in the name of allah, the most merciful, i offer my greetings and courtesy to you, dear viewers of khabar network , we are at your service with another program of the debate. according to the routine of recent days, after introducing the ministers proposed by the honorable president to the islamic council, we have a look at the debate program. regarding the work plans and performance of the proposed ministers, in the presence of representatives who are in favor of and against the proposed ministers

, we are going to talk about the performance and the proposed program of the honorable oil minister mr. paknejad in the studio of mr. ahmad moradi and mr. mustafa nakha. e members of the energy commission of the islamic council are present. mr. maradi will speak as a supporter of the proposed minister in this program, and mr. nakhei will speak as an opponent of mr. moladi. well, you are on the radio and television of khabar network and this program is a good debate . mr. nakhi, courtesy and good time. in the name of allah , the most merciful, i also offer my greetings to your excellency, your respected colleagues, our dear colleague, mr. moradi, mellat sharif of iran . no, we are a member of the commission, a member of the commission okay, let's see a short segment, we'll come back and start the debate. the proposed oil minister, mr. mohsen paknad,

has a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from tehran university and a master's degree in industrial engineering from amir kabir university of technology. mr. paknejad, in addition to being the advisor to the minister of oil and the head of the fuel supply monitoring staff of the ministry of oil, manages the development plan of gas fields, supervises the export of petroleum products and technical inspection of the ministry of oil, and is a member of the board of directors of the central regions oil company. iran has also managed the planning of this company. the proposed oil minister is also the deputy integrated planning director of the national iranian oil company, general manager of monitoring the export of petroleum products of the ministry of petroleum, managing director and vice chairman of the board of directors of the iranian oil trading company known as niko, member of the board of directors and vice president of production affairs of the national iranian oil company and deputy minister . naft

has a track record of monitoring hydrocarbon resources. as you are aware, the proposed ministers have attended the specialized commissions of the islamic council in recent days and expressed and defended their proposed program and also answered the questions of the people's representatives in the islamic council. mr. moradi, energy commission. in the meeting that he had on wednesday, he announced his opinion, darbar paknejad stated the opposite opinion that he did not vote in the committee on the day of the meeting, now according to the internal regulations of the parliament, a good thing has happened , so more time has been given to the proposed ministers and also, if the representatives who have any questions have doubts, they should raise the options of the ministers who enter , i.e. the options of those who are in the specialized commissions

, they have twice the time of the bid markets that the regular commissions go. it was a good thing for the discussions. we were also in the commission and at the head of the meeting to raise the service of mr. dr. nakhi. now they are talking about secret voting and they didn't get the necessary vote in the commission, but what happens in the commission means the vote that was taken and they didn't vote creates a requirement for the representatives in the field or simply. an advisory opinion will be as a specialized commission. yes, an advisory opinion, like the main vote and those who agree to speak in sanni , mr. president.

nah, let's have a very quick overview of the tasks that the ministry of petroleum is responsible for in the country and the person who sells and distributes crude oil, petroleum products , natural gas, and supplies feedstock for petrochemicals. these are among the main tasks of the ministry of petroleum, which the ministry of petroleum is responsible for. the sovereign party has the duty of supervision.

considering now these points that i have mentioned, which include a wide range of duties, and on the other hand , the current challenges of the country's oil industry, which more or less all my people are actually concerned about, the issue of gas imbalance, which has caused a lot of damage to the country's economy. and now various other topics of disagreement gasoline, the problems we have in this field and many other problems that we are facing in the oil industry today require that the person who is supposed to be in charge of the ministry of oil, who is actually placed, should have an acceptable record , that is, a track record. the activities that he has done in the past, finally , he should have an acceptable record, and also a strategic view

, a macro view, a strategic view of the future, and a description of the tasks and the work he wants to do. mr. paknejad as minister the proposal of oil is based on the work plan that is presented or their performance and their track record or both can be as a service to your excellency. they are now in the energy commission of the ministry of energy, the ministry of petroleum, and the atomic energy organization. these are the ministers who are proposed and the indicators they should have. well , first of all, it is the duty of the president to come out from among all the opinions of individuals and individuals.

