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famous for winning a record settlement in the erin brockovich case, convicted of embezzling millions from his clients who were victimized by big corporations. this while he and his wife, real housewives star erika jayne, enjoyed a lavish lifestyle with private jets, country clubs and a yacht named the illegal. here's nightline co-anchor juju chang. >> mr. girardi, what is your reaction to the verdict after years of waiting, the verdict is finally here. >> in the saga of tom girardi, the estranged husband of real housewives star erika jayne. >> i cried when i heard the verdict. it was a guilty verdict on all four counts. i'm elated. >> i'm joyful for that. >> i expected no other verdict, but i still got chills when it happened. >> this case is really the most staggering legal scandal i think we've ever seen. and we're not done. >> the one time legal titan now convicted felon not saying much as he left the courtroom. >> do you have any comment on the verdict, sir? any comments

at all? >> he was a perpetrator of injustice, victimizing his own clients when they were most vulnerable and most in need. >> the jury convicted girardi on all four counts of wire fraud, agreeing that he stole millions of dollars from his own clients. now facing decades behind bars. shame on you. there's a special place in hell for tom girardi. >> i kept my eyes on tom the whole time just to see how he would react. he looked at the judge. he looked down. he kind of slumped back into his chair as she was reading the guilty verdicts with four counts of federal wire fraud, because they are all separate victims, they can be stacked together. >> so 20 years for each count is over 80 years in fraud cases, people go to prison. sam bankman-fried went to prison. jen shah went to prison, elizabeth holmes and many others. the feds aren't going to shy away from sending him to prison because he's old.

>> girardi's fall from grace captured the attention of the country, in part thanks to his wife. jayne is a longtime star of the bravo franchise real housewives of beverly hills. girardi himself often appearing alongside her i love you. >> thank you for meeting me instead of having lunch with a bunch of gnarly insurance people, i got you. >> the reality tv star has not been charged with a crime related to her husband's scheme, and she is not a part of the federal case at trial. but she is facing a number of civil cases. she has denied all wrongdoing, something she addressed in a sit down with girardi's victims in the hulu documentary the housewife and the hustler two the reckoning. >> thanks for coming. >> did you ever hear about him taking money or anything before this whole thing blew up? no. like the lawsuits that were against him, i found out when i was sued in arizona from a lending company when i was named.

>> and that was the first time. and i said, why am i in this lawsuit? and the three answers i kept getting were it's don't worry about it. i've got it handled. but why is my name in here? like, i'm not part of the business. so that's when i started noticing something's wrong. >> erika did not make an appearance for girardi's trial. while tom was in court. she was filming for the upcoming season of her reality show. at the time the trial started, she was in saint lucia with her castmates. however, her name was mentioned by prosecutors, the government laying out how girardi used $20 million to help fund her career, including elaborate music video. >> it's expensive to be me looking this good don't come for free. >> we heard prosecutors talk about the money that tom girardi was spending to support her

career through her company, ej global. so though she wasn't a witness, and though she is not charged, she was still very much mentioned in this case because the spouse is one of the people benefiting from all of this theft, and jurors want to know where the money went. and a lot of it went to erika. >> look, i think a lot of people want to know what's going to happen to erika. she still is facing civil lawsuits, so she still has a lot of like, mud she has to trudge through. so she's not totally in the clear. >> girardi had pleaded not guilty, but the u.s. attorney successfully argued to a jury of seven men and five women that girardi deliberately stole client money and lied to cover it up. >> i feel sorry for the victims. the victims were in pain. he was taking advantage of that. >> the defense maintained girardi depended on the wrong people and blamed his chief financial officer, who they say stole all the money. the cfo has pleaded not guilty. girardi's attorneys say the 85 year old was in mental decline and had no

idea what was going on at the firm, something they tried to demonstrate when girardi testified in his own defense. >> you know, i think that most people would say it's never a good idea for a defendant to get on the stand. i will say it i fe empathy towards him. listening to him, it didn't change my mind about how i felt about the evidence, and i figured the jury would feel the same way. >> when i heard tom girardi was taking the stand, i was absolutely stunned. this is always a terrible idea, especially for someone who thinks they are going to outsmart the attorneys and sweet talk. the jury. that's not someone who's missing a step. that's somebody who's trying to pull one over on the jury. and i'm glad he wasn't able to. the current charges against girardi came from four specific former clients, including kathy and joe gomez. >> he is not going to do this to anybody else, and he should have never done it to me. i shouldn't have underestimated me. >> their story was shown in the

