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secure america's southern border. >> that bill were the law today i would shut down the border right now and fix it quickly. >> there is zero chance i will support this horrible, open borders betrayal of america. it's not going to happen. >> can a bipartisan group of lawmakers keep the deal on track, despite pressure from the former president to abandon it and deny president biden a win? we'll a ask oklahoma senator james lankford, the top gop negotiator if this deal can become law. we'll hear from virginia democrat senator tim kaine, who's hoping an agreement will also clear the way for more foreign aid to ukraine and israel and check in with biden administration envoy amos hochstein who is working to prevent the war in israel from spiralling into leb ba none. an update from save the children ceo janti soeripto on the humanitarian crisis in gaza.

united autoworkers president shawn fain joins us to discuss what's next after his union finally endorsed president bidennd at future of american industry. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." president biden has vowed that he will shut down the u.s.-mexico border when it becomes overwhelmed, if congress approves a bipartisan proposal under negotiation in the senate. this weekend, those lawmakers have been finaliing details of the deal. if approved, it would require homeland security to reject migrants after average daily border crossings surpass 5,000 over seven days. it would raise the standard to accept asylum seekers and

shorten the time for legal review of their cases to just six months. expand fast-track deportations and restrict the use of the immigration parole authority. the deal also includes measures related to legal migration. it will allocate 50,000 more mim grant visas, give status to the children of skilled workers and offer permanent residency to afghans brought here after the u.s. withdraw from afghanistan. all this on top of the $14 billion president biden has previously requested to fund operati operations and hire additional personal. camilo montoya-galvez is at the border in eagle pass, texas. what would the immediate impact be? >> reporter: good morning margaret. the immigration compromise negotiated by president biden and a small group of senators and congress would dramatically change spols policy here at the u.s.-mexico border. the president would gain

authority to shut down asylum processing when a spike in daily illegal crossings. an average of 4,000 are crossing the border each day. that means if this deal was to be signed today, margaret, the president would be able to invoke this power immediately different border agency the authority to return migrants to mexico. this deal includes exceptions and would serve at ports of entry. migrants would be able to work in the u.s. if they pass their initial asylum screenings. margaret, this deal will certainly garner opposition from the left and right, but if congress is able to pass this framework, it would mark the first time that the u.s. immigration system is upgraded since the 1990s. >> which would be significant. camilo i see what is national guard personnel behind you. there has been this standoff between the state of texas and the federal government about that park you are nearby where a lot of migrants touch ground after crossing the river.

what's the latest on that shutdown? >> that's right. this public park behind me in eagle pass is now at the center of an extraordinarily legal showdown between texas and the biden administration over the future of u.s. immigration policy here at the border. the texas national guard commandeered this park in early january and has since blocked border patrol agents from entering this park. this has been used by border patrol to process migrants, but texas fortified it with razor wire, fencing and other barriers to pimds the passage. texas says it needs to do this but the department of homeland security is demanding that texas relent saying that this is an unconstitutional action. texas right now is defying those demands, so that is paving the way for yet another legal clash between texas and the biden administration over immigration. >> camilo, thanks for your reporting. >> thanks, margaret. we're joined by oklahoma republican james lankford in oklahoma city this morning.

good morning to you, sir. it has taken you two months to get this bipartisan deal. do you have the support of your fellow republicans to actually vote this through? >> well, actually, i wish it had had only taken about two months, it's taken four months. we've started in october. everyone is looking to read the bill at this point. that's the key aspect. we're working on the final aspects of it to try to be able to get it out so everyone can read it. they're all functioning off of internet rumors of what's in the bill and many of them are false. people want to be able to see it, read it, go through it and see the dramatic change that this really makes and how we handle our immigration system and work to be able to secure our border completely. that's been the simple request of americans, whether you're republican, democrat, or independent, people want a secure border where we have legal immigration but not promoting illegal immigration and that's what we've seen the last three years. >> you don't have a vote count