let them introduce it, just as it is the same as mentioning the ministry of oil from the ministry of important houses of the country, well, as a rule , there must be a capable person who can solve the challenges we face and give us a reassurance. energy, well, we have to define those indicators. we sat down and had this summary . now, as much as my time allows , i will explain this in the sense that in defining the duties and powers of the ministry of oil , mr. i would like to point out every effort both upstream and downstream and at your service the entire production process is explained and then i will tell you that this collection as the representative of the government, not the representative of the government, according to the law, the representative

of the government, that is, this product and this crude oil , which is the product of this issue, which raises the sensitivity and this. we sat down and said, sir, if we define our own challenges in the field of oil and gas , then after defining the challenge, let's say, sir , let's define a task from the field of the oil ministry, and then, according to that person, the government or a person of the president introduces let's discuss the method. in my opinion and in the opinion of some colleagues, you can see in the ministry naft point out that all of sevak.

in my opinion, maybe the view of all colleagues of the ministry of oil and the wish of the colleagues of the ministry of oil is to have someone of their own kind and from within themselves. whether it's hot or cold in the field, whether it's in all the stations , whether it's in the sea, and in different subjects and in different weather , very good. he had precise and specific plans. by the way, while i respect mr. paknejad

in terms of his personality, i think that mr. paknejad lacks the necessary qualifications from both points of view. by the way, mr. moradi mentioned a good point. we in the ministry of oil forces specialists of skilled workers, these usually start step by step from the lowest levels , usually starting from the bachelor's level. by the way, mr. paknejad is one of the managers who grew and came up in an elevator , but that was not the case. you can see that his entry into the ministry of oil coincided with a position as an advisor to your minister. how many people can you find in the ministry of oil who if they have such a situation, they will enter the ministry of oil from the ministry of energy at some point . at first, they will be the advisor to the minister, the manager of the gas field development plan and other such things. something like that we don't have them in the collection of the ministry of oil . they have several organizational grades. now

the oil personnel system is a special system. organizational rank . organizational rank. anyway, the time interval between organizational ranks is characteristic in oil. you can see several ranks when you look at their portfolios. how many ranks did you receive in the intervals that were not legal in any way ? now, for example, we have the rank of 15 to 16. the position and the status of meladi's rank is that it is a high rank and that, by the way, my criticism is that mr. paknejad is one of your managers. now , look at the responsibilities that he has in the portfolio of the ministry of petroleum, they are usually of the staff positions, not operational and field positions. a well-known national, in fact, you put a ruler at the head

of the ministry of oil. well, in any case, considering the vast experience he has, in any case, the knowledge he has about management issues, he can manage many problems and now. talking about the reason, actually the appointment of mr. paknejad is that they say that he is one of the oil experts. in my opinion, the collection of the ministry of oil is not known to be pure and pure. what is the reason? the reason is that i would like to tell you that they mainly hold the same positions, for example, the discussion of the deputy for the supervision of hydrocarbon resources, the deputy of the national oil company, participation in the integrated planning of the central regions company, well, you see , these are all mainly of the staff positions . . by coming, for example, let's assume that a certain minister has taken an elevator and has grown

as soon as the conditions change . there is a difference between the different headquarters. he has a correct understanding of the personnel involved in operational tasks and the problems in operational tasks, which is very different from someone who has spent all of his career in the headquarters. we finally say, sir, he is not a well-known person. you want to say that he is an expert. put someone who you want to be an expert at the head of the oil ministry. naturally, he must have worked in oil upstream and downstream in oil. the country's major oil and energy field should have this view in the matter of energy diplomacy . the ones they had. and what about the program, which i will mention in the following, he

lacks the necessary qualifications that even today the members of the energy commission, we really have many experts, alhamdulillah, in the energy commission, a very decisive vote to reject his plans was given by mr. moradi. mr. paknejad, who you mentioned in the night section, according to your own interpretation, mr. n has gone through the steps of the situation and is now in this position. mr. n believes that this is not the case. i also have special respect for mr. dr. nakhibel. i was really surprised today, because because i am not an oil body at all. i'm not in oil, but i always have this prejudice against all ministries of housing, why shouldn't personnel staff, if someone is going to be a minister, for example, the minister of the interior, why shouldn't someone who has been a governor, a governor, a district governor, started from a low level , become the minister of the interior in my oil, that's you. they

