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tonight -- jodie foster -- jeffrey wright -- and music from duff mckagan, with cleto and the cletones. and now, jimmy kimmel! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: hi, everyone. very nice. welcome, welcome. i'm jimmy, i am the host of the show. thank you for coming. thank you for watching at home and for joining us here at our beautiful headquarters here in hollywood, california, where things have settled down. we had a tumultuous week butting heads with delusional people. you know, i was watching people actually play football. the college national championship game -- the university of michigan beat

the university of washington by a score of 34-13. [ cheers ] if you believe the mainstream media. [ laughter ] blake corum and will johnson were the most valuable players. congratulations to them. but the player i was most taken by was this gentleman. noticed the huskies quarterback, michael penix jr. who has probably been through a lot. [ laughter ] i mean, look at these headlines day. "penix jr. takes pounding" [ laughter ] "penix jr. on loss to michigan: 'we beat ourselves.'" "michael penix slides." [ laughter ] it's not an easy life. but he'll be fine. we are currently in the middle of what is being called a "tripledemic." which sounds like the new burger at jack in the box. [ laughter ] health officials say we need to act now to get vaccinated before it becomes a tripledemic with cheese. [ laughter ] please, this thing could super size. this thing could supersize. this tripledemic is the flu, covid, and rsv all teaming up, like the avengers of phlegm. [ laughter ] doctors are urging americans to

ask your medical professional, or whichever nfl quarterback you trust, for preventive advice. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] speaking of viruses, donald trump was this court again today. [ laughter ] trump spends so much time in court, the sketch artists are running out of orange pastels. [ laughter ] he was in washington, d.c. for a hearing related to his little insurrection problem. [ laughter ] trump is trying to short-circuit the whole case by saying he was protected by "presidential immunity." which made it okay for him to try to overturn the election. i don't think the judges bought it. listen to this exchange. one of the judges asked trump's lawyer if presidential immunity meant trump could order special forces to kill a political rival. >> i asked you a yes-or-no question. could a president who ordered s.e.a.l. team 6 to assassinate a political rival, who was not impeached, would he be subject

to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impeached and convicted first -- >> so your answer is no? >> my answer is qualified yes. there's a political process that would have to occur under the structure of our constitution. >> jimmy: that's trump's lead lawyer, joe camel. [ laughter ] with the most ridiculous answer imaginable. if the president can order s.e.a.l. team 6 to kill a political rival, trump better lock the doors at mar-a-lago. because intra zook ka joe biden has every reason to blow it to kingdom come. [ cheers and applause ] the hearing did not go well for trump. but after it was over he went in front of the cameras to tell everyone it did. >> i want thank you all. and i had a great, moment tut day in terms of what was learned and what they've conceded. they've conceded two major points. they were right in doing it. i don't think they were much of a point. they were very, very big, very, very powerful. >> jimmy: he has no idea what those points he made up are. there are none.

you scored no points. it was a shutout! but go on. >> we had a very good day today. the concession of these two major points was pretty amazing. and honestly, i'm very glad they did it. i think they did the right thing. >> jimmy: again, no idea what he's saying. [ laughter ] he can't even make a point about points. [ laughter ] his other line of defense is that charges against him would lead to "bedlam." which is basically a threat. he's saying people will riot in the streets. and also, he keeps whining that the world is against him. >> the least i'm entitled to is presidential immunity, just like any other president would get. i'd be the only one that they would even consider not giving the immunity. because for whatever reason, people are angry that i've done such a good job. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: right, that's why we're so upset. and that you're so damn good-lookin'! [ laughter ] it drives us nuts! do you think he actually thinks he did a good job? when my son scribbles a circle with a face on it, i go "good job!" even he knows i'm patronizing him. [ laughter ] he's in kindergarten.

