. i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation" -- the u.s. steps up pressure on israel to do more to protect civilians as the pause to release hostages ends and the israeli offensive resumes. the bombing in gaza is back as israel continues its efforts to destroy hamas. despite israeli leaders vowing to do all they can to keep civilians out of the crossfire

the biden administration says they need to do more. >> too many innocent palestinians have been killed, as israel defends itself, it matters how. >> the center of gravity is the civilian population. if you drive them into the arms of the enemy, you replace a technical victory with a strategical defeat. >> we'll have the latest on the conflict and the efforts to free the rest of the hostages and talk with house intelligence committee chairman mike turner about his concerns about our own ability to gather intelligence to prevent attacks here in the u.s. plus, six weeks out from the first votes in the 2024 presidential contest. are the other contenders giving trump a pass on his inflammatory attacks? >> biden and his radical left allies like to pose as defenders of democracy. joe biden is the destroyer of american democracy. >> we'll talk to gop candidate and former new jersey governor chris christie. he says he's trying to hold

trump accountable, but is anyone listening? former fda head dr. scott gottlieb is back to talk about the spike in respiratory illnesses among children. we say goodbye to three remarkable public servants. in washington breathes a sigh of relief at the departure of one who's was anything but distinguished. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we have a lot to get to today, but we begin with our chris lipsay reporting from jerusalem. >> reporter: with a cease-fire in shambles, israeli defense forces are once again pushing to annihilate hamas.

pushing south, warning residents to flee the city of khan yunis, a suspected hamas command center but also home. i will never see my friends again, she says. i can only play with sand instead of toys. it's hard for us to get food and water here and a lot of my friends are dead. at the hospital, women and children scrambling for treatment and shelter. israel has sworn to minimize the loss of civilian life, even to persist with negotiations, but under fire. we will continue the war until we achieve all its goals, vows prime minister netanyahu. that's impossible without the ground operation. a ground operation that gives israel leverage he insists to free the remaining 130 hostages including eight americans who remain in the clutches of hamas. now for the first time, many of

those freed described their torment in detail, desperate for food and air in hamas' tunnels. our girls have seen things that kids should not see. a hor film, recalls daniel aloni. we slept and cried. every day that passed was an eternity. a horror film that terrified their families at home as well, says haddas calderon. the first sentence they said to me when we met was, mommy you're alive. we didn't know you were alive. this weekend israeli intelligence sent a team to qatar to continue negotiations, but, margaret, the same team turned around just hours later, saying hamas wasn't living up to its end of the bargain, which included the release of all women and children. >> that's chris lipsay in jerusalem. and we're joined by the chair of the house intelligence committee congressman mike turner. good morning. >> good morning. >> our colleagues here at cbs

have heard from more israeli soldiers mainly female saying they reported up the chain of command warnings about a potential hamas attack. "the new york times," the "ft" have details, specific ones, going back a year. the white house says this wasn't shared with the u.s. intelligence. if this is america's closest middle east ally, should that concern us? >> i think what you saw was just a general dismissal by israel and the israeli intelligence community of the possibility of this level of a threat. which really goes to, you know, the complete breakdown that occurred here. it's been amazing to have our intelligence community now working closely with the israeli intelligence community and see the gaps they have. this could have been an institutional bias the result of them dismissing it. the other aspect that made this so dangerous, even when october 7th began to unfold, their forces didn't react. they didn't have the deployment ability to respond, not just the intelligence ability to prevent it.

