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♪ good morning. i'm jane pauley and this is "sunday morning." the recent death in prison of russian opposition leader alexei navalny under scores the very real danger of being detained in russia. ever since just re-elected russian leader vladimir putin launched his invasion into ukraine, speaking out against the war, even calling it a war, can quite literally be life-threatening. journalists are especially at risk. this morning, we look into the stories of two americans now detained in russian prisons, their futures and the very lives in limbo. seth doane will start us off, then lesley stahl marks evan

gershkovich's first year in captivity. >> reporter: do you worry about your mom going to russia? >> she was going to go for two weeks. >> reporter: alsu kurmasheva of radio free europe/radio liberty is among the reporters detained in russia. >> this sends a powerful message to all journalists that they are not welcome. >> reporter: is there a chilling effect? >> yes, because there is a concern that journalists may be arrested. >> reporter: a reporter, evan gershkovich, is also a prisoner and pawn for putin. >> here we are. doing the one-year anniversary. it's grotesque. >> it is. it's completely outrageous, and this represents a very clear and present danger, and it's something that we need to speak out against. >> reporter: detained in russia coming up on "sunday morning." from his early days writing jokes for the smothers brothers to stand-up comedy, movies and now a hit series, steve martin

is nothing less than a legend. this morning he is looking back with our tracy smith. >> have i started yet? let's go. >> reporter: could you at least pat yourself on the back a little bit and say, look at what i have done? >> sometimes i do look around and go, how did this happen? my most self-congratulatory moment, it all came out of my head. >> here's something you don't often see. >> reporter: here is something else you don't often see. steve martin telling it all for a new documentary ahead on "sunday morning." he became famous for all of the wrong reasons, but you could say things are looking up. nancy giles shares the story of the central park birder. >> reporter: it's been more than three years since christian cooper made national news. >> tonight a white woman who wrongfully called the police -- >> reporter: as the black bird

watcher who recorded this video, when a white woman refused his request to put her dog on a leash. >> there is an african american man threatening my life. >> reporter: we have an update. >> what's that? >> that's a blue jay. >> reporter: he is still passionate about birds. >> we will go birding in central park with christian cooper later on "sunday morning." also this morning, we'll hear a very personal history from author doris kearns goodwin. she tells robert costa all about her late husband, respected white house speech writer richard goodwin. martha teichner talks with author percival everett about his take u take on tale of huckleberry finn told through the eyes of huck's enslaved friend jim? kelefa sanneh talks politics with journalist fareed zakaria. with word of princess kate's cancer diagnosis, holly williams looks at the stressful times for britain's royal family.

plus, the latest on friday night's lethal terror attack in moscow and more. this is a "sunday morning" for the 24th of march, 2024. and we'll be back after this. ♪

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growing number of american journalists who ran afoul of vladimir putin are going through right now. coming up, lesley stahl speaks with the sister of detained "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich. but to begin, seth doane has the story of another family's heartbreaking ordeal. >> my mom is definitely my biggest inspiration and i just miss her like more than i can possibly say. and i worry about her safety so much. >> reporter: 15-year-old bibi butorin has not been here at home with her mom in prague since last spring. and a recent family trip to america seems like a distant memory. these are the latest images she has seen of her mother, alsu kurmasheva, an american russian journalist who is now detained in russia. do you worry your mom going to russia? >> i think we all understood it was a risk, but she was only

going to go for two weeks, and it was for my sick grandmother. >> reporter: kurmasheva was about to return in june from that personal trip when russian authorities confiscate skated her passports. she was permitted to stay with her mom until october. mass police officers came knocking on the door. >> they took her away. >> reporter: it's turned pavel butorin into a single dad of sorts. their girls both have u.s. citizenship like their mom. >> she is in jin russia because she is an american citizen and because she is a journalist. >> seems like the russian government is building more cases against her. >> reporter: kurmasheva's pretrial detention was extended to april 5th. she is facing charges of failure to self-register as a foreign agent and disseminating false information about the russian army, which could mean prison sentences of up to five and ten years respectively.

