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>> jimmy: hello. i'm jimmy. i'm the host of the show. thank you for watching. thank you for coming. you did it. you made it. dreams really do come true. we have much to get to tonight, including jerry seinfeld who is here in our studio for the first time. [ cheers and applause ] which is very exciting. wait till you see his teeth, they're perfect. [ laughter ] you will be amazed and delighted. here's some good news, i think. according to a new report from "the washington post," americans are sleeping more than they ever have. or at least since scientists started sneaking into our rooms and measuring how much we're sleeping. [ laughter ] we are sleeping more than we have in the last 20 years. as i look around, i see that some of you are sleeping right now before my eyes. [ laughter ] i do think about that sometimes. people watching at home, falling asleep while we work on the jokes and people -- not just a few people.

probably hundreds of thousands of people. like imagine the rose bowl and dodger stadium and the cotton bowl filled to capacity with sleeping people. that's who i'm talking to right now. [ laughter ] and it's rude. hey, speaking of sleepy, donald trump -- [ laughter ] i guess teddy dozevelt is tired from all the winning, because he nodded off in court again today. cnn reported, "trump is slumped back in his chair with his eyes closed." which is what some call sleeping. why is this not on tv, by the way? i want to see the drool. the good news for trump is that one of his family members finally showed up at court today. the bad news is, it was eric. [ laughter ] eric trump attended his dad's porn star hush money trial today, which in the trump family is as close as you get to playing catch in the yard. [ laughter ] here's a question, if eric was on trial, you think trump would be there in court for him? [ audience: no ] best case scenario, he'd pull up in a limo, yell "witch hunt" out the window and drive back home

for a taco bowl. [ laughter ] the first witness of the day was michael cohen's former banker, gary farro, who, according to this courtroom sketch -- i've not seen him in person, but looks like a lego man came to life and grew ears. judge merchan today, found trump to be in contempt of court for violating his gag order nine times. he fined trump a thousand dollars apiece, for a total of $9,000. which should shut him up. [ laughter ] trump spends $9,000 at the wendy's drive-thru. [ laughter ] i have to say, i really honestly -- even though i'm not on trump's side, i don't think it's fair. this trial is about the fact that he paid a woman to be quiet. now if he isn't quiet, he has to pay them? it makes no sense. they're using his thing against him. [ laughter ] like jesus. a carpenter, who they nailed to a cross. i mean, think about it. read about it -- in your trump brand bibles. [ laughter ] the judge also told trump that if he continues to violate the

gag order, he might lock him up. melania was like, "don't let judge tell you what to do! keep vee-olating! be a man! [ laughter ] the "washington post" published a story that says trump is so furious about the trial he's too livid to fundraise. which is very livid. i mean, that's lived have a la vida loca. trump is annoyed, he's angry, he's flatulent, and worst of all, he's cold! >> so i'm going to go into this trial, sit in a freezing cold icebox for eight hours, nine hours or so. so i appreciate you being here, thank you very much. i'm going to go into the icebox now. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: well, that's where leftover meatloaf belongs. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] incidentally -- the icebox is also what he calls melania's bedroom. [ rim shot ]

i have to say, though -- i don't understand this. if trump is cold, why not add layers? is that not masculine? why not bundle up? >> so we have another day of court in a freezing courthouse. for a purpose, i believe. they don't seem to be able to get the temperature up. [ cheers and applause ] and that's fine. that's just fine. >> jimmy: put some yarn on, it's fine. one of the bigly talking points around the crazy-sphere has been about the judge not letting trump go to his son barron's high school graduation next month. even though the judge hadn't ruled on that subject at all, the maga media was absolutely outraged. >> as you know, my son is graduating from high school, and it looks like the judge will not let me go to the graduation of my son, who's worked very, veriard. it's always tough when you can't go to your son's graduation. >> i think it's outrageous the court can't allow him a day to

