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tonight. shroom boom. the growing number of mothers microdosing on magic mushroom microdosing is mommy is present and aware and showing up maybe for the first time ever. now poised to become big business.
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>> what do you think this looks like in five years? >> i think it's a revolution. >> even celebs like actress kristen bell getting candid on jimmy kimmel about using them. i wanted to try mushrooms for my 40th birthday, but are they safe? >> we know very little about microdosing. you're kind of experimenting on yourself. plus, the tiktok debate, the app used by 170 million americans famous for its dance videos, is under fire from a bipartisan group of lawmakers. >> why they are sounding the alarm about potential manipulation by the chinese government. >> tiktok telling our youth what to think, what both sides of the debate are saying tonight, and why the u.s. open is fashion's newest runway. newest runway. >> nightline will be right back t is in the gutter. undo it with pepto fast melts. so you can keep on rolling. [bowling pins knocked down] when you overdo it, undo it with pepto bismol. (vo) for over 50 years
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>> good evening. thank you for joining us tonight. we revisit the use of psychedelic mushrooms. once seen as counterculture, a practice called microdosing is approaching the mainstream and gaining popularity among some suburban mothers. what does the science say? here's abc's eva pilgrim. good morning >> i think that i am on many levels, just like a normal mom. grocery shopping and cooking. dinner and lacrosse practice and ballet practice and doctor's appointments and all the things. >> for tracy t, motherhood comes
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first. but that doesn't mean it isn't without stress. >> and i think your body just goes into like survival mode or go mode and it caught up with me big time. >> in her 40s. tracy began a journey that led her to an unexpected place. what are these? >> these are dried magic mushrooms. >> up to four days a week, tracy ingests a microdose of mushrooms that have the psychedelic psilocybin in them, also known as magic mushrooms. she puts them in her morning cup of cacao. >> it's 100mg. and then i just open it up and put it in the mixture. i often describe microdosing as something that calms the frayed edges around us, and as mothers, we have very, very frayed edges. >> in colorado, where tracy lives, using psilocybin has been decriminalized, and in 2025, healing centers that can legally administer mushrooms are expected to open. the state,
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along with oregon, are the only two to legalize the use of the drug. multiple cities in other states have decriminalized it at the local level. >> that harvest right? there could be 12 people, so that could be a two week supply. >> tonight we go inside the shroom boom. psychedelics once condemned as part of the counterculture. >> this drug, which has such a potent effect upon man's mind, it's a very dangerous drug. >> turn on, tune in, drop out are popping up in suburbia from the growing numbers of moms taking small doses of magic mushrooms, this can refresh. >> it's like a reset to celebs like kristen bell getting candid on jimmy kimmel. >> i wanted to try mushrooms for my 40th birthday to the increasing study of them as potential treatments. >> we're not sure that they work yet, really, but studies are showing really promising effects. >> businesses are taking note too. >> i mean, they're calling this
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the shroom boom, right? >> but for all the attention on microdosing, the research is sparse. >> we know very little about microdosing. you should know that you're kind of experimenting on yourself. you know, there isn't a lot of high quality data about the safety and efficacy of that practice. >> doctor josh woolley of the university of california, san francisco, has been studying the impact of large macro doses of psilocybin. the fda granted the psychedelic psilocybin breakthrough therapy status in 2018 to be studied for its potential in helping treat depression. technically, it is still illegal in 48 states and at the federal level is a banned substance classified as a schedule one drug. what are you optimistic that psychedelic drugs can be useful in psychedelics? >> could be helpful. you know, people who are depressed or eating disorders, addictions. and we're just at the very beginning of trying to examine who and how these drugs might be
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helpful to people. >> for some, using psychedelics may trigger a severe psychiatric episode. they may also raise heart rate and blood pressure, and have not been studied in pregnant or breastfeeding women. experts say you should talk to your doctor before using them. for tracy, she says the effects of microdosing are subtle. is there a high that comes with microdosing? >> no, it is the idea that you take a small enough dose that, when taken consistently over time, brings on the same effects that one achieves when taking a large dose journey. but without the large dose journey. >> for generations, we've seen moms find ways to de-stress from valium being glorified in the rolling stones song mother's little helper. mother need something today to calm her down. >> and though she's not really ill, there's a little yellow pill to mommy. >> wind down time becoming part
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of pop culture. tracy believes microdosing is more than just mommy's little helper. >> that is not what microdosing is. microdosing is mommy is present and aware and showing up. maybe for the first time ever. >> how does one manage sort of their emotional state when they are under stress? is microdosing helpful there? it's unclear. >> doctor neil epperson studies women's mental health at the university of colorado. she says women are likely to experience depression and anxiety disorders more frequently than men, but cautions that the stress of parenthood isn't the same as clinical depression. >> stress is normal. it's when we beat ourselves up. we don't give ourselves grace, and we start to look at stress as being dangerous and bad and hurting us. >> epperson says moms who microdose are increasingly finding support in one another.