yet? >> do not have a vote count yet on this because everybody has to be able to read it, but i feel positive about it because even the initial feedback has been good. >> so you just heard the details laid out by our immigration correspondent. how do you balance the shutdown power that would be in these new authorities versus the right to claim asylum? >> yeah. this is similar to what we had under title 42 during the pandemic to say we can't really operate. we don't have that authority right now as the united states. we've reached crisis points when we get 4, 5,000 crossing the border we can no longer process those individuals. the biden administration is just releasing them into the country. this is what's driving the mayors in denver and chicago and new york city and other places around the country crazy to say when the border is crowded you release them to our cities and causes chaos in the cities. this is a new authority to say we can no longer detain and

deport and can't process the people and make a decision right there at the border we'll turn those folks back around to mexico and say we can no longer do this. that gives the authority to the united states and to law enforcement rather than the authorities of the criminal cartels. the cartels can rush our border and get through as many people as they want to get through. we cannot have criminal organizations running our southern border. we have to be able to run our southern border. >> so parole authority has been a sticking point for republicans throughout. the administration has used it in a novel way to resettle 1 million people. so how are you changing that authority? >> yeah. humanitarian parole is still an issue for us, but it's been an authority that every president has had to have basic humanitarian parole. as you mentioned this administration has used humanitarian parole in a way no other administration has. they've said if you'll just tell us in advance you're coming, come to a port of entry, the first day you get here we'll hand you a work permit and

release you into the country under parole. that's actually attracting more people. of course, people from around the world will want an american work permit to show up, so instead of deterring they're incentivizing illegal immigration and handing people a parole and work permit day one. that has to stop. we can't just have a system where we have that. in between the ports of entries when it gets crowded they'll just release them under a parole authority there and they're released into the country. we don't know if they qualify for asylum or where they are. by the hundreds of thousands people are being released into the country and we have no tracking on them at all. that has to stop. this is a national security issue for us. remind you we've had 50 come across our border we've interdicted on the terror watch list just in the past four months. we've had tens of thousands of people that came across our border that were identified as a national security risk. those individuals should not just be waved into the country. >> the conservative wall street journal editorial board called

this the best chance in years to fix the asylum law and parole loophole but donald trump who is the frontrunner to be your party's nominee, in 2024, is telling republicans not to support this. here's what he said last night in las vegas. >> a lot of the senators are trying to say respectfully blaming it on me. that's okay. blame it on me. please. because they were getting ready to pass a very bad bill, and i'll tell you what, a bad bill is -- i would rather have no bill than a bad bill. can you get this passed without donald trump's approval? >> i'm looking forward to president trump having the opportunity to be able to read it like everybody else is. there's a lot of misinformation out there right now that i hear this comment that it waves in 5,000 people, hands out work permits. all are not true. there's a lot of internet rumors running around on this right now. we're looking forward to getting the information out. i can say there is no question, no matter what your political persuasion is, we would not have

had the immigration crisis we're experiencing right now if president trump would have been president the last three years no way 8 million cross our border because you would enforce those different authorities and would have made sure we actually secure our border. but even while he was president, he was specifically asking congress to change the standard on asylum to be able to tighten up and give additional funds for deportation. all of those things are in this bill. so if he were to be president, this would be new authorities that he asked for when he was president before. >> right. i just want -- you just said that he has not read this bill. he doesn't essentially know what he's talking about. so this deal -- >> i'm not saying that. i'm saying there's a lot of rumors out there about the bill and i want to make sure everyone has a chance to read it before they make a final judgment. >> right. the deal you just said would give any future president and the current one new authorities. so on the trail, trump has vowed to block immigrants based on their beliefs, end birth right

