and tens of thousands of visitors are gone. how much do the city's hotels, restaurants and tourism outlook benefit? or did it? an thanksgiving marks the traditional start of the lake tahoe ski season this year.

a lot will be new and will take some preplanning on your part. but first, open warfare at openai. the san francisco company behind chatgpt stuns the world by firing its famous ceo. you're watching getting answers. i'm kristen sze. the drama continues today over the darling of the world of ai. sam altman. altman was the ceo of openai, the high flying startup that makes the chat bot chatgpt friday, just one day after he spoke at the apex ceo summit, the board of openai fired him, saying they could no longer trust him. this set off a series of succession style chess moves. if you watch that show all weekend long, including attempts to reinstate him as ceo. and this morning, another shocking development. microsoft already a major investor in openai, announced. sam altman is coming to microsoft to lead a new advanced ai subsidiary, joining us live now to make sense of all

of that, dean glickstein, a partner at haynes boone. that is a new york based law firm which specializes in artificial intelligence. dina thanks for your time. >> thank you, kristen. we're actually at dallas based law firm with the new york office and also san francisco office. but thank you for having me. >> i appreciate that explanation. now i'm going to ask you actually a trickier one. and that is to explain why the fate of one ceo is causing so much turmoil and so much interest in what is the significance of sam altman? well well, the significance of sam altman is chatgpt. >> i think everyone heard chatgpt and openai since chatgpt went on the market in november of 2022. so since then, chatgpt became an everyday word. openai became extremely popular and you have a lot of people using ai for everyday tasks. so now when something is happening at openai , i mean of course it's news, especially in the way that sam altman was fired, laid off.

however you want to phrase it, right? >> so usually right there's a leadership shakeup when a company is not doing well, such as cruise's ceo, kyle vogt, stepping down after many axios events that were in the news. but openai, as you said, is kind of on top of the world, right? it's beating all its competitors as the valuation is so high it could go public. it's revolutionized the world researchers the way we study and all that. so why now? what happened? >> i don't think we'll ever know what happened. i mean, there's theories that there was some sort of a power struggle, right? maybe it is because they chatgpt is so popular. in truth, we just don't know. but because openai is so popular and is used so widely. right now, this is why it is a shakeup, right? there's people who are comparing to what happened to openai when steve jobs got fired at apple. right. it made news. and this is making news. and i think now the story is going to be of what is going

to happen with openai now that sam altman is no longer there. >> right. i mean, you're right. you mentioned steve jobs. there's definitely parallels there, right? it's like he created this thing called apple. you know, he got ousted after a while by others who disagreed with him. and then eventually he came back to triumph and hero, who knows that that's going to happen to altman. but we did hear that there was kind of a divide on the board between those who thought maybe he was moving too quickly and those who wanted to preserve the mission of ai for humanity. again, i don't know what that means. i don't even know if you do. i don't know if anyone does. do you know what that means? preserving ai for humanity in its original vision. >> right. look. original vision, open ai. right. openai was a nonprofit corporation. now it is for profit. it could be something to do with that. it could be something with ai being transparent and responsible. right so we actually know where the data is coming from, where, how, how, how does it generate

answers? but in truth, we're hypothesize thing. we don't know what happened right? there could have been a power struggle. there likely may have been a power struggle, but the end result is sam altman is no longer there. >> he's no longer there. and in fact, it this is very interesting. we think and you tell me if it's confirmed, confirmed that he is going to microsoft, because here's the other shocker, right? while attempts were made to bring him back to openai by some of the folks still there, in the end, they said no thanks. and they put him this interim guy, emmett shear, and microsoft, the ceo, satya nadella, actually posted a tweet this morning right here saying, yes, we're stay committed to openai as a partner. right. microsoft is a big investor in openai. but but we're extremely excited to share the news that sam altman and greg brockman, together with colleagues, will be joining microsoft to lead a new advanced ai research team. my goodness, what does that mean? what are they going to be doing at microsoft? >> so it is a phenomenal move on

part of microsoft, right. as you mentioned, kristen, microsoft was an original investor in openai, right? they obviously know how openai works. now for them to hire the former ceo. well, guess what? they're taking all that knowhow from openai. right. and that's going to microsoft, right? so instead, we're we're seeing an investment and a collaboration. now, microsoft has the top team from openai. it's a phenomenal move on their part. >> and not only are they getting it seems like they're getting sam altman right. but we also heard 500 out of the 700 employees at openai. this is stunning. signed a letter today demanding that the whole board resign or they're going to follow altman to microsoft. but how stunning is that? >> that is incredibly stunning. right. so along with sam altman, you also have greg brockman, who left. right, who was also the president. so that is that is

