this field , and this has made us even more sensitive that a series of information which is in the specialized field of industry, and considering that i am also a faculty member in this group , the area is also completely industrial , it has nearly 500 factories, and 10 months in the ministry of sands is enough for this nobleman's performance, i think 10 months is enough. a minister can work for 4 years . at most, how many ministers did we have for one year? they have been criticized for years, but now i am talking about them, what is the reason for my opposition

? we will see in 8 months, 10 months from now. it is not good to criticize him . it's important for me, but expertise is also very important. let's see what you say is the problem with the minister, where was the deputy minister , where did he go, and what did he do? this should not be a resume . it should be defined by the people's track record. let's move on or not. the track record is very brief if we want to talk. let's say that

there are two areas of water and electricity under the management of the ministry of energy, naturally due to the many challenges that we face today. we are facing an imbalance both in the water sector and in the electricity sector, which unfortunately is increasing year by year . this year, our electricity imbalance reached something like 17,000 megawatts. last year , it was something like 19,000 megawatts. this year, almost 5,000 megawatts have been added. it was added that if we examine rome in the past years , we see almost the same situation in the water sector, which is obvious , we have many problems in the issue of water diplomacy, in the issue of border waters, and let me say that in fact, the issue of excessive evaporation of water in our country and there are many issues and challenges that we will talk about at the right time if necessary

. tell us about the indicators that will be introduced, what indicators should have, see the ministers, well , they should have a series of general indicators, that is, all ministers should naturally have the spirit of jihadi work and i would like to tell you that i should naturally discuss the efficiency of expertise and necessary experience, but in the discussion of the ministry of energy , considering the challenges that i mentioned, which are really serious challenges, mrs. dr. saeedi also pointed out that the ministry of energy, if something good happens, will we see it in all different levels of society i have a picture, that is, when you see the inefficiency, we see the problems, we see that this will be solved anyway. in different parts of the society, including in the industry , people's daily life and many other issues, but the fact is that the minister of energy should naturally have complete mastery of the laws and policies of the country's water and electricity sector . i would like to ask you to

have education and expertise related to the field of water and electricity and the ministry of energy and to have the necessary efficiency and to be accepted by the staff of this ministry. anyway, see the ministry of energy is one of the ministries it is completely specialized in the country, yes, and we have very good elites and experts in the ministry of energy , in the body of the ministry of energy, people who sometimes speak , not at the national level, but at the world level. i would like to say that the ministry of energy is at your service with this choice. he wants to happen, it is very decisive. just tell me one sentence that your agreement with mr. aliabadi is based on the plans presented or his record, just say this, then we will hear your explanation further. i agree with both plans. you also mentioned in your record that you are against them based on their record

. because i don't believe their record at all, i felt that it is nothing more than an illusion. god willing, i will say. however, i was a main indicator, mr. hosseini. a main indicator is the anti-corruption indicator of a minister. to be able to make decisive decisions. making decisions means accompanying corruption . it hurts that all these people are actually cold-blooded. look, if you go along with corruption, you are either corrupt yourself or a collaborator with them. or carelessness , carelessness and those two cases, all three cases, in fact, i

don't say all three cases, which of the three cases gave the same result that i saw this concretely, that is , i saw it concretely, i can now say that i can raise it case by case. in fact, you can see this year in the board, i can enter into the discussion in your opposition, in the opposition, why is mr. aliabadi opposed? adaptable to me from the field first of all, if he didn't have expertise in the field of industry and came to work in industry and was an energy expert, i'm sorry . he was asked where pakistan is, he came to pakistan and he said that matraj has land or matraj actually has this number of people, then he said where afghanistan is, he came back to pakistan and explained and said that afghanistan is pakistan's neighbor. the fact that we are not going to go there, i say the problems were the law of organizing the car, you are the situation of the law of organizing

ask the experts about the car to see how effective it was. we have a law, the law of maximum use of domestic power, that is, the law that domestic manufacturers, the most important law that domestic manufacturers and support for domestic products , can give numbers to it, sir. majlisu research center, you agree that my words are not those of someone else, of course. mr. nakhri, my teacher is great, we are a good brother, we are talking, we are experts, i have expertise in the field of documents, i would say that he must be an expert. in the ministry, give 20% effectiveness. now, how can i ask the children of the research center to think, for example , that their decision-making model was mim, which gave weight to the index. and based on the weight given to the rulings , you will get this result, for example

