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here." ♪♪ good morning, everyone. i'm scott mcgrew. if you google best noise-canceling headphones for long flights you will get a long list of websites with that information. now some are ads, but others are links to dependable websites like wire cutter or cnet or travel & leisure. if you ask the same question of chatgpt it just gives you the answer. it says the model by sony is best followed by bose quiet comfort so ai got that answer probably from the same websites, wire cutter, cnet and travel & leisure, but those websites get none of the credit and none of the eyes on their ads and no link affiliate, money or anything else. robert weissman is the president of public service and while he doesn't stay up at night thinking about wire cutters,

private citizen sent this letter to the federal trade commission and the doj and chairs of the house and antitrust committees warning llm search can sabotage the open internet. robert, good morning. the way i understand the websites will be hurt on this because people will click those links and the search engines had everything to gain and google can just answer the question, but those websites have everything to lose. >> that's exactly right. as google brings artificial intelligence into searches so you get an answer, a full, rich, narrative answer in the search response there's no reason at all to click on the links and go to the actual sources. and what you see is a worry sucking the internet into itself and destroying potentially what exists now as the open internet. you leverage this kind of technology from google and also from bring and microsoft as they integrate it into their whole

365 platform. we are really facing a major threat for the internet as we know it. >> and the irony as a consumer and i was on the floor the other day behind a stereo and asked siri about which jack does what and of course, she just gives me website and i just wanted to yell it out. the consumer would say that's great and i don't have to click around, et cetera, but it leaves content providers with no reason to write the content in the first place. >> that's right. there's a convenience to it. no doubt. anyone who plays with open ai or chatgpt, they're fun and it gives information. there's another problem as a consumer and now you're depending on artificial intelligence to tell you the information and we know the artificial intelligence large language models are built into how they work and you will not go out to the original source and make a determination for

yourself in the course of accepting convenience you may be losing accuracy or reality. there's a well-known case in tech about this and that's celebrity net worth where you can search for names and google started posting the information from celebrity net worth on goog will's search based. so this isn't even ai and it's scraping it seems to me. the ceo of celebrity net worth who employs, like, 12 people making the site told congress, quote, february 12, 2016 was the worst day of my life because that's when google started listing results for every single celebrity. i want you to listen to what he had to say. >> at that time at one point before this major change occurred you could google something and maybe there would be the answer in one of a hundred different celebrities on our site where google would be displaying a number from our

site on the page directly. there was this very specific date where all of a sudden every time you get a search for a celebrity's net worth instead of ten links to websites on the search result page there was just a giant box that took up on mobile -- the entire mobile screen with our number that was applicable and it didn't have a link that you could click through to the website and even visible on the page. so when that happened, it was a wall that made it essentially impossible for a user to click through to our website even if they really wanted to. they just had no idea it was from a website and overnight our traffic dropped 60%. it was over several days and eventually it became an 80% drop. >> the ceo of google was directly asked about this in congressional testimony. he denied it, but he didn't really address the question properly. this isn't fair, robert, right?

if ai or just scraping is pulling information off the internet they did all the work and they're getting them as a reward. >> that's exactly right. when you combine the power of these new ai tools with a dominant search platform you will have unfair advantage for google and microsoft. they're basically taking the work of millions and millions of people and billions and billions of hours of labor, generating all of this content and non-profit is reliant on people coming to their site and learning about the organization and they're taking all of that and they're consuming it into the google response and into the information with microsoft 365 co-pilot will give you and that is fundamentally unfair. it's not just unfair. it's anticompetitive and it will threaten the existence of the internet because new content providers can't bring people to

their site because everything just stops at google and stops at microsoft and there's no reason to develop the information in the first place. >> so now that's the problem. what do we do about? you mentioned antitrust. is this a washington issue? >> the problem may number silicon valley, but washington has the cure by saying, hey, if you're already a dominant player as google is in search or microsoft is in office technology you can't do this. you just can't do it. it's important that they establish those rules now before we see the harms they play. it's way harder to undo something that transforms the way the internet works than to stop it from everything in the first place, so we've asked the regulatory agencies to act now and issue guidance and clarity for google and microsoft and these are the rules of the game and we can see how this will

play out and don't go there because it's not fair and we're not going to permit it, and if you do, we'll come after you right away. >> do you think you'll be successful? >> i think for the first time in a couple of generations we have strong antitrust enforcement in the federal government and i think they'll look hard at this problem and i'm hopeful they'll take proactive measures. >> robert weissman, i appreciate your time. it is, indeed, a serious problem that people haven't begun to grasp. robert weissman is the president of the public citizen. thank you for being with us and "press: here" will be back in just a minute.