go see one of the most significant events in his son's life. >> he can't go to barron's graduation. seems a little severe. >> he can't go to barron trump's high school graduation. >> donald trump won't be able to go to barron's high school graduation. could you believe this judge? >> you're not even allowing a father, never mind a former president but a father, attend his son's graduation? >> it's absolutely ludicrous. it shows his bias. it shows, actually, his hatred towards donald trump. >> jimmy: yeah well, today the judge ruled that he will cancel court on may 17th so trump can go to barron's high school graduation. which is funny because now trump has to go to barron's graduation. [ laughter and applause ] he woke up from a dead sleep and yelled "objection!" [ laughter ] one of trump's lawyers on the case is a guy named will scharf. he's been making the rounds on the news channels and you can very quickly see why, because

this is a man whose smile absolutely lights up a room. >> he's also a republican candidate for missouri attorney general. good to have you here today. >> he's on the legal team representing former president trump. >> in north carolina, lieutenant governor -- >> talking about it, will sharf, former federal prosecutor -- >> former federal prosecutor will sharf. >> mr. sharf, good to see you. >> jimmy: he's the first human attorney to be generated by a.i. [ applause ] oh, we're getting more details on what former years of trump might look like courtesy of trump himself. he sat for an interview with "time" magazine where he laid out his priorities for a second term. and it's quite a "his kampf," i tell you. this is all true. trump says he would carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country. he says he would use the military to build migrant

detention camps. he would let red states monitor women's pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. he would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by congress. he would fire any u.s. attorney who wouldn't carry out his order to prosecute. he is weighing pardons for everyone who attacked the capitol on january 6th. he said he might not come to the aid of an ally in europe or asia if he felt that country wasn't paying enough. he would gut the civil service, close the white house pandemic preparedness office and staff his administration only with those who believe the election was stolen from him. and, when asked about dictatorship, he said, "i think a lot of people like it." [ laughter ] and he's on the cover of "time" magazine. he should be on the cover of "doing time" magazine. [ cheers and applause ] this is "time's" maniac of the year. and while chocolate mussolini is laying out his terms for

surrender, these insane proclamations that, coming from any other candidate, would set off air raid sirens, his buddies in the right wing media are focused on this. >> here's the president of the united states, the man with the nuclear codes at his fingertips, grappling with a bowl of lettuce. he can barely feed himself. watch this for a second. this isn't slowed down. this isn't edited. this is joe trying to eat a bite of salad. just watch. just watch. this man has the nuclear codes. that's the president. that's the president of the united states. the man who's going to push back on russia, china, north korea, are you kidding me? he can't even take a bite of his own salad. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: at least he's had a bite of a salad. [ laughter and applause ]

what is going on here? is joe biden really doing such a great job that you have to focus on his croutons? [ laughter ] by the way, congratulations to travis kelce. he signed a two-year contract extension with the kansas city chiefs. he is now the highest-pained tight end in the nfl. [ cheers and applause ] deservedly so. the new contract is worth $34 million, or as taylor swift calls it, gum money. [ laughter ] can you imagine being in a relationship where you make $34 million and you're still the broke boyfriend? [ laughter ] another weird thing about dating taylor swift is you can be one of the great players of all time and this is the reaction you get to your contract extension -- "this baby, his eyes full of tears." "he's so babygirl." "cutiepie" "sweet boy." "pookiest pookie." he's either a football player or a kitten. meanwhile, taylor swift is having a good week. taylor is now the first artist in history to occupy all of the top 14 spots on billboard's hot 100 list.

[ cheers and applause ] she has 14 songs in the top 14 about how much people don't like her. 29 of the 31 tracks on her new album are in the top 50. which is very sad for the two tracks that aren't in the top 50. [ laughter ] i feel like taylor swift at this point, if she wanted to, could win the kentucky derby. [ laughter ] here in california, we have shenanigans afoot. lawmakers in our state have introduced a bill that would make it easier for workers to not work. from home. this bill, ab-2751, intends to create a better work/life balance for employees by establishing what they call a "right-to-disconnect" rule. this means their employers could be fined for calling, texting or emailing outside of work hours. guillermo, can you imagine if it was against the law for me to text you a little angel emoji before you go to bed. [ laughter ] i could actually be fined for that. >> guillermo: no, jimmy, no. >> jimmy: no.