trump is also reported to be heading to new york thursday to personally deliver part of the closing argument in the $250 million fraud case against him. i'm sure his lawyers are thrilled. "you wanna do what? shouldn't you be like, in iowa? thursday?" this man is a disaster. on every level. and yet there are still so many die-hards. look at this house. this is a home in maryland, all decked out in trumphenalia. it is scarier than any haunted house you will ever see. [ laughter ] could you imagine delivering a pizza to that place? [ laughter ] i'd love to see trump spend one night in that house with those people. [ laughter ] but for whatever reason the race, at least according to the polls that are usually wrong, is a toss up. age is definitely an issue for joe biden. he is in desperate need of support from young voters. and grampotus is pulling out all the bells and whistles to win them back. >> my fellow americans, we're facing an inflection point in

history. now more than ever, we need young hustlers like you. i mean it, fam, no cap. on god, i'm being dead-ass here, bam. another trump presidency won't slop. i know he ain't riz but he's given dictator, he's fascism coded. you think i'm mid or change or that i represent a two-party system that makes you feel complicit in foreign policy decisions that ain't bussin'? hang tight, bro. a second term would be different. cause the national anthem is a bop, democracy is a bbaddie, an america is mother. i'm jioe biden and i've no idea what the hell i just said. [ cheers and applause ]

>> jimmy: to be honest, i don't either. elon musk is pushing back on concerns from members of his companies who believe he uses illegal drugs. musk says he doesn't which would mean when he named his baby "techno mechanicus" he had no excuse whatsoever. [ laughter ] according to the "wall street journal," any illegal drig use by elon musk would violate federal policies and could risk spacex's contracts with the government. it has been alleged that he's taken a variety of drugs including cocaine, lsd, ketamine, and twitter. i'm sorry, x. [ laughter ] i mean x. i always get those confused. [ laughter ] he says he's clean in every test. i have to say, i don't know much about business, but it's never a good sign when your ceo has to be like, "don't worry, i'm not on drugs. i am just naturally unhinged!" [ laughter ] if i was him, i'd take the drug excuse and run with it. [ laughter ] this is our second show of the new year. [ cheers and applause ] we took a few weeks off for the holidays. on a personal note, i wanted to

mention we have a new member of the family. our kids, the little ones, have been asking for a dog for at least a year. every day. dog, dog, dog. especially our daughter. but we didn't want to just give them one, we wanted to get something if return for the dog. so we told our daughter jane, who is 9, and doesn't eat anything. "if you try 20 new foods, we will get you a dog." i thought this was genius. she tried six new foods, didn't like any of them, and quit. one of them was pineapple. she didn't like pineapple. can you imagine? we said," all right, we made a deal, that's it. you want a dog, you have to try 14 more foods" and that's where it stopped for months. she would not eat. we said no dog. until her brother stepped in, 6-year-old billy kimmel took a stand. three weeks before christmas, he says "we want a dog for christmas and if we don't get one, we know you're santa claus." [ laughter ] he shook us down. [ laughter ] so we got him a dog.

[ cheers and applause ] what are you going to do? my wife -- now they have to find the dog. my wife goes on one of these tin der-style dog-matching apps to find a rescue. [ laughter ] we got one from some very nice people at a place called, "wags and walks." [ cheers ] we got a three-year-old mackadoodle. oh, you know that? all right. a mac adoodle is half poodle, half macaroni and cheese, is that right? [ laughter ] we don't know for sure what he is. but his name is todd. he came with the name and we thought it was funny to have a dog named todd, so we kept it. and then jane gave him the middle name birkenstock. we have no idea why. she doesn't even own a pair of birkenstocks. but his name now is todd birkenstock kimmel. so far, what we know about todd birkenstock is, he's very sweet, very calm. very nice. and if you leave the door open even a sliver, he will burst through it like walter payton, and run like he's being chased by the devil. [ laughter ] friday night, he got away. it's 11:00 and i am running

through the neighborhood as fast as i can screaming, "todd, todd!" [ laughter ] [ applause ] i pray to god no one had their ring cameras going. [ laughter ] i have no idea why he runs. he's got it very good. he's got everything. i think it's possible that he thinks we stole him. [ laughter ] he was living in a house with 56 other dogs. as far as todd knows, he was taken from his family. by us. [ laughter ] he thinks we are his dognappers. now we have a whole -- we have all -- every electronic device strapped to his neck. todd will never have a private moment again. [ laughter ] it's terrifying when the dog runs. i needed a drink. >> not me, jimmy! >> jimmy: what was that? >> i said not me! it doesn't make me want a drink because i'm doing dry january. >> jimmy: oh, okay, thanks. >> yeah. just wanted to let you know. >> jimmy: okay. so anyway, as i was saying -- >> i can explain dry january in

