in the special news interview studio tonight , we are hosting mr. abdul jalal irani, a respected member of the construction commission of the islamic council, who appeared as an opponent of the proposed option, and mr. mohammad mehdi farvardin, another respected member of the construction commission of the parliament, who was good luck with the proposed option in the civil commission attendance program, which is a specialized commission related to the mission of the ministry of roads and urban development, mr. irani. hello, good evening. you are very welcome. dear mr. farvardin hello, good night, welcome, in the name of allah, the merciful, the most merciful, i offer my greetings to all my dear compatriots, and i offer my condolences on your days . i also thank you for your good program for the fourth government. let's devote to the review

of the record and a second look at the program proposed by the minister, mrs. sadegh, mr. iri. you appeared on the program tonight as an opponent of this option. in terms of reviewing the performance record and experiences that ms. sadeq has , what is the reason for your opposition? first of all, i would like to congratulate ms. mal wajid ms. farzaneh sadegh, who is chosen by mr. medical doctor, please pay attention according to the records and experiences that we actually have from them and according to the investigations that we have done, well , according to their progress in urban planning during the time when they were working as the secretary of the supreme council of architecture and urban planning, they actually implemented the kind of policy making in urban planning that this policy led to an increase

in housing prices, and this progressive policy that often limits the structures of urban development and considers the lines of the legal boundaries of cities in line with vertical development is a policy that actually leads to an increase in the price of land for housing. it is possible and i, based on this policy, actually had been applied tehran municipality did a series of work, and these two issues, besides the fact that we have the ministry of roads and urban development, considering the many bodies that we have in this series , that is, something around 25% of the gross domestic product of our country is related to the ministry. road and urban development, and more than 30 sets of different vice-departments

, sets that are related to roads, related to the issues of the aviation organization, the railway organization , different sets that exist in the ministry of roads and urban development, and from this side, we review the description of our duties we do it, it is part of the description of the duties that are in general our country has all the construction and development structures such as politics. investing in the construction of housing, such as , in fact, issues that are related to ground transportation and road transportation, in relation to all cases, and when we come, we will check what kind of experiences he has, along with the actions that should be taken as a duty of the ministry of home affairs. do it with those tasks and with those experiences that we are comparing, maybe more than ten

many cases and issues that we want in the 2 departments of roads and urban development and the issue of transportation. let's do it only in a small part or maybe we can, in my opinion, more than 10% with that policy, we also with this policy because experience has shown that we have tested this experience in different governments. in the fifth and sixth governments, we had the experience of land transfer and infrastructure transfer in the government. 7th and 8th, capital and facilities in the 9th and 10th government, housing seal, and in the 11th and 12th government

, unfortunately, we did not have such a policy. in fact , as an option, a specific policy has been proposed in connection he did not provide housing and it is one of the factors that i am criticized . as a representative of the people , we believe that there is a question mark somewhere. he is placed in our place , we say why someone without expertise is placed in such and such a place, first we need to know where did dr. sadegh come from, where did he get to where he was, he went through the steps of advancement in a scientific and specialized way to get here, so we do not specialize in him. we can

it means that one of the best options proposed by mr. president is dr. sadegh. he started as the head of the department, now he is the deputy minister. regarding my record, he has a clear record . i mean, today in the public space of society, when you talk about an official or manager , they put a question mark in front of him, saying that he has committed a violation in some place. if today, mrs. sadiq, maybe sometimes, some people have a way of arguing simply because of the authority that was in charge during that time. for this reason, i consider his record to be very brilliant in matters that have been discussed, for example, i accuse him of i have a request from dr. sadegh that, for example, you

should annex this land to a certain city. well, according to the law , they are not allowed to do this, because either the agricultural land is of high quality or there are conditions where this is not possible. well, we cannot consider this as a failed record. i think that today we should respect the managerial power of dr. sadiq . there are no gray spots in her record. does not come see, i totally agree with this statement i am not my dear colleague, mr. dr. iri. well, we have to

