well, in tonight's special news talk , we are going to examine the option proposed by mr. bizikian for the position of the ministry of foreign affairs, mr. dr. seyed abbas araghchi, and we invited two guests who are in two positions. different mr. moqtadaei, the honorable representative of the islamic council , as a supporter of the proposed option, and mr. sabeti , the other honorable representative of the islamic council, as the opponent of the proposed option , we will present the discussion almost in the form of a debate to your presence . greetings to both honorable guests, mr. muqtadaei , hello, good night, you are very welcome, and peace be upon you, in the name of allah, the most merciful, the most merciful, at your service

i greet your colleagues, who are working hard, and all my dear readers who watch your program. god bless me, god willing , i will be able to serve you properly , god willing. thank you very much, mr. thabiti. may god almighty bless you and all my dear viewers and dear colleague mr. dr. moqtadaei . i hope that tonight's discussion will be a useful discussion. god willing , i, the host mr. sabeti, who was also your host before this, am thinking about this on isfahan network. work done the reason for your agreement and your support for the ministry's option abroad, the doctors introduced mr. araghchi. it is true, we

heard recommendations in the presence of the supreme leader that a minister who wants to come must have a set of characteristics , be trustworthy, be honest, be religious , believe in the islamic system, have hope for the future, look positively and that the horizon of the future in fact, it will help to improve the situation. now, along with some other features , all the ministers who are now in the parliament with this fair approach are trying to put a balance on the bottom of the scale, because the people have entrusted us with a common responsibility, now, mr. president. we have that is, mr. president, the responsibility of introducing the vote of confidence rests with my parliament members. the truth is , if you had told me a month ago that i should have been patient in this program, but now is the time when

we heard the minister's words in the commission. we heard the criticisms that are proposed to the minister when all the ministers came to the commission, and we have heard their words, and here we have put the expression of the people of the people, who listen to the fit , in the balance of fairness, when we say whether to vote or not to vote, it is between ourselves and god. we and the people must be responsible. a representative is the best the situation is to clearly say whether i will vote or not. i am in this position , now i can give compliments and explanations to mr. araghchi as the candidate proposed by mr. president, and because they actually told me that you should come and tell the people your opinion, now it is your service that you said motivation and in fact why this to this.

dear people, no, no , i will tell you the reason for your agreement. the reason for your agreement is that the criteria we have now for a person to be able to work in the field of foreign policy, mr. araghchi , have been presented to us 10 options that have not been presented to us, one option. we either have to say yes or we have to say no . mr. araghchi is an internationally recognized diplomat, which means that he has been appointed as the minister. if he wants to call the foreign minister of turkey, the foreign minister of armenia, the foreign minister of an african country , the foreign minister of a european country, he doesn't need to look at his background, his family, himself, they know mr. araghchi, they know him. . this is the first tool that we can use. the second point is that mr. araghchi is a total executive.

decisions can be made there on political issues it is not necessary for a foreigner to ask the supreme national security council to say who this mr. araghchi is and where he has been . they know him, and mr. araghchi also knows the supreme national security council. the national security and foreign policy committee of the parliament does not need to say who this mr. araghchi is, mr. araghchi. i know him, we can only have a bet with mr. araghchi , we can say to mr. araghchi, sir , take this point of view of the commission into consideration, or what do you want to do here ? we presented them in two meetings

specialized means that we sat for at least 3 hours and talked about the topics that were here, the criticisms that we had, the words that we had, and now based on these, we see that mr. araghchi, for example, on page 11 of this series of programs and his suggested programs, said, "i want to follow good neighborliness." in this way , i will expand the field of diplomacy. with these approaches , i will advance the economic diplomacy, which is the table of the people and the interests of the people . i will move forward with these coordinates to strengthen national security with these features . it is, and because of the program that you believe i am the right choice, he is rejecting it. god