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welcome back to "press: here," a small biotech company got fda clearance for a new way of examining biopsies, the tissues doctors may remove from your body looking for cancer. the traditional ways to examine the tissue by microscope, but digital imagery is the logical upgrade. not only can an image sensor detect a cancer cell, it can recognize that it is cancer. david west is the ceo of proscia and joins us from philadelphia. this is software on your end, right? there is an image sensor, but it's the software that's really doing the hard work and doing this detection. >> that's right. we take images that are generated by scanners and bring those images into our platform and that's where all the magic

happens. >> and this, with a pathologist, this makes their job that much easier, i'm guessing. >> yeah. that's right. pathologists for the past 150 years have been using microscopes, victorian-era technology like the 1937 olympics behind me to look at these little glass slides to things like tissue the same thing you would see in an eighth grade biology classroom and that's what they would use to diagnose cancer, but just like much of our lives have moved into a digital discipline, pathology is moving to an image-based discipline for many years. it's been this little corner of medicine that's going digital right now and we make it very easy for the pathologists to cover their work flows and to collaborate with each other and to use the benefits of ai in their work flows.

>> well, and the advantage that we've seen for quite some time now that as medicine gets digitize side the pathologists don't need to be in the same hospital as the patient. >> yeah. pathologists are sort of the overlooked discipline of medicine, but they're at the center of everything that we do. they are both literally and metaphorically in the basement, but once you work in a digitized world, pathologists can be anywhere. they could be on a beach in hawaii while reading some patients' cancer and that's great for pathologists and great for patients and it means the right pathology is just reading the case and rather that they happen to be in the hospital or laboratory that's geographically closest to you. let's say you have a melanoma or some rare cancer, you are a sub specialist in that case and maybe even one who special specialized in melanoma reading your case.

>> it makes sense. at some point every conversation the concept of ai comes in. are youio using ai at all or is this the one time when someone will say we don't touch it? >> we are in the very early days of adoption of ai in pathology. already behind the scenes it has transformed the research side of pathology in helping pharmaceutical companies understand disease on a deeper level, maybe predicting whether a patient is going to respond to a precision medicine drug based on what is happening in the tissue. we are now starting to see that trickle into real world diagnostic settings and it's in the early days and pathology has to go digital first before it goes into ai. you can't use ai if you're using a physical microscope, but that's the cool thing is these two things are coming into

pathology atity same time. the imaging pathology as well as ai. >> now, there is talk and for some reason it's often radiologists that are brought on. >> yeah. >> that machines will eventually replace doctors or doctors, we won't need as many of them, pathologists and radiologists because they can supervise the machines. is that a realistic fear? >> we have a huge shortage of pathologists, and it's getting worse in the u.s. and we've seen this in other geographies like in the uk where nhs, hospitals and only 3% of them have enough pathologists to meet demand and in the past five years, the turnaround times from patients have gone from a few days to four, six s eight weeks. >> that trend is now coming to the u.s. because the workforce of pathologists have declined while cancer rates have increased and volumes have

increased and case we need ai to keep up. we need ai to keep up with all of the new therapies with the declining workforce of pathologists. >> and individualized medicine which is just such an exciting and it used to be that if you had something wrong and you had a disease this is the pill we'd give you and we'd cut it in half because you're not as big as the other person and that was the individualized medicine. we'll get to the point where every person with a condition of some sort is getting treatment on a cellular level for them. >> that's 100% right and pathology has a huge role to play in that. in just the past few years we've gone from treatments that are sledge hammers like chemotherapy

to treatments that are scalpels and the good news is we're developing what are essentially cures, and that's amazing. the challenge is those are only cures to a small subset of patients who qualify for those treatments whether that's the right genetic mutation or whatever other criteria would qualify that patient for that treatment. pathologists are the ones who determine that. pathologists figure out what patient should get on what drug ask that's where we really need this technology to keep up with this flourishing ecosystem of new therapies. >> so i want to point out, you are not a doctor though you did study medical technology in school. you are an entrepreneur first and you were an entrepreneur for a long time. is this disk.net.

