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what can be done. not a lot of tourists are seeking that aloha spirit these days. why is hawaii tourism dipping this summer, and does that mean special deals? but first, the trump hush money trial is now in the hands of the jury. if found guilty, what would be the ex-president's punishment be? you're watching, getting answers. i'm kristen sze. thanks for joining us. here's the latest in the hush money trial of former president donald trump. jury deliberations is on pause after 4.5 hours today, after jurors sent notes to the judge asking to rehear the judge's instructions and key witness testimony. what does this mean and what will it mean for the presidential race and america? if this jury finds trump guilty of 34 felony counts, falsifying business records to cover up his affair with stormy daniels right before the 2016 election? joining us live now to answer our questions. professor of law of uc law, san francisco rory little, professor little, thanks for joining us.

>> very pleased to be here. thank you. >> so deliberations have stopped for the day. they'll resume tomorrow morning. but talk to us about this day one of the process to determine guilt, you know, what's happening at this process or in this stage? >> well, it was a long trial, right? we had a number of weeks of trial. these jurors have been sitting there taking notes, very attentive from what i have heard , and now they're deliberating. so it's not surprising that they didn't have a verdict right away. it's also not surprising that they asked for some testimony to be read back, or some instructions to be repeated after a long trial. that's pretty common. apparently there are two lawyers on the, you know, on the jury and the jury there. so, maybe those lawyers are taking some sort of role, but, you know, the four person is automatically the first juror that was chosen. so we don't know even who the four person is at this point. >> i see. oh, that's interesting. all right, so it's not like the other jurors chose that person. but let's talk about this. what they did today,

they worked for 4.5 hours and then wanted to rehear, as you said, some testimony. tsay whose testimony. and do we know which parts and what that might suggest? >> well, apparently they're still discussing which parts they want to hear. testimony some testimony from david pecker, who was the editor or the publisher of the national enquirer, who had a, you know, an arrangement directly with president trump at the time, or the candidate at the time, you know, to report any bad stories and to maybe help silence some of the bad stories. there was no doubt that this was a direct one on one. and pecker testified at trial for some time, and they wanted to hear some of his testimony back. they're still figuring out what parts, and then they're so asked for some portion of michael cohen's testimony. cohen, of course, is the guy who says he arranged the payment and he told trump, you know, i'm going to, get reimbursement from you. and so that's where the false document case rests with michael cohen, he was pretty savagely

cross-examined. and so, you know , the jury wants to hear testimony that he gave maybe compare it to pecker's testimony and see what they think. okay. >> so how does this work when jurors want to rehear testimony, is it read aloud to them? right. or they can't view written transcripts? i would think that it's very time consuming to read everything out loud again. >> yeah, there's at a certain point, i mean, different courts have different practices. a certain point a judge has to stop and say, look, your jurors, you heard this all once. i'm not going to read you the whole trial again, in new york, at least in this court, they have a practice of the court reporter sitting in the witness box and reading back the testimony of the witness as though they were the witness, sometimes the court reporters put a little inflection into how they do that, but i doubt that they're going to do that. in this case, it's just too serious, and hopefully the judge will say to the jury, you know, you all have to remember what you saw and heard and decide the case with your common sense and not just ask for the entire transcript of

the trial to be read back to you. >> right. so we don't exactly know how long that process will go tomorrow. so we'll see. by the way, how did they communicate the jurors, when they want to reach the outside world? the judge like who gets to do the communicating. >> well probably i think they've been instructed that they have to write questions down and then the notes are taken to the judge. you know, there's a marshal or a police officer or court officer who stands outside the jury room and you know, when they want to talk to somebody, they open the door. and, and they give that person whatever they want to give them. there shouldn't be any discussion at that point between that person. they're just a messenger, and then the jury, the judge can either respond by sending back a note, or the judge can bring them into the courtroom. i think today the judge reportedly brought them back into the courtroom, but i'm not sure there was any dialog. i think the judge just had them come in and sort of say, this is our