case there are people who don't know what it is. >> jimmy: i think people -- no, it's really not necessary, i think everybody pretty much knows -- >> basically "dry" january means no alcohol for the whole month of january. >> jimmy: right. >> okay? that's why they call it dry january. like, "my mouth is dry from no drinks." does that make sense? >> jimmy: it does, yes. makes perfect sense. >> my dry january is going really good so far, thanks for asking. >> jimmy: yeah, i didn't. i didn't ask. >> i feel great. and i'm noticing a big difference physically. like a huge difference. don't i look different? >> jimmy: i really don't know, i've never seen you before. [ laughter ] >> i don't have a problem. >> jimmy: i didn't say you had a -- >> good. [ laughter ] i don't even miss alcohol. i don't even think about it. >> jimmy: okay. you know what, i'm happy for you. but i am in the middle of -- i was just talking about the dog -- >> honestly, the most i've thought about alcohol this whole time is probably right now when you asked me about it. >> jimmy: i can't stress enough

how much i never asked you about it. [ laughter ] >> and now i can't stop thinking about it! alcohol. like, drinking it and stuff. >> jimmy: yeah, well maybe this is a situation where -- >> i mean yeah, i feel great, but imagine how great i'd feel if i was drunk! on alcohol. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i have to say, it sounds like you're struggling a little bit. >> no, no, i'm fine. i just need to talk to my dry january buddy. >> jimmy: is that like a sponsor? >> no. it's not that serious. it's a buddy i can call if dry january gets so awesome that i start sweating and shaking uncontrollably. let me call him. >> jimmy: okay. well, you -- [ phone ringing ] [ laughter and applause ] >> guillermo: go for guillermo. >> jimmy: wait. your buddy is guillermo? >> yeah. g, man, i don't think i'm going to make it through dry january, it's too hard. >> guillermo: buddy, listen. i think you should have a little bit of tequila to calm you down. >> that would be awesome,

thanks, yeah, absolutely. >> jimmy: i think maybe you guys are kind of missing the point of dry january -- because it doesn't seem -- [ cheers and applause ] >> guillermo: it's better, right? >> i feel a lot better now, yeah. >> jimmy: wait, so, after all that, you're just giving up on dry january? >> i'll do dry february. it's only 25 days. >> jimmy: 28. >> okay, nerd. >> guillermo: yeah, nerd. come on, guy. let's go get wet. [ laughter and applause ] >> happy january! >> jimmy: thank you. every once in a while, we like to bring some of the kids in for a school play. [ laughter ] we have a great show for you tonight. very talented -- two very talented actors. jeffrey wright is here. [ cheers and applause ] we have music from duff and we'll be right back with jodie foster, so stick around!

>> jimmy: hi, welcome back. tonight, his highly acclaimed movie is called "american fiction." jeffrey wright is with us.

[ cheers and applause ] then later, the bass player for a local band called guns n' roses. this is his fourth solo album, "lighthouse" - music from duff mckagan. [ cheers and applause ] tomorrow night, we'll be joined by sunday's golden globe winners, two of them. robert downey jr. and ayo edebiri, with music from fridayy. our first guest is a legend if ever there was one. an oscar-winning actor, director, graduate of yale and silencer of lambs. next, she stars in the long-awaited return of "true detective." season four premieres sunday on hbo and max. please welcome jodie foster. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: how are you doing? >> hi. [ cheers ]

>> jimmy: i saw you on the television on sunday night. >> yes? >> jimmy: at the golden globes. you were nominated for 62 naiad," which was a great movie. [ cheers and applause ] about a very interesting woman. i happen to know diana nyad. >> bonnie too? >> jimmy: bonnie too. very lovely, very interesting, fun, funny people. >> really quite a pair? you present -- it occurred to me you've been going to these award shows -- >> yes. >> jimmy: how old were you at the first one? >> i did the oscars when i was 8 or 9. i sang at the oscars. >> jimmy: you did, what did you sing? >> i don't -- some awful song. [ laughter ] from an animated movie. and they made me wear, like, bright orange, vinyl shoes, and i was just mortified. i couldn't believe i had to wear these orange shoes. a ptsd moment. >> jimmy: after raising children, do you ever think about that? a the 8 or 9? you go to a kids recital, it's a

big deal, they're nervous. you're singing on the oscars. >> yeah. i didn't think about that. "what are you doing? get a job! what's the matter with you?" it's a summer vacation thing. >> jimmy: how old were you the firsters time you were nominated for an oscar? >> i was -- i had done the movie at 12, i was 13. >> jimmy: 13 years old, "taxi driver," right? >> "taxi driver." [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: you and robert de niro, martin scorsese, who were there? >> they were there, seated right next to me, which is kind of amazing. >> jimmy: it is amazing that the three people from that movie would still be there -- >> alive, here we are. >> jimmy: nominated, working and alive, yeah. >> incredible. >> jimmy: even that is an accomplishment. so we have a photograph that i'd love to share. 1977. the first oscar nomination. >> oh, wow. >> jimmy: there you are. >> that was my date.

