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thanksgiving feast. and between the cooking, the travel, and, of course, family. we all know holiday stress can be a lot. a bay area therapist will join us to help manage it all. but first, it's the anniversary of one of the worst days in american history. 60 years ago today, president john f kennedy was assassinated. that dark day in dallas has led to years of research to answer the question who killed jfk? you're watching getting answers. i'm j.r. stone. the reexamination of the assassination was the subject of the abc seven originals documentary jfk unsolved. the real conspiracies. abc seven news i-team reporter dan noyes sat down with one of the world's leading experts on the topic, who lives right here in the bay area. so you're about to see his research led him to a startling new conclusion about the case. from his home in bolinas, josiah tink thompson has written last second in dallas. >> that concludes president john f kennedy did not die from a bullet fired by former marine

and communist sympathizer lee harvey oswald. as the government has long contended, he was not killed by oswald. >> we know that thompson was one of the original researchers on the assassination. >> he worked for life magazine on this cover story and in 1967 wrote what still considered to be a seminal book on the assassination. >> josiah thompson looked at this very differently. >> steven fagin is curator of the sixth floor museum in dallas . >> he examined dealey plaza as a crime scene and laser focused his attention on the science of the assassination. he wasn't interested in the bigger picture questions about who was involved. was it the cia? was it the mafia? thompson was exclusively focused on how many shots were fired and what did those shots do? >> now, after a long career as a private detective, thompson has reexamined the forensic evidence and witness statements and consulted a team of scientists and assassination buffs for his new book. what's it like being back here after so many years?

>> it's strange. i returned to dealey plaza with him recently to retrace his work. >> can he got hit from somebody right over there above the right temple. >> so he was thrown backwards into the left. and then in three quarters of a second after that, he was hit by a second shot from the deposit tree. >> thompson argues oswald's bolt action rifle could not fire that quickly, that there had to be a second gunman, that that time frame, two shots in less than a second, is confirmed by a recording of the assassination from a microphone stuck in the open position on a police motorcycle. james barger confirmed that recording as authentic for thompson's new book, the sounds of gunfire, did. >> in fact, occur at the same time as the assassination. >> why should this be important for all of us to understand what

actually happened that day? >> because if a society he believes in alternative facts, you get in deeper and deeper trouble. you need the truth. a healthy society needs the truth. >> that was just part of the documentary today on the 60th anniversary of the assassination , you can stream the entire thing. jfk unsolved on demand. joining me right now to talk more about this documentary, abc7 news i-team reporter dan noyes. dan first off, hats off to you. oh, thanks. fascinating work that you did on this piece here. here we are 60 years later and we're still talking about this. >> america has this fascination. i mean, with such a dark day in history. and really, if you think about it, one of the crimes, the most prominent crimes that has never been solved. you know, if you really think about it, we don't know exactly what happened that day and who else was involved. >> i think there's something to be said about a case like this

and maybe what appeals to everybody is the fact that they knew it was their 9/11. they knew where they were at, that moment when he was shot. why have we gone 60 years after, you know, going through this documentary and why are there still unanswered questions here? >> well, for a lot of reasons. i mean, the government from the very beginning didn't want all of the story to get out. you know, johnson was very concerned about this escalating to some sort of world war, especially with the russians. if he was implicating the russians or cuba or someone else, it could have really expanded into a much bigger problem war, which could perhaps cost thousands of lives. so there's this feeling and this truth that we never really got the full story. and that continues to this day. you know, we were talking about this about the about those documents that have never been released. you know, past presidents have said we need to release this. we need to have the truth out there for the public. but those documents that are being held by the national archives on this assassination and the investigation often have never been released.

>> talk about this local author here and your meetings with him and really what he found. we saw a glimpse of it in that piece there. right. >> exactly. ting thompson is just a fascinating guy. you know, he was a philosophy professor at yale when he kind of caught the bug of jfk research. he was one of the first researchers on the scene after the assassination. he was working for life magazine, as we mentioned. and he wrote one of the seminal books, six seconds in dallas in the 1960s. and that book kind of stood as the benchmark for all research in the assassination. but he went on to a long career as a detective. and these nagging questions stuck with him over the years. he would work these cases as a as a detective, but he knew that he would come back to the assassination. so for the past ten years, he commissioned some new studies. he talked to experts. he revisited all those interviews he did back in dallas in the 1960s. and just put together this compelling story