note or something like that, and we'll learn tomorrow exactly what they're going to do with that. i think the judge's, going to be talking with the lawyers tonight about, exactly what do you want to have read and how do you want to have that done? and, you know, are there other parts that we can cut out? and let's not do too much here and things like that? >> i just want to be clear when you say lawyers, you mean the prosecution and the defense, not the two lawyers who are seated on the jury? >> absolutely right. >> there will be no communication with the jury other than from the judge. >> yeah, and yeah, i mean, you know, each side in this case has, you know, half a dozen lawyers, so presumably there's just 1 or 2 who negotiating. and by the way, former president trump is sitting there as well, apparently today he came, you know, the jurors weren't in the courtroom. he came in, he wasn't wearing his tie. he was pretty casual, there were protesters outside. so it's, you know, it's a whole it's a whole circus out there. >> all right, so speaking of the

lawyers on the case, the prosecution and the defense, how do you think how well do you think each side went about their business in this case, whether it's proving it or defending it? what do you think were their strengths and weaknesses? >> well, let's let's really be clear about this. >> i wasn't there and none of us were there, so most of the commentary you hear is by people who weren't there. so we've all been reading reports or hearing little snippets from people who have been in the courtroom, the other thing is, you know, 2020 hindsight usually determines who did a great job, right? if one side wins, they did a great job. and if one side loses, though, they did a terrible job. i don't think anybody did any major missteps here. you didn't have any major problem, the judge ran a tight ship. he also did a very good job, i don't i think they each did the lawyers what they wanted to do. the prosecution certainly makes it clear that they think trump was directly involved in all of this, falsification claims and that he was doing it to influence the

election, and the defense has made it very clear that they think this is a sort of a bogus, story full of lies and a meaningless, trivial set of documents. and, you know, they've they've done their jobs, and who knows? we'll find out what the jury thinks. could be tomorrow. could be two weeks from now. we just don't know. >> you're not placing any bets, right? you've seen enough to know that you're not placing any bets. >> well, you know, the longer it goes, the normal thinking is. >> the longer it goes, the better it is for the defendant, a speedy verdict is usually one for the government, but because you need to be unanimous, right? yeah, they have to be. well the answer is they have to be unanimous. if they're going to convict. yeah, they they can say that they can't reach a verdict. i mean, there are hung juries. yep, the judge will give them instructions to please try to not be a hung jury, and of course, to acquit, if they were unanimous, that would all be, sort of a surprising victory for

former president trump. >> can i just ask you, this is very interesting. you brought up how trump was in the courtroom. i mean, he has been and he also comes out afterwards to sound off on social media or in front of the mic. and even today he called the trial ridiculous, unconstitutional, un-american. i find it interesting that if the jurors are not sequestered, right, and they get to go home, even during the deliberations process, i mean, couldn't they be exposed to that and be influenced? >> well, you know, they are told not to pay any attention. and we hope that they take their oath. they have to swear to that. we hope they take that seriously, most of these people were already, you know, we don't have people who came in with strong partizan views in one way or the other, because those people were all stricken for cause or by the lawyers, you know, it's not people know who trump is. i think, people are unconscious. but, you know, it's not going to be surprising if they hear trump

say, this is all rigged. he's been saying that since, you know, 20, 20. >> all right, look, if they find trump guilty ultimately, then what happens? and keep in mind it's of course five months till election day, right? >> yeah. well, i mean, if he is found guilty on some counts, maybe not all counts, the judge will, first hear post-trial motions to vacate that verdict. there's always a set of motions by the defense saying, you should you should dump that verdict that the jury just gave, they're not usually not granted, but he'll hear them, he'll set a date for sentencing. presumably there has to be a pre-sentence report. usually. even in a case like this, as to who the defendant is and what the facts are, and he'll get recommendations from both sides, you know, you could easily not have a sentencing happen before the election if there's a conviction. but i think this judge moves pretty quickly. so i would actually think if there were a conviction, say, in at

the end of may or the beginning of june, you would see a sentencing sometime in july or august, and who knows how that would be taken by the political process exactly these days? >> who knows? professor of law at uc law, san francisco rory little, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> are we experiencing a new generation of slackers? it seems more teens and young adults are not in school and are not in the job market. next, the president of children now explains the problem of disconnected youth when

terms of young people, young adults who are not in school and

not employed and not even looking for a job. they're called the disconnected youth. what's behind this trend? and what can be done to reverse it? to get some answers? joining us live now is ted lempert, former state assemblyman from san mateo county and now president of children now, a nonprofit group working to improve the health, education and well-being of california's kids. ted, thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. thanks, kristin. >> i haven't heard the term disconnected youth before, although i think i know what that means, explain to us who we're talking about and what we mean by that. >> yeah, well, it's scary when you hear what the term means. it means kids age 16 to 24 who aren't in school and aren't working. so when we talk about disconnected, it's they're what are they doing, they're not really, engaged in the society the way we would hope all our kids are so, so, you know, this whole report that came out, i think it's from the public policy institute of california.