put all the conditions of the country together in an inflationary situation. at what point are we talking about whether the price of housing has increased or the rest of the system? the rest of the fields did their work well , after that, dr. sadiq, who does not make the first and last decision , was the minister's first policymaker at that time, and he was an expert, and the expert also obeys the upper law, at the same time now. we want to judge them right now, as i am talking to you, in their two years of responsibility. in the 13th government, shahid raisi was the government. 54,000 hectares of land have been annexed to cities, 50,000 hectares of which were under his responsibility, how can we accept that he is a resistanceist or an activist , his thoughts or they point out that maybe 10% of the activity of a widening and development apparatus such as roads and urban development with a history and the rest

of the fields, such as air transportation, rail and sea , which is a subcategory, should be functional . i think that qavi can do it when he has the ability to have sufficient knowledge of a department of the ministry manage that device. mrs. dr. sadegh , considering that she knows the ministry of home affairs in detail, you can be sure that she will not give up. today, if there is a voice, i apologize in advance regarding our colleagues, i do not dare to do this at all, but if a voice comes out that some people will disagree. why does a woman want to manage such a wide and complex ministry? i believe that i know who wants to come here, who is facing the bottlenecks of corruption. or this point that mention prevent in spite of

the respect that you show me, i am not talking about gender, i wish that mr. dr. mezikian would introduce 5 home ministries instead of one home ministry and take women to their share. so that tomorrow, when we have to answer the people, now we have a shortage of 5 million housing units. it means that he has to build 1 million of 5 million residential units every year. he wants to build these 1 million residential units with the same policy as you can see . urban development has been included in their work plan until 1402 from 1402 to 1403, contrary to the issue that we are dealing with the increase in fact.

so far, he has shown himself as a working experience of contractionary policy, see contractionary policy. what does it mean to control the limits and see the obstacles? the reform policy means, practically, with the national housing movement, which in the form of the law on the jump in housing production and in the form of the seventh plan that we assigned and reduced the level of people's access to access to 7 years , we said that the plan is according to the plan. one million housing units should be built every year, it is contradictory, so they say these policies as a

when the subcategory for agents is placed together, i will explain this issue technically. i have been working for 20 years. i am a project consultant. that they, in terms of their ability, in terms of history, and at all , the progressive view they have in policy-making , cannot assume the commitment of building one million housing units per year. i happen to have a copy of this idea . regarding this issue, with the connections that

i had with the decision-makers, for example, informing in the form of rent that such and such a place is going to be cleared. or if a rail is passed, he went to the other side and bought a piece of land in the hope that in the future it will increase its width. it has not gone under the burden. i think we should go after such a management and even reward them . if you act diligently here , we took care of the treasury, the environment, and the natural resources. we should not

consider this as a negative record. this is a strong point. there is a director, in my opinion, it will take a minute if there is an answer to the fact that he is the main director of corruption it is controversial, but the use and abuse of corruption were controversial. in terms of management weaknesses , i don't think it is interesting. we want to apply these regulations , we base this on the fact that since the fight against corruption is what mr. farvardi says, how many percent of these policies are anarchist policies?

the law that was prepared for the community plan went to the side that took the building permit and after that we have people who have received building permits from the municipality based on the inclusion of this wrong urban policy. someone who had a building permit outside of the legal limits is now included outside the legal limits. the field of housing is a bit of a debate now.