and a compelling case that points to a second gunman having been involved. >> and you made the point to when we were discussing this that it wasn't necessarily he who else was involved. it was the fact that his belief that there was definitely somebody involved. and if you could expand on that. yeah, tim thompson thought that the best he could do would be to prove that there was a second gunman involved. >> you know, we can argue until the cows come home as to who that second person may have been, but but there tink looked at the evidence, the acoustic evidence. you know, there was that microphone open on the motorcycle police officer's motorcycle, which recorded the sound of the gunfire. and tink got this new this scientist who actually worked on it back in the 60s to do a new study of the acoustics, basically showing there were five shots and two that were within a second. and that old rifle can't be recocked or reloaded within a second. and so that shows that there was a second person through all of

this. >> and i know you've traveled there and whatnot when you talked with with him about this, was he ever scared for his life? because you know, you wonder over the years, politicians are saying, oh, we're going to release all this and then they never do is, you know, and it could be that there's a fear out there of danger of their own life. did he ever fear in fear of his life? >> i think he felt as though the people who contacted him, who may have said some of those things were kind of the crackpots and tink is kind of this old, grizzled, old private eye, you know, he has seen and done a lot. he's worked some very, very tough murder cases. you know, timothy mcveigh with the oklahoma city bombing case, he's worked some very high profile cases. so he doesn't get rattled very well, very, very easily. so i don't think he had any serious concerns for his life. >> when you go and you visit the location where all of this happened and here we are years and years later, what really, you know, what kind of effect did that have on you? what were some of your memories from that?

and you were there with him during all of this? talk a little bit about that. >> yeah, with him and i think the most people say this, when you go to dealey plaza, it is so small. i mean, and excuse me if i'm being a little cautious here , but if you were trying to design an kind of a firing range for an assassination, that's the place. it's a triangle. you have the spot here from the texas school book depository. you have the second spot up here on the grassy knoll. the limo just turned that corner and it'so compact. the sightlines are so easy. the thing also that i was able to do was to talk to some of the witnesses who were actually feet away at the time. there's that one famous photograph of the man, his wife and their two children cowering on the grass just as the limo passed after the shot had been fired. i stood there with him and had him recount that day. and he was standing facing the limo. and he says that that he very clearly heard shots this way. but then there was a shot over his shoulder. wow. there

was another witness, a recording that i obtained where a witness was up on the bridge and he spotted a puff of smoke in the trees at the same location that that witness was pointing to. so there are definitely key elements that point to a second gunman going forward. >> and i know we don't have a ton of time 30s or so here. do you think we ever get more answers to a possible second shooter or in fact, who that was ? >> i think once we get those documents from the government, that's going to shed a lot of light on what happened. and i do feel as though there's got to be something pretty important in those files for the government to have delayed so long. 60 years past, we're still holding to on this material. there has to be something very compelling in those files. yeah. >> well, we want to thank you so much for joining us. i know if you do want to watch it and even though this was done two years ago, the fact that a lot of this is so historic. right. a lot of people have aged in this to a lot of information. >> it definitely pertains to. >> thank you so much, dan, well done. if you want to learn more

about the jfk unsolved documentary, head to our website at. we've built this interactive feature where you can explore dealey plaza, where the assassination took place, and go in depth on all the research. you can also stream jfk unsolved on demand right now for the best viewing experience. log to on our abc7 bay area streaming tv app on apple tv. roku amazon fire and google tv. but you can also find it on our website abc7 news .com. up next, we'll turn our focus to thanksgiving. if the holiday stress you out, you are definitely not alone. a therapist will join us with some expert advice on how to enjoy the holiday without

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a lot of fun. it can also be pretty stressful. joining us live now. caitlin soleil, soleil . excuse me, bay area therapist and author of a little mess of a little less of a hot mess. caitlin, first of all, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> we'd like to say that all things are always perfect around the holidays. no drama whatsoever. but let's be honest. we love our families, but there is always something. >> absolutely. there's always something, right? even with the best intention and the best laid plans, there's always something that comes up. >> what? going into thanksgiving knowing is there a certain mindset that we should have of and should we have expectations? evans. >> yeah, i think there's more of like these, these sort of rules we can set for ourselves, i guess hold them loosely, but more of an approach to the holiday, which is i really want to remember that today is just another day. i know there's a