it's one of those weird ideas that make people wonder what's going on in california. while our governor, gavin newsom, waits for the bill to get to his desk, he's busy working on new propositions that actually benefit our state. >> a message from the 40th governor of california. >> hey, hey, it's your boy, the gavinor. what's this state's number one resource? natural resources. a yes vote on prop 18 will protect them. prop 18 will also protect california's historic monuments. like the pool where phoebe cates took off her bikini top on "fast times at ridgemont high." this bill also bans stoves of all kinds to help californians transition to a statewide raw vegan diet. with a special in-and-out by l.a.x. that you hit by flying back from a weekend. 80% of the cast on california's

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who wants to see some sick [ bleep ]? come on, governor, you're better than this! >> jimmy: thank you, governor. we have a great show for you tonight. melissa benoist is here, we've got music from rhiannon giddens and we'll be right back with jerry seinfeld.

[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: welcome back. tonight, she is originally from krypton. her new show is called, "the girls on the bus." melissa benoist is with us. [ cheers and applause ] then later a grammy-winning

singer/songwriter, you can hear he play the banjo on beyonce's new album. her own album is called "you're the one." rhiannon giddens from the don julio stage. [ cheers and applause ] tomorrow night we'll be joined by ryan gosling and jeff ross. so please join us for that. [ applause ] our first guest tonight is a brilliant and funny man who loves breakfast so much he made a whole movie about it. in three days, his decades-long love affair with pop-tarts blossoms with a new comedy called "unfrosted." watch it starting friday on netflix. please say hello to jerry seinfeld. [ cheers and applause ] ♪

>> jimmy: it's very good to see you. >> it's so good to see you. don't you feel that this is quite a television moment? >> jimmy: it is. for me it's a big television moment. >> for me too. well, not really. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: yeah, yeah. >> but because you are a television fixture, i am a television fixture, we have never been on television together. >> jimmy: that is true. [ cheers and applause ] when i think of a fixture, i think of like a faucet or something. you're so much more than just a fixture, i'd say, jerry. and it's great to have you here. we did it on zoom once. but to have you here -- >> that's not show business. >> jimmy: no, it really isn't. it really isn't. it's very good to to have you. >> did you ever see the clip before dave letterman walked through the apartment door on my set? >> jimmy: yes, yeah. >> that's what this is. i feel like that's what this is. what is he -- dave letterman is hanging around my set one day, "why don't you come in the door?" we shot it. he came in, pretended he was on

the show. it wasn't part of episode. seeing him walk through that door is great. i think we're having a little, what -- >> jimmy: like when cumulative clavin was on "jeopardy!." happy birthday. >> oh, thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: i feel like you're the kind of guy that doesn't like people singing to you? >> i don't. >> jimmy: yeah, no. >> i don't. because -- you know, having an audience like this they make you feel so good. that's enough. >> jimmy: that's good, yeah. >> that feels like enough. >> jimmy: do you think if you didn't have the audience in your life that you would like -- you would enjoy that moment with your family? >> there's no way i could know that. because they've been there so long. >> jimmy: it was a big birthday, your 70th birthday. >> 70 years old, yeah, isn't that weird? [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: was it fun? did you have a good -- did you have a big night?

>> i had the most memorable birthday dinner i've ever had in my life, and i can't tell you why. >> jimmy: truly? >> can't tell you why. >> jimmy: was larry david with you? >> larry david was there. my wife jessica was there. >> jimmy: i would hope so. >> chris bianco came and cooked pizza for it. >> jimmy: that's good. >> you know chris. >> jimmy: i know him quite well. >> he sends his best. >> jimmy: i texted him, "how did it go with jerry last night?" >> you know known him a little longer than me, but i've known him a long time. >> jimmy: you had the dream evening with the pizza and the whole deal. >> yes, yes. >> jimmy: larry david, does he buy you a gift? >> no, no. >> jimmy: you don't want a gift. >> i got the greatest gift for my birthday from colin quinn, who texted me. "as your birthday gift, you don't have to return this text." [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's a great gift. >> i thought that was a really nice gift. >> jimmy: you and larry had a great moment in the -- more than just a great moment. that finale of "curb your