, they will probably have an input now, for example , they are successful on the basis that they have no competitors, they say that success is a place where one is one's own person and god is no longer successful. tony, tell me whether it was successful or not, that these are actually knowledge-based companies that are related to us in terms of water purification, for example , energy discussions, those processes, satisfaction with them. if they don't have them, give a report on how much the foundation's knowledge companies have actually supported, and i will say one more thing in the approval of the law on smuggling of goods and presented by the council of ministers in 1400, how many clauses were actually approved in article 8 he said that the income from the export of petrochemical products, steel and non-ferrous metals should come in the second half of the system . he said that they can specify a series that

they can exchange, that is, they can export cars, import anything, and import the parts themselves, and they came to form a working group. and said that if something is to be added to these, it should be the working group that is formed will have 9 authorities, and those 9 authorities will see. after all, those 9 authorities will listen to another specialized device and say that the 9 authorities should confirm it. he added mines to the steel chain. look at the mining until the cabinet of ministers really knew that it had no affiliation . you can see the situation of gandela. in 402, the cabinet of ministers presented the same law. in 403, he was finally in charge of the industry, or should he be in the cabinet of ministers? he went and tore the collar, he said, "no , i didn't send someone to take this, and then the offer came." giving that those mines that are pellets and there is a surplus of constantizers and these, see if there is a need inside

, you could tell them to supply the surplus to be exported . now you go and see what the situation is like. why, because they have to import half of it, but buy everything at the price of free supply, in any case, this was a case that don't bother to add, go and see the situation of the surplus of gandalah and kanstansara and these are more constant and what is the state of our country . they are not satisfied. dear ones who specialize in this field know their own dissatisfaction and definitely if someone is satisfied in this field. we take their words as a criticism of the excellent work in relation to the action kelliabadi, which you mentioned , goes back to his ministry, and mapna, more to the ministry, yes , mapna, see mapna, he has no rival. yes , now, if necessary, he will explain about it. no, mr. nakhaei , we are your excellency's service. you mentioned that you are in favor of mr. aliabadi's presence in the ministry of energy, both based on the program and on the basis of performance. in this regard

, please explain to each other about the points that ms. saeedi made. if you have an answer, please let me know. well, we hosted mr. aliabadi today the commission will present their own plans in detail. we will make a decision on the last day, wednesday, because they will come to another meeting. they will come again . the field of the ministry of energy has presented a reasonable program to them, while you can see that mr. aliabadi farouk is a mechanical engineering graduate from the best technical university. sharif university of technology, he received his master's degree from tehran university and his doctorate from khawaj nasir university, three of them are among the best universities in the country. i studied mechanical engineering, and by the way, i also studied with khawaja nasir. you all know that electrical engineering and mechanical engineering

are among the most difficult engineering fields. this shows that they have a high level of memory and elite skills. this is one point. second, when you look at the resume of mr. aliabadi , you mentioned the experience of working in jihad construction, the executive management of the company . first of all, a part of this was explained in the program of the iranian water and power resources development company. see the field work of the deputy minister of energy in electricity affairs. the staff work of the ceo is based on 14 years it is not really the case that basa has no competitors , ma shir. coats similar to the base, not that we had competitors similar to the base in the country at the same time as the base, see where they are. they are government names. look at the basis of what happened

, which company is yours, mr. dr. company, because i heard that there is no competition, you compete in the field of electricity.

they could not compete with him because of the excellent and favorable performance that existed in the base let's look at the achievements, see what happened in the field of electricity, what happened in the field of production , see what happened in the field of production, once upon a time, we dreamed that this was the basis of the productions that happened during his management period. this is what i want to say . yes, i am saying this as a mechanical engineer . indeed, one of our dreams was to produce turbines, especially parts of turbines such as turbine blades, which means that it has reached self-sufficiency, which is the monopoly of a limited number of countries in the world. in this discussion to self-sufficiency, i went there myself and visited it . we went with the energy commission. we visited it. what wonderful things were done there. the year before he became the minister of industry, you were the one who

managed there. electric cars. in any case, he is currently piloting very special tasks, and he tried to introduce the same performance and this ability in the short period of the ministry of industry, which he is currently at the helm of, in a way, and now they have started a series of works. we we have to admit that i really need to present to you the challenges of the field of automobiles and the challenges of the mining field that the doctor mentioned, these are big challenges. we cannot expect all these challenges to be solved in a period of 10-11 months, and in any case , only when you look at the process . let me tell you that when you compare the events that have happened in the last one year with the same period before them, it is really a

positive trend. that i have a positive regard to i remember that before he came, why did mr. fatemeh amin get angry because of these extreme fluctuations in the price of the car, the troubles that the nation had. not that all these problems have been solved now , but the process is more suitable, that is , what i think we faced a positive process during his presence. south khorasan is known as the area of ​​nah bandan and sarbisheh. anyway, this is the paradise of the mines of that province and even for the country of granite. it is famous there, copper is there, iron is there. look at the measures taken by, for example, imidro, which is a subsidiary of the ministry of industry