>> which raises questions now about have those gaps been filled? how can you take israeli assurances that everything they're doing is precise and targeted and exact? does the united states know where anwar, the commander, the arc ticket of this is? israel says he's in south gaza. >> the united states is assisting in the location of hamas leadership as israel moves to eliminate the threat of hamas. i received a briefing from cia director burns on frye who came back from the middle east. he's been working diligently and doing a great job on negotiating for the release of hoimgs and also trying to make certain that our intelligence apparatus is working closely with israel to try to fill some of those gaps they have. >> you know, when it comes to what united states is doing, for our own standards, for our own government, we have to have a nearly certain standard when it comes to counterterrorism, lethal operations, positive i.d. of the target, no civilian

casualties. should we hold our allies who we provide with weapons and intelligence, to that exact same standard? >> i can tell you that we are being selective to the information that's being provided. it's one thing to be able to look to try to identify a specific individual and provide information as to their locationp and operations, and actually directing an operation. director burns has been, you know, very clear we are to the just providing direct access to our intelligence and that certainly gives us the ability to have caution. >> is israel, though, operating on that intelligence to the level, to the standard, that they should, that the united states holds itself to? we heard from the defense secretary and vice president that it certainly sounds that the u.s. assessment is they're not? >> with respect to use of u.s. intelligence, i can tell you that's how the united states is operating and holding them to that standard. broadly as you've reported, the united states is very concerned and to the extent that israel is not doing enough to protect civilians. certainly the issue goes even

broader to the issue of humanitarian aid being provided to the palestinians who are equally prisoners of hamas. >> can aid, which is being bundled in the senate with ukraine aid, to israel, and ukraine, get through the republican controlled house if the stipulation, as i understand it from the speaker of the house, is that it has to also include provisions regarding the u.s. border? >> sure. speaker johnson is doing great job, and he is, you know, directly negotiating both with the white house and with the senate on the aid package which would include aid to israel, aid to ukraine and southeast asia. more importantly in the negotiation process, it would include changes in our southern border policy which director wray has identified as a national security threat. those negotiations are ongoing and it's going to take the administration coming to the table and recognizing their policy needs to change. america overwhelmingly wants the southern border addressed, it represents a national security threat, its own security

advisors are telling him. we can't have millions continuing to cross our border and believe that we have, you know, a secure, you know, country with our national security. >> what's the specific on that? the white house is asking for like $14 billion. are you saying the money is not enough? you want an overhaul of the immigration policy that hasn't happened in decades and that to happen in the next three weeks. >> there have been things that have happened. if you look back at the trump administration where they had policies such as remain in mexico, there were policies that were working, that were keeping the southern border controlled, where the number of people -- >> that is a specific ask now. >> with the number of people crossing is diminished. the administration can make changes which other administrations have enforced ha changed the difference. it's the reversal of those policies that have caused biden's southern border policies to be a failure and millions to have entered our country. >> i want to ask you asking else that congress you think needs to get done in a very short period of time and that is reauthorizing section 702. we talked about it as directly related to america's own terror

threat and being able to have warrantless surveillance powers. your colleague in the senate says the main challenge to get this done your ohio republican colleague jim jordan he says wants to take the fbi out of the process. so can you get jordan and the freedom caucus of which your speaker is a member on board with this? >> well, i think so. 702 is one of our most important tools monitoring foreign videos outside the united states who pose a national security threat to our country. >> it's about to expire. >> it does not monitor the united states citizens. i think there are those who look at the behavior of the fbi and want to punish the fbi foolishly cutting off one of our most important tools targeting foreign individuals. it's one of our most important tools we're using to help israel in this conflict. >> how is that? >> it allows us to monitor through this program we monitor hamas, hezbollah, isis, some of our adversaries are monitored in this program and we shouldn't

punish the fbi for what they've done in other areas to hinder our ability to track terrorists and our adversaries. >> has speaker johnson committed to taking this version that intelligence chairs are proposing versus jim jordan's version that wants to take the fbi out? >> we have a bill, myself jim headlines, darren lahood, brian fit fitz pat trib have a bill that would address some of the past abuses of the fbi, prevent them in the future and also reauthorize 702, the speaker is supportive of that. we have to get it over the line. >> how? >> that's the problem -- >> who are you talking to -- >> we have substance on our side. this is the way to go. the individuals who want to, you know, hinder this process, really i think fully don't understand how the process works ad are really not understanding the value and the importance of this to our national security. >> but then what we do see is speaker johnson saying yesterday on fox he's going to hold a vote