enthusiasm" where you guys -- [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. >> jimmy: i love that -- you guys have gone into this discussion of -- >> the bearded lady thing, yeah. >> jimmy: and it had -- i even went back and rewatched it to make sure that i was seeing what i thought i saw. it had nothing to do with the show at all. >> nothing. >> jimmy: it really had nothing to do with the show. >> nothing. but what you saw there is how larry and i wrote comedy. because i didn't know what he was going to say. they had that set up. he's going to suggest a strange idea to you. and you just respond. so the other thing, i said to larry last night, on the show it's like a minute, two minutes. it was actually like an eight-minute chunk that's hilarious because he slowly builds to it. you meet this amazing girl, there's only one problem. you know. >> jimmy: i boo woo love to see -- >> why don't we put that out? he said they hadn't thought of it. [ laughter ]

hbo, snap out of it, get in the business. >> jimmy: a nice birthday gift for you, for larry to put that eight minutes together. >> yes, yes. >> jimmy: you guys socially have conversations like this about -- >> we have always -- every conversation we have is like that, yeah. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i feel like with him, sometimes i've wanted to say, "oh, i saw something that is a perfect larry david situation." and then i don't. because i know that he probably gets bombarded with that. >> sure. >> jimmy: but i witnessed a perfect larry david situation involving larry david, where he was standing in front of a fireplace and talking to three people about whether or not it's okay to throw his gum in the fireplace. [ laughter ] >> right. >> jimmy: he was looking for a ruling on that. >> right. >> jimmy: yeah. >> does gum burn? >> jimmy: that's a great -- another great question. >> that's the issue. i don't know if it's a great question, but -- >> jimmy: solid larry david/seinfeld discussion question. >> yeah. >> jimmy: this movie "unfrosted," you know i love you, right? honestly i do. >> that's so nice, thank you. and i didn't know that.

[ laughter ] >> jimmy: one of the things that i -- >> and even if you didn't, it's nice to hear it. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: one of the things -- [ cheers and applause ] one of the things that i love, honestly, is how you will grab on to a subject -- >> yeah. >> jimmy: you will explore every crevice of that subject. >> yes. >> jimmy: you will find every funny little thing about it. >> yeah, yeah, i love doing it. >> jimmy: watching this movie made me wish i had written this movie with you. >> yeah. >> jimmy: because -- >> we would have had fun. >> jimmy: you found so many funny things about cereal. >> yes. i love -- if i think something's funny, i will dig into it like a little jack russell terrier. [ laughter ] i can't stop. >> jimmy: i don't want to ruin any of the jokes. >> go ahead. >> jimmy: there's so many things that -- [ laughter ] well, just like -- like the quaker oats guy is such a great character. >> yes, the -- isaiah lamb is the quaker oats guy. we're sitting at the fallen

spoon awards. we turned it into show business, you know. every year they have the bowl and spoon awards. he comes up to the table. we're kellogg's, we're going to win everything every year. he only has the oats every year. it's just the same oats. [ laughter ] he's dressed like the guy on the box, you know. and we're -- "how's it going, isaiah, got anything new nominated this year?" "no, nothing new." [ laughter ] >> jimmy: a little bit of a religious zealot. >> yes, yes. >> jimmy: i find it hard to believe this was true, and this was okay with netflix, but you didn't check with kellogg's before making this movie. >> i -- i -- no, i didn't. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: but there's a possibility that -- i don't know how many millions of dollars you spent on the movie -- >> a lot, a lot of millions, yeah. >> jimmy: that an injunction would be filed. >> it could happen. >> jimmy: yeah. >> but then i explained to them, if it does happen, think of the publicity that would be. would be even bigger. the movie would be even bigger

if i get hauled into court on pop tart charges. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: for sure. for sure. but if i was the lawyer and i'm glad i wasn't the lawyer i would have said, publicity for what? we can't put out the movie. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's incredible that you were able to convince -- who is this lawyer? is this rudy giuliani? >> no, it's in that world. it's in that world. are you sure you're a real lawyer? >> jimmy: those are the best lawyers. >> i literally said, just write up a page that says, "it's okay to make fun of stuff." first amendment. parody. rights of -- you know, throw a lot of that stuff in there. [ laughter ] then when netflix -- i assume you've got the wror brights and clearances? "oh, absolutely." they never checked. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: jerry seinfeld is here. "unfrosted" is the movie. it premieres friday on netflix. we'll be right back.