. compare this one-year period with the past. actions were taken in the past, not that no action was taken. what was the positive thing that happened in imidro? imidro's discussion in the discussion of assignment of zones, discussion of increasing the depth of exploration of mines, assignment of some inactive mines. good measures have been taken . the rescue factory is now really a big industry . i said that. i say it's a trend. growing and positive, more time will come, but i think that in this period of less than a year, he has performed relatively well in the ministry of industry. the point that i want to point out here is that now the issue is actually corruption, mrs. doctor. we know that security devices are a multifaceted issue. there are different people playing a role. my minister, the matter is one win. i don't know what exactly is the issue. now this should be further analyzed, but look at the

speculations. anyway, i myself was an executive director in government agencies. that sir, so-and-so is corrupt, so-and-so, but until it is proven, a sentence will be issued for you to deal with him, which should be done now, if i don't know exactly how much. yes, it should take a week, two weeks, three weeks, one month, two months, three months , four months, 5 months. after all, it is not under the control of the minister. the judicial system is the core of the judicial system . he didn't have a duty in front of him. say , one month, two months, 10 days in between , sir, here is this branch that i am talking about i don't want the manager to tell you right here because it's open and

mr. n is finally the government. i brought the government manager safe and sound to him at 56:00 in the morning. the problem in the commission. created, we wanted to invite the ministers, he said that for example, i brought a head from the government department and explained to them, either he said it right or he said it wrong, see if it is right or wrong , you should form a working group and tell him to check whether this is a mistake or not, if people if dear ones, if mr nakhai, dear doctor, i am saying wrongly, how much should he leave one person to represent himself and the ministry of housing for that job ? look

, i have an example of corruption. don't bother that gentleman , don't call him, tell me to call me, or someone else is in charge of following up on this, so what was the person in charge of following up on the outcome? well, it was definitely not corruption . when i found access to him, i went and told him that you are my father i am your daughter, he said, he said my daughter, which i announced to them yesterday , if i was the father of such a father, his name would be written in red line on the birth certificate . i am proud that i have a culturally retired father. my daughter said that i told them that i should never deal with my stepfather again . until the commission came, none of my cases were personal, the cases that could have been documented are the cases that should have been his duty to check whether they are true or not, he

has no right. spend from the treasury in his device to make a decision, look, i don't want to hit anyone in particular, i don't know who is to blame, but whoever is to blame, they should have the opportunity to go to the security agencies, i really accept the children of the ministry, so far there is no mistake from them. the set of ministries itself would be much better if it became a governing body, but what i have seen from this gentleman is quiet. i saw it myself, i saw it with my own eyes, i just happened to go and said ok, you, i will cooperate with you in the ministry of industry, i will come to the commission of industry, but there is no model at all, sir. don't scare the representative, i am not afraid of anything other than myself. this explanation you saw is for the short period of the current parliament's work . after the election

, how many times have i been in burj 12, and in burj 12 ? you are an expert in the field of energy and i have a lot of respect for you i worked in the automobile industry, i worked in the tv industry, i worked in the oil industry, and the work of the ministry has a problem, there are brokers and high rents, we all know it, people know it, i know it, we all know it . you talked about the first phase of the election which was in esfan month, and you talked to him again after the vote of confidence in the credentials of the representatives of the official opening of the parliament. in any case, this

will be a lesson. and mapna , you had a criticism, mr. nakhei, they agree with the report card we want to review them. we want to review the program. the issue of corruption is an issue that naturally needs to be fully investigated in the judicial system . you mentioned various institutions, which intelligence systems of the judicial system must reach a conclusion in order to be able to say whether or not this was the case. what can you do mr. aliabadi and he didn't mr.

hosseini, look, what i said was the delay in decision-making, now i'm saying that maybe the case that they came for our transport guys , it's really not right for them to criticize me, for example, with these friends. ok, that's all we know we don't know what happened, what kind of follow-up mr. aliabadi was, for example, i spoke with another person, so please allow us to hand over this issue to the responsible agencies. let it be investigated independently , while he is the manager, in fact, it is not one year or two years, he has been managing for many years in this country, these places in rome, which i mentioned as the deputy minister, and i don't know the ceo of manabi water and energy development company. iran and the company itself based on the presence of 14, you see, it is one of the same honors you can see that his honors are clean, no, i

didn't say that he is corrupt, but he is. let me say one thing that the answer to all this issue is that we should discuss this issue at all. mr. aliabadi may be strong in business, but he is not strong in the executive work of executive management. they believe that they have been successful based on their management, let's check separately. check what indicators say that this management has been successful. i told you to look at the achievements. compare it with the basis after mr. ali , you say, where did you get to, see the discussion in the ministry of energy, according to the division that is the management of power plant projects, well, this company.