, it's very short . he has introduced a person that i, as a member of the parliament , have nothing to do with which committee i am a member of. thank you very much, mr. sabeti, the reason for your opposition to the proposed option, and what is the ministry of foreign affairs, in the name of allah, rahman al-rahim, i would like to explain this point first that we have to judge based on the records and records of people . after all, dr. araghchi appeared in our commission today and we had a relatively detailed discussion and almost a challenge with some of his colleagues, of course, while respecting we talked politely, they gave explanations, but after all,

they have a track record, mr. araghchi, mr. moqtadaei, they are right, they are a well-known person, and because of this, we are of the opinion that we should not vote for them. it is that we have a phenomenon in the history of the last 10 years called the jcpoa many people may know what it is, many have only heard of him by name, but based on the studies we have done in this case, the work we have done during this time, because i myself was the subject of my doctoral dissertation, that means i had to read it line by line and work out how to do it. it is a bitter experience that this should not be repeated, that is, you see, it is nothing for me to say tonight that i took it at all , that since a believer should not be bitten twice from the same hole, we should not use this wrong approach that

has been repeated several times in the past decade. we experienced being bitten again, see what this means, mr dear khosravi 92 mr. rouhani became the president, he said , "people, if i win the vote, i will negotiate in a way , i will remove the sanctions, eventually the problems will be solved , the sanctions will be lifted. many people think that everything will be cheaper, and for the first time, he got an unprecedented permission in his government, which let him negotiate with the american at the level of foreign ministers, what was the result in 100 after years of negotiations and agreement on the jcpoa of all economic indicators. when the government changed , the sanctions that were 800 became 1,500 sanctions, which means almost twice as much as the foreign minister whom mr. araghchi was his deputy, which means that dr. zarif was gone.

he should cancel the sanctions. in the end, he himself was sanctioned when he went to new york to visit mr. takht ravanchi who was sick. the most sanctions are the worst economic indicators in the 8 years that we negotiated with america to cancel the sanctions , and one of the people who sanctioned was mr. araghchi, i have no personal argument. just today in the commission, i honestly told mr. araghchi that i am speaking live on the air, i have no doubts about the good intentions of mr. araghchi, he must have gone to make an effort to reach the country, but well the path is wrong because when my intention is good, it is right , but it says that i want to go from tehran, for example, to isfahan , if you take the wrong road, go to hamedan , you will not reach isfahan, no matter what you do with honest intentions, you are going wrong, you are going the wrong way, why do i disagree with this araghchi? because i don't know their approach. umm, and i believe that today in 1403, a few days before the vote

of confidence that we are having, we will talk to each other, if the same thinking prevails again, the same path will go forward again, we will come here in 3 years, we will clap our hands and say, sir, remember the dollar. only it was 60,000 tomans. now, do you remember the ban ? it was only 1,500. it was so much. i mean , i can see with my own eyes that with this order, many bitter events will be repeated again. we will remind you in the parliament. this is my reminder . you are a fair person, my friend. see, you are talking about the jcpoa. yes, i am one of the drafters of the strategic action law in the parliament where your excellency was not present . we did something to turn the weak point

into a strong point. there is no doubt in this. it must have been a very good law, yes, a very good law. it was good, the supreme leader also defended him , yes, very well, so i, who am sitting here now , my approach is characteristic of your excellency, my brother , see all the responsibility that mr. rouhani's government must accept, at least in this meeting, i expect you to be fair you bring all the burdens of mr. rouhani's government, all the responsibility of the previous minister of foreign affairs, put it on the shoulders of a negotiator who went to the meetings and then say that you are to blame for this. this view is not a complete view of the story

i don't claim that mr. araghchi was a decision maker from zero to 100. i don't have this organization, thank you for accepting it, but there was a puzzle called berjam , which mr. araghchi must have been one of the most effective . after all, we can't separate mr. araghchi from them, since mr. araghchi has a track record, it is possible that he himself is very proud of these issues, and then we want to agree on this matter by force. do i serve the dear viewers or now judge with the dear ones who this program you see, this question may be a serious question for many people, that mr. araghchi and any other diplomat is just an executive, that is, policies are decided by the national security council of the president of the ministry of foreign affairs, and they have to implement this. it is not a wrong word, but it is very important for us to understand the story correctly. mr. moqtari, you