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>> it's kind of also inadvertently creating a village for a lot of women that are finding their group online and really benefiting from that sense of doing something together. >> everybody comes with a unique history and a unique personalit, and the mushrooms work differently with everybody. >> in medford, oregon, kate ingraham is becoming part of a community she never expected. >> so this is what my microdose looks like. >> kate is a grief counselor, author, and mother of two who turned to psilocybin out of curiosity and the potential it might have for her clients down the road. >> it feels like a really nice exhale, like, i think so many americans are looking for some sort of magic pill to make them feel better. >> do you think psilocybin is that magic pill? >> no. i don't think anything's
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a magic pill. i think it could be incredibly hel secure place. >> ten minutes down the road from kate, andreas and jennifer mette have opened a therapeutic. the first licensed psilocybin treatment center in southern oregon. >> take a look. >> the two are also licensed manufacturers of magic mushrooms, and this is our second harvest of this tote. last year, oregon became the first state in the u.s. to legalize the growth sale, and use of psilocybin in monitored settings. >> every product is tracked from theof client. see how it's spread open more and see how it's starting to bruise blue. >> that's the oxidation. >> that's the oxidation of the psilocybin. >> a single session at satya therapeutics costs about $1,000. not including travel expenses. >> 85% of the people we've seen have come from out of state. >> we have people that have depression, anxiety, some
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medicine resistant ptsd. >> what do you think this looks like in five years? >> i think it's a revolution and i see the future as what could be the benefits of the mushroom in helping what i see as a broken system. >> and i see this as hopeful >> back in colorado. >> so this is our chocolate machine. this is where all of the chocolate magic happens. >> business is booming for one company that is tapping into the newfound popularity of mushrooms. >> so this right here that we're mixing in is our proprietary blend. when people hear the word mushrooms, they tend to think that they're psychedelic. and that's not always the case. >> lindsay goodstein and charlotte cruz founded alice mushrooms, a brand combining so-called functional mushrooms with chocolate. >> they do not have the compound psilocybin that makes psychedelic mushrooms able to
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create a psychedelic experience. >> functional mushrooms do not have psychedelic properties, and health experts warn they are not a proven treatment for any illness or disease. people who microdose magic mushrooms sometimes take functional mushrooms in conjunction with them. charlotte and lindsay are hoping to one day expand into psychedelics as more people get really fascinated by mushrooms, it is going to drive more research around mushrooms, and that's going to drive more innovation in the space. >> new product development. so the shroom boom, it's very cultural right now, but its implications are going to be far reaching. >> for tracy. she started an online business. >> i would love to just drop in and see how everyone is feeling. >> aptly named moms on mushrooms, a digital platform aimed at connecting and advising microdosing moms. do you think you're a better mom on mushroom? >> i think i'm a more empathetic
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mom, and i actually started listening and looking at my kid from the heart. >> our thanks to eva. when we come back, the latest in the come back, the latest in the controversy ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer,
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are pointing to a report which raises questions about how the chinese government may be using tiktok to influence american thought. nearly 170 million americans are on tiktok and beyond the dance videos. it's a top source for news for gen z, with media outlets, politicians and pop stars all on the app. but now, bipartisan members of congress are speaking to abc news, citing a r government