on the impeachment inquiry into president biden. you're talking about something of immediate national security threat, immediacy and timing, needing to prioritize that, but we're going to have an impeachment inquiry vote instead? >> this is some of the legacy of the chaos that has happened in congress where those who want to shut down the government at the end of the summer are some of those that want to stop the reauthorization of 702. >> are you going to vote for the impeachment inquiry is next week. >> we have to see the evidence. >> is that the top priority? >> you can have more than one. protecting and enforcing our laws is a priority, but in this, 702 is critical and needs to be reformed and reauthorized and the speaker is committed to both those goals. >> all right. it's always good to have you here in person. >> thank you. >> mike turner. and coming up later on in this program. >> there's a healthy way to deal with conflicting opinions. >> actually it's okay to disagree. >> it's not just okay, it's crucial. >> did you just disagree with me about disagreeing?

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and we're back with a coordinator for strategic communications at the white house national security council, john kirby. always good to have you here. >> thank you, margaret. >> i want to ask you about this breakdown in the hostage negotiations. >> yeah. >> they pulled their negotiators out of doha saying there's no use in continuing to talk. is this insurmountable. thereare still americans being held. >> we don't believe it's insurmountable. even while the negotiations have stopped we haven't stopped. our efforts on the national security council all the way up to the president trying to work hour by hour to see if we can get this pause reinstated and get hostages out. i will say while the pause has been lifted and no hostage exchanges are going on, what is still going on, importantly, is humanitarian assistance getting in, including fuel, which is --

>> it has restarted. >> yeah. even when the pause ended, what didn't end was humanitarian assistance. >> we heard from your old boss, the defense secretary, lloyd austin there, in the beginning of the program. he said that the lesson he learned from the isis campaign was that an urban warfare you have to protect civilians, and he was sharp in his words and said he has pushed israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties, provide violence by set lers in the west bank. sound like the netanyahu government has not made the changes they have been asked to make for the past few weeks. >> they have been receptive to those messages. those messages he delivered in public we are delivering in private. >> for three weeks or more now, including on this program. >> they have been receptive to those messages. i want to make it clear the right number of civilian casualties is zero and many thousands have been killed and many more thousands have been

wounded and now more than a million are internally displaced. we're aware of that and know that all of that is a tragedy. we grieve with all those families. that's why we continue to work as secretry austin said with our israeli counterparts to get them to be as careful and as precise and as deliberate in their targeting as possible, and i would tell you, as i said, they have been receptive. they went into north gaza with a much smaller force than what they originally planned to do and you have -- >> the united states slowed down those operations. >> if you have in the last 24 hours, they have been putting a map online of places where people in gaza need to avoid and need to go. >> they don't have connectivity widely in gaza. you know that. >> they've been doing it with paper and leaflets and that kind of thing. my point is, margaret, that it's very rare for a modern military to take those kinds of steps, basically telegraphing their punches, before they actually conduct operations. so i think they're listening and receptive. >> but you're continuing to deliver this message at pretty high levels including the vice

president. >> o course. >> saying this, that number you say thousands, the gaza ministry of health says it's over 15,000 people who have been killed since october 7th. does the u.s. have an assessment of civilians? >> we don't have a specific number we can speak to, but we know many thousands have been killed and many, many more wounded, but we don't have an exact figure. ⌞> hamas, when it attacked so brutally on october 7th, you were very strong, you reflected the president's emotion on this, his defense of the netanyahu government. >> yeah. >> but senator van hollen, who was on this program recently, faulted you. i want you to listen to it. >> many of us were concerned, just a few weeks ago, when one of the white house national security spokesperson was asked if the united states has any red lines and the answer was no. which means anything goes. that cannot be consistent with

