this is cbs news bay area, with elizabeth cook. >> we must all remember that achieving reparations is bigger than any of us. >> payouts as payback for decades of disparities. >> when you repair, we don't want you to leave nothing out but >> today, we sit down with a civil rights pioneer from san francisco , who spent decades on the cause to compensate black people from the lasting impact of slavery. >> when it came to the payment of what america owed us because of the crime that was committed against our humanity . >> a critic who says the city's plans are unconstitutional. thank you for joining us this afternoon, i'm elizabeth cook. our focus, today, is on the effort here in san

francisco to pay black residents for the lasting impact of slavery, and what some are calling discriminatory city policies that have stemmed from it. reverend amos brown, a former freedom writer and champion of the cause will join us live in studio, as will an outspoken critic of reparations , richie greenberg. that is all ahead this half-hour. first, let's get you caught up on today's news headlines. two people injured, multiple buildings evacuated after a fire broke out in san francisco. it started just before 330 this morning on masonic avenue. firefighters rescued two people, including one to jump out of the burning building. the police apartment is putting a high school officer at every high school in the city. they will also routinely check in with each middle school campus. there have been several violent incidents in the past week. back in march a student died after being stabbed in the classroom at montgomery high school. three oakland coffee shop

workers have been fired after a confrontation with a customer. that customer recorded the employees blocking her from the bathrooms after she noticed anti-semitic graffiti and tried to take a picture of it. the employees say the house customer harassed them earlier , and that one of the owners has known of the graffiti for months. to first alert weather, now. mild and dry conditions, at least for now. meteorologist jessica birch lays out our we go ahead and next chance for showers from our state-of-the-art ritual view studio. >> this past weekend was beautiful for us through the bay area and today we are seeing a repeat of that. 60s in the forecast throughout most of the bay into the afternoon. this is the time of year where we usually see temperatures preparing for the first day of winter. especially in this early-morning hour where temperatures dip into the 40s and upper 30s but that was the case for us this morning across the north bay. today we will be seeing low 60s anywhere from petaluma stretching north into

santa rosa. let's look at the next couple of days. it will be a dry day for us today. tomorrow, into the weekend, it is not until late this weekend, early next week, where we start to see a chance of showers return to the forecast for us. today and tomorrow it is mild. we will see some fog in the forecast tomorrow morning, but all the storms are trekking to the north of us, we are just seeing leftover clouds. into this weekend, the cutoff flow begins to develop which will move into our california coastline. we have seen storms like this so far this year. we will keep you updated coming up. >> thanks so much. in just a couple of hours, the advisory committee pushing to grant black san francisco residents reparations will meet about the ongoing effort. this comes just days after potential setback. the chronicle is reporting maryland inbreed says she will not spend the money to create an office to oversee the rollout if reparations go through. she says, out of a budget of roughly $14 billion, san francisco just does not have the $4 million for it. joining me today is one of northern

california civil rights pioneers, reverend dr. amos brown, a longtime figure in the reparations effort, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for the opportunity to share with you and your audience this afternoon. >> reporter: where does the reparations effort now stand given maryland inbreed announcement that she will not spend the money for a committee? >> the matter is not about mere breed. the matter is about what this city has historically done to inflict pain and discriminatory practices upon black people. the fact reveal that. nothing but the facts , in our system of law and jurisprudence. if you commit a crime, you are going to pay for it. you get restitution. so, why, all of a sudden, do we say, that crime of enslavement of black people, that crime of

restricted governance in the city, that crime of disparity in educational opportunities , yes, it was committed , but we are not going to pay for it. that is not logical. it doesn't make sense , and these persons who are saying, we don't owe you anything, should think about the fact that we paid something to the japanese, the u.s. government. and germany, the german government paid the jes . and even in the 1800s, this nation gave to whites 160

acres of land under the homestead act. that was something given to them. so, why would anyone who is humane , who is fair, and who knows something about that golden rule found across the eight major religions, what is it? do unto others as you would have them do unto you. what is good for the goose is good for the gander. >> this plan would give each eligible black resident of sentences go $5 million. >> that is not the matter. that is not the matter. someone gave a good estimation of what the wrong amounted to in terms of discrimination, in terms of the fallout of enslavement of our ancestors . the question is, for the majority culture and the political process to

answer, what do you feel you would be worse, if you were wrong. we are not dealing with his gunfight about $5 million. the basic thing is, this city owes something to black people. in recent times . we have all the facts. black people, 20,000 , were pushed out of the fillmore. that was a community of blacks, through their blood sweat and tears, build businesses , hotels , filling stations . but the facts reveal that the program started in 1948 displaced black folks, and our population

has dwindled, gone down , from about 16%, now 24%. that did not happen by accident. but was intentional public policy. >> what impact would reparations have on the black community here in san francisco? how big of a difference would that make in terms of education, opportunities, in terms of homeownership? >> we will receive everything that others are getting. you look at how much money has recently been spent , not talking about going back into enslavement, and talking about the era of jim crow. but you look and see how much we have spent for schools on the southeastern sector of this city, against the left side and north side, and the facts will reveal, disparities and injustices. it's all there.