>> i know that's not you guys, but i know you work with them closely, yeah. they dive into the numbers a little bit more, and it's clear that some people and some groups are more affected and more disconnected, if you will, than others in terms of young people who are disconnected. walk us through that. >> yeah. well, there's huge racial gaps when it comes to the outcomes for our kids. so, you know, this disconnectedness is especially prevalent among our black and brown kids. youth in foster care are also particularly impacted. so there's some real equity issues going on here. and it should be of great concern to everyone, we certainly need to make sure that all our kids are getting the support they need to have successful futures. we rely on that for our economy and society, and we're clearly leaving a lot of these kids behind. >> so if they're not in school and they're not working and they're not looking for work, what are they doing, do we have any idea? >> yeah. the study doesn't delve into that. and actually, there's there needs to be a future study

on on this. i think partly though, it is just sort of, you know, anecdotally here, kids just hanging around playing video games, not being real, productive. and that's, you know, as much on all of us, not making sure that we're providing the supports we don't have a lot of adults on our campuses in california, providing that support, youth homelessness is actually very high in this state, and so these are kids who, just for a whole lot of reasons, don't feel like they're really connected. part of society. and there's a lot of reasons for that, social media. >> let's dive into that. right. because i think you've got some numbers, or at least the, the study did, that shows pre-pandemic it wasn't quite as bad. so that seems to have had an impact. >> absolutely. i mean, the pandemic has had an impact on everyone, but disproportionately on kids and especially kids of color, low income kids. so it's worse, although that trend in california, where we haven't

been prioritizing our kids, goes back a number of years. and so you, you see these, stats on disconnected youth. you know, we also rank very poorly when it comes to adults on our campuses, ability to access mental health services. so these are all connected. and as we all know, the mental health crisis was exacerbated by the pandemic as well as what we termed chronic absence kids that are missing a significant number of school days. >> let's just continue to look at this. i find this fascinating and quite sad, really. if you look at the blue line, right, that is encompassing that entire age range, the broader range of 16 to 24, 11.5% are so-called disconnected and not in school, not working, not doing anything, and i wonder, you know, if you talk about the mental health aspect, can you go into like what are dis motivators that they've seen perhaps in the last few years? >> yeah, i think and you know,

the study delves into some of this, but i think we do know some of the solutions to this. and that is much better access to mental health services. this isn't just about mental health, but it is a key piece of it here. and we don't do a good enough job of making sure kids have access to mental health. that insurance is covering mental health claims, and then it also gets to just how we're providing support. you know, another stat is kids, don't feel connected in school when they're in middle school. and so if that's happening earlier, you can imagine why kids are essentially, quote, dropping out, dropping out of school, dropping out of jobs. so that's something we can work on. yeah. you probably be surprised to hear that california is about among the bottom couple of states, in terms of adults on campus, and so, you know, you need caring adults to be with kids to provide them support. and we're just not doing that. well. >> well, i mean, this lack of teachers or lack of counselors is all of the above.

>> we had the lowest ratios of teachers, counselors, nurses, vice principals that stuff makes a difference, right? you need adults and kids lives. and when you don't have that, your kids don't feel the support and become more disconnected. yeah. >> and i imagine this is tied to the state report. you know, that 1 in 4 students were chronically absent during the 20 2223 school year. i mean, 1 in 4. and if you're chronically absent and you're not in school learning those skills or graduating, then you're not, then going into the workforce or going to college or taking the next step. right? dad >> absolutely. and, you know, and we talked about that equity issues here. i mean, you know, some kids missed a lot of school during the pandemic with families that had the resources to provide extra support. basically keep them connected. but that's not true if you're living in a family that's struggling to make ends meet and facing other pressures. and that's what this report is highlighting where there's, you know, really some unjustified racial disparities here. >> okay. so then what advice would you in the 30s that we