>> this is the book that alsu is listed as an editor on. you think this was the problem? >> i know that this book is a problem. it's featured in her case file. >> reporter: this book is filled with stories of kind of everyday people who oppose russia's invasion of ukraine? >> there is nothing incendiary, nothing criminal about these stories. there is no cause for violence in the book. it's just opinions. not even alsu's opinions, but as a journalist, she certainly has the right to collect and publish any opinions. >> reporter: they are both journalists with the prague-based radio free europe/radio liberty, or rferl. it's funded by u.s. taxpayers but is editorially independent and reports news in 27 languages and 23 countries, including iran and afghanistan. >> when freedom of expression is being shut down in one place

after another after another, when the lights are turned out in one place, we turn them back on. >> reporter: steve capus is president. >> our place is committed to the fundamental practice of accurate journalism where it might not otherwise be practiced these days. >> reporter: does that put your people in particular risk? >> it does. >> reporter: capas, who worked at cbs and nbc, keeps fotis of kurmasheva and three other journalists currently detained. one in russian-controlled crimea and two in belarus. next to pictures of reporters who have died while on duty. >> it has a way of kind of grabbing you and making you pay attention and realize there is an awful lot at stake here now and never forget that they need to come home. >> reporter: they are in regular contact with "the wall street journal." its reporter, 32-year-old

american evan gershkovich, is also detained in russia, arrested on espionage charges. >> many americans have not heard of alsu. why is alsu's name not as familiar to americans? >> it should be. president biden brought her up by name at the end of december. all of us are working our contacts to get adds much attention for her case as we can. >> reporter: are you following a alsu's case? >> we are following her case. it's extremely worrying. >> reporter: jodie ginsberg runs the committee to protect journalists in new york. are these types of charges new? >> since the moscow invasion of ukraine in 2022, we see them much more frequently. new laws are brought in that make it extremely difficult to report on the war, even calling it a war can bring you a jail sentence. >> reporter: globally, they figure there are 320 journalists jailed for their work.

most are imprisoned for reporting their own countries. nearly half in these five nations. >> and that's, i think, a reflection of the democratic decline we have seen over a number of years. >> reporter: of the foreign journalists detained worldwide, 12 of the 17 are jailed in russia. ginsburg calls it state-sponsored hostage-taking. >> there is a twofold effect when you arrest a journalist, particularly a journalist with foreign citizenship, as we see in alsu and evan's case. you have a political prisoner, so you have someone with which to negotiate with the u.s., but this kind of action sends a powerful message to all journalists that they are not welcome. >> reporter: the u.s. classifies gershkovich as wrongfully detained, but has not yet given that status to kurmasheva. the state department told us it's deeply concerned about kurmasheva's detention and continues to seek access to her.

noting it reviews circumstances surrounding the detentions of u.s. nationals overseas. >> what happens when you designate an individual, a u.s. citizen wrongfully detained, you bring more resources from the government on their case, and now we really need to make her case as well known as ever, and it's really really important that them and all the journalists wrongfully detained are freed. >> reporter: efforts to raise kurmasheva's profile are underway. from a billboard in times square -- >> we want her to be released immediately. >> reporter: to a much smaller scale. a group of friends gathering at a prague restaurant. todd benson is from seattle. >> how do you think pavel and the girls are doing? >> they show a great face, but i think deep down they are hurting. >> reporter: and that hurt surfaced while pavel was reading a note his wife sent from jail.

>> celebrate freedom and love. alsu. >> reporter: declaring her wrongfully detained is up to the u.s. government, and ultimately alsu kurmasheva's fate is to be decided by the russians. >> sorry. >> reporter: so, for now he tries to control what he can. >> i need to keep it together. i don't want emotion to get involved. but i think anyone would understand being emotional. >> maybe that's what they want. maybe they want us to break down and surrender and give up. i am not going to give up. we will not rest until we see alsu here with her family at home. for people who feel limited by the unpredictability of generalized myasthenia gravis and who are anti-achr antibody positive, season to season, ultomiris is continuous symptom control,

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ca caught up with. >> reporter: new york's central park is an osasis of green. drawing millions of visitors from around the world, including more than 280 species of birds. many of which make this a regular stop on their annual migrations. >> they are passing through new york city and see the concrete and like, where am i going to go? they see this and they are like -- >> reporter: they hit right there. >> right here. >> reporter: for christian cooper, the woods in central park's ramble have always been a sanctuary. and the birds who make their way here, his obsession and delight. what's that? >> that's a blue jay. i like to think of it as sort of the rihanna bird because if you heard rihanna sing shut up and drive, no, no, no. >> reporter: it's been more than three years since christian cooper made national news. >> tonight a white woman who wrongfully called the police on