american interest rates and values. >> he's talking ability what you said october 24th from the podium a democrat saying they need clear language from the white house. >> everything we do for a foreign military including israel when you give them security assistance there are expectations with that security assistance, that it's going to be used in keeping with the law of armed conflict and law of war. we are in constant touch with our israeli counterparts about the way they're prosecuting these operations. secretary blinken said it's not what you do but how you do -- >> are there red lines? >> we believe the approach we have been taking has had an effect. it has allowed israel to go after a viable terrorist threat to their existence and at the same time -- >> are there red lines? what we're seeing right now is that the journal was reporting bunker buster bombs, 2,000 pound bombs, handed over. the united states is a really strong supporter of israel here. should there be brighter lines? >> we are having these

discussions with our israeli counterparts every day about being careful, precise and deliberate in their targeting and trying to minimize civilian casualties to the maximum extent possible. it's important for people to remember what they're up against here. hamas deliberately shelters themselves inside residential buildings, hospitals and schools, basically on purpose, putting civilians in the line of fire and what israel is trying to do is get them out of the line of fire. it's an added burden that israel has as a modern military, but it's also a very difficult burden and obstacle to overwhen. look, we don't want to see a single more innocent life taken here and we're going to continue to work wih israel about this. the approach has delivered some results, including more than 100 hostages getting out. >> right. you understand the implications for u.s. national securitiby to seen as endorsing all of this which is what van hollen was raising. i want to ask you about venezuela as well before i lot you go. the u.s. lifted some sanctions

off the maduro regime and set some goals. november 30th supposed to be three americans who were determined to be wrongfully detained released. that didn't happen. >> no, it didn't. >> what -- >> nor did the release of other political prisoners. what happens now? will you put more sanctions on? what is the status of those americans? >> i don't want to get ahead of where we are in the decision making process. we're reviewing our options right now. they had until the evening of the 30th to make these kinds of decisions. unfortunately they didn't. and so we're now going back to the policy options and reviewing ha are chances are. >> including snapback sanctions. >> i don't want to get ahead of where we are, but we're extremely concerned they didn't take the two extra steps, release of political prisoners and getting our wrongfully detained americans home. that's something we take seriously getting those folks home and we'll keep at it. >> thank you for being here. >> good to be with you. >> we'll be right back. only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions

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we go now to the former governor of new jersey and 2014 republican presidential candidate chris christie. good to have you back on the program. we know, sir, the rnc is supposed to announce tomorrow who will be on the december 6th debate stage. has the rnc told you you've qualified to be there, and if you haven't, will you drop out? >> i don't think they've told anybody yet who all of us are going to be on the stage, but i'm confident, margaret, that i will be there and we have all the qualifications to get there. >> you told cnn over thanksgiving you will stay in the race through the convention, which would put you into the summer months. does the field need to consolidate to beat donald trump, which you say is one of your prime motivations in running? >> look, this field has already consolidated more than any nonincumbent field in this century, margaret. this time eight years ago we had

13 still in the race. at this time back in 2011, we had eight candidates in the race and this time back in 2007, we had nine candidates in the race. this field has consolidated significantly and i suspect it will consolidate more after folks vote in iowa and new hampshire. >> isn't it a little bit different that you have the 45th president of the united states running, a known entity, who has t automatic platform, it's a different model, a different case. >> the other thing that makes it different he has 91 counts of an indictment against him. the day before super tuesday he's going to start a criminal trial where his former chief of staff and one of the founders of the freedom caucus is going to testify he committed crimes on his watch and was directed to commit crimes by donald trump. >> yeah. >> there's a lot of things different about this, and that's why anybody trying to predict this is just shooting in the dark. >> but why don't -- why hasn't that turned off the gop electorate? when you look at cbs polling and others, he is leading, as you

know, and then, i mean, you've made clear when some of the other competitors are using really harsh rhetoric, that you think that should disqualify them. why hasn't that extreme rhetoric turned the gop off of these other candidates either? >> well, look, first off, i don't think you know exactly what's going to happen at all until people vote. look, if we listen to all the polling, margaret, hillary clinton would be in her second term. so i don't believe that polling is nearly as reliable as it used to be, and i don't believe that people tell the truth to pollsters. so at the end of the day, everybody is trying to make these decisions now are just wrong. let's remember something, in this -- in the republican primary in '07, you know who was winning at this time? mitt romney. you know who was winning this time in '11 was newt gingrich and in '15 ben carson. i don't remember those presidencies. my view, we can't worry about

