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good morning and welcome to 'mosaic'. i am ron swisher and it is a privilege to host 'mosaic' . on behalf of elizabeth, my cohost. i would like to thank you to those who made my retirement party such a glorious event. the community, united methodist church where it was held , the last seven years i had been the pastor, the administrative assistant did a fantastic job. getting the invitations out in the creativity of the program. and marty, my staff parish chair, they put it together and it was dynamic. i will never forget that moment. all the people who came and the music was glorious. with the director and the choir. all the soulless i asked to sing from betty and marianne in the choir along with kim and janel, who sings in a band. ron came from los

angeles to participate. and i had my cousin, who has a quartet and he plays the saxophone. many may remember, dear lord, by john coltrane. it was wonderful. along with the speakers. my colleagues and friends. jim hopkins. and dale witherspoon. and also , the wife of the late hugh burrell's, a mentor and host and producer of 'mosaic' form 20 plus years. she had heard about it on 'mosaic' when elizabeth interviewed me. i shout out to all of you who made it such a wonderful event and i have not been able to thank all of you and the churches i was able to serve.

i needed to do that. and i thank you. i felt in the last few months when i talked about ministry in my interview with elizabeth, i thought about what is the nature of ministry ? even though i am retired i will be active in prayer and concerned about ministry and what that means . i guest this morning is a colleague and friend for about 20 years who was at my retirement, jim hopkins who has been the pastor at lakeshore baptist for 31 years. almost 31. i thought we would start , and thank you for being at the retirement but i would take to start, what is it like to be a pastor that long in a church because most of us, methodist don't have a pastor that long. what is that like for you ? >> congratulations on your retirement and on a superb ministry. and prayers for

whatever comes next. it was a real honor to be part of your service. what is it like to be at a place for a long time? i say, i grew up there. my family was very young when i arrived. what a marvelous journey. to walk with folks , through all the stages of life, through the challenges of the congregation . we have had our arguments with our denomination. we have done some significant witness. people that were vibrant , when i first arrived , are with us no longer. people that were kids , are married and have kids of their own. but ministry is ultimately a celebration and embrace of life and to be there for 30 plus years is to celebrate and

embrace life. >> i administrative assistant had been there for 12 years and blessed me and surprised me with the different baptisms i had in the different weddings and the different people who have joined and the memorial services. and she presented that to me and all the articles i had written. what has that been like for you? >> let's start with the memorial services. at our church there is the sanctuary building and our office building is a separate building. sometimes before a memorial service, i will be sitting in my office looking across at the sanctuary and saying, i'm not sure i can do this anymore. i'm not sure i can do one more. than the moment comes and you start reading the family and you start remembering the contributions the person made, the investment they made in your life. and it becomes more often than not a thanksgiving and a celebration . a home going. and it is something

that awaits all of us. it is not to be rude, it is not to be feared, but it is to be honored because to walk with the family on that journey is a sacred journey. >> that is one of the things that we do and we will talk more about some of the other things you do in the next segment but i wanted to start with your long stay to your ministry and to your church. >> no place else to go. >> welcome to 'mosaic', again. we are with jim hopkins. we talk about the nature of ministry in the next segment. please join us.

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and the chance to prove once again, that sometimes, this is more than a game. welcome back to 'mosaic'. you heard in the first segment from jim hopkins some of the things he does in ministry and the memorial services stood out because he had just come back

from one. is mentor of 32 years. but we want to talk about what we do as ministers in terms of our involvement in the community and society in the world. what is some of the things you see that is so important in ministry? >> it is important for a minister to address the basics very well. the preaching and the bible study and the pastoral care. and from that you sort of on the right to become involved in the community and to say a word to the broader community. >> that is a priority. take care of the basics. >> you have to take care of the basics. they are so important. someone comes through the door of your church on a sunday morning and you never know what they have gone through , that week or that day. there could be a loss, they could be facing a major medical appointment , a surgery or a job interview. something that is weighing on their mind. it is important