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could be trying to influence young american minds through tiktok. >> this study reinforces everything that we've known and that we've seen the chinese government intentionally manipulating algorithms to do everything they can to make the government of china look better, and to minimize any negative against the chinese government. >> congressman josh gottheimer, an author of the tiktok bill, says new research supports his fears about the wildly popular app. >> tiktok is certainly a national security threat. we've seen evidence in a classified setting. you're seeing some of this evidence in a public setting. >> this new research from the network contagion research institute and rutgers university assessing that the chinese communist party is deploying algorithmic manipulation to impact users beliefs and behaviors on a massive scale. tiktok has pushed back hard on the study and allegations that it is a tool for chinese propaganda. but the ncri researchers say while the study may not be definitive proof,
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they've seen signs of it firsthand. tiktok telling our youth what to think it's subverting the autonomy of its users. >> we saw a mosaic of different efforts to pollute the information environment with pro-chinese propaganda, to try to better understand the experience of gen z. >> on tiktok, analysts created 24 avatar accounts representing fictional 16 year old boys and girls living in america. then they searched for topics sensitive to the chinese government on tiktok and separately on american platforms instagram and youtube. one of those topics, tiananmen, where hundreds of pro-democracy protesters were killed in a violent crackdown by the chinese government in 1989. >> when i go to youtube, we put in tiananmen and the first thing you have are mainstream news documentaries. >> but researchers say most of the content regarding tiananmen that showed up on tiktok was, in their judgment, not relevant or pro-china compared to what showed up on instagram and
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youtube. >> tourist videos singing about the greatness of the square itself. and then here is a known pro-chinese communist party influencer casting doubt on the narrative that this was something of a violent suppression. >> tiktok ceo ing similar allegations during a contentious appearance before congress last year. we do not promote or remove any content on behalf of the chinese government. >> what about the massacre in tiananmen square? yes, or no? >> that kind of content is available on our platform. you can go and search it. >> i will remind you that making false or misleading statements to congress is a federal crime. >> i understand again, you can go on our platform. you will find that content. >> when we looked at material that was sensitive to the chinese communist party, these materials were significantly, inexplicably underrepresented on the platform. >> according to researchers. enter certain searches and very quickly you see unrelated pro-china content on the for you or personal landing page. >> it takes us all of four minutes to turn that into a pro
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ccp propaganda page. >> tiktok did not respond to multiple earlier requests by abc news for comment. but in a response to bloomberg, a spokesperson dismissed the study as non peer reviewed and flawed and added creating fake accounts does not reflect real users experience. and in a statement to us late tonight, tiktok accused abc news of conspiring with a research firm, saying it's a clear violation of journalistic standards to lend credibility to a methodology clearly engineered to reach false, predetermined conclusions. a spokesperson for the chinese embassy telling abc news ncri study has no factual basis and is full of prejudice and malicious speculation against china. ncri's earlier work, cited in court documents last month by the department of justice warning that the tiktok algorithm could be used to promote disinformation or amplify preexisting social divisions. scott galloway, professor of marketing at nyu,
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agrees. based on his knowledge of the subject. what does china have to gain in sowing discord here in the u.s? via tiktok? >> a weakening us, making us dislike each other. >> this genius strategy of masking political content with a bias or sowing discord that's kind of wrapped in fun dance videos. >> gottheimer says, ultimately, that's one of the biggest dangers. china. leveraging contentious issues all to divide americans. >> they want to pit pit people against each other, and they want to undermine democracy. >> gottheimer and other lawmakers, we spoke with acknowledge the popularity of tiktok and say they don't want to strip americans of the ability to use it. they just want to ensure that it is not controlled by a foreign adversary. tiktok is fighting back against the legislation that gives its parent company, bytedance, an ultimatum. they are currently suing the u.s. government in federal court. byron >> thanks, arielle. when we return. fashion aces. the star return. fashion aces. the star studded u.s. open
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