and you can check the record of ms. dr. sadegh on the principle 90 commission. you can now bring it to the line of the head of the principle 90 commission. on the line of your program , he, by the way, dr. pejuvanfer has praised him as a clean manager capable of performing legal duties. no more there is an eyewitness, you can ask him questions now. i am speaking based on observations and documents , and i am a representative, and the commission that i came to . now, my colleagues are sometimes even higher than us in terms of expertise, but i am speaking today in terms of management indicators. if we believe that we should employ capable people in the field of management , we should employ those who have management indicators , mrs. doctor, she is one of the people we

are looking for. very well, how is it in the field of the program, mr. iri, the reasons for your opposition to mrs. sadegh. what is see many things related to my program i can confirm to you that no plan has been presented in these matters related to the issue of urban planning, just as i told you about the policy of anghabazi, we infer from our experiences that they have not presented any policy related to urban planning in their plans. as you can see, regarding the discussion of one million units that he wants to build, he does not have a plan. private sector is one of the capitals of housing production. there are funds that play an essential role in all our civil infrastructures, including aviation the same rail transport in the same vehicle in beldar in all this field, but in the private sector, which is sanctioned due to the limited resources, how did he want to use these issues, and as i told you, the confrontation of the national moment. housing in comparison with the discussion

of urban development, in fact , we should not use it as an emphases. certainly, the countries that are on the periphery are very important issues in terms of the geographical location of our country. there is no program related to the field of general transportation that is related to according to us, it is about 230,000 kilometers. now , you said in the field of urban planning, in the field of housing, in the field of transportation. so, in what field are the plans to be given? see , there are general plans that i will present to you now, mr. doctor. we are about 230,000 kilometers away. we have main and free roads, of which 30,000 are arterial roads, we have about 20,000 road casualties, that is

, 60,000 times, we have road closures. if it is paid, we will have to pay something around 1400 billion tomans. this is one of the points the weakness of the implementation of the programs that we have in the form of the housing supply program, we mention about transit in the 7th program, 40 million tons of goods must be reached by the end of the 7th program, no implementation and operational plan has been presented . the railway fleet is completely exhausted . our rail speed is about 12 kilometers per hour . how much do we want to increase this 12 kilometers ? or is it the issue that we discussed in terms of supplying locomotives in the seventh program ? we need 550,000 locomotives. where do you get it from? provide

or in the 11,000 lethal devices that have been re-approved , all these resources are required, the resources and executive programs that have actually been implemented in line with what came in the 7th plan, precisely in the 7th plan, all of these are emphasized and related to the discussion of the economy. the sea axis of the executive plan of the presentation, i have these things, i mention, my title is to get to those issues faster, or in connection with the north and south discussion, we have a very good capacity in the north of our country, russia, the cis countries , none of these are related to to even read chabeh's and get in touch with our program executive we didn't see any action from them and finally , i would like to tell you about the load that we have to increase from 9% of the rail load to 30, in what way, with which source, with which money, with which. i didn't see any implementation and operational plans in this plan that he presented , and that's why i believe that he is able

to implement the issues that we demand, which are actually the issues of the developers. i am worried that he will not be able to implement them. mr. forwardi, in the field of your program, the reasons for your success, mr. iranke, said that they did not see many specific programs in different fields by the way, i would like to hear from mr. dr. iri. if i turn the opposing opinion back to agree with them , that means i condemn this statement. look at this statement , mr. dr. iri says that we have 20,000 dead people on our roads. could it be, mrs. dr. minister of roads , that we have 20,000 dead people? we went to fix it, let's give it to someone who can fix it , we have 20,000 dead until now, let's give it to a lady doctor, give it to a lady. after we ask for healing, we should expect a minister, if the ministry of economy does not come today

the works of the ministry of oil, niad pi, the ministry of niad, the work of the ministry of niad , the same roads that have been built, now we have 15,000 km of railways, 200 km of free roads, 20,000 km of major roads, 30,000 km of main road, and 25. i want to say a thousand kilometers, who uses these roads that are being destroyed, except that the sub-categories of the ministry of oil, the cars carrying energy fuel , are destroying these roads. there are two or three of our provinces that collect tolls, this can maintain our roads, so we should let's define a correct financial model in order to maintain our roads and develop our country's roads, railways and transportation space