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during this campaign, at least only one still standing. why was it important for you to go? >> i think if you want to be president of the united states, you have to see these things for yourself. you can't count on reports from pundits or the press or other folks in the public life. you have to see it for yourself. when i went to israel, margaret, a couple weeks ago, the inhumanity i saw that hamas rained upon the jewish people in israel, i went into one home of a 24-year-old couple recently married, both were murdered in their small three-room home, and there were 140 bullet holes in the walls to kill two people, margaret. it's not just the inhumanity that hamas executes, it's the joy they take in that inhumanity and that's why israel has to do what they need to do to eliminate the military threat. i would not have understood it and couldn't be an effective president if i didn't see it for

myself. >> we'll see if the other candidates go. one of the things i want to pick up on that we see voters responding to thus far is abortion. you know it's been a galvanizing issue in favor of democrats. we've seen that a few times now. are you concerned that in a head to head, that that will help to buoy the president himself as he runs for re-election and how does a republican candidate like yourself take the issue to the national stage when the message for decades has been it's a state issue? >> look, margaret, i've been consistent on this. i believe the conservative, smart approach is to let the states make these decisions. that's what i think they should do and i said i wouldn't sign a six-week national abortion ban as governor desantis and now just recently in iowa, governor haley said she would sign a six-week ban.

i don't think you can say one thing in one place and something in another. for 50 years vince argued that the supreme court took this decision away from the people. i think this belongs in the hands of the people of each individual state. we see a great democratic, small "d" event going on across the country in places like michigan and kansas and ohio, where people are voting. let's let the american people vote in their individual states and decide what they want this policy to be. >> so better for the party not to have a national policy? essentially is what you're saying? >> i believe that's -- i believe that's true. i believe that's what the constitution guides us to do, and that's where we should stay and where i've been. i'm concerned, quite frankly, margaret, that, you know, candidates in this race have been all over the block on this. >> yeah. >> and it's not right. people deserve to have a straight answer from you and that's my straight answer. >> so also, giving a fairly straight asis sestment is liz cheney who did an interview with john dickerson and told him the

united states is sleepwalking into a dictatorship. bob kagan, writer in the new york -- in "the washington post" had an op-ed saying after super tuesday in march, donald trump will be the republican nominee and what happens there will be a swift and dramatic shift in the political power dynamic in his favor, saying all republican critics, perhaps even yourself, will fall silent out of self-preservation. is that how you see your party behaving after march? >> look, i can't speak for everyone in my party. i can only speak for myself, margaret. anybody who knows me knows i will not be silent. i haven't been silent since the day i got into this race. unlike others, nikki haley say he was the right president for the right time and for some reason, you know, drama and chaos seem to follow him. the reason is that he acts like someone who doesn't care about our democracy, acts like someone

who wants to be a dictator, he act the like someone who cont care for the constitution. he's even said himself he would be willing to suspend the constitution if the election wasn't going in his direction. i was the only one on that stage going back to august when we were asked would you support someone who, you know, was convicted of a felony for president of the united states, nikki haley, ron desantis, vivek ramaswamy, they all raised their hand. i did not. and i think i've made it very, very clear how i feel about this, and if folks want a return to some decency and civility, why would you ever vote for donald trump? >> chris christie, we'll watch. thanks for your time. we'll be right back.