complain that why did they become advisers to my minister? i say that if someone has this talent , he should have graduated from two prestigious universities. you don't remember the time of the war, mr. nakhir. i was successful because i am a little older than you . look at the people we had during the war who were in their 20s. year 19. at the age of 21, you would have become the commander of an army . now, if someone has this talent , your excellency, minister of oil, if you are told tomorrow , sir, choose a young advisor for yourself. who do you choose ? you will find the best one. now it is up to

you to say no, sir, what year was it at that time? 76 is not of any use, well that 76 is not worth discussing at all, not our discussion, something else, i will explain this, so please do not involve this issue at all. as a group of oil companies, these issues are interesting. now , when i look at these dates, it means that they have been in the majority of governments, so it shows that they are not political at all. this is very good. i mean, we say, sir , why should our oil be political, and these are issues. we have to encourage and encourage that the young man who enters the university and wants to study farooq can have this hope .

we are half an hour to an hour. i am very respectful of your opinion i say, but the person who should be a minister in the future , let's give him this motivation , let's give him this courage, let's give him this power , from now on, sir, you will become a minister one day. we have a ministry of home affairs, one day now, let us say, sir , that every ministry of home affairs, even here in the parliament, we want to oblige to make a law . i will give you an example from your speech and get an answer from your excellency he has been a district governor, a governor, a governor, and it reaches the ministry of interior. this is the point that i understand. the point that mr. nakhi stated is that mr. paknejad became a consultant at the beginning of his arrival. what you are saying, for example, should be an employee, then an expert , then in a management position. and now, for example

, i will reach the position of advisor to the minister and then higher . well, you see, in my hierarchy, there is an administrative hierarchy because i am the ministry of interior. in the administrative hierarchy , anyone who enters an organizational complex becomes an expert according to the law of the country's employment affairs organization , that is, you. but if he has a consultant position a bachelor's degree becomes a master's degree, a master's degree, an expert 's degree, and an expert's degree. this hierarchy exists in all organizations, so i say that now if a minister comes or consults pakan, what is their sin? what your excellency is saying is an administrative discussion , according to your words, it is an administrative matter of employment, which may not have much external impact. the thing that has an external impact is the position, title and responsibility , such as an employee or an expert in that department or a consultant. actually, the personnel system of the ministry of oil is a

bit special, but it may take some time i would like to explain, friends, that this actually increases over time in proportion to the organizational rank that increases, people can take positions, this thing is finally in the collection of the ministry of oil, and by the way, it is a very correct and valuable system because of this. i have to go through the field and the middle, which experience will be the executive advisor to the minister of oil, immediately after me, i will become the general director of supervision. i would like to offer to you the export of petroleum products, a

very sensitive and important supervisory position. no, but i have to go through the hierarchy let's put people and young people in the positions they want. in any case , they should be able to do the work that is needed and expected. i say that this is what i am talking about . by the way, i am saying that at one point in time, they have grown very strangely, at a very high level, at a very high level in the headquarters of the ministry of oil as soon as the situation changes, the government has changed completely. those who actually know the system of the ministry of oil , usually those who specialize in it, without orders, without dependencies in the ministry of oil.

they grow, they don't suffer from these changes, these ups and downs usually don't happen, so you should know that they are criticizing me . i am an employee of the ministry of oil, and i know what the conditions are. the rule was that they the undergraduate level started his work with a field work and an operational work. yes, at some point it may feel that this expert is a capable person and they will use him at a higher level. there was doubt in the past, but the fact that these things happen once in a while shows this. which i think is entirely based on dependencies i have a question for mr. dr. nakhaei . before you were a representative in the province, were you the manager of the manager? is that true? how old are you now? now you are 43. well, you are 43 years old. 5 years ago , you were 30. in your opinion , i should

be the director general at the age of 32. the district means the city. i started. i came to the district headquarters to report. now the province we were in is south khorasan. no, look, if this is what you are saying, you should become a manager in four or five years, very soon well, let me tell you that