>> jimmy: your mom and your date. >> because he was the cutest boy in my class. [ laughter ] todd katz, you're out there somewhere, todd. >> jimmy: todd is his name? >> yeah. [ cheers and applause ] and that's my mom. >> jimmy: and your mom. so did you ask todd if he would go to the oscars with you? >> i did, and he had a little tuxedo and everything. he didn't like me anymore after that. >> jimmy: did todd ever try to run out the door -- [ laughter ] your todd, i mean? >> not really. wrong todd. >> jimmy: do you keep in touch with todd? >> i run into him every once in a while, like at ras bin robins or something. >> jimmy: when was the last time? >> it was at the baskin-robbins. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: we have a surprise for you, actually. todd is here with us tonight. there he is! [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: he wants to know if you want to go get some ice cream. >> that's really funny. he's going to laugh, man. >> jimmy: i was reading

something, an interview where you were saying that de niro and scorsese were scared of you when you were shooting that movie? >> yeah, which i understand. i was 12. they had to say things like, "can you pull his fly down?" it was a little awkward. i had made a lot more movies than they had, so whatever, just move over. >> jimmy: you had made a lot more movies than they had at that age? >> yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: that's pretty crazy. >> they were a little scared. scorsese especially couldn't stop giggling. de niro had to take over. >> jimmy: really? >> uh-huh. >> jimmy: does he still giggle when he talks to you? >> scorsese giggles with everybody. yes, he does. >> jimmy: like a tickle me elmo in a lot of ways. >> he is like a tickle me elmo. >> jimmy: who scared you, working with the many people you worked with? >>. >> well, there were a lot of legends when i was a little bit. lucille ball i think. >> jimmy: what did you do with lucille ball? >> i did "the lucille ball show." not when she was younger and

happy and doing comedy. she was rough and older. [ laughter ] she was super scary. i don't know. i didn't think she liked kids that much. >> jimmy: oh, really? >> yeah. >> jimmy: even seeing her in color would be disconcerting, i think. [ laughter ] this is post "i love lucy." then oh, yeah, so she wouldn't -- yeah. >> hair color, i think it was a clown thing. it wasn't tangerine. she had a tangerine-y thing on her head. >> jimmy: for sure. >> that was scary. >> jimmy: i would think it would be a little scary unless you're at a birthday party or something like that. >> yes. >> jimmy: "true detective," we're going to see a clip of that, i saw it last night. i love the series. matthew mcconaughey is a producer on the show? >> he is, he's in there, somewhere in the mix. >> jimmy: all right, very good. >> it's a wonderful, wonderful show. we loved making it. it's just a thing i'm the most proud of. >> jimmy: we're going to take a look at the clip from the new season of "true detective" with

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you live here all year long, all alone? like months. what are they looking for, digging that ice up? >> i think -- the origin of life? >> oh, that thing.

[ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: well, that's a heck of a thing to see on a dry erase board. we are back with jodie foster. that is "true detective" season four. each season is entirely its own thing? >> yeah, it's an anthology series, which we love. it's like a full, long movie. each one of them is a long movie. >> jimmy: this one's supernatural -- i think the first one -- yeah, there has been some supernatural themes. this one seems a little extra supernatural. >> it's very cookie, and of course the environment is nothing else we usually come into contact with. it's the arctic in northern alaska. with lots of women, so that makes it different, too. and yeah, i just love this one. >> jimmy: typically there aren't in these stations we see from time to time up in alaska, typically there aren't a lot of women in those stations? >> well, they're scientists. as we know, science is behind in