black man in new york city's central park -- >> reporter: as the black man who recorded this video when a white woman refused his request to comply with park rules and put her dog on a leash. >> please don't come close to me. >> sir, i'm asking you to stop recording me. >> pldon't come close to me. >> reporter: you had your phone? >> i was like, all right, i am going to record your scofflaw behavior of your dog off the leash. i had no idea she was going to take it to a racial place. >> there is an african american man threatening my life. >> tell them whatever you like. >> i was like, okay, i can stop recording like me wants me to and hope that makes this go away, you know, capitulate to that racial intimidation, or do what i do until that dog is on the leash. >> he is recording me, threatened myself and my dog. >> reporter: by the time the police arrived, the woman and christian cooper had left. >> initially, my reaction was i want to crawl under a rock and

hide. >> reporter: but george floyd's brutal murder in minneapolis would take place hours later. >> i realized that was not the proper response. >> reporter: christian cooper's video, posted by his sister melody, went viral. >> i'm being threatened by man. please send the cops immediately! >> for better or worse, it highlighted the undercurrent of racial bias. that still exists deeply in our society, and that's what we need to focus on. that bias. same kind of racial bias made a white police officer in minneapolis think that it was okay to kneel on a black man's neck until he was dead. made the other cops around him think it was okay to stand by and do nothing. and george floyd couldn't talk about it. breonna taylor couldn't talk about it. ahmaud arbery couldn't talk about it. but i could. >> i'm christian cooper and i am a bird. >> reporter: these days, christian cooper's focus is back on his beloved birds. he hosts the national geographic

series traveling far and wide to explore the wonders of birds. >> along the way, i'll show you what i adore about these crazy smart, dazzling and super powered feathered creatures. >> reporter: and he has writte a memoir about growing up on long island and the existential loneliness of being a closeted gay teenager. >> that was a hard thing, growing up knowing that in the 1970s -- >> reporter: i remember the kind of things kids would say to other kids. >> what can be conservative long island. it was a hard place to be. >> reporter: how did you cope? >> a lot of escapism. part of getting out into nature, incredibly healing. >> reporter: science fiction helped his imagination take flight. >> oh, my god. "star wars" came out at just the right time. >> reporter: may i ask, how many times did you see "star wars"? >> i have seen "star wars" in the theaters 41 times. then when the first sequel came

out, "empire strikes back," i had seen it four times by the second night:so, yes, i was a little bit of an addict. >> reporter: what was that other-worldliness attraction about? >> it opens up new possibilities that you can imagine. and that can be important. if you can imagine something different then maybe someday we can get there. >> captain -- >> reporter: he credits the tv show "star trek" particularly mr. spock with helping him keep his cool during the confrontation in central park. >> a vulcan's mental discipline is to suppress emotion and act only rationally. >> reporter: right. >> and logically. >> reporter: when she said i am going to tell the police an african american man is assaulting me, you were able to just go, om? basically? >> yes. >> reporter: spock also helped him survive his childhood. >> here i was a nerdy brainy kid and here is a character on this tv show who is, you know, one of the heroes of the show, and he is all about the intellect, all

about the brains. so that was really appealng to me, to the point that i spent hours as a child in front of the mirror going like this, trying to learn to be able to raise one eyebrow without the other. guess what? i mastered it. >> reporter: you got it. do it again. [ laughter ] >> you keep your eyes on the bird and bring the binoculars to your eyes and then, boom. >> reporter: the incidet in central park has not dampened his enthusiasm for this place or for his avian friends. >> it's a window into the world that people don't always have.

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it happened on friday. two headline-making events. >> it has been an incredibly tough -- >> first the stunning announcement from kate, princess of wales, that she has cancer. kate's revelation comes after months of speculation about the condition of the wife of prince william, heir to british throne. and from russia, news of a horrific terror attack on a suburban moscow concert hall. in a moment, holly williams. to begin, debora patta. >> authorities continue to deal with the aftermath of friday's terrorist attack at the crocus city hall on the outskirts of moscow. when armed men in combat fatigues burst into the concert venue, opened fire and then set the place ablaze.