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>> proceed with caution! fruit filling may be hot! >> well, pop a wheelie, we've got a treat! [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: that was jerry seinfeld, jack mac greater, melissa mccarthy, so many stars in "unfrosted" which premieres friday on netflix. it's like watching the movie, every two minutes you see another great comedian, it's fun seeing them all come in. >> george wallace, cedric the entertainer, peter dinklage, yeah. 15 different stand-up comics. >> jimmy: hugh grant, not a stand-up comic, not a comic, not even necessarily known -- well, i guess he's -- >> british comedy. >> jimmy: great and really funny. >> really funny. >> jimmy: a really funny role

that he plays. >> yes, he plays a failed shakespearean actor who was forced to play tony the tiger to make his car payments. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: is there any truth to that? >> well, the name is real. thorough ravenscroft is the real guy who did the voice of tony the tiger. he had a pencil moustache, a nice little thing. this guy looks like he'd want to be a real actor. he doesn't want to be tony the tiger. [ laughter ] that's where we got the idea. >> jimmy: he doesn't want to be tony the tiger. i was reading -- you were talking about hugh grant in "the new yorker." you said he was -- i think you said in an affectionate way that he's a [ bleep ]. [ laughter ] >> no, i would never use that word. >> jimmy: no? what was the word? >> he's one of those guys who wants to find the moment. "let me find the moment." i'm like, "hugh, i already found the moment." [ laughter ] "just say it like this." you know? but he's my favorite human being that i've ever met.

>> jimmy: is that true? >> i love those kind of guys. i grew up -- when i was a kid, i wanted to be a guy like that. you know? handsome, with the shoulders, and drinking, and funny, you know those kind of guys? in the '60s there were a lot of those guys. >> jimmy: yeah, but they're mostly british, right? >> they're british yeah. >> jimmy: all british. >> i got to be with him, and we had dinner all the time, and we would get drunk. it was fantastic. >> jimmy: you also asked daniel -- did you ask daniel day louis? >> i was going to ask daniel day louis. i wanted him to play -- we have a sugar drug lord -- [ laughter ] who controls all of the world's sugars, name is el sucre. [ laughter and applause ] i wanted daniel day louis to play it like the character from "there will be blood." i wanted him to do that. i never called him. i should have called him. >> jimmy: you never called? he's retired. >> i was going to bring him out. if there's anything to come out of retirement for, it's a pop tart movie. [ laughter ]

>> jimmy: it would have been great. >> yeah. >> jimmy: i wonder if he's disappointed. >> i hope so. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i saw you in steve martin's documentary. >> uh-huh. >> that was fun to see you guys together. >> yeah, yeah. i've known steve a little bit. we live on the same street in new york. >> jimmy: steve is the guy you idolized? >> of course, everyone did. >> jimmy: to be asked to be -- for him to ask you to be in his documentary i thought was kind of a -- i don't know, seemed like a big deal, an honor? >> oh, yeah, yeah. he came to see a show of mine, which i was doing a benefit, and he came. benefit ended, he went home. then he called me and he said, "could you come back out? i got to talk to you about some of that material." he was so -- you know, he's such a -- he's a scientist of material like i am. >> jimmy: yeah. >> we just love to talk about how certain jokes work what makes them work. that was one of the biggest compliments manufacture life that he said, "could you come back out onto the street, could we talk about some of those