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american leaders. good morning to you both. >> good morning, margaret. >> well, we like -- >> good morning. >> we like trying to bring civility back to politics, although i have to say, a lot of what's happening in the world makes that challenging, i think, at times, for people. one of those things, i want to dive right into first with you, governor cox, and that is, that the conflict in the middle east right now has inflamed tensions in this country, arguments and we're seeing it often play out on college campuses, for example. i know you told state colleges in utah to remain neutral and stop commenting on current events. you said, i don't care what your position is on israel palestine, i don't care what your position is on roe versus wade, we don't need our institution to take a position on those things. that sounds like agreeing not to disagree at all. >> it's the opposite. if you look at what we put out

that was voted on unanimously by the board of higher ed in our state, the institutions need to be neutral so that we can have these disagreements. we want actually more disagreement on campus. there's a better way to do that. we can disagree without tearing each other apart. that was part of a free speech initiative we're working on in this state. we want more students on campus to engage in this type of dialog and more politics on campus. what's happening, sadly, across the united states, is too many of our universities have not followed the chicago principles that were put out many years ago that come out with strong statements, very political statements, and end up silencing dissent or disagreement on campuses. we want campuses to be a place of robust discussion. it's how i was when i was growing up. all of us had these wonderful experiences and less cancel culture on campus. free speech means you have to allow for other people to disagree, even if those are very unpopular opinions. >> governor polis, is that how you handle things in colorado

around this issue? >> yeah. the other part of that, the second part, no matter what your beliefs you should be safe whether it's in a campus or a city, regardless of how you express your opinion, you shouldn't be afraid to walk from one side of the campus to another wearing a jewish scarf around your neck or a muslim american. a responsibility our universities and cities and others, we had a major jewish conference, jewish national fund in denver, major efforts, city of denver to keep the country safe and there were room for people to demonstrate and they were able to express their free speech and no one was injured and hopefully led to a few conversations. >> some would argue there is a moral imperative to speak out, you know, in the college town of burlington, vermont, we saw the three young men brutally shot, one may not walk again. palestinian americans. we've seen the spike in

anti-semitism before october 7th but even more so seems like an deluge afterwards. how do you balance that in your messaging to the heads of the universities in your state? >> i think it's very important and what governor polis said is exactly that. it is about keeping people safe. what -- you gave an example where that did not happen. we absolutely should speak out, about protecting and keeping people safe on our campuses. that's very different, margaret, than taking a position on a political issue, which is happening always over the country and it's ridiculous what is happening on our campuses when it comes to that. you saw it all the time, in fact, university presidents that all the issues of the day as long as they were leaning one political direction, but then as soon as israel and hamas happens, there was silence across campuses because, well, if we speak out in support of israel, we might offend, you know, a very vocal part of our campus. that's embarrassing. it shouldn't happen.

it's better that the institutions themselveses stay neutral on these. this is not new. this is a long-time thing on our campuses that should be happening to protect our students so they can have the robust debates. we want this debate to be happening on our campuses. >> two pro israel groups the anti-defamation league and the brandeis center wrote 200 university presidents asking them to investigate a group called students for justice in palestine arguing it's rhetorical support for hamas and governor desantis of the state of florida ordered the removal of support in state universities that triggered an aclu lawsuit. governor polis, what are your thoughts on that in. >> so margaret, thank you, by the way, for drilling in on one of the most divisive topics today. we can disagree better about israel and palestinian and everything, and great example and lens to view it through. part of what the goal is is to get people to stop shouting at

one another, whatever the issue, whether it's abortion, israel, palestinian, the border and immigration, stop shouting, start talking and listening. that's the same with this issue, right. there are a lot of people shouting at one another. that's their right, as long as they don't engage in violence or intimidation, but everybody can have a more productive conversation if we try to get in the same room. what is a post-october 6th gaza looks like, who governors it, how can we have commitments to the palestinian and israeli people. almost everybody who is pro-israeli cares about the people, a vast majority of people pro independent palestine believe there should be a jewish state and the jews have a role of being in israel. how do we have these conversations rather than shouting past one another over what is absolutely one of the most divisive issues of our time both on campuses and in the broader community. >> we'll see where that specific lawsuit goes. on -- you brought up the border. that's certainly also -- i'm challenging the premise and i