that somehow in your ministry you convey to them, god is with you. and good news awaits. >> amen. a good friend and partner usually with us, reverend dale witherspoon who is at easter hill could not be here this morning but he mentioned he had just finished vacation bible school. and i mentioned to you vacation bible school and you finished yours. tell us about that. >> the vacation bible camp, we call it. four years up through seventh grade and that is once they clear seventh and eighth grade they can become counselors. i very much enjoy the interaction with the kids. but for me the investment in the training from the leadership training for the teenagers as they become counselors and teachers and leaders themselves, that is very important . the next

generation. a minister always needs to think about the next generation. who comes after us, what is a legacy? who will share in the good news that we share? who will pick up some of the perspectives that we value? some of the teachings. to invest in leadership training, is really important. >> i have two more segments about ministry in the community. we do some of that also. tell us what ministers do and how much leeway do you have come in terms of church is giving you that, particularly your church. >> four or five numbers down on my job description is an expectation and hope i will be a minister to the community. that takes many forms for me. i say one of the things i am proudest of and most committed to is involvement through what is now faith in action east bay, formally ocl. i worked in oakland cease-fire program, of violence program involves the police and community identifying young men who are

vulnerable for most likely to participate in acts of violence and invest in their lives and say, young brothers there is another way. if the community has failed you, forgive us but please take a step to us and we will take a step to you. over the last years, the seven years that program has been going, it shows a significant decrease in the number of homicides and shootings in oakland. >> when i was there , there were so many the took place we were concerned about that. that was at least 10 years ago. >> there are far too many. the young men and their families, they really don't want to be caught up in the lifestyle , but a lot of times they see no way out. and to articulate to offer an alternative, saves a lot of lives at a lot of levels. >> you talk about some of the basics in ministry and you think that is important to cover. what leeway does a church have ? do they say at

some point we don't want you to be out there? >> the folks at lake shore generally say we want you to be out there and their concern is not so much that i am letting things , balls drop in the church, they say we don't want you to wear yourself out. we want you to have energy and we want you to be creative and take care of your family. we want you to be involved in life and a lot of healthy ways. we don't want you to burn out. if you burn out, if you are bitter , that does not help anybody. >> that is great. we have just a minute left . would use anything else that you think is important about ministry? >> to be a minister is to remember you represent someone or something much larger than yourself. god, the church, for me a baptist tradition , one of the greatest honors i have is for someone to introduce me. this is jim and he is my pastor. that is a profound

gift. to be a pastor is to care for someone, in the name of something else . something greater. always remember you are representing something much greater than yourself . >> a man. thank you for being with us. always appreciate you sharing. >> always glad to be here. >> i will call on you again. next time we might have dale. >> please. >> thank you, again. for being with jim hopkins, pastor at lakeshore baptist church. go and see him on sunday.

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welcome back to 'mosaic'. gratitude is the wine of the soul, let's go get drunk. that was said in the 12th century and i experienced in the gratitude i experienced in my celebration. and we are grateful we have a person with us to is involved in the community in so many facets. a founder of a group called unity but he has done so much work and his name is nick gardner. tell us about your work. >> i wear multiple hats. and of the many hats that i wear,

they are a lot involved in one particular category and that is the incarcerated community, pre-and post-release. when you look at that category you think about homeless. you are looking at veterans . you are looking at the elderly. and you are looking at the families of the incarcerated, as well. i work with all those different entities, within the line of what i do. i am executive director of an organization out of san quentin prison called no more tears response to violence. i cofounded that. i have been without organization for 17 years. i have my own 501(c)(3) which works with individuals that have trauma informed issues, restorative practices and principles . also mindfulness and workforce development, in which i have occluding business associated with that.