have left give to one policymakers, two parents? >> sure. well policymakers were dealing with a state budget crunch the last place you cut is kids. and the proposed cuts to kids are not acceptable. and we need to really prioritize kids and to parents. we know how hard parents are working to support their kids, ask for help. it's hard for any parent to do this alone. and, you know, there are places to go and reach out for help. >> all right. ted lempert, who is president of children now, thank you so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> fewer people are picking hawaii as their getaway destination this year. the hawaii tourism authority joins us next to talk about the decline and how the aloha

figures. it shows the number of

overall visitors to the islands. in march was about 855,000. now that sounds like a lot, but it's actually down 5% compared to the year before, and visitors from the west coast dropped even more by more than 9. so what's going on? and what are hawaii officials doing to reverse the decline? joining us live now to talk about it, illahee public affairs officer for the hawaii tourism authority. thank you so very much for joining us. aloha. >> thanks for having me, kristen. aloha >> so tourism dropped from spring of last year to spring of this year. how much is that in lost revenue and spending? >> yeah. you know, looking at the first quarter of 2024 compared to 2023 down not insignificantly uh- 5.3 billion in visitor spending in the first quarter of 2023, compared to 5.2 billion in the first quarter of 2024, correspond lee fewer

visitors, right? 2.4 million visitor arrivals in the first quarter of 23, 2.3 in the first quarter of this year. >> and how does all this compare to pre-pandemic years, like 2019? >> yeah, when we look at the first quarter of 2019, you know, 2.5 million visitors slightly higher, $4.5 billion in spending much lower, some of that attributable to inflation, some of it attributable to a different mix of visitors that we're seeing, but what's important to note is that we still aren't fully stabilized since the pandemic globally, when we look at travel globally, it's still, an unstable market. things are shifting behaviors are shifting. a lot of the fantastic performance that we saw in 2022 was a lot of pent up demand for travel that perhaps now has, been released and yeah,

so we're starting to see what could be the new normal, starting to see some of that. >> okay. i mean, i think you probably don't love the new normal, right? in the sense that hawaii's economy is very, very dependent on tourism, perhaps more so than, you know, other states and i'm even talking about california, which gets a lot of tourists. but we're struggling right now as well. but i want to also ask you about this right. some people have cited prices have gotten higher, whether it's the airlines, airfares or hotels, and then also there are some who feel unwelcome, like if you look at social media and look at what people are saying, some feel like since covid, right? first it was like a don't come, we don't have the hospital capacity, don't give us covid. and then, you know, after the maui fire, it became don't come. we're trying to rebuild, recover. you'll get in the way, can you address those concerns? >> absolutely. you know, with any kind of disaster, any kind of, you know, really impactful event on a community, there's a lot of uncertainty in the

immediate time following, in the case of maui and the wildfires, you know, there was a move in the initial 24, 48, 72 hours to ensure that visitors got to somewhere safe where they could be cared for. so that attention and resources could be focused on those people who needed it the most. the displaced residents of lahaina, of, upcountry on maui, as the situation stabilized, as we were able to welcome folks back to the rest of the island of maui, we did that. as the resorts were able to reopen, we did that. and so today we see a maui that, does have the capacity and does have the desire to welcome visitors back. certainly there are going to be some small fire affected areas that will be off limits, but we're seeing signs of life even in lahaina town, things like the old lahaina luau have reopened. we see restaurants and shops starting

to reopen, and so our message to folks who are considering a trip to the island of maui is that the best way to support the recovery is to come. when we think about the volume of jobs that are dependent on that visitor spending, you know, folks want to go back to work. folks want to reopen in, you know, there sometimes generational family businesses, they want to have the opportunity to do that. even understanding that some people may not be ready to welcome folks back, those who are ready deserve the opportunity to do so. >> oh, that's a very good way to look at it. so are you guys doing anything special promotions, special campaigns to bring people back. and, you know, are there places that you tell people to go visit website wise to get more information? we have about 30s? >> absolutely. you know, the best place to get the latest information is always the official travel site of the hawaii hawaiian islands. go hawaii.com. we recently launched a new campaign, the people the place the hawaiian islands to

put our residents up front in that invitation. >> we'll have to leave it there. elijah johnson i'm sorry for neglecting your last name the first time. thank you so very much. i

it's from around the bay area. i'll s tonight, breaking news involving donald trump. the jury now deliberating his fate and the two key questions late today from that jury. also breaking, we have learn of a very close call between an american airlines passenger jet and another plane. first, tonight, the case