videos posted on social media show people screaming and ducking for cover as the gunmen fired round after round of automatic gunfire. the shots were constant, said eyewitness david primov, people started running, trampling over each other. another video shows assailants moving with deadly intent through the complex, often firing at point blank range. the extent of the horror quickly made clear by a seemingly never-ending line of body bags. the death toll now over 130. in a televised address, russian president vladimir putin says 11 people have already been arrested in connection with the brazen attack, including four gun gunmen. >> warned russia about a possible attack for which isis claims responsibility, but putin has pointed a finger at ukraine, saying a window for the

assailants to cross the russian border had been prepared on the ukrainian side, a charge ukraine flatly denies. this is holly williams. the princess of wales did not say what type of cancer she is being treated for. >> the surgery was successful. however, tests after the operation found cancer been present. >> reporter: she shared she is in the early stages of a course of preventative chemotherapy. >> i am well. i am getting stronger every day by focusing on the things that will help me heal. >> reporter: her last official appearance was on christmas day after the palace announced she had had abdominal surgery in january and wouldn't reappear until after easter, but didn't share a diagnosis. >> what exactly are they trying to hide? >> reporter: rumors and conspiracy theories swirled online. they dwand speed after the release earlier this month of this manipulated photo. >> i think that many people know

what is happening to the princess will be thinking again about some of the things that they said, some of the jokes that they made. >> reporter: julian payne is a former spokesman for the king and queen and an expert in crisis public relations. do you fear that kate was essentially hounded into making this public statement, into sharing details about her own health by the weeks of speculation and rumors? >> i think the palace has recognized that in order to draw a line under that wild speculation, they had needed to say something. >> reporter: it felt like they learned a lesson here? >> i think that they have, unfortunately, been at the front line of a changing world where people just expect transparency in everything. >> reporter: kate is a 42-year-old woman with a cancer diagnosis and three young children she wants to protect. >> we hope that you'll understand that as a family we now need some time, space, and

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doris kearns goodwin is one of our best known and bestselling presidential historians. now she is out with a new book, but this time it's a love story and it's personal. as our robert costa explains. >> welcome the great doris kearns goodwin, everybody. >> doris kearns goodwin, come out here. >> reporter: doris kearns goodwin is rare presence on our national stage. an historian with academic cred and pop culture cachet.

>> the teacher is doris kearns goodwin. >> today we explore lincoln's 1861. >> reporter: her work of course is serious, but she shares it with joy. and sometimes a laugh. >> it's fun when a younger person comes up and says, my kids saw you, my grandchildren thought this was exciting. maybe you are something after all. >> reporter: goodwin, now 81, is renowned for telling the story of america, often through the prism of the presidency. her latest book about her late husband does that, too. and it's deeply personal. "an unfinished love story" is about richard goodwin's adventures in the turbulent 1960ss, writing speeches for titans like jfk, lbj and rfk and it's about richard and doris. >> he was an extraordinary character who traversed almost

every important moment in the 1960s. >> reporter: some of the most iconic lines from the '60s came from richard goodwin's typewriter. the great society, ripples of hope, we shall overcome. >> he loved poetry, drama. using the anthem of the civil rights movement in the middle of the great speech after the selma demonstrations. it was a moment that almost a moment of genius that came to him. >> and we shall overcome. [ applause ] >> reporter: before becoming a fixture the side of presidents, goodwin had a fast rise. harvard law, supreme court clerk, and then congressional investigator of the rigged tv quiz shows of the 1950s. >> i'm dick goodwin, an investigator with the subcommittee. >> reporter: robert dford's 1994 women "quiz show" dramatized his real life crusade to prove the fix was in.

>> you tell me everybody got the answers but you? >> you are so persistent. >> reporter: president kennedy brought goodwin into his inner circle. >> the genius of -- >> reporter: after kennedy's death, so did lbj, who looked to goodwin for some rhetorical magic, as the lbj tapes reveal. >> ask him he can't put some next in it, put only rhyme in it and some beautiful churchillian phrases. >> i need more sex and rhythm and churchillian phrases in my speeches. they were so revealing, especially when he talks about my husband that way. >> reporter: you write about how johnson could be so flat and dry in his public remarks, but in private -- >> if people had known the way he talks on the tapes, if they had listened to him tell stories, they were brilliant. private lyndon johnson is the most formidable interesting character i have met in my life. >> reporter: doris kearns goodwin first met johnson in

