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chinese ownership and the split between some allies of israel and the netanyahu government grow ns. how lawmakers 3406 with surprising speed to push a bipartisan bill to try and force the social media platform tiktok to change the way they do business. but with 170 million american tiktok users, what is not so surprising is the poll f -- politics playing back and forth since both parties see the app as a platform to woo young viewers. >> this is making tiktok better. tick tock toe. >> and we'll talk about are mike gallagher and kara swisher. and with the aid package

languishing, new criticism of the handling of the war in gaza makes it eep more uncertain. >> prime minister netanyahu has lost his away by allowing his political survival to take the precedence over the best interests of israel. we'll talk with senator chris van hollen pushing on tighter control for aid to israel and we'll talk to the head of unicef. and one year after his public split with the former president over january 6, we'll sit down with mike pence. he said he won't endorse trump but can he convince others to follow his lead. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation."

on this st. patrick's day. mike pence joins us in person in studio and good morning and happy st. patrick's day. >> good morning, good to be with you. >> there is a lot to get with you today. but i want begin with some remarks that trump made and he walked on a stage recorded by a choir of prisoners facing violence on january 6. >> you see the spirit from the hostages and that is what they are, hostages. they've been treated terribly. and very unfairly. and you know that. and everybody knows that. and we're going to be working on that sooner -- the first day we get into office, we're going to save our country and we're going to work with the people to treat those unbelievable patriots. >> and they are -- >> i know in the past you've said mr. trump's reckless

worwords endanger you and your family on that day. when do you feel when you hear him referring to them as hostages and patriots. >> there are american hostages being held in gaza, that the president or any other leaders would refer to people that are moving through are -- our justice spystem as hostages. and it is just unacceptable. i was there on january 6, i have no doubt in my mind that some people were caught up in the moment and enterined the capito and they are entitled for due process of law for any nonviolent activities that day but the assaults on police officers that claimed lives is something that -- i think was tragic that day and i'll never diminish it. >> and the legal system is processing these individuals through and giving them trials. i wonder what you think, though,

about mr. trump and whether the public needs to hear and see some of the evidence in regard to the federal charges related to his alleged role in january 6. do you think that needs to happen before election day? >> well, look, i think the american people lived through that moment. i and my family and my team lived through it at the capitol that day. i think what most americans know what happened. as i've said before, i truly do believe that -- that judgment about the president's conduct that day should have been left to the american people. i know it is been brought into a criminal trial now. and we have cases around the country that have been brought related to that. notably in georgia. but at the end of the day, i think the american people know what happened that day. and i said the people that -- the people that ransacked the capitol need to be held to the fullest account of the law. and i believe that they are.

but, the judgment about the president's efforts that day, i think could be left to the american people. but, look, i said last week that, after a lot of prayer and reflection, i've come to the conclusion that i wouldn't be endorsing donald trump this year. i mean, look, i'm very proud of the record of our administration, margaret. it was an administration that left america more prosperous and more secure and our liberties and the sanctity of life stronger than ever before in my lifetime. >> but you said mr. trump walked away from conservative principles. >> i do. i said it during my presidential campaigns. the president and i have profound differences and many people think it is just over january 6. and frankly, the fact that the president continues to insist that i had the right to overturn the election that day is a fundamental difference. but i want to be clear that i've forgiven the president in my

heart for what happened that day. as a christian i'm required to do that. i've prayed for him in that regard. but the issue of fealty to the constitution is not a small batter. but it is not just that. the reason that i can not in good conscience endorse donald trump this year also has to do with fact that he's walking away, not just from keeping faith with the constitution on that day, but also, margaret, with a commitment to fiscal responsibility, a commitment to the sanctity of life. the president's reversal in the last week on tiktok, following an administration where we literally changed the national consensus on china is the reason why, after a lot of reflection, i just concluded, i cannot endorse the agenda that donald trump is carrying into this national debate. >> is that the final record from you? can you be persuaded if you

changes tacts to vote for him? would you vote for him? >> i won't be endorsing donald trump this year. >> but would you vote for him? >> i respect the right of republican voters who have made it clear who their for. who they want to be our standard bearer this year. when i'm going to focus my energies on is -- is what remains this year on what we should be for. because i joined this party when i was in college. >> yeah. >> because i heard the voice and the values of another good irish man named ronald reagan who said that we need to have a strong national defense but also recognize we're leader of the free world and stand for traditional values and the sanctity of life and stand for the constitution and limited government and the bants of this year and in the years ahead, i'm going to continue to champion the values that are not just good for the republican party,