know better than me. a diplomat is not a bond. a diplomat can be effective in a series of big and small issues , what does that mean? that is, even if we accept that all our diplomats from the beginning of the revolution until now are nothing but executors, they would say something to them. this can be done. mr. araghchi , has he been a good leader in the jcpoa debate or not? i believe not here. on what basis was it, am i making a personal claim or is it documented ? i spoke to the leader of the revolution on april 1, 2015 , in his talks at the shrine of imam reza (peace be upon him) in mashhad, when he said that the foreign minister, mr. zarif, came to tell me. we were not able to maintain all the red lines of the system. well, there must be a presenter here is there a problem? or let me give another example. from 1997 onwards, trump unilaterally

withdrew from the jcpoa, and while we repeatedly said, sir, this agreement is full of problems, the president should be changed, and they laughed at us. they say no, can't mr. araghchi himself have a conversation? at that time, they said on channel 1 that we wrote about trump in a way that trump can't get out of it. well, the forecast was wrong, that is , he didn't have the right realism, he didn't have the right realism about the story. later, when trump went out in 1997, he said that it was a wrong move by the rouhani governments okay, he went out, now we are going to negotiate with europe, when all the economic indicators got worse. revival of the jcpoa in the rouhani governments, the various negotiations in vienna lasted for one or two months in 1400, why in the end those negotiations did not come to a conclusion because a series of red lines were not implemented. i'm coming to you, so here it shows again that the presenter has some problems. while i

respect them, my issue is not personal, it's an approach , it's a record, it's a performance, i want to say, well, mr. moqtadai, why do we have to be bitten twice from the same hole, i am talking to you here , as the elected president of the nation, mr. bezikian has the right to nominate him as the foreign minister , but why should we forget everything after 3 years? let's start the same path again from the beginning. mr. moqtada's repetition of this movie, you and me, will stay here if mr. araghchi gets a vote in the parliament. hey, it will be read again. it is clear that you really like the story or are we looking realistically? please see, i want to use mr. sabeti's own statements and invite the judges to be fair and let's see who is

speaking more accurately. can you prove something to me ? i have the courage to say it. his people are right, i am wrong, but did n't he say that he is not a robot diplomat? you said it yourself, yes , my brother, he is a diplomat who is not in the position of the minister but in the position of the deputy minister in the negotiating team. no supreme council. national security, supervisory groups like the national security and foreign policy commission , the president's house of ministers, the rest of the departments tell him that you are going to negotiate within this framework. yes, at some point you may say that this gentleman was

a minister and he failed. he was introduced to the parliament as an experienced diplomat. i look like a member of parliament. i see that in the summer of 2019, we saw the americans coming to the trigger mechanism and saying that we want to present a general idea. after coming to say that we want to do something. supreme national security council september 130 99 prepare a draft later in november 99 in the national security commission, that is, we came to the parliament and said that we want to enter the wrong or incomplete or non-operational policies of the five steps of the previous government

. we want to stop the five, they couldn't do it, now i'll tell you which one it was. people, during this process, the martyrdom of fakhrizadeh also happened. we also came and made a law. that law was very good and we took rome in front of the americans. mr. araghchi has negotiated. yes, today mr. araghchi will come and get a vote from the parliament. tomorrow, one day after the vote is taken, he is a minister. i am a member of the parliament. i can come and ask the minister questions and say what you told us in your program. you said what was your duty, i wanted to show the program to the people, but you didn't do it. i want to ask a question that might help the discussion, that is, you just let me finish my sentence because i want to close the discussion because someone is listening to us now. put another channel and i will finish this, so in such a situation, this is justice. i say that the work of mr. rouhani's government

was wrong. i am a professor of international relations. i wrote a book, but i must be fair and say that the proposal presented to the parliament today by the minister , in his own words, is another dear who wants to make fun of me, he is not a robot, he has a recipe, so if you accept this , please accompany me here. rabat, contrary to the text of dr. dr. i meant that it is not rabat and i am more , maybe, well, no, i mean that the supreme national security council ordered yes, foreign minister, president, well , you don't know this, what do you mean by the robot? who will it be communicated to? finally, to the president, to the foreign minister, to the diplomatic apparatus, now it is being communicated to different levels