jokes?" >> jimmy: i can definitely see the similarities in the way you and steve approach comedy. >> uh-huh. >> then it makes it even more interesting to me that jerry louis is one of your idols. >> absolutely, yes. >> jimmy: so you're -- is he your favorite? >> no. >> jimmy: he's not your favorite, okay. [ laughter ] >> i mean, i -- i don't -- i mean, my favorite from the early days was, you know, robert kline and george carlin and cosby. those were the guys in the '60s. but those were the stand-ups. you know. but for, you know, movies, it was jerry louis, peter sellers. i have one line in this movie that i get to that's a little bit like peter sellers. i'm at a funeral and the widow says to me, "did you plan this?" and i go, "i don't know." [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that funeral scene is very, very funny. >> oh, thank you. >> jimmy: you were on the jerry louis telethon. >> i was, yeah. >> jimmy: nothing i love more than the swearry louis telethon. i grew up in las vegas. i went to see the jerry louis

telethon, but i was never on the jerry louis stella thon. >> i have to say, one of the greatest moments of my life. one time i did it like '92 or '93. my series was on. wasn't very popular. i went to do the telethon and he said, "why don't they introduce us --" ed mcmahon was the announcer. "ladies and gentlemen, here's jerry." you walk out from one side, i'll walk out from the other." and we do that. it's on youtube. >> jimmy: that's great. did you socialize with jerry at all? >> no, he did "comedians in cars." >> jimmy: right. >> that was his last interview. >> jimmy: oh, wow. >> he died a couple of months after we did that interview. >> jimmy: what kind of shame was he in? >> not good. >> jimmy: not good is it. was it hard -- no, listen -- >> he was great, i was being -- [ laughter ] in the episode, he orders bacon. he orders a pile of bacon. like a football of bacon.

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>> jimmy: music from rhiannon giddens is on the way. just a few years ago, our next guest could fly. now, she is forced to use public transportation. like the rest of us. watch new episodes of "the girls on the bus" thursdays on max. please welcome melissa benoist. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: how are you? >> i'm great. what a great crowd. >> jimmy: you know, the last

time you were here was -- i think you just had a baby, right? >> yeah, he was about a year old, just over a year oil. >> jimmy: just over a year old. how old is he now? >> 3 1/2 now. >> jimmy: oh, that's a fun -- that's a fun age, and also a crazy age. >> ed hardest age. >> jimmy: the hardest age so far is what it is. does he write down the things he says, the funny stuff? >> oh, yeah, he says weird things all the time. today he said, "jumping jehosephat." "heavens to betsy." >> jimmy: is he hanging around with joe biden? >> no, just my husband. >> jimmy: is your husband 85? >> at heart, at heart, yes. he also -- i was changing one day, and he saw my bra, and he called it -- "oh, those are mommy's booby-traps. ." [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's very clever. that should be a product. >> why didn't we call it that in the first place? >> jimmy: it's a very -- he

might be a genius, your son, actually. >> yeah, maybe i should have him tested. >> jimmy: you should definitely have a tested for sure. although if the test comes back "not a jean genius?" this show you're on. there's an interesting thing about it. it's based on nonfiction, a true story, but a fictional version of that story. >> entirely fictionalized version of real events in politics in recent history, yes. >> jimmy: the book is about a reporter -- a journalist who was on -- like on the campaign tour. >> yes, amy chosic. >> jimmy: with hillary clinton. >> she trailed obama with "the wall street journal" in 2008. she trailed hillary in 2016. the book is about her relationship with hillary. >> jimmy: i see. it's an interesting position to be in, because you're kind of like -- on one hand you're part of the team, you're with these people all the time going from town to town. but you're also not at all part of the team? >> no. >> jimmy: no?

>> no, not at all. that was something that i was struck by that i don't think -- naively i didn't realize how close in proximity journalists are to the candidates. you get chummy with them even though there's that layer you can't really break through. >> jimmy: yeah, and if you, do that's probably a failure on their part. >> yeah, yes. it takes a certain person to run for the president of the united states, and i think journalists are always very keenly aware of that. >> jimmy: you think that? because i feel like -- [ laughter ] sometimes we vary from that. >> yeah. >> jimmy: as far as the certain person type, yeah. >> that's true, yes. >> jimmy: would you rather be on the road with biden or trump? as a pretend journalist? [ laughter ] >> as a pretend journalist? >> jimmy: yeah, which is what you are, yeah. >> i do think that trump cracked the code. because he's giving them newsworthy stories every day. >> jimmy: he's definitely more interesting. >> yeah. >> jimmy: he's definitely not saying "jumping have a