but they are the stronger policies for a stronger america. >> and i ask you about persuasion and voting because this is not mr. trump. he has taken party with him. he has taken the senate republican leadership and the house republican endorsements with with him, too, in terms of leadership. are all of those people walking away from the conservative pins pells. >> i can't say that they are. >> they are endorsele donald trump. >> this is a still a conservative party that i believe stands for less government and less taxes and american leadership in the world and the right to life. i think frankly the disaster of the biden administration has resulted in people going back to what is familiar. and i understand that. i work day in and day out for four and a half years to build the record of trump-pence

administration, i'm incredibly proud of it. but as i look at what donald trump is running on now, i simply cannot in good conscience endorse his candidacy this year. >> on the issues of the economy, which many republicans refer to as, you know, the trump-pence administration did well well in covid, trump is campaigning on that. last night he was talking about electric vehicles in particular and said, when it comes to chinese companies who manufacture in mexico, he's going to put in tariffs. but i want you to listen to exactly what he said. >> we're going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line. and you're not going to be able to sell those cars. if i get elected. now if i don't get elected, it is going to be a blood bath for the whole -- that is the least of it. it is going to be a blood bath for the country. that is the least of it. >> what does that mean and given how divided the country is, does

that language concern you? particularly when it comes to political violence. >> first, i want to commend margaret, for putting that into context. i woke up this morning seeing online all of the discussion about blood bath and you've just reflected the president was talking about the impact of imports devastating -- >> was that clear to you. because it was a little muddled. >> i think it was. look, the president and i was very clear, the president and i have different styles. we're different men. but my differences with him are not over style. it is not over language. and as i said before, it is not personal. i mean, for me, the reason why i won't endorse donald trump this year is because i see him departing from the mainstream conservative agenda that has defined the republican party over the last 40 years, and still has the best hope for the future of the country. >> and it sounds like you're trying to move the party back in that direction.

which is why i'm asking you if you're persuadable here. on the point to the commitment to the sanctity of human life, you said the president is walking away from it and the president is saying the president is trying to ban access to abortion. what would you like him to say? that he will endorse a 15-week restriction? like you did? >> well i'm pro life. i don't apologize for it. i couldn't be more proud to have played a role in the administration that appointed three of the justices that send roe v. wade to the ash heap of the history. >> but there is not a consensus on this issue. >> states around the country has been advancing the principles of life. i was very disappointed during a presidential campaign when donald trump denounced and said a pro life bill, a six-week bill enacted in florida, which has already been enacted in georgia,

he called it terrible. we're a pro life party. i would like to see our nominee endorse a minimum 15-week ban. but also i'd like to see a nominee that is affirming the sanctity of life as it is debated there states. >> and protection for ivf. >> this is a pro life party. >> and protections for ivf. >> absolutely. >> should embryos be considered children? >> i'm someone that believes in the sanctity of human life, that life begins an conception. my family, as you know, has benefited by fertility treatments and i think they should be protected. but i also believe that in the day as head, we would do well to ensure that -- that unborn human life including embryos are properly treated and respected in the law. >> well we will track that, mr. pence, thank you for coming in.

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empower. what's next. the push to get food and humanitarian aid into gaza is intensifying. but at this point, it is still far short of what is needed. the world food program said last week that famine was imminent, in the amount of aid going into northern gaza was not increased exponentially. our chris livesay reports from tel aviv. >> reporter: u.s. air force pilots glide above gaza and dropping 3 tons of food and water and other aid. life saving to those who could reach it. but according to one pilot. a drop in the bucket. meant to offset this leaky supply line. more than 200 trucks entering the strip daily israel said, but much of it lost to looters and the dangers of open combat and a lack of truckers brave enough to drive through it. >> they could not collect and

distribute. >> but aren't aid groups getting shot at. is it fair to put that burden on them. >> we acknowledge there are challenges but they are distributing for last two and a half weeks without any violence. >> reporter: additional aid is on the way by sea for first time in this war. nearly 200 tons from europe arrived on friday on a humanitarian ship. it couldn't come fast enough for these children. we want food, we want flour and the bearest essentials of life, they demand. gaza is slowly dying. if not from the missiles, then from hunger, said this mother. they accused them of killed 21 and israel denies it pointing instead at palestinian gunman. the humanitarian cost of the war in more than 100 hostages still in hamas captivity for five months are too much to tolerate for these israeli protesters. >> protesters don't only want

the hostages back, they went netanyahu to step down. october 7th happened on his watch and they have not forgotten. >> i think now we should get all of the people that will kidnapped back to their hopes. >> so even if that means retreating and pulling out of gaza entirely and handing over all of the prisoners back to -- >> i think they should do any deal to get them home. this is the first thing that a country always do for our citizens, is their security. and this is the reason why they should do any effort. >> reporter: and what is notable about this latest proposal from hamas is that reportedly they're no longer insisting israel completely withdraw from the gaza strip. or on a permanent cease-fire. and now margaret, three u.s. officials tell cbs news their optimistic that both hamas and israel could come to an agreement about a pause, albeit temporary in the fighting.