. and pure jihadi work by hand to prevent rent from employing non-specialized forces. mr. dr. airi is also doing these things that he is saying, maybe he is just reminding me that the past people did not do this, mrs. doctor will do this, these indicators that he listed some of which

there is no plan about it, will be accepted by you. you don't have them, mr. khosravi can't make a plan by himself, not an executive plan, an executive plan, based on the above document , we have the 7th plan, and the plans that are the policies of the ministry of interior, he can be the executive. unless there is a special case that can change your policy, but at the same time, if, for example, you mention about, for example, rail transportation, the task of the program is the executive plan, for example , what is the minister's plan to achieve that indicator ? it is that we can provide financial resources, financial resources of different models it can be from oil production , it can be from manufacturing, we all have to join hands to be able to provide these resources, otherwise, not only one minister

will have 100 conversations during the conversation, if anywhere , in order to have some discussion in the form of a conversation. there was a need for an answer , let's not wait for the economy of the time and please see the discussion that mr. farvardin has with financing, we are not about to accept the minister of economy with his presence in the construction commission, the first priority of the minister of economy is to control inflation and sue enters. definitely the financing cases that point out from the minister of the central bank and the ministry of economy are not acceptable, and the issue related to clearing is a matter for the government to see. he changed the way and urban development

. the late rostam ghasemi was one of the ministers whose job was oil clearing. he was not successful in this matter. well, when a person with this background and experience in relation to oil clearing has not been successful, then the implementation of the issue of clearing cannot be defended in any way. no, and it is not possible, you agree, mr. farvardin. if you have a point to say here , i will accept it, but excuse me, mr. dr. iri , where does the minister want to get more than these three ways. we don't have it, we either have an oil refinery, or we have production facilities, or we should be able to put money in the government bill in the parliament. it is not possible that we want to make money in another way. can we either go and hand it over to the private sector? well, let's get concessions

and then return the investment to them. definition let's give them incentives to do this . see, in connection with the discussion mr. farvardin mentions, we also agree that it is one of these methods, but which method, where to start, where to reach, from what source to start, and to what. what kind of road should we meet? what is the shape of the air plane, the issues of our ports , all these are the things that i cannot do now as a minister. i want to defend myself and tell about my plans, sir, i want to see this amount from tahatari oil, the resources are not few, mr. d. we have a brics agreement, so why was it up in the air? the policies of the government , the implementation of the government, the government of hester, we are related and look at the global agreements that we have, the

international agreements that we have in connection with. i, who want to become a minister, want to build this road, sir it wants money, the country's civil administration wants money , there is money, mr. doctor, there is money, unfortunately, this money has found so many holes in these bags that it is not clear where it will be spent . gire and i have no doubt that he will fix this path, not us, who is from god, nothing at all. there is no place for a corrupt manager in the government of the islamic republic of iran. it is the primary and inherent duty of every manager, but if we say that because the manager is a corruption fighter, because the manager is actually faced with issues that

iran can do without money, without a plan, without direction. let islam build us, i will tell you that we must provide, the parliament must provide, the organization of the program must provide , he is the executive, if someone comes and says that i will not implement the law of the parliament, then we will say that you are violating the law, you have no right, so we will not vote. when he came and presented his plan to the commission, he said, "i am committed to the five-year and seventh-year plans and policies." according to the notification of the supreme leader. he is the head of the government , who is the president and i follow him. we cannot present a new program by ourselves . we can tell them, well, now you let us put a new program on your table and implement it. we have a law, we have written a law on housing. we wrote the law, we wrote the law on the tax on empty houses, a manager wants to have the courage to implement the existing laws , there are good laws, he must be a good executive, and i believe

he is a capable executive. you mention that i asked a few questions, see all these questions in terms of an executive program, there is no answer. we are saying that we can't do it for my people. now , sir, they want housing. they want a house. at least we have 166,000 kilometers. we have 16 million square kilometers. out of these 16 million square kilometers, we are in one million. we have square kilometers. we live for only one million, now count. when a villager wants to build a house in a poor place in a village, he can't do it just because of this policy. he has not become a minister , let him become a minister, then he will become a minister look, if you can't do it after four or five months, you can blame him