hosephat." [ laughter ] >> although i do wish biden would say. >> jimmy: i'm sure he does, every time he steps on one of his grandchildren's legos. [ laughter ] he probably says that. then also, and this i'm guessing was not part of the book, the real story, that you talked to -- your character talks to the ghost of hunter s. thompson? >> i hope it wasn't part of the realt story. >> jimmy: if it was, yeah -- if it was, that is perhaps a psychological breakdown of some kind. >> uh-huh. >> jimmy: why is there a ghost in this? >> he sort of serves as the devil on her shoulder. sort of her inner voice, inner critic as a writer. because she, my character, kind of idolizes this bygone era of journalism, romanticizing -- yeah. >> jimmy: yeah. because it's -- i think it's one of those things that you go, you know, if i'm buying the show, "oh, it's great, it's

interesting." and like, "and there's a ghost." you're like, maybe there shouldn't an ghost. but the ghost is working for you? >> yeah. he works -- he works for her yeah. i mean, it's -- it's an interesting line that we toe. you know. i think there's a line in the show that says, "if hunter s. thompson would here today, he'd be an hr nightmare." >> jimmy: yeah, he'd shoot the hr person. [ laughter ] are you a ghost person? >> i love ghost stories. all i want in life is to see a ufo and have a ghost story. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i thought i saw a ufo once on vacation down near florida. it was just a test launch. >> jimmy: everybody sees ufos in florida. [ laughter ] >> it's true. >> jimmy: have you seen a ghost? >> you know what, i haven't. i don't have a juicy ghost story, but i did used to live in this building when i lived in brooklyn in the navy yard. it was an old chocolate factory back in the industrial

revolution. we used to hear footsteps in the hall. me and my roommate wa new we were the only ones there -- >> jimmy: fat ghosts walking around the chocolate factory? [ laughter ] did it smell like chocolate? >> no, it didn't. i mean, it was pretty modernized. they had done some renovations. >> jimmy: wow. you lived in an abandoned chocolate factory, that's pretty -- i mean, that's another show on its own. [ laughter ] it's very good to see you. >> yes. >> jimmy: the show is called "the girls on the bus." you can watch new episodes thursdays on max. melissa benoist, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] thank you, good to see you. we'll be back with rhiannon giddens. >> lou: the "jimmy kimmel live" concert series is presented by tequila don julio, an icon of modern mexico.

>> lou: the "jimmy kimmel live" concert series is presented by tequila don julio, an icon of modern mexico. >> jimmy: thanks to jerry seinfeld and melissa benoist. apologies to matt damon. we ran out of time for him. "nightline" is next, but first, her album is called "you're the one." here with the song "you louisiana man," rhiannon giddens! [ cheers and applause ]

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ you turned my head tripped up my mind you louisiana man ♪ ♪ you burned my bed lit up my sky you louisiana man ♪ ♪ i never knew that things were gonna get so far i never knew it ♪ ♪ i never knew that you were gonna break my heart you you louisiana man ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ you stole my breath you took my soul you louisiana man ♪ ♪ i'll catch my death you look so cold you louisiana man ♪ ♪ i never knew that things were gonna get so far ♪ ♪ i never knew it i never knew that you were gonna break my heart you ♪ ♪ you louisiana man ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh ♪

♪ ♪ oh oh oh oh oh da da da da da da ♪ ♪ oh oh oh oh oh whoa ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ you left me here and now you're gone you louisiana man ♪ ♪ i've wept my tears and i'll move on you louisiana man ♪ ♪ i never knew that things were gonna get so far ♪ ♪ i never knew it i never knew that you were gonna break ♪

♪ my heart you you louisiana man ♪ ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] this is "nightline." >> juju: tonight, breaking news. the crackdown on college protests at columbia university. the nypd forcibly removing and arresting dozens of pro-palestinian protesters who had barricaded themselves into a campus building. horrifying discovery. what we're learning about