>> my first was disk to tape.net and i was very young and i was probably in seventh grade. i started taking vhs tapes and converting them to dvds. i -- i learned the value of -- the values of entrepreneurship and also the value of moving from old analog mediums to new digital mediums. i also learned that you don't want to mess up really important information like someone's wedding video and health care data is not like a wedding video, but it comes with value in a different way and its own importance. so that's not how i necessarily got into the space, but my earlier entrepreneurial journeys inspire much of what i've done in medicine. >> that's fantastic. david west, thank you for being with us this morning. david west is the ceo of proscia

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welcome back to yoet press: here," hackers have fancy names and interfere with u.s. elections and anonymous had us all on edge for a while. my next guest is a cybersecurity expert who is worried about volt typhoon. that's a good name. volt typhoon.

alexander sikorsky, ceo of security scoreward. it is. >> linked to china due to a joint advisory issued by nsa and fbi and the advisory noted that volt typhoon lurks inside the u.s. critical infrastructure for at least five years. it's been pouring into the aviation, rail mass transit, highway, maritime to pre-position themselves for potentially dangerous cyber attacks. >> this is not the first time even just this week we heard about china and all the threats. i read and reported on there was worry by the biden administration that the cranes at the oakland port could be taken over by the chinese itself. all of our infrastructure and technology is open to this sort of stuff. >> america's ports are the main

port of entry for freight. they employ 21 million people and in january it was trillions for the u.s. economy and massive amounts of money and many those modern cranes in the ports are manufactured in china and this is very sophisticated technology. they run software also built in china and should they be compromised they could be used to surveil u.s. ports. it could offer an ability for an adversary to have targets and it could shut down the entire infrastructure and all of a sudden, if the cranes can move, the cranes can't continue and it's a big risk to have 80% of actual hardware and software manufacturers in a foreign country. >> this is going to be a tough question for you, but how do we simultaneously trade with a country that we know is also spying on us?

how do we buy things from china if we're also thinking oh, no, the cranes might be spying on us? >> it's a great question and a complicated question because we all became interconnected to each other. not only did we become interconnected to each other, the information has been digitized. you have a proliferation of o.t. and iot devices and now you can have cranes spying on you and your refrigerator could be connected to the internet. so you put a box of milk into the refrigerator and it could speak to your wife in the kitchen. how do we solve it? we cannot ignore the fact that the world became more complex and what we need to start doing is we need to start building systems that are secure by design which is what u.s. cybersecurity agency advocate. a lot of the times you plug in a baby camera or a router in your home it comes insecure, out of the box. so we need to tart start with

these devices considered to be secure by people and we have a minh much standard of cybersecurity which has never been dfr, in cybersecurity no quantify by security and have minimum standard of care and that is what is going to accelerate the digital trade and allow us to start trusting each other again. >> switching to russia for just a second, was there a big announcement about lock bit and the countries working together to take over a hacking group's system. in fact, they plastered their own flags on the hacker's system which was a really nice touch. this is cooperation that is going to be necessary moving forward. these are all generally nato allies, but these are countries working together to shut this down. >> yeah. so an international law

enforcement operation led by britain's national crime agency and fbi arrested and indicted members of the ransomware gang and it's an unprecedented operation that struck one of the most notorious cyber crime gangs and that was one of the main perpetrators of ransom attacks all over the world and they would use it and put social pressure on you to pay and they would have a $10 million challenge in terms of a reward and i thought it was great work by fbi and digital crime agency because when we come together, we're stronger. adversaries attack companies individually and they go after this company and then they apply the same techniques to more companies, but what if the world came together and we started sharing information and when the private and the public sector because the hackers don't

respect the concept of borders. they're just doing it for profit. >> speaking of country, you published a cyber resilience scorecard by vulnerability and one of the key insights, there's a correlation between vulnerability and gdp. explain that to me. >> 100%. when i had the world economic forum in davos earlier this year there was a lot of conversation about global cyber inequity. if you are a big bank and you have plenty of capital or if you're a prosperous country, for example, western europe or the united states or canada, you have a lot of money and you have a lot of resources to invest into cybersecurity. you can have tools and fight a threat. we saw 80% correlation that was very tight coupling with how prosperous the country is and how well protected they are and

we discovered as we did this research is that actually the same top ten are behind 44%, and the same threat and usually when they put their operational infrastructure to break into companies and countries, a lot of it is in china and russia and 24% is originated in china? and 15% in russia. they're having the same experiences we are, picking on the little guys. >> dr. alexander yampolskiy, thank you. "press: here" will be back.

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to bring homebuilding costs down." and the chronicle praises "her ideas to end soft corruption in politics." let's shake up the senate. with democrat katie porter. i'm katie porter and i approve this message. damian trujillo: hello and welcome to "comunidad del valle." i am damian trujillo, and today we feed the soul on your "comunidad del valle." ♪♪♪ with democrat katie porter. ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ damian: we begin with the latest from