terms of having women doing science. so mostly they're men up there. in this case, they're men and they're missing. >> jimmy: they're men and they're missing. >> i'm not telling you more. >> jimmy: yeah, you'd kind of ruin it if you did tell us any more. did you shoot it in alaska? >> we actually shot in iceland. because alaska -- the area of alaska we needed to go to is sort of inaccessible. they barely have any roads. it would have been too difficult. the weather, much colder there than in iceland. so we shot everything in iceland, which couldn't have been a more amazing, extraordinary place. >> jimmy: did you see the northern lights while you were up there? >> yeah, yeah, we saw the northern lights all the time. >> jimmy: yeah, the northern lights. like when you live in vegas and you see the treasure island or something. [ laughter ] >> you don't see them every night. there's some nights -- it's something about magnetism and you have to have no wind and -- you know, certain conditions. but there were moments where we'd be out shooting on frozen lakes and stuff, then we'd all look up, suddenly the whole sky was green. >> jimmy: wow, that's pretty

great. otherwise, it seems kind of a terrible place to work, yes? [ laughter ] >> actually, no. >> jimmy: it's dark all time, isn't it? >> it is dark, yeah. well, depends. from december 12th or 15th to maybe the beginning of march, it's pretty dark. so, you know, the sun comes up around 11:45. >> jimmy: a.m.? >> a.m. then you try to poke your head out so you get a little vitamin "d" for an hour. >> jimmy: and goes right back down? >> well yeah. it doesn't really come up. it's just ambient light until about 2:30 or 3:00. >> jimmy: yeah, see, that's what i was saying when i said it sounds like of terrible to work there. [ laughter ] >> it's not bad. you can come up with other stuff to do. >> jimmy: a place i want to visit, not necessarily in the winter. but i definitely want to visit there sometime. did you get to know the people? did you get out there? >> oh, yeah, yeah. great music in reykjavik. wonderful people. they have these -- this tradition of these kind of baths. these warm water baths that come up from the thermal waters that

they have. and everybody goes every single day or at least once a week, kids and old people and everybody in your neighborhood. there are little public baths all over the place, then some more remote areas where you go from the hot water to the cold plunges. >> jimmy: do you like that the cold plunge thing? >> i do. >> jimmy: it's very trendy now. you like that? >> i like that a lot. even sometimes where you jump in the water like the regular ocean water as well. >> jimmy: do people up there, is it through they believe in elves in iceland? >> they 100% believe in elves. and they're not funny elves. they're mischievous elves. you're missing your keys? "elves." you get one sock from the dryer? "the elves got it." their christmas elf -- there are specific christmas elves. >> jimmy: we have them on shelves at our home, yeah. >> it's just awful. like mothers eat thanksgiving children. >> jimmy: what? >> all the little kids are

wunderbar! >> jimmy: do you think they believe in the elves or is it folklore of the country? >> they totally believe in the elves. >> jimmy: they do believe in the elves? >> they do. >> jimmy: i'm definitely dressing like an elf when i go there. [ laughter ] i'm going to wreak havoc on the nation. >> yes, you are. >> jimmy: can i tell you something? it was a newsworthy item or made the news. there was a quote about gen-xers that -- >> oh. >> jimmy: a magazine. >> gen-zers. >> jimmy: sorry, one of the letters. we skipped right by "y." they said, correct me if i'm wrong, they were really annoying, especially in the workplace. they're like, no, i'm not feeling it today, i'm going to come in at 10:30 or in emails i'll tell them, this is this is gra maticly incorrect, did you check your spelling? why would i do that, isn't it kind of limiting? >> yeah, i got some graph from my sons. >> jimmy: really? >> you're older, "in my day, we had to walk to school with

crampons on" or something. >> jimmy: everything we did was right, everything we did was good for us. >> the new generation, they're lucky. they learned they could say no. we didn't know that, right? we didn't have the kind of free freedom. there's a double edge to that. there are things you learn when you're unfree. >> jimmy: yeah. >> and overly disciplined. >> jimmy: like, for instance, if somebody gives you a pair of vinyl orange shoes to wear on the oscars -- >> yes, you wear them, shut up. >> jimmy: when you're 8 years old, you put them on and you sing. >> yeah, yeah. and i do have a lot of those stories as a kid. and i'm always saying that to my kids where they're cold. "cold? you don't know about cold. let me tell you what try being --" i have a lot of that. >> jimmy: i'm sure the kids enjoy that. >> a lot of that. >> jimmy: great to see you. >> you too. >> jimmy: "true detective." season four premiere meres sunday on hbo and max.