hulu documentaries the housewife and the hustler and its sequel, the reckoning. >> i'm fighting for money that i'm owed. i'm fighting for money that's going to take care of me with all the surgeries i have to do. >> joe was burned over 90% of his body and won a settlement worth tens of millions of dollars. the prosecutors say girardi leveraged his fame as the lawyer who won the erin brockovich case to assure clients like gomez that he was on their side. >> at the end of the day, all of these clients had never been through anything like this. they're trusting the guy. the erin brockovich lawyer, to help them, and he didn't. >> it's been a solid five years, 24 over seven, thinking about how to get to this day and not knowing if it would ever happen until the moment i heard the verdict. >> kimberly archie is a close family friend of the rue gomez's. she also worked with girardi over the years as an expert in sports injuries. >> it's not really a happy moment. how could it be happy to

know that for 40 years this man walked on people in their worst day and their worst moment when their children died, when their parents died, when they were dying with cancer, when they were losing their homes and they're homeless and he's flying on a jet and going from country club to country club with people's money. it's not a happy day, but it's the first step in making it right. >> many of girardi's former clients and people who feel wronged by the attorney were there for the verdict, even though their allegations weren't directly on trial for them, this feels like the only opportunity to hold girardi accountable. >> he was still in all the way back from the 90s, but we're here today, and i thank god that the jury got it right. >> danny barnes says he filed complaints against girardi with the california state bar association back in the 90s. he detailed his story in the housewife and the hustler two. >> i know i've been cheated out

of my money from these attorneys. tom girardi i would not be here in this neighborhood and in this area. >> danny believes the disgraced attorney still owes him millions of dollars. >> the door is possibly open for us to try and recoup some of the monies that he's stolen. many people were pushed into poverty as a result of this scam that tom girardi was running. i hope that he goes to prison for the full extent of the law. >> the ripple effect of tom girardi's fall from grace is going to be much broader than just this federal trial, and just these convictions. we learned that other lawyers in the firm are targets of investigation. his cfo is going to be prosecuted. there have been massive looks into the california state bar and how this was allowed to happen.

we're just relieved for it to finally happen and to be behind us so that we can focus not on erika, not on the celebrity status of tom and erika, but on the system that allowed him to do this. >> he didn't do this alone, and this is not really justice. it's the first step. >> anything to say, sir? >> now everyone will have to wait a bit longer to find out girardi's punishment. sentencing is set for december. >> our thanks to juju. when we come back, we're with emmy winning actress kerry washington. why? she says some of her most meaningful work is of her most meaningful work is done off camera that's why he switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: marnina learned that most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2.

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>> and welcome back. you know her from roles like the fierce olivia pope on scandal. it's handled and mia warren in little fires everywhere. >> nadine. >> and now she's starring in the new season of imprisoned actress, director, producer, activist kerry washington joins us now. >> hi. >> welcome back to nightline. >> thank you for having me. it's so good to be here. well we last spoke when you were wrapping up scandal. >> yeah. and you were playing this very strong, iconic female role who maybe became president. now in real life, we have the first black south asian woman as the nominee. and you're just back from the dnc. >> yes, i know that. there are folks on social media already saying, go back to your tv show, shut up and act. >> but i am not here tonight as an actor. >> do you ever worry about alienating fans? >> you know, i don't speak out

as an actor. i speak out as an american. democracy really works because we all have a voice and we all participate and we all contribute, and nobody should be robbed of that experience because of what they do for a living. so i speak out because i'm a mom and a wife and a daughter, and i care about our community and our world. >> so let's talk about one of your many projects. it's called un prison. yes. second season on hulu. you play paige alexander, right? a therapist and a mom whose dad comes home after years of incarceration. we have a clip of you embarking on family therapy. let's take a look. >> okay. >> i choose to heal people. >> do you think you can heal us? >> if that's what you want? is that what you want? yes, it is, because you have to really want it. a lot of people can't. a lot of people don't dare. >> i read your book. you don't follow any of the rules of real therapy. >> what's real therapy? >> it's so funny that, you know, you're dealing with healing, generational trauma through comedy. >> yes. >> what's the concept there? >> we're just really kind of dealing with what it means to