want more civility, but tell me how to do it on some of these things. i know the president was just in colorado this past week. you are concerned in your state about the spike in migration. i understand you have also bussed migrants to some cities in new york and chicago, which earned you some harshly worded letters from the mayors there. how is that different from what governor abbott was doing in texas? and how do you get along better with your fellow governors on this one? >> yeah. again, happy to discuss it on policy. our role in colorado was helping people get where they want go. we're just north of texas. people come up through and, obviously, we're not going to detain them in colorado. we've had about 2 or 3,000 venezuelan refugees settled in our state and tens of thousands that moved on to where they're going. i think you start with how do we have a conversation about better security at the border? democrats want that. republicans want that. president biden has proposed it. i hope congress acts and funds

better border security. the flip side it's not easy. not a sound bite or a flashy wall. it's a thoughtful, high tech approach to border security, asylum reforms and immigration reform generally. a common ground with governor cox we've been able to successfully start through the national governor's association an immigration task force of governors, six democrats, six republicans, agreeing on principles around border security and imgmigration refor to serve as an example for congress. >> have you got an response to some of those proposals from congress? >> yeah. we'll be putting those out shortly and publicly. this is the perfect example, again, a very divisive issue, put republicans and democrats in a room together and start hashing it out. this is not about agreeing on everything or being nicer to each other, although we need that, it is about disagreeing if productive ways and finding be common ground. we found an immense amount of common ground. working through some of the details, but it's getting very close. >> we'll watch for that.

governors, thank you for disagreeing better. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be back in a moment.

the cdc announced friday the number of respiratory cases is increasing across most areas of the country, rsv covid, flu. we go to former commissioner and pfizer board member dr. scott gottlieb. dr. gottlieb, thanks for coming back. what should we be bracing for this season? >> we're probably looking at a more typical wint are path again season than what we've seen in past years. that's now abating and we're seeing it spread to the northeast right now and other parts of the country. that's an infection that affects little children, particularly hard and older adults. there's some treatments available and ways to protect infants for people to take advantage of. flu has started later than it did last year and predominantly flu a, the vaccine does seem to cover it well, and the rates have been about 38% of adults and children vaccinated for flu.

no reason to believe we're going to have a worse flu season than in past years and probably hopefully less than what we saw last year when we saw a dense and early epidemic of flu. with covid cases right now are less than what they were last year at this point of time, we're averaging about 600,000 cases day based on some modeling work that has been done off of waste water and the strain that's increasing in prevalence is the ba.2.86 strain that we talked about a couple months ago that spread through europe and variant of that jn 1 that does appear to spread more easily no reason to believe that is more dangerous than previous strains of covid and people who have been vaccinated with the new variant vaccine or had a recent covid infection should have some protection against this new variant. >> we've seen these clusters of this unusual pneumonia in the state of ohio. there's some reports in massachusetts and in ohio 145 cases in children ages 3 to 14 years. what's making these kids sick in these clusters?

>> yeah. when cdc looked inside the clusters they're seeing is typical path again adenovirus, strep pneumonia and mycoplasma moim. it caused dense outbreakses in europe and responsible for the outbreak in china affecting children. it's a known bacteria that is epidemic every three to five years. we've seen epidemics of this in the past. we haven't seen an epidemic wave since covid broke out so in some respects we're due for it. a lot of children don't have immunity to it and haven't experienced a mycoplasma pneumonia illness. it can cause a chronic cough and you need to be alert for it. some children will get into trouble with it and become more sick and develop fevers, rashes, persistent cough, and doctors need to be alert because the typical antibiotics we use to treat usual strains of pneumonia don't work with mycoplasma. you need particular kinds of