lot that comes with holidays and i know that there's a lot of planning that goes into it, but we can't expect our family or our friends loved ones to be different suddenly because it's a holiday like our family is who they are, just like we are who we are. so expecting them to somehow be different than they were before is both unrealistic. and you're probably going to set yourself up for failure. so go into the holiday knowing who people are and setting some boundaries around that, maybe picking wisely. >> when you sit in a certain spot at the table. >> yeah, be a little strategic about where you sit. yeah. >> what is the biggest complaint that you hear from people about thanksgiving or the holidays? >> sure. i think the biggest thing that people tell me is no matter how much they try and avoid or they don't want to bring up tricky subjects, these topics get brought up, whether it's politics or some other kind of uncomfortable situation where they might have different opinions or values than their friends or family members. it can be hard to avoid these topics. so i think it's

important to kind of go into the holiday with, say, an exit plan for tricky conversations if you don't want to engage in them. and i know it depends on kind of your unique situation, but just having an exit plan, if you're feeling uncomfortable, can be really helpful. for example, excuse me, i need to use the restroom. that's a perfectly valid way to exit the conversation because we really want to have these conversations at a time when you know, a motion is low and cognition is high, and usually that's not on a holiday like thanksgiving with all like the food and sometimes the alcohol thrown in the mix. usually people aren't kind of the most calm version of themselves. >> so is there anything that you recommend? we have that list up there and i think some of those are great. well before we get into that, you talk about the exit plan, and i find it fascinating that it can be as simple as what, going to the bathroom. >> sure, it can be as simple as excuse me, i have to use the restroom or oh, i hear my phone ringing. you know, whatever. it

works for you or if you're more of a direct person, which is which is great, i would just simply say, you know what? i'm i'm not really in the mood to have that conversation right now or i could talk about this with you at another time. um, but don't want to talk about it today. so it just depends on where you feel comfortable. for me, i may choose to kind of exit the conversation by using the restroom or connecting with a friend or a loved one who's a little bit more on the same page as me is there anything that you recommend not doing at the table? >> i know over the years we've heard, you know, don't talk religion, don't talk politics, and on those sides of things, there's, you know, two wars going on in the world. you have an election next year. do you not talk about those things? do you talk about those things? what what shouldn't you do when you go to the table? >> well, i think it's not fair to make a blanket statement like do not talk politics, do not talk religion. don't talk war at the table. because like i said, everyone's situation and dynamic is different. i think what's

important to know is that when you have a big group of people with lots of different feelings and lots of different beliefs, you're likely going to get some pushback. if you do choose to engage in that conversation. so just know that. just know that not everybody is going to agree with you. and i do think there's a time and place for healthy conversation and to engage in these types of conversations. but again, maybe the thanksgiving table is not that time or place. i don't know about you, but it's not very often that i hear people be like, you know what? i had the best conversation with uncle joe about politics on thanksgiving, right? >> uncle joe about politics. i love it. and how important is it, you know, because many of us might spend the entire week, three, four days with family members. how important is it to do things that make you happy during all of this? i mean, you're going to have to be at the table for thanksgiving and things like that. but but if you wanted to talk a little bit about that in doing things that make you happy. yeah, absolutely. >> i think that's so important.

and i'll just say it especially early for us, like me that are moms and women, i think so often we do things. i think everyone does this, but especially us moms kind of do things for everyone else and we try and please everyone else before ourselves and then we feel depleted and resentful. so i think it's really important to plan out some time for yourself. and that could look like picking 1 or 2 things that feel really good for you to do on the holiday. whether that's a specific tradition one or whether that's like a practice of gratitude for me. i know i really love to go for a walk or a jog in the morning before a big family gathering because i have a really fun, big, chaotic family and i feel kind of exhausted by the end of the night. and it's just like a lot of energy output. so i really think it's important if we can pick 1 or 2 things that we know are going to kind of make us feel better or give back to ourselves, we end up getting through the day much better. and again, it's just 24 hours. i think that's so important to remember. holiday is 24 hours.

so yes, do things to take care of you, but don't make that day the end all, be all uh. >> caitlin, thank you so much. i feel like we could keep going. it's very uplifting. some of the advice and i'll tell you, i like the exit strategy of going to the restroom. it's just so simple. thank you so much. caitlin sully thank you. up next, stressed about cooking the turkey tomorrow. leave it to butterball. an expert from their turkey talk-line joins us coming up on gett where your happy is everywhere! anywhere! he's “pew-pew! pew-pew!” kinda happy. they're even happy-er. and you?! you're the ha-pee-ist of them all! because this place... has all the happy you never knew could exist. so you're a new kind of happy, every time you visit. welcome to your happiest place on earth! only at the disneyland resort. for a limited time, kids ages 3 through 9 can visit a disneyland resort® theme park for $50 per child with a special 1-day, 1-park ticket.