citizenship, carry out mass deportations, and he has not ruled out separating kids from their parents. would you trust donald trump with these new authorities? >> i would, actually, because these are not only new authorities that have been asked for by multiple presidents, whether president trump, president obama, president bush before that, this is a basic thing that we have to have for our national security. when we talk about asylum right now you cross the border and you literally say i have fear in my country, and you're released into the united states and await a ten-year hearing. no one thinks that makes sense to have a ten-year backlog for saying the magic words i have fear in my country. we don't know if they qualify. we don't know their criminal record or anything. that absolutely has to change. that's been an issue for a very long time. that changes this in law. >> well, we will have to see where we are on the vote count, but i want to ask you in 2022, donald trump endorsed your re-election and in that

endorsement he said james lankford is strong on the border. has anything changed with your thoughts about endorsing donald trump for president? >> no. it hasn't at all. obviously, he's been very engaged as i've mentioned already on it. none of the things happening in the last three years on the border would have happened if donald trump was president. he knows i've been passionate about the border. this is an issue i worked on for a long time. he and i worked together on some of his border policies and when he did his big proposal a legislative proposal, because president trump proposed new laws and issues on this because we have gaps in the system. if you want to be able to secure the system, you can have president trump to be able to come in and secure the border because he's going to focus in on that. if he comes in as elected by the american people to come this november he's going to want these additional authorities in this because it will help every president from here on out. >> yeah. you're not endorsing him?

>> i haven't endorsed anyone, but he would be a much better president than what we're dealing with on national security. >> before i let you go, i want to get your reaction to the news that he was ordered to pay $83 million to a person that a jury found he defamed after a separate jury found that he had sexually assaulted her. does it give you any pause about him returning to office? >> it doesn't. obviously, these are legal cases. i don't jump in the middle of a legal case. it's been interesting the number of legal cases that have come up against president trump and then have failed and have been dropped or kicked out of the courts on it. this went through, and he said he's going to challenge it. let the courts actually make their decisions and the american people make their decision. states like colorado trying to be able to block the people of colorado from being able to choose who they vote for. let the american people decide this in november. >> well, the supreme court might decide on that one. we will have to leave it there for today. james lankford we will be focusing on what progress you're able to make. we'll be back in just one minute.

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we turn now to virginia democratic senator tim kaine who joins us from richmond, virginia. senator, from what you've heard about this white house deal with the senate, are you on board to support it? >> margaret, i'm really appreciative of the work that jim lankford, chris murphy and krysten sinema have done. this is tough. we haven't done immigration reform since 1986, so like james said i need to read it, but we have a challenge and the only way we're going to solve it is to try to come up with something bipartisan. that's the only way we ever do immigration reform. senator lankford has expressed his disappointment with president biden. i was disappointed when president trump turned down a border protection deal in 2018 that would have invested $25 billion at the border. but we can't look in the rearview mirror. we have to do what's right right now. one of the aspects of this bill i'm positive about it will help

us interdict fentanyl. in 2012, 50 virginians died of overdose. in 2022 it was 2,000. fentanyl is coming over the border from mexico largely through ports of entry. this bill will help us deal with that. that's why when president trump says vote no, wait for a year, wait for two years, people can't wait. they're suffering now and this bill will help deal with that situation. >> well, it doesn't include any status for so-called dreamers which has been a long-standing democratic request, and i know that during the trump years you said that asylum was a key value of the united states. given that biden administration is looking to restrict asylum are you comfortable with that? >> look, this is a painful compromise. this is a tough bill. i wish it were an immigration reform bill and not just a border security bill, but the fentanyl issue is a crisis and there's some aspects of what james described which i'm really interested in getting into the

details. your correspondent talked about the notion even though we may change standards in between ports of entry we will continue normal processing at points of entrip i think that's a positive. that will help create order instead of disorder. a lot of details to dig into. yes, i wish this was a comprehensive immigration reform bill, not just a border security bill, but i think there's going to be some positive things in here about work visas and think there's going to be positive things for kids who come to the border, they come, they don't know the language, the law, and it is so hard for them and this at least, i think will give them a greater understanding of what their rights are. we have to dig into the details, but we've got to find a compromise and as was pointed out this compromise was also key to opening up the security funding that we need for ukraine, humanitarian assistance in gaza, defense support for israel, all that is hinging upon getting this deal. we need to move forward.