love somebody who's been in and out of your life, how you try to heal generational trauma, how you try to be in truth with each other. and we've really committed to telling this story, this sometimes very hard story, with a lot of joy. >> this is the backdrop of formerly incarcerated people and all the things that they've faced. >> yeah, for me, one of the things that i've learned is that these systems, these so-called justice systems, they have ripple effects on families. they don't just impact the folks that are on the inside. it's also hard for all of the people who love them. and so that's what the show is about, is how you try to acclimate and get back to some sense of normal. when your life has been disrupted by these systems. >> but it also makes me think of your other project that people are raving about, which is called daughters. >> yes. >> and it's this idea of allowing children to visit their incarcerated parents. yeah. you're an ep on that project too. what draws you to that kind of issue? >> so when i did on prison, i really started to learn more and more about how the foster care

system and the criminal justice system impacts families. and so i heard about this documentary, which is really about a program that was started where fathers who are incarcerated go through these parenting classes. and at the end there's a father daughter dance. and i grew up in new york city. i went to spence. we had a father daughter dance at our school, and it was always such a special night for my dad and for me. so to see these men who get to take off their prison jumpsuits and put suits on. >> yeah. i'm nervous. i'm gonna let her get the table first, because i know she should have a lot to talk about. >> and these little girls dress up, and there's a dj and food and it's an extraordinary night where they are not prisoners. they get to show up and be dads. and the recidivism rate is extraordinary. a lot of these men don't go back into prison because they realize what they what their lives are about. they realize that they have a reason to stay out for the love of their family. and so these projects are really about helping us to understand that these are human beings, not anybody who should be put in a cage. >> so i also want to ask you about another cool project that

you have. it's the second season of reasonable doubt, also on hulu. >> okay, he's not a rapper or a spy. he's a lawyer and a good one. >> why is it so important to you to cast such strong, iconic black female roles? >> i love our show reasonable doubt is very different from prison. it's a drama high stakes, really spicy drama. it's written by my dear friend ramla muhammad, who was a writer on scandal and a writer on little fires. and now this is her show, and i think it's important for me to tell stories about black women who are three dimensional, our lead actress is extraordinary. she is balancing her career and her family and her kids. and i love that about the character, because with olivia pope, sometimes you were like, who are her friends on this show? you really see her full, rich personal life and her career. i'm really excited about it. >> that's fantastic. you have projects behind the scenes on camera. how do you decide where to invest your time? >> when you look at these three

shows, there's a real sense of justice, right? we're dealing with people who are navigating ideas of justice and belonging, of community. i think there's also some element of healing that we're really drawn to. we really are invested in kind of looking at people as human beings in all their complexity and figuring out how we heal and how we love and how we move forward. >> the last time we spoke, you talked about growing up in the bronx and how you sometimes felt like a fish out of water in manhattan. >> what would you say to that young girl now who was in the big city with big dreams? >> you know, i grew up in the bronx and i went to a very elite private high school. and sometimes there was this sense that you had to maybe not be all of who you are, like, figure out how to conform to somebody else's idea of who you should be. so i would say to that young girl like you, there is room for all of you. don't be afraid to be all of who you are. that one day, you know you'll realize that your complexity is your

gift. it's your humanity. >> what a wonderful message. the very three dimensional kerry washington. >> thanks for joining us. thank you. >> and you can stream season two of imprisoned and reasonable doubt, both out now on hulu when we return. >> uncork the champagne supernova. why the famously feuding band oasis is finally reuniting in the sky reuniting in the sky >> somebody will finally company . ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles.

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hurled insults and objects, bickered during interviews and caused the band they founded to grind to a halt. her soul slides away, but don't look back in anger. >> i heard you say. >> but the brothers gallagher, liam and noel aren't looking back in anger and say, quote, the great wait is over. their oasis live 25 tour features only dates in the uk and ireland. you're my wonderwall wonderwall band says they plan to go to other continents after that. and that's nightline for this evening. catch our full episodes on hulu. we'll see you right back here. same time tomorrow. thanks for the compan, america. good night. nightline. >> the stories that shape your world. that shape your life. dramatic. stunning empowering. jaw dropping