1967 when the towering texan asked the young white house fellow for a dance. >> i couldn't believe when i read this. you met him at a dance? >> yeah. he twirled me around the floor and whispered to me that he wanted me to be assigned directly to him in the white house. >> reporter: johnson's advisors were initially on edge about her anti-war views, but she quickly became someone he trusted, talking to her for hours during the bittersweet twilight of his life. >> he could be mean at times. but underneath there was this force that wanted to make the country a better place. and the war in vietnam cut much of that in two. without that, there is no question he would have been one of the great presidents, but even now he is one of those great presidents. >> reporter: doris and richard goodwin met at harvard after lbj left office and were married in 1975. they lived here in leafy concord, massachusetts, raising a family and working until

richard's death in 2018. and the couple's book collection now lines the shelves of the local library. >> never would i have an office so elegant as the great room here. >> reporter: these days, kbood stays busy with history, but also keeps a close eye on politics. what's at stake in this upcoming election? >> it's not an exaggeration to say democracy is at stake. i think about lincoln when he said that early on, that the central point of the fight of the civil war was really whether democracy would exist because, if you could decide as a southern set of states did, that they lost an election, so they are going to secede from the union, then democracy is an absurdity. that's the hallmark of our system, is that you lose an election, you accept it with grace. >> reporter: what do you say to americans who look at what is happening with had election. they just want to tune out, not pay attention?

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editor-in-chief. >> i remember the iran hostage situation and the families were told, don't talk about it. let's keep this quiet. let the government do its work. no publicity. >> well, my instinct was to draw attention to this because it was so clearly outrageous. he was accredited, he was doing his job. he had done nothing wrong. my sense of justice was offended by what happened. >> reporter: last march 29th, evan was on assignment in russia when he was arrested by security forces and accused of being a spy. a charge vigorously denied by gershkovich, "the wall street journal," and the u.s. government. >> we condemn the detention of mr. gershkovich in the strongest, in the strongest terms. >> reporter: he is the first reporter to be taken into custody this way since the cold war. why him, do you think? >> it's very hard to know. is it because he works for "the wall street journal"? which is a recognizable famous

american title. is it because he is of russian heritage? i wish i knew. >> reporter: what is known is that gershkovich is being held in a stalin era prison in moscow. his pretrial detention has been extended several times. court appearances have been few, but jarring. >> when you saw him in that glass cage, what went through you? >> it was horrible. there is something so dehumanizing about those glass cages. i was surprised at the shock i felt at seeing it. goodness only knows what his parents felt when they saw it. so, yes, it was a shock. at the same time, he was standing tall. he looked defiant. he smiled. so, mixed emotions. >> reporter: there is a picture of the whole family here? >> yes. >> reporter: oh, there is your dad. >> yep. my brother is now taller than all of us. >> reporter: i'll say.

in her apartment, where her younger brother would crash on the couch, danielle gershkovich said his calling was never in question. was he born to be a journalist? >> yes. i think he was born to be a journalist. i think he had always been seeking life of adventure and his travel, his writing, working at "the wall street journal" as a russia correspondent was his absolute dream job. >> reporter: children of soviet immigrants who spoke russian at home, danielle and evan have always been close. hearing he was in custody was shattering. >> i got a call from my mom, and it's just my stomach fell out, you know. your heart stops. it's so hard to believe something like that is actually real. i remember my mom and i discussing the morning after, is that really evan? that photo that came out? we didn't want to admit for moment that was him. >> reporter: did you think it was a possibility, i mean, russia a year ago had already

become dangerous. other news organizations were pulling reporters out. i would say my family was nervous. he would remind us he is an accredited journalist. >> reporter: and, therefore, thought he was safe? >> yeah, it's very unprecedented. >> reporter: of course, what was unprecedented has become almost routine under vladimir putin. gershkovich is the latest american pawn on putin's geopolitical chess board against the west. marine veteran paul whelan has been jailed in russia for five years. russian-american ballerina ksenia karelina was arrested in january, accused of treason for helping ukraine. and basketball star brittney griner imprisoned for nine months on drug charges was finally freed in an exchange for a notorious armed dealer known as the merchant of death. do you fear for your life?

>> would it help? >> reporter: former world chess champion gary kasparov, who fled russia in 2013, is one of putin's most fervent critics. you have just made some news. the russians just added you to their list of terrorists and extremists. i thought you were already there, frankly. >> it's like a badge of honor. >> reporter: putin gets stronger and stronger, it seems. rather than the other way, which you predicted once, that he would be on the down. >> putin's strengths is very much a result of our weakness. any sign of indecisiveness, hesitation, fuels putin wpower. i can do this, nothing will happen. >> reporter: is there any possibility he will be acquitted? >> no. >> reporter: none? >> no putin treats gershkovich as money or weapons. it's one of the tools of him staying in power. he will be negotiating. >> reporter: putin himself has made that clear. he said he was open to a