drugs, like aazithromycin which are available as generic drugs. so doctors need to be looking for it. >> parents are taking notes on that one. you mentioned china. there were, including me, republican senators including marco rubio sent a letter this week, and he's, you know, ranking on intelligence committee, someone who when he speaks people listen to and says a ban on travel could save our country from death, lockdowns, mandates and further outbreaks. is that appropriate? >> well look, i think right now we have more information about what is spreading in china, and it does appear to be more usual strains of illness. there's no reason to believe that there's something novel spreading there. i think at the outset of that outbreak in china when reports first surfaced we didn't have a lot of information, the world health organization expressed frustration that china wasn't being forthcoming and it's more of the same.

i mean china needs -- the chinese government needs to be more forthcoming when these things do arise so that they can help inform other countries because inevitably what's spreading there is going to spread in other parts of the world and we need to be working together. i think some of the initial concerns that something novel could be spreading in china were well founded because china wasn't being forthcoming the chinese government. >> and the cdc director said something similar to you, that this is not a new or novel path again. how can the u.s. be confident if like you're saying china is not sharing info? >> yeah. i think we've learned we need more active surveillance. so you still see testing of waste water on planes coming out of certain parts of the world. hopefully including china. that's one good way to he defect. we have good flu surveillance in that part of the world as well. if there was a strain of flu spreading we would detect it. we're subject to the cooperation

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last week saw the departures of several well-known public servants. their careers range from highly distinguished to controversial to disastrous. here's mark strassmann. >> in light of the expulsion of the gentleman from new york, mr. santos, the whole member of the house is now 434. >> reporter: george santos, ex-congressman, ex, as in expelled. that part of his resume is real. his parting shot reportedly as he left the capitol to hell with this place. over time, he had become

self-parody, his gift, his federal indictment for fraud, the way he piled one fiction on another seeming to breathe on someone else's dime >> the next president of the united states, my husband, jimmy carter. >> reporter: rosalynn carter put the public in her service. unelected but undeniable, jimmy carter's first lady was powerful. >> he always knew how i felt. sometimes he took my advice and sometimes he didn't. >> reporter: in her long life she championed mental health, women's rights and caregivers. three former presidents and all five living first ladies saluted her last week. mrs. carter eulogized as a servant leader with a servant's heart. >> wouldn't it be wonderful if we had more leaders that kept that covenant and served well. >> reporter: sandra day o'connor died last friday at 93.

a stanford law grad was initially offered jobs as a legal secretary. she became famous and powerful, the first he female supreme court justice. its nickname during her tenure the o'connor court. >> opportunities at every level not just for lawyers and judges, but across the spectrum opened for women. >> reporter: o'connor was considered a swing vote on issues like abortion. she disputed her role as the deciding vote in george bush's victory in the 2000 election. >> you were the deciding voter in that case. anybody was the deciding vote. >> well, okay. >> they all counted. >> they all counted. >> yes. >> you have no regrets? >> no. i mean it was a tough deal in a closely fought he election and it's no fun to be part of a group of decision makers that has to decide which side the ball is going to fall on. >> reporter: and henry kissinger. in modern times, no american

diplomat was more powerful or polarizing. >> with us now henry kissinger who is national security adviser to president nixon. >> reporter: a guest on "face the nation" more than 20 times, here in 1985, ten years after the u.s. withdraw from vietnam. >> the kennedy and johnson administrations took on a task that was greater than they estimated. >> reporter: celebrated for nixon's trip to china and vilified for the secret carpet bombing of cam he body ya. he won the nobel peace prize and was pilloried as a war criminal. kissinger tried to shape u.s. follows advance american interests. his admirers hope he rests in peace with honor. check out those "face the nation" appearances on our youtube channel. thank you all for watching. until next week, i'm margaret brennan.

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>> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." good evening and thanks for joining us. we begin this sunday in the middle east. tonight israel is widening its hunt for hamas leaders to southern gaza, where the majority of the territory's population is now crowded. for civilians there is no escape. there is panic and