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>> jimmy: hi, there, welcome back to the show. duff mckagan is on the way.

you know our next guest there three james bonds, two wes andersons, one batman, now getting rave reviews for his performance in "american fiction." >> yeah, wait a minute. why are these books here? >> i'm not sure. i would imagine that this author, ellison, is -- black. >> that's me. ellison. >> yeah. >> he is me. and he and i are black. >> oh, bingo. >> no bingo, ned. these books have nothing to do with african american studies. they're just literature. the blackest thing about this one is the ink. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: "american fiction" is in theaters starting friday. please welcome jeffrey wright! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: how are you doing? >> wow. wow. sweet crowd. >> jimmy: great to have you

here. >> thank you. >> jimmy: i saw you at the golden globe as well, on television, of course, not in person. i was not there. >> oh, okay. we missed you. >> jimmy: well, thank you. i appreciate that. >> yeah. >> jimmy: was it fun? >> it was fun, it was fun. i hadn't been to one i guess in about 20 years. >> jimmy: oh. >> that night, i came home with a little trinket. so -- with a souvenir. so that was more fun. >> jimmy: you won, right, yes. [ cheers and applause ] for "angels in america." >> yes, yeah. no, we had a fantastic time, we had a great time. >> jimmy: you brought your kids? >> i brought the kids. >> jimmy: i've met your kids. they're here with us. hi, kids. [ cheers and applause ] good-looking kids you've got there. >> yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: did they behave themselves at the show? >> they did beautifully. >> jimmy: who are the kids most excited to meet at the golden globe? >> you know, they did get a chance to meet harrison ford. >> jimmy: that's a good one. >> that's pretty cool. >> jimmy: harrison ford, you

could be 95 years old, you could be 11 years old, you're excited to see harrison ford. >> you have appreciation for him, yeah. >> jimmy: you were in a movie together? >> sort of. we were in a movie together -- i think git was 1989. if i had a calculator, i think 35 years ago. my first major film, really. if you can find me in this movie, i'll give you a nickel. [ laughter ] i'm a literal bearded blur in the beginning of the film. so he plays a district attorney. and so they needed, you know, young actors and actors to make up the rest of the office. so i studied politics in college, so yeah, that guy's i guess reasonably smart, throw him in there. i had no idea what i was doing. but alan pacula who directed things like "all the presidents' men" and "sophie's choice," a brilliant, brilliant guy, had us

rehearse for about a week to make sure that we were going to be authentic when it came time to shoot. so i -- i -- i made it over to queens, i think, i'm sitting next to harrison ford, so at that time was at the peak of his career. >> jimmy: yeah. >> and if i had a subway token in my pocket to get back home from queens to manhattan, i was lucky, you know? i was just starting. but he was so wonderful. he was so, so gracious. and he did something one day when we were filming i never forgot. and i told him so the other day. we were filming. he was on the other side of the set. alan pacula called him. "harrison!" and he said, "sir?" and i stopped a minute. because it was like, whoa. this is not like the fun and games that i expected. this is not loose in the pants. there's a level of respect and a level of decorum that he's

showing here to this man and to the process. and it really -- it really stayed with me. >> jimmy: did he remember that? >> he didn't necessarily remember that moment. but when i told him, when i reminded him of it, i told him how much it meant to me, he was kind of touched by it. it was pretty cool. >> jimmy: huh. >> because, you know, it was just one of those lessons that was better than pay, you know? >> jimmy: it's a great lesson. if han solo can say "sir," so can everyone else. [ laughter ] >> exactly, exactly. >> jimmy: i heard he called alec guinness just "alec." >> yeah, didn't bother, yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: what did you do before you were an actor? what was your job before you got that part? >> so i didn't do much aside from theater when i was early on, but there was a job that i had. i did have one job that was probably the best job that i've ever had outside of acting. that was after my freshman year of college. i worked for the washington gas company back in my hometown of

d.c. >> jimmy: what did you do for the gas company? >> repairing gas mains. >> jimmy: you did yourself? >> yeah. well, you know -- the skilled work was for someone else. i was more like the guy that, you know -- who they told, "junior, see that patch of earth over there? grab that jackhammer and that shovel and put a hole in it." >> jimmy: you got to use the jackhammer? >> oh, yeah. >> jimmy: that was good, huh? >> i was a member of the international union of gas workers. >> were you really? >> yeah. >> jimmy: are you still? >> i -- i still have my union card. >> jimmy: uh-huh? >> but no, no, no. >> jimmy: do you remember any of the other gas workers? was it like a crew you worked with? >> yeah, you would -- you're on a truck. these are big 24-inch, 48-inch mains that run under the streets that serve, you know, gas to -- you know, to residences and businesses, you know. this is, like, serious stuff. so the skilled work was left to others on the crew. we were like a bunch of pirates on a truck, just land pirates, just wondering the city.