prisoner swap involving gershkovich and paul whelan and a deal for opposition leader alexei navalny right before he died in a russian prison last month. >> what i can tell you is that the united states has been negotiating with the russians. >> reporter: roger carstens is the u.s. special envoy for hostage affairs. didn't deny that a swap was in the works and fell apart when navalny died? >> we had a strong offer the end of last year. the russians rejected it. i was rather disappointed. might not have been a huge surprise. our goal now is to keep working with partners, allies, find that combination that's going to allow us to solve it. >> reporter: how many americans are being held hostage in the world? >> the numbers at one point were over 50. they are now down between 20 and 30. we hesitate to give out an exact number for various reasons. in the last three years, the biden and harris administration

brought back 46 americans wrongfully detained or held hostage. >> reporter: so you have been successful in 46 cases in these bargaining situations? >> correct. i can tell you, it's a team effort. it's members of the u.s. government, members on capitol hill, non-profits, ngos, allies, partners, and even members of the media that all team to work together to bring those people home. evan never worked for the u.s. government. he is not a spy. he is a journalist. and journalism should not be a crime. >> reporter: gershkovich spends 23 hours a day in his cell. "wall street journal" editor-in-chief emma tucker says he is allowed to send and receive letters as long as they are in russian. what do you hear about his spirits? >> he is a resilient character. he is an extra row vert, a people person. >> reporter: and his health? >> i think it's okay. his mum looks very closely whenever there are shots of him. i think there are limits to how much exercise he can do. i could only imagine what the food is like.

but he is meditating. he is practicing and getting ever better at russian. he has been reading in russian. >> reporter: and he even managed to deliver something very special to his sister, danielle. >> my brother arranged that they be delivered for me for international women's day, march 8th. >> reporter: from prison? >> yes. it was really nice. >> reporter: wow. >> yeah. did a great job. >> caller: he did a beautiful job. oh, my goodness. that is special. >> yeah. he is always thinking about us, finding ways to make us smile. >> reporter: from the minute i walked in here, your eyes keep watering. it's hard for you to talk about? or maybe it helps you? >> it's that maybe it's that bittersweet moment where i'm looking at sort of i wish i didn't have to do this, but talking about my brother is always, it makes me smile. i miss him so much.

the adventures of huckleberry finn is often called author mark twain's masterpiece. but its depictions of race have long been controversial. martha teichner sat down with author percival everett, who put a provocative new spin on this american classic. we do mean provocative. if you are offended by strong language, you have been warned. >> this is my favorite author photo. and that standing on my shoulder is jim. jim crow. >> reporter: who, besides percival everett, would have a pet crow named jim crow? >> he was on my shoulder when i wrote the novel "erasure." if he wasn't paying enough attention, he would march at my arm and peck at the keys. i credit him for having written some of the novel. >> reporter: consider the irony. one of everett's favorite literary devices that jim crow helped him write a book about

race. a novel within a novel, satirizing publishing industry complicity and perpetuating stereotypes of black america. "erasure" has been turned into the oscar-winning film "american fiction," starring jeffrey wright. >> that's brlack, right? >> want to rub their noises in it. >> reporter: another irony, the film he had nothing to do with but likes has given percival everett more visibility than the 30-plus books he has written, or the fact that he has been short-listed for the booker prize, and a finalist for a pulitzer. everett's books are often perversely funny. imagine a funny novel about lynching, written in the form of a police procedural. funny, until it isn't. >> humor is interesting because

if i can disarm a reader with humor, i can address serious stuff. >> reporter: everett's latest novel, "james," just out, is a retelling of huckleberry finn from huck's enslafrd friend jim's point of view. in it, language is a running joke. but also dangerous. when you read it on the page, the enslaved people, jim in particular, speak in what we would commonly call standad english and they slip into dialect when they're around white people. >> yes. papa, why do we have to learn this? white folks expect us to sound a certain way. it can only help if we don't disappoint them, i said. the only ones who suffer when they are made to feel inferior is us. >> reporter: in "james," a man is lynched for stealing a pencil. so jim can write his story.

>> in language, and in ownership of language, there resides a great power and resides an avenue to any kind of freedom we are going to have. >> reporter: you use the "n" word in your books and a lot of other words that are considered not politically correct. >> because i'm telling the truth. you know, if somebody came in here right now and said, hey, you "n" word, am i going be less offended if they use the word [ bleep ]? no. that focus on the word misses the point. i don't care about the word. i care about the intention. i care about the meaning. i am amnot impressed with attems to cover up anything. >> reporter: percival everett, the son of a dentist, grew up in columbia, south carolina. he is from a long line of physicians.