when you look at the matter of healthcare , health services, the health department has not been consistently fair , in making sure that we had mental health, physical health, and environmental health, which was of quality, and did not mirror or reflect disparities . i could go on and on , with all of the indices. the basic point is, i invite people of logic, of goodwill, of conscious , and integrity, to stand up, and join us , and work with us . if you say that there is something that needs to be tweaked, you have arguments about what should be done , step up to the plate ,

and say something. but, for one to say that we are not owed anything is inhumane , is evil, and is wrong. >> what do you say to critics, who say that this is a multibillion-dollar proposal and the city just can't afford it? what do you say to those critics? >> we have afforded other things that we have wanted to do, that we had the will to do. where there is a will, there is always a way. the question is, where is the political will to work with -- not around or over black people, but to work with us, at the table , and rationally and responsibly come up with measures that will repair -- i wouldn't call it

reparations, because many people have different understandings and understandings about that. but everybody knows something about repair, when something has been broken . you repair it. and it will cost you something. so, we need to repair this black community, and areas of economic deprivation. money was taken out of this black community. health reveals that when it comes to asthma, strokes, heart attack, because we have not had the economic empowerment to have insurance and all of the opportunities that other people have had when it came to regaining one's health. when you look at the matter of this criminal justice system, who has been

disproportionately locked up , and the keys almost thrown away . only impacting 4% of the population, but what percentage represent the black community? you're talking about 30% or 40%. that is a bad picture. we ought to have our fair share of criminality. >> reverend brown, we could talk to you for hours about this topic that you fought in your community for generations and i thank you for joining us. >> thank you for the opportunity of sharing. >> plenty of support for reparations in san francisco, but not everyone is on board. coming up,

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today, we are diving deeper into the effort to grant reparations for black residents in san francisco. reparations, including potential ups lump-sum payments of $5 million. some critics say that would be a waste of taxpayer money, and call the proposal unconstitutional. joining me live, now, his political commentator and

former candidate for chance sisco mayor, richard greenberg. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me on. >> you, personally issued a cease and desist on the reparations committee. why do you feel this plan is unconstitutional? >> well, it is not me that is saying this , it is actually the law. i have confirmed , through collaboration with numerous attorneys up and down the state of california. there is, what they are proposing, in their initial 62 page reparations plan , the committee that worked for 1 1/2 years when it was first presented to our board of supervisors and city council, contained so many proposals that would run afoul of both united states constitution, the california constitution, the

civil rights act, the civil rights act of state and federal another supreme court decisions. so, it is not me. i am not the bad guy. i am not the person who says that this should not go through, because it is unconstitutional, the law itself says that, and, not only me, you have take my word , in the reparations plan itself, but admit it. they say that article 34 of the california constitution, prop 209 , those are provisions that would stop many of the provisions of the reparations plan wants to do. so, as the reverend dr. amos brown said, and i respect him very much, he is a pillar of san francisco society, and this is an honor to be included in this segment to talk about

reparations, no question. but, it goes so far beyond just the $5 million lump sum payment to our black and african-american communities in san francisco but there are hundreds of different provisions and proposals. but, being honest here, it is as if they are trying to install apartheid. that is what is so ludicrous, and i'm trying very hard to be respectful to the 15 member -- actually, now 14 members of the reparations committee that worked for a year and a half and came up with a plan that looks just like apartheid. >> go deeper with that. if reparations are not the answer to uplift the black community, then what is the answer in your opinion? >> right. so, for example, off the top of my head, they want to create a black bank,

black credit scores, they want to create prioritize hiring black businesses, black schools with black curriculum, and so on. it is a total separation, like a segregation of that community, which we should be happy to have as partners altogether here, we should not be drinking about segregation, but what they want is segregation. so, here is the thing. we already have provisions, state and federal, if someone has been wronged, if someone has been , either through bias, or racism, or if someone has been denied a loan, or been fired from their jobs or denied a promotion, where they have been discriminated against as a business, business not discriminate against a customer , as we

recently heard about over in oakland, anything like that is covered by our constitution. federal and state. there are numerous lawyers out there that would be happy to take on, pro bono, free of charge, to represent anyone who has been wronged. you can take them to court. you can sue. right now, that is what we have had for years but that is a part of the civil rights act which goes back decades, and we can thank many people, including the doctor reverend angus brown for his work and everyone throughout the united states that has worked to gain those civil rights and gaining the way to seek and to win, not reparations, but to get justice, because that is what this is about justice. there are ways to do it, and we have it available, now. in san francisco, residents and business owners, anyone who has been denied a loan or mortgage refinancing for giving a car loan, for a job , dissemination, you can get

someone on board with you , and you can sue. that is how you take care of it. but also, i know , and we all know in san francisco, there are disparities between the different african-american and latinos who are not on the same quality of educational public schools . that is a challenge, that is important, and we need to work with the san francisco school district to rectify that., reparations, there is an insurmountable wall that they cannot -- they won't be able to push this through. there will be a landslide of lawsuits to block it from happening. because, looking at it today, the majority of us here in san francisco have nothing to do with what has happened to our african-american community. it has nothing to do with us. >> this is an issue that will keep going, no question. rishi

greenberg, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. still ahead, we continue to look at the efforts towards reparati [narrator] covered california is a free service from the state that's already helped millions of people like you get and pay for health insurance. with financial health to lower the cost of health coverage, you could get a quality health plan for less than $10 a month. every plan covers preventive care, doctor visits,

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welcome back. we have been looking at reparations in san francisco. the state of california also has a task force . they gave their final report, this summer. now, a bill has been introduced to create a new state agency to oversee reparations. that will be voted on next year. a recent uc berkeley poll spoke with 6000 registered voters and found that while 60% of people said that slavery is still affecting black residents, only 28% of people support cash payments. let's take a live look at alameda county, earlier this year, the board of supervisors voted to form a reparations commission, and in oakland, the school district past resolution back in 2021, the district's task force created a black thriving plan to support students. the union claimed the plan didn

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