>> that is chris livesay reporting from tella chief. we're joined now by senator advice van hollen. a lot to get with you. but i do know that you met with some families of hostage members this past -- family members of hostages, excuse me, this past week. talks are about to resume. what did the hostage families tell you? >> well they came and talked about the terror every day. of not knowing what is happening to their family members and they were very clear. we need to focus on getting the hostages back. and a cease-fire. an this is why i'm for a cease-fire. and the return of the hostages. >> and that cease-fire would also allow for aid to move in. that is what the biden administration is championing. i want to go to some specific things that you're focusing on. there is some republicans that want to cut off support for the agency that supported 6 million

palestinian, lebanon, west bank and you said last week senators need to read the classified report prepared by the director of national intelligence about the netanyahu government claims about that agency. you seem to be implying that the links to terror groups are unfounded? >> oh, there is no doubt that the claim that prime minister netanyahu and others are making that somehow unra is a proxy for hamas. that is a flat out lie. if you look at the person who charge of operations on ground in gaza for unra, it is a army veteran. you could be sure he's not in cahoots with hamas. netanyahu was wanted to get rid of unra since 2017 and if you get rid of it today, it is the

primary distribution system for food and aid. so if you cut off funding for unra, it means for people will ta starve and gettet medical assistance they need so it is a huge mistake to cut them off. >> you could explain why you believe that the prime minister is trying to dismantle unra, which is the agency with 13,000 people distributing aid. no one else has that kind of infrastructure from gaza. >> that is exactly right. and there have been allegations made by the netanyahu government that up to 14 of the 13,000 people were involved in the horrific october 7th attacks. we should investigate it and hold all of these people accountable. but for goodness sakes, lets not hold 2 million innocent palestinian civilians who are dying of starvation, let's not hold them essentially accountable for the bad acts of

14 people. netanyahu has wanted to get rid of unra because he's seen them as a means to continue the hopes of the palestinian people for a homeland of their own. and he's been opposed to a two-state solution and this is been his primary objective, stopping a two-state solution. >> back in february, you pushed the biden administration to craft what ended up being a national security memorandum. that required countries would receive u.s. weapons, all countries, to certify they are in compliance with u.s. law and they're not blocking the delivery of humanitarian aid. israel has until march 24th to turn into a letter and they did so. are they in compliance? >> not as of today. this is a very important tool. that the biden administration's put forward, and any other country that receives u.s. military assistance.

>> will the president biden administration say they are not in compliance. >> i hope they will because president biden has repeatedly said that the netanyahu government is unnecessarily restricting desperately needed humanitarian assistance. the president has said it a number of times. he said no excuses. so it may be that the minister of defense in israel signed this. but i cannot imagine a scenario where secretary blinken could find that promise is credible and reliable when the day it was signed clearly the netanyahu government is not in compliance because we see that they're continuing to restrict humanitarian assistance. >> we'll watch to see if secretary blinken affirms it or denies it. but what is the consequence here? i know you've said you don't want to cut off all military support for israel. you're talking about offensive weapons? >> yes. this would not apply to the iron dome or any defensive systems. but it would say, no more bombs

for use in gaza until you come into compliance. so it is no the a total cutoff. the netanyahu government could open their reds crossing to help starving people in northern gaza and stop turning away maternity kits claiming that somehow they pose a dual use danger, they could be used for military purposes and turning away water purifying, because they send the whole truck back for four weeks so they need to allow more assistance in and deal with the confliction issue. people need to be able to deliver assistance without getting killed. >> well, and the u.s. ambassador david sadderfield who works for the biden administration has said that police have been hit while helping u.n. conveys be delivered. do you believe that the israeli government is deliberating stopping humanitarian aid because the israeli government denies that. >> i think we know in the cases of the six of the blue helmet

security escorts that they were targeted because israel claimed they were part of hamas. when they were sort of -- so we know in that case, that was a deliberate targeting. but you're right, there have been other cases where israel has, you know, used force and a convey for example in the north, past the inspection and then was hit by a naval missile. i do want to point out that also that ambassador saterfield has said that when it comes to u.n. humanitarian assistance like through unra, there is no evidence of diversion to hamas. he said this very clearly. >> and all of congress has received that information? >> i have tried to tell my colleagues who keep coming back from meeting with netanyahu government officials spreading this lie, this myth about diversion from unra. now there may be diverse from other places but not from

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