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of cooking and need some help. don't worry. the butterball turkey talk-line is back for its fourth tsay second year. joining us live now is one of the talk-line supervisors, mary alice coffey, who's been doing this for 30 years. and mary, you're already in the kitchen. where are you right now? >> yes, thank you. welcome. we are in the butterball turkey

talk-line kitchen. the official kitchen at butterball and we're here getting ready. we are building calls outside the kitchen at the talk-line center. we have over 52 home economy artists and food professionals and educators. all these with food backgrounds answering all the calls. and it's been busy all day. >> i love it. the big day is tomorrow. now, if you haven't started thawing your turkey out, is it too late? >> no, it's never too late. so not to worry. just go ahead and leave your turkey in the original package like this. set it in a cooler in a tub of cold water. just cold tap water. it could be left in your sink. you don't have to do anything special to it. you just change the water every 30 minutes and it will take 30 minutes a pound to thaw out completely once it's thawed out, you're going to put it on a tray back in the refrigerator. so you're all set for cooking it tomorrow. >> love it now. and can you

explain the rule of the three ts, the thaw thermometer? and to our rule? >> sure. >> well, that's just an easy way to remember it. the three ts, the time and first of all, is the thawing. you want to make sure that the turkey is thawed because it will give you an even cooking. so that's very important. 30 minutes a pound in cold water or it's one full day for every 4 pounds in the refrigerator. yeah, the next key would be the temperature. your meat thermometer is your best friend in the kitchen, so make sure you have a good working meat thermometer and the temperature is going to be 180. and the thigh, 170 in the breast. if you have stuffing, you're going to put it right into the stuffing and it will read 165. so you're those those tips are very important for the temperatures. love it. and then, of course, the last one is the two day rule after you're finished eating, we want you to take the meat off the bone. you have about two hours to take everything off the bone. just

leave. what you're going to eat for the weekend like for sandwiches in the refrigerate after for only 3 to 4 days. the rest of the meat, you're going to go ahead and put in your freezer. and it's good to have like freezer bags, which are handy and divide it up into bags and you can freeze it and use it within two months. love it. >> i'm getting hungry. just looking at your setup right there. i am curious now how popular because we're talking about the butterball turkey talk-line and i know it's been going for 42 years and i suspect that 42 years ago, the you know, you didn't have the internet at and those calls were just coming in and coming in. how popular is this call line and how many calls are you getting there? >> oh, my goodness. it has just exploded. we started out with six home economists 40 plus years ago, and they would answer the calls on a regular phone, use their rolodex for the information. and now we get almost 4000 calls on

thanksgiving day alone. but we have a lot of ways to contact us, too. so that is changed. you can send us an email, a text, a chat. we're answering and fielding information all day long. so over the season, we field almost 100,000 contacts. >> wow. that is something. and for people who want to call, it's one 800 butterball. what is the biggest question or concern that you get when people call? >> well, of course, right now it's the thawing. you know, how do i saw the turkey and will i have enough time? so that's the number one question every year. and of course, this time of day, that will be in the early morning. that will be the question. but then also how to prepare the turkey. and so our recommended easiest way of all to prepare it is set your oven at 325 and then you get your turkey out of the bag, take out the giblets and the neck, the giblets are under the neck cavity and the neck of the turkey is in the body cavity. take those out, pat it dry with

paper towels. you don't need to wash it. and then you're going to put take a little oil. you can either spray it on the top or you can just baste it with a little bit of oil and what that will do is make the skin turn nice and golden brown so when you're ready to cook, it's going to look beautiful, just like out of a magazine. yeah. so make sure you have the meat thermometer and you're all set. >> i love hearing that. and we also see these days, you know, we see the fire departments posting those videos of the fried turkeys outside. do you recommend frying a turkey or are you all about baking a turkey? >> well, no, we had a lot of calls about deep frying and a lot of people love it. so we do have recommended tips for deep frying. if you call us, we can let you know. one thing we would say is when you're your oil is nice and hot. turn off the propane and then slowly lower your turkey into the oil. then you turn your propane back on and that will prevent that big,

giant upset of all the flames going in the air. >> mary alice, i feel like we could we could keep talking about this all day. you're making me hungry. you're making the audience hungry. thank you so much for joining us and have a wonderful thanksgiving. >> thank you very much. and happy thanksgiving to all of you. i hope

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