essentially microsoft taking all the top talent or rather most of the top talent from openai. and now that employees are following , i mean, it does not look good for openai at all. >> so what does this mean for openai? i mean, if it's stripped of its assuming those 500 employees who are unhappy, demanding an explanation, not getting it and then leaving? i guess first of all, this means nadella said, hey altman, if you come anybody who wants to follow you from openai will offer them a job too, right? this is, i mean, a huge commitment, but okay, talk about the competition , right? microsoft is in the game. you know, they have bing chat, google has barred meta has a i don't know what it's called, but everybody's getting in on this ai chatbot advanced ai. tell us why it's so important and why they're all trying to win this game, right? >> so it's not just google and meta and microsoft and openai. i mean, there are probably at least 10 to 20 chat bots that

are sprinkling sprinkling up right. and they all want market share, right? they want advertisers, they want revenue because people are using chat bots, right? you can use it for simple things. you can use it for summarization. you can use it for planning an itinerary. right you can do if you want a summary of your linkedin profile that would take you half an hour to put together. guess what? it can do it in five minutes. right? so there are a lot of everyday use for chat like technology. it's extremely popular. people are using it and that is why everyone wants part of that market share. >> yeah, i mean, kids are using it for their essays, employers are using it for their evals that they have to write. i could use it to research this very conversation with you. i mean, the uses are endless. i've certainly used it to plan vacations, you know, especially if you train it to be a good travel agent, for example. so i guess you know, is this where everything is headed? is this

where all the tech investments will be you expect in the future ? >> i mean, i think the tech investment is already there. there's a lot of companies that are investing in this space, but in my opinion, it's going to be like email, right? it's going to change fundamentally the way we do business, whether it's at work, whether it's in school, whether it's at startups. i mean, like chatgpt type technologies are going to change the way we do things and chatgpt and sam altman are still he's synonymous with it and it's still the leader. >> like when you look across at the competitors right now, is it truly still a cut above? >> it is absolutely a cut above. and i should have mentioned that before. i mean, chatgpt is probably the most well known chat bot and probably the most mostly used chat bot. rit? so it'll be interesting to see what the future will hold, right? whether we're openai would remain as the top chat bot as it is now or if microsoft will be getting an edge in the few months to come. did you say an

edge? >> okay. clever very clever. i see what you did there, dina. this is just crazy. it really is. because normally when you make a huge investment by a company, then your stock price might go down. but i think microsoft actually soared to an all time high today. right >> yeah. would not be surprised if they did. i have to check the market closed today. i have not, but i would not be surprised. >> dina blitzstein, a partner at hayes boone, thank you so very much for coming on and sharing your insight with us. >> thank you for having me. kristen wow, the drama. >> all right. coming up next, the impact of aipac. how does san francisco benefit from that big summit? we'll get answers for you when a city tourism expert joins us ne

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will it live up to what leaders promised from meetings and dinners to parties and more? there's no doubt aipac brought tons of people to san francisco, though, according to the city's travel association, it's forecasted to generate more than $52 million in economic impact. so joining us live right now to explain how the numbers break down is joe dallesandro, president and ceo of the san francisco travel association. joe, thanks for coming on the show. happy to be here. all right. so there was the forecast and then there is the reality, as our meteorologists will often tell us. how it played out. what's your overall feeling on how the week went in terms of san francisco and any financial success? >> you know, overall, it led it fulfilled all of our desires and all of our goals in terms of the economic impact of apec and san francisco, but also the

incredible press that san francisco got around the world inviting people to come to san francisco. the apec countries are some of our most important trade markets and they're also some of our most important generate of tourism into san francisco. so we're very pleased with the overall success of it. and san francisco really was on the world stage and it shined really well. >> it really was. all right. now let's take a look at the numbers. if we can. the projected impact was $52.8 million, right. and these were the sectors that we thought would gain the most. talk about how that played out and which sector gained the most. it looks like lodging. yes >> yeah, i think lodging overall gained the most of it. but every time somebody stays in a hotel in san francisco, 60% of their dollars that they're spent are spent outside of the hotels. whether they're going out to eat in restaurants, whether they're going to buy souvenirs or buy gifts, you name it. there's a lot of dollars that are spent outside of the hotels. a lot of the meetings for apec were also in hotels, so they stood to