i entered the oil ministry through the elite system, according to the rules, not according to the oil rules , according to the oil rules, i got two incentive bases according to the law, not that i got a base by ordering , according to the law, because i came through the elite, two incentive bases i got i became the president again, i started from the bottom , that is, i started from the city, i became the deputy of the province, then i became the director of the province, that is, i want to say that this is my lineage, i entered this way, it is not possible to put the side with grade 11 on the d side at once. now these terms that you the ministry of oil, maybe the general public is less aware about this the personnel conditions that we have in our oil is not at all possible. you should go and search. in fact , search how many people you will find in the ministry's complex . first of all, he will come to the headquarters of the ministry of oil to become the general manager of the supervision of the export of products. it is not possible . you are right, if a minister came

and took him, he was his advisor. for example , what sin did he commit 20 years ago, 25 years ago? well are you sure it's not good? it means i'm asking you. i took it myself i am analyzing myself, i am saying that based on my knowledge of the complex, very well, let's go to the plans. in the previous section, your excellency, you mentioned that our ministry of oil complex is facing a series of challenges in the current situation. can you please list these challenges for you? let me tell you that we gathered the challenges in the commission, that is, the paper that is in my hand now is in the hand of dr. nakhim, and fortunately there are all 23 people in the commission, well , they are all more caring people than me . it is natural, mullah, that we are also the

criterion. that our work in 4 years of this regulation each of us also swore an oath to this regulation to try to be a good person in my mission. well, we have come to discuss the challenges. the first challenge to discuss the discrepancies we have in the oil field is in the gas issue . let me tell you. that gasoline, oil and gas, these are the issues we are talking about, sir, someone should be the minister who can know these things first. it means without dissatisfaction, what does it mean without shortage, what does it mean, and then i will follow up, fix it, let me tell you that the discussion was wasted, and now the badness of egypt and the issues of investment, internal and external, and the weaknesses that we really have in the field we have diplomacy, dr. nakhi, mr. araghchi himself, who came to our commission , is one of our challenging issues, what did we do in economic diplomacy in the field of oil and gas

. and let me tell you that the issues that we want to hold someone responsible for now, we say, sir , anyone who became a minister, now that means you, we have many laws, we say, sir, that anyone who became a minister, the first thing he does is recommend the fifth plan, the seventh plan. you should keep it in mind in the field of progress . well, we felt this again. who should recognize this, for example, we parliamentarians and our consultant at the pre-majesle center should say, sir, this program that he gave them, which is here now , mr. dr. nakhi also has it , is this program in line with the 7th development plan or not? the center has announced on behalf of my parliament, yes, and i have read it clause by clause, if we help, and god willing, all parliament members

will vote for this mr. paknejad. at least for me, this is the assurance that he can, according to his experiences and records, god willing, this good management in the ministry should be a condition , of course, it is in my own plan, we say, sir, you should let the worker understand the same thing , we emphasize the same to the forces that are prone to it. every government wants to have this competence, if it is growing, help it, and this is the issue that we had from their minister , mr. dr. nakhei, who was also present in the commission. a shadow of interaction, and then you see, the supreme leader said to help the government, this government, mr. medical doctor, help

his ministry, the home ministry , the lobbies that exist in our country to cause a serious damage to the country, that is in the field of oil and gas , since our economy is dependent on oil, these are the issues that we must pay attention to, and we must be very careful. expression and ablution. look, i think that a lot of the time of the program was spent on this topic . there are many other topics. that even assuming the competence of someone whose all work was staff work, understanding of operational issues and

he has no idea about his program. there are a lot of dos and don'ts, but i really didn't see a big and strategic view in his plans. he will not be able to be a good helmsman for the ministry of oil . this is the point that mr. molodi pointed out that his plan is in line with the 7th plan. now, mr. moradi, they are agreeing , i have a part of it, no, it is not compatible, in your opinion, if it was compatible, the voting we did today would have been the same. that the energy commission voted against giving them only seven do you agree? no, this is what i want to say. let me tell mosadegh. see, we are very fast because my time is very short. one of the important issues we have is the issue of banking or servicing the ships, because most of them are burnt from fueling the ships, usually now. it is said that one of the most important economic streams in the world is the persian gulf and darya oman.