. assume that i am now a member of a team that i want to go to negotiate. i have a boss and i have a subordinate. when i am ordered they say do this. how much weight do i have to be able to say no, i don't say all of this or that, but i say, we have some experience. well , there were some instructions, doctor, look, i'm trying to be honest and very documented. you see, the jcpoa was full of problems. this is why i'm saying that when it was signed in july 2014, in october 2014, when the leader in fact, the revolution is a kind of permission to announce it, to give it implementation, to add 28 conditions to the implementation of the jcpoa , you know what it means, it was a disaster . there was a part of the conditions of the 9th parliament, which was recently chaired by mr. larijani. it was associated with the jcpoa. he also added a series of conditions to it. this is so bad. at one time, it was the conditions of the leader, that is, giving an agreement

to the leader of the revolution, which has 28 holes. what is the result? mr. mokhtari, you know better than me that many of those 28 conditions were not implemented. he really hasn't canceled the sanctions, you don't go to them, they are the ones who make decisions and

have powers higher than the minister of foreign affairs. let's say sir, this side seems like it doesn't want to do this at all. what you see, for example, at one point, the negotiating team is praised by the decision- making authorities of the country, for example, they say, sir, these are zealous, these are religious, these are productive, well, a part of it goes back to yes, these gentlemen are part of the errors and problems you are right. is it time for mr. araghchi, the deputy foreign minister, to answer, or if someone has to answer, the president, when the security council

, the supreme security council, when he issues a directive , he has a committee, so finally , let's ask them these questions. we were just talking now, no, he said that he committed a sin in the eskandeh scandal, he said that he committed a sin in the blacksmithing scandal, regarding mr. araghchi's failure to act as the chief negotiator in the framework of the policies that were assigned to him. supreme leader of the revolution although they tried to comply with many of those things , they were not successful in their output and performance. i said that the leader of the revolution has a statement saying that

the red lines were violated. i want to say that the leader of the revolution always seriously criticizes the results of the performance of these loved ones , that is, this is the policy of the leader of the revolution , the officials always try to appreciate them, they say you worked hard, we also say, we say mr. iraqi hand pain, he really worked hard in front of those five in addition to being cruel, you went, sat, sweated, and negotiated the result of your work was indefensible. you see, the leader of the revolution said that the jcpoa was a pure loss. in 1400, when mr. rouhani was leaving, in his last meeting with the government, the leader of the revolution said that this approach of yours

in the field of foreign policy was an example. that both our viewers are pious and fair people , and our presenter is the right person, we actually have a difference of opinion here, look at my question, my brother, i will ask you three questions, and then you will also ask me a few questions. you wanted to ask me, in response to the first question , is mr. araghchi a trained diplomat or not? he

knows how to sit in front of the other party when he is the minister or he the american official, unconsciously, of course, they say that when he punches the ground, his pistol is thrown like this and bounces towards the iranian diplomat , who is sitting in iran with culture and civilization and with the identity of the american 203.

and in fact, i want to negate the character of mr. araghchi , but i want to answer very openly and morally , that if he is a trained diplomat according to these criteria, i think that mr. araghchi is a more trained diplomat than mr. araghchi, based on what i know, in the body of the ministry of foreign affairs, even with a reformist view. they know him, but he can respect me, and he has experience as an ambassador. i don't know if he was in finland. i have been in japan. i know more experienced diplomats than mr. araghchi. if your criterion is one year

, of course you may say, mr. moqtadai, if you were to introduce someone, what would you do ? well, i am not in the same position as you are. the president has introduced 5 people to us now, maybe i said that the second person is better and the fifth person is worse. it is not like this . i want to vote tomorrow morning, not saturday morning, sunday, monday, next week. i am looking at introducing this gentleman. my first question to you was mr. varzid. the government had said that i jcpoa countries if to

their actions are not working. i will increase my reserves of heavy water. he said in july 2018 that i will remove the limit on uranium enrichment . in fact , i will modernize the arak heavy water reactor. i will increase my research and development . he said in november 2018. it was that i will stop the restriction of enrichment in ford , i will start gassing of ford's centrifuges, these negotiations were done by kia, it was done by the same one. the five steps did not happen in his technique.