>> right. and so to that point, democrats control the senate. is leader schumer giving you any timeline here for when he might be able to move on all of this and is there a plan b for ukraine if this fails? >> margaret, i think the timeline is senator schumer is let this border deal come together and then we'll move as quickly as we can. i think you're going to seat senate move very quickly this weekend and next to have a vote on the overall package. as you know the overall package isn't just border and ukraine it's gaza and israel, indo-pacific aid, state disaster relief. it's a sizable package, and many components are very popular. but the two challenging ones have been the border crane negotiation and the israel-gaza negotiation. if for some reason we can't find the border agreement i don't think that dooms ukraine aid because i believe votes are there for ukraine in both houses. the border issue is an important

one to do because, as senator lankford mentioned, the cartels are organizing and making tons of money rushing people to the border. it's important we do this. we've got to come up with a assistance for ukraine very, very soon. they've gained so much, but it's all at risk if the u.s. isn't there. >> well, i want to ask you about aid to israel and as you said gaza. the united states has temporarily suspended some of the aid to the u.n. agency that operates in gaza after israel shared information that 12 of its employees allegedly were involved in the attack on october 7th. i know that at least two of those people are dead now, according to the u.n. do you think that suspending aid for this agency that services 2 million for the actions of a dozen people is fair when the agency says that it is

collapsing? how is this going to be addressed? >> margaret, the humanitarian aids of gazans are massive. israel should defend itself against hamas but most gazans are not hamas and they've suffered. there's 2.2 million people that need humanitarian aid. if the u.n. agency cannot be a trusted deliver, there are other ngos who are and usaid and others work with ngos in gaza to deliver aid, and frankly, most of us have been disappointed about the extent of humanitarian aid that's been able to come into gaza. that's why in the package we're negotiating, it's defense support for israel but also robust humanitarian support for gaza and if we're going to do that it has to get to gazans and can't be blocked by israel. if we can't completely rely on the u.n. agency, there are other trusted ngos who have a good track record. this aid is monitored very carefully. we need to increase the pace, increase the volume, and get more aid to gazans.

>> and we have one of those agencies with us later in the program, though far smaller than the 13,000 employees of the u.n. president biden has talked about these u.s. strikes on the houthis continuing. i know you have some issue with that. >> i do, margaret. not with the notion that we have to protect our own ships, naval or commercial, from the houthis, and even strategically, protect the red sea from the houthis, but there's no congressional authorization for a war in yemen or the red sea against the houthis. none. the president has asserted that these strikes are about self-defense and they are designed to deter the hoouz houthis, but the administration has said they believe the attacks are going to continue and escalate. i'm from virginia. we have a lot of people in harm's way in the red sea and middle east right now on this mission, and what they want to know is, what's the strategy, what's the plan for

deescalation? if the u.s. is going against the houthis to protect shipping, shipping of other nation, what are other nations doing as part of this mission? that's why as a bipartisan group of senators wrote the president this week and said, what is the strategy? how will we deescalate? what is the legal rationale that you are using when congress hasn't authorized this military action? this week we're going to be digging heavily into those questions. >> all right. we'll put some of those to one of our upcoming guests as well. thank you, senator, for your time today. we'll be right back. ok like oth, but we're different. (other money manager) how so? (fisher investments) we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client'' best interest. (fisher investments) so we don't sell any commission-based products. (other money manager) then how do you make money? (fisher investments) we have a simple management fee, structured so we do better when our clients do better. (other money manager) your clients really come first then, huh? (fisher investments) yes. we make them a top priority, by getting to know their finances, family, health, lifestyle and more. (other money manager) wow, maybe we are different. (fisher investments) at fisher investments, we're clearly different. hi, i'm kim, and i lost 67 pounds on golo.

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