benefit the most. so hotel employees stood to benefit. and a lot of the surrounding businesses around those hotels also benefited. >> oh yeah, the intercontinental , where the ceo summit was really based, a lot of it that was busy place. and then talk about which were some of the other big hotels i know the chinese contingent was at the saint regis, right? which were the hotels that really were all booked up. >> so, you know, every hotel around moscone, around union square really did see the benefit of it. so you could look at hotels like the marriott marquis, the san francisco hilton on union square, the western saint francis, all of those hotels did very well during apec, because what happens, it's not only the attendees that stay there, but also there's other people in town, whether they're here for leisure purposes, whether they're here for visiting friends and family or or business purposes, they're here. and sometimes if a particular hotel is booked because of apec, then they have to stay somewhere else. and they could be staying at fisherman's wharf or some other part of town. so really that's what we call compression. when a convention is in town and

it spreads, the people stayed in hotels to all sorts of neighborhoods. so we believe that all hotels benefited because of apec. >> it's just in the epicenter right, joe? that makes not just in the epicenter. yeah so it looked like the restaurants were forecasted to gain 7 million, at least in business. and i wonder if that played out equally across different restaurants or was it mainly just kind of the big fancy places that were fancy enough to host the dignitaries and the parties? they were throwing the private ones? or was it also the smaller mom and pop restaurants? >> well, you know, it benefited all sorts of different types of restaurants. >> we've heard that some restaurants are right around the security zone, did not benefit as well as they had hoped, just because people couldn't get into that area or people were concerned about traffic or other other issues that would prevent them. in fact, some media reports encourage people not to come into downtown san francisco during peak because of traffic issues and but by and large, restaurants did benefit from it. it was also the end of san francisco's restaurant week. so a lot of locals were able to go out and get great deals and restaurants. so these types of events are not across the board. i mean, when we hosted the super

bowl, you know, the city overall benefited really well for it. but some businesses obviously that were impacted negatively did not. and by and large, though, san francisco is going to benefit from this, not only in employment, not only in tax revenue, but a lot of other things, especially the publicity that san francisco got. just to give you an example, our website, which is a global website which has versions and languages around the world, jumped the hits, jumped 38% last week, and mostly from the apec countries. so people were at home in china and japan and taiwan and other apec countries watching these stories about san francisco. and they wanted to find out more. they probably wanted to pay a visit. so they went on our website to get more information. that's the kind of benefits that are going to be long term, not just during the week of apec, but long term when people come next year or the year after to visit san francisco. >> i was just going to say, right, that be being seen in headlines around the world and having stories written about your city that does pay long term dividends. what about infrastructure? any long term benefits due to the

infrastructure that was added for apec? >> i think there are some long term benefits for the in terms of infrastructure, but i really think the long the best benefit in the long term is the trade opportunities that were presented there, because a lot of these ceos that met with the heads of state and with other delegations were bay area ceos that are going to be getting business as a result of that. and who's going to benefit from that? the residents of the bay area. so i think that that's the type of long term benefits and the travel and tourism opportunity cities that are going to be generated as a result of this. there's going to be more business travel to san francisco because of apec, because of conversations that will be continuing to have. so there's a lot of short term and long term benefit and i think it's really important that we look too at that long term benefit because it didn't end last friday. it will continue for years to come. >> you know, when i said infrastructure, i was in part thinking of the ferris wheel that got moved from the golden gate park to the waterfront. and i understand a lot of people want to keep it there. i don't

know if you have any numbers to see if that was a popular draw. >> it's still early to tell, but i'm sure it's going to be a popular draw because fisherman's wharf is one of the most popular and most visited areas of san francisco. and i think that's just one more attraction that people can do when they're at fisherman's wharf. it was also popular at golden gate park. so we're happy to keep it in san francisco. >> and in terms of, you know, having visitors return, whether it's local or international or people in the bay area who come from the burbs to visit, for them to come back, it needs to still feel safe to them. right. and i was out there covering it and a lot of people were saying to me, well, it feels really safe right now, but of course, it's different when there are a thousand officers. and i'm not saying that's the only way to feel safe, but i'm saying it was a different feeling. it was a different reality. we will the elements that keep people wanting to come back stay. you think? >> well, i do. and for a couple of things. one, san francisco is a very safe city. in fact, when you look at the major cities in the united states in terms of violent crime, san francisco is one of the safest cities out

there. so we're already safe. and we do research every year. we pull thousand of visitors that are coming to san francisco and asking them their favorite things, what they like, what they didn't like. and then one of the most important questions we ask at the end is, will you come back to san francisco? and over 90% of the visitors who came last year, even amongst the negative publicity that san francisco's been getting, say that they want to come back and that's higher than most every other city that's polled in the united states. so that shows that when people come here, even though they may have an opinion before they get here, when they come here, their experience on the streets is very positive and they want to come back. and that's why it's so important that we bring people into san francisco to experience the city for themselves. and they know how beautiful it is. they'll understand how great the culinary scene is. they'll understand our incredibly diverse neighborhoods, and they'll want to come back again and again. and that's that's a proven fact and trite but true. >> they leave their hearts in san francisco. so. >> absolutely, joe d'alesandro, thank you so much. >> really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> okay. are you excited? ski season is here in lake tahoe as resorts gear up for the holiday