there was a guy that i remember, his name was willie. and willie was -- he was about my height, but he was slight. he was probably about 125 pounds in his boots and helmet. >> jimmy: really. >> he was one of those guys who i would think needed maybe a couple of tastes of whiskey in the morning to kind of calm the system. >> jimmy: i see. >> you know? the system was reliant on that. in willie's case. but he was a wonderful guy. he was a character. and i loved him to death. and willie would say, you know -- we'd be out there working, you know. you know, it's hot. middle of summer. you know, you're hungry. "will what time is it?" he says, "goddamn --" you can't tell these stories without cursing. "dammit, junior, i wish you'd learn somebody else's name, when the [ bleep ] man come up i'ma buy you a watch." i mean, the [ bleep ] house man

was the guy who drove to various worksites and cleaned the port-a-potties. except he also sold -- you know, he sold things from his truck. you know. he had chewing gum. and -- >> jimmy: whoa, that's the last thing you want to buy from that guy. [ laughter ] >> he probably had some whiskey as well, you know. >> jimmy: wow. >> he was, like, the port-a-potty guy/dollar general on wheels. you know? that was his thing. but one day we're having lunch. sitting around the truck or whatever. almost over. i see will walking toward me. and as he approaches me, i see in his hand like this slender box. and he reaches out to me and he says, "here, junior." and it was a timex watch. >> jimmy: oh, wow. >> that he had bought me. >> jimmy: wow. >> and i was so -- it was just such a -- like a kind offering. and it kind of told me, you're

one of us. you know? that i had been accepted. and you know, i was of the brotherhood of gas workers. >> jimmy: of gas workers. >> but it was also, of course, the fact that he didn't want me calling his damn name anymore. [ laughter ] that had something to do with it. but that genuinely -- it genuinely moved me. >> jimmy: he gave you the gift of punctuality. >> exactly. i still have that gift. >> jimmy: you mentioned using profane words. the movie is great. you're great in the movie. >> thank you, man. >> jimmy: there's one thing that's really funny. i don't -- i'm going to leave to it you. what was the working title of the film before you released it? >> oh, the working title was -- if you see the movie, you'll understand. the working title was [ bleep ]. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that was the name that you guys wanted to give the movie? >> we tried. yeah. >> jimmy: who stepped in and advised you against that? >> well, someone with a bit, i guess, more marketing savvy than the director, cord jefferson and

i. "you know, if you go on google and you look up [ bleep ] the movie? it's not the movie that you want to sell." >> jimmy: yeah, yeah. [ applause ] i think that marketing guy was probably -- >> yeah. yeah. >> jimmy: leslie ugums is in the movie? >> plays my mother. so wonderful, i've been a huge fan. >> jimmy: yeah. >> for the younger in your audience, leslie ugums is an absolute legend. she was on "roots." she was -- she had her own variety show in 1969. >> jimmy: she was on every show in the '70s. >> you would see her, she would perform with sinatra, sammy davis jr. in vegas. she was absolutely beautiful, glamorous, voice like a bird. but she and that --

>> jimmy: did you have a crush on her in the '70s? >> didn't we all? >> jimmy: yeah, yeah, for sure. did you tell her? >> i told her the last day. "leslie, i have to tell you something." i said, "mother, i've had a crush on you since the first day i saw you." [ laughter ] i waited till the last day, might have been a little awkward. >> jimmy: yeah, yeah. >> distracting. freud would approve. >> jimmy: for sure, yeah. >> but it might not have helped us working together. >> jimmy: well, i'm sure that made her feel good? >> oh, god, yes. i mean, yeah. she's still full of fire, you know. >> jimmy: great to have you here. >> thank you, jimmy, thanks so much. >> jimmy: thank you for coming. >> thank you so much. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: i will see you soon. jeffrey wright, everybody. "american fiction" is in theaters everywhere this friday. we'll be back with duff mckagan.

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>> jimmy: thanks to jodie foster and jeffrey wright. apologies to matt damon. we ran out of time for him. nightline is next but first, his album "lighthouse" is out now, here with the song "longfeather" duff mckagan! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ♪ this is "nightline." >> juju: tonight, courtroom chaos. the man caught on camera attacking a judge. >> you are seeing