>> i saw that in your bio. >> i also am a consultant for other nonprofits, one in particular, east palo alto called, retraining the village. more than anything , i am also affiliated with taylor united methodist church in west oakland. and we have -- since my affiliation with the church we have expanded our ministry to a lot of different community outreach needs. and so, we just completed a six week day camp at the facility , earlier this year. we also went through the oakland teachers' strike and we hosted the strike and had it as they have at the taylor. all the press conferences that occurred during that period happened. we provided food, we provided a day care for the teachers while they were on the picket lines and everything. for their kids and everything. and then we also extended that to do an annual food giveaway and hot meal for homeless people, as well as clothing. >> my great friend and

colleague, reverend jenkins is doing a great job and you are working with him. i would say you guys are boots on the ground. >> yes . >> what inspired you to go in this direction? >> i had the opportunity years and years ago , i have been in this business for 30 years. when i got into the business, someone gave me an opportunity to turn my life around . and i felt that if someone gave me that opportunity, there was no one at the time going inside jails and prisons , offering different types of hope for people that were inside. i felt that was the place for me to go, to offer the same opportunity , that was so gracefully given to me, i was able to give for other people. >> i understand you have done work with van jones. tell us about that. >> there was an instance of an inmate that i have worked with

inside san quentin prison, who had been involved in an occurrence where he shot an officer in bakersfield. all this time he did it when he was a youth in a gang, and all this time every time you went to his parole hearing the family would come in the officer and the wife would say we don't want the this guy released, he tried to kill me. whatever the case may be. there is a process within the motto of restorative practice that is called, restorative dialogue circle. and what we did is provided that for for the victim and the offender to sit down and talk about what it is that was the problem, bring together a little bit of accountability and create some healing as a result of it. and believe me, of the eight episodes of redemption project that was broadcast, this was the most pivotal one. at the end of the broadcast, the wife

of the victim, who said she never wanted to have anything to do with the person, she came in and hugged him at the end. >> i heard about that. i someone of them because donna lacey, a previous guest, was in that project and talked about forgiving a person who nearly killed his daughter 20 years ago. >> there was not a dry eye in that building that day. that was so pivotal. >> i am glad you were involved in such a level. there are so many dynamics involved in that and we will talk a little more about that in our last segment. thank you for being here. >> absolutely. >> we have been talking to nick gardner, involved in the community on so many facets that makes ministry alive and real and vital to our society. please join us in our last segment.

welcome back to 'mosaic'. i hope you have been with us . with nick gardner and helping people who come out of prison for things they have done and they give you a second chance. tell us more about the project . >> a lot of times in the past, society has placed a stigma on the incarcerated community and the people incarcerated in general. when people came home, there was not any type of hope or opportunity for those folks. and my mission in life, and my ministry in life has been to allow people, when they come home the same rights as anyone else that is in the community. and to allow the community to be a support network for those individuals. so they are just not out there trying to

navigate through our society , which is chaotic enough. your child about someone who has been separated from that for so many years and you ask them to come out and be equitable to everything going on. >> i understand in florida they passed where they could vote. there was voter suppression . is that happening here? >> it is happening as long as you are not on a felony conviction. if you're on parolee, you can vote. you retain the right. >> that is important. >> that is huge. but we do in the county jail situation because the person has not been sentenced at that point, people from the voting entity will come in and they will help people to set up their vote and everything. it does happen

in the county jail because no one has been sentenced at that point. >> we have just a few minutes left . is there something needs to be said? about all that you do. >> yes. i want the community to see that this is an opportunity. i want the community to be engaged in working with this population. that this is not a population that has been cast aside. this is a population that is creative, that has some sense of desire to be a part of. we should not push ourselves away from them. we should be part of them. >> i am amazed with your background of being involved for some 30 years, your background of social work has led to a misdirection. what has inspired you most to do this work? >> what has inspired me most is that i felt that no one else was doing this. when i was doing this there was not a

whole bunch of organizations going inside and working with the incarcerated community. and i felt my niche in life was to be able to offer some sense of hope and direction to people before they came home. and once they came home, to be on the other side waiting for them, so that friendly face they saw on the inside, is that same friendly, supportive face they see on the outside. >> a man. thank you. all the work that you are doing. i was thinking about the preaching from jesus, when i am in prison, visit me. continue to do that. and pray for the work he is doing. i want to thank jim hopkins of lakeshore baptist for being with us. they are both doing such great work to lift people up. they inspire all of you who are listening and part of the audience to do the same. thank you for being with us. i am ron swisher.

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