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gearing up for a great ski season. joining us live now to talk all about it is kevin coop cooper, director of communications and pr at california mountain resort company. hey, coop. >> how you doing, kristin? how's it going down in the bay? >> it's going great. although behind you, i was kind of hoping to see, like, white all over, but. no, no. so does that mean the resorts are actually going? going, actually. >> argyris so that's a great question. they're they're doing their jobs right now. the mountain operations teams are using not mother nature's natural, but the snowmaking. we did get about eight inches around the crest here and down towards the western slope over the last several days. that storm didn't really deliver what we needed. but we're doing a lot of snowmaking right now. so today, just about two hours ago, heavenly mountain resort

announced they're going to be opening tomorrow. mount rose is open, boreal is open, mammoth mountain is open. the other resorts are kind of all looking at that zone right around december 1st. but the mountain operations changed with the temperatures we're getting are doing a great job at getting the terrain open for thanksgiving and then into the month of december last year at this time, we had over eight feet of snow. so this year is we're going to have to wait, watch and see. >> i keep trying to talk to spencer about that. and, you know, i'm sorry this week is pretty calm here and pretty warm . but coop, i wanted to ask you, for folks who are coming up, are there any resorts that have some major changes either in policy or the way they sell their tickets or parking that people need to know about? that's a loaded question there. >> i'll tell you what, it's one of the biggest challenges right now is going to be that reservation system. that's the parking reservation system that's going to be at the palisades, that's going to be at heavenly mountain resort, any of the alterra or the epic pass resorts. you're going to have to

reserve your parking. that includes northstar. so basically you need to go online, you need to reserve your parking, there's going to be paid parking areas like kirkwood mountain resort. they're going to have free parking, but a mixture of paid parking. but if you hit those western slope resorts, bear valley and dodge ridge, it's still kind of old school style where you could just drive right up park your car and walk up onto the resort themselves. so no reservation systems other than parking. those are the big changes this year, she sugar bowl boreal mountain, rose diamond peak and homewood it's just drive on up and the other good news is homewood just announced they are not going to try to go private. so that's going to stay public again this year. so people going up there and want to see one of the best views of the lake head over to homewood mountain resort. it's a beautiful view right there on the west shore. wow >> but the fact that there's some parking reservoir options in some places now, i imagine, is to combat the you know, it's gotten really popular. let's face it. it's a good thing and everybody wants in on it. so are

we expecting a lot of people this year in terms of the numbers and how are they managing it in terms of like ticket sales, the season ticket sales that drives that that that's the you know, great question. >> kristin. and that's what it is. it's season pass sales people buy their passes early. the breakage rate on those meaning that people don't use them is about 20, 30. so essentially if you were up here last year, now we had challenges last year, we had so much snow last year we had a lot of road closures. so that was part of the challenge. but the amount of people that show up during the holidays, that's the big issue. so that's why, you know, i think my best advice is start looking at some of those smaller resorts out there mentioning diamond peak, mount rose, homewood boreal. sure ball and then the western slope resorts up highway four, bear valley very little traffic on the way up to bear valley. and then also really close out of the bay is dodge ridge. so you definitely have some alternatives that you can go to. but the challenge kind of to your point is like, you know,

we used to wake up in the morning and look outside and you see five, six, seven inches a foot of snow and you're like, oh my god, i'm going to go. if you don't have a reservation now, that is going to be a challenge. you have to wait for someone to come out for you to go in. it's going to be interesting to see the mountain teams, how they're going to regulate that and how they're going to monitor it. they want everybody to have a great time. but to your point, there are a lot of people traveling up. so those alternatives are really good and it kind of takes you back in time a little bit because the prices are a little bit better as well. >> oh yeah, i know what you're talking about. back in the day when i could just drive up that morning at 6 a.m. and go, let's ski today. why not? coop? thank you so much. really appreciate it. kevin coop cooper with communications and pr at california mountain resort company. all right. a reminder, you can get our live newscast, breaking news, weather and more at

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here on abc seven. the eagles will face off against the chiefs. world news tonight with david muir is next. and i'll see you back here at 4:00. bye bye tonight, the severe storms and tornado watches just as millions now travel for thanksgiving. and this all moves right into the east. washington, d.c., right up through new york city. at this hour, already tornado watches across several states, as this cross-country storm moves across the nation just before the holiday. heavy rain, snow, damaging winds hitting major airports in the next 24 hours. rob marciano standing by to time this out, and trevor ault tonight on the travel