>> the only thing i knew growing up is i didn't want to be a doctor. >> reporter: why is that? >> they had to be around people all the time. >> harry is back here. this is banjo. >> reporter: he discovered he does like being around animals. do you find it easier to relate to animals than you do people? >> i never had an animal lie to me. >> reporter: ah. on the way to becoming a prolific writer and a distinguished professor of writing at the university of southern california, everett trained horses and even mules. he is intensely private, protective of his home and family. and only shows up for book events when he has to. >> i like small streams. so, i fish with very small flies. >> reporter: he'd rather be fly-fishing. did somebody make that? >> i made that. >> reporter: and ties his own flies. >> the red and the white here.

it frees me to think while i'm thinking. >> reporter: and he paints. >> the title of this show is "redaction". >> reporter: redaction? >> yeah. >> reporter: like erasure? >> yes, it is. >> reporter: the osolo show, hi fourth, opens in los angeles next month. his vocabulary here as abstract as his writing, is explicit. >> working the stories is internal and sedentary. i love the physicality of making the paintings. i don't i don't consider them differently. i explain to myself my place in the world. >> reporter: and where does race figure into percival everett's world view given that his book confront it? >> do i think about race? no. but it's there. sadness, sure. why not? let's have it be sadness. reality? yeah. do i really care?

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♪ ♪ >> reporter: he played for us at his apartment last month, and to everyone there he sounded amazing. >> you got it. >> reporter: but to him, it wasn't quite good enough. in some ways, it sums up how steve martin has lived his whole life. >> well, ex clues me! >> reporter: and now you can see for yourself. a new apple tv project, "steve! (martin) a documentary in 2 pieces." >> you better pull yourself together. >> reporter: traces his path from anxious kid to the superstar we've come to snow. >> i have figured out one thing that would totally put an end to show business. if the human race instead of having two arms, just had one arm right in the center of our body. now, the reason that would put an end to show business, how would people clap? >> reporter: near the beginning of the first film, you say, i

guarantee i had no talent? >> yes. >> reporter: none? >> i stand by that. meaning i coming sing, dance or act. >> to good evening. i'm steve martin. >> steve martin. >> i am a wild and crazy guy! >> reporter: so what do you think if you had no talent? what did you have? >> a love of show business. >> what a night. i will interview you as we're driving. >> it's called viking, sure. >> reporter: martin tells his story with the help of filmmaker morgan neville, the director of the 2008 fred rogers doc won't you be my neighbor. >> you heard through the grapevine that steve maybe would be interested? >> i heard that somebody in an elevator asked steve if he was interested in doing a documentary. >> reporter: are you serious? >> that is true of he said, maybe. that was the crack in the door. >> reporter: it's more than just a crack. neville got all of martin's early performances, his detailed diaries, and a good chunk of his time. you have been a fan since you

were 12 years old? >> yeah, even younger. when i was 12, i convinced my dad to drive me to las vegas to see steve do stand-up at the riviera. so, actually saw him do stand-up. i went to the early show and the late show that same night. >> wow. >> i was at both of those shows, too. >> reporter: and you also said this is one of the things that maybe you discovered more about with steve? you are so modest. >> i think you have to be. mike nichols told me once, when i'm in new york, i'm mike nichols. when i go to l.a., i'm thinking how am i doing? >> reporter: seems steve took that to heart. by the late '70s, steve martin was wildly successful beyond even his dreams. >> we are two wild and crazy guys! >> reporter: a fixture on "saturday night live." ♪ >> reporter: his comedy tours with sell out coast to coast.

his stand-up record, let's get small, was the first comedy album to go platinum. and then he left the stage. >> not to give anything away, but the end of the first film is your walking away from stand-up. >> right. >> reporter: why did you walk away? >> i a was exhausted by it. and i thought, wow. when i do stand-up, i have to go there. if i do a movie, i stay home and the movie goes tere. and also, it had a sense of permanence, like you could get the thing exactly right. >> i don't really know karate. >> i didn't think so. >> oh! >> reporter: so steve martin went from stand-up king to movie star. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: but he still had moments of self-doubt.

>> calm down now, sir. >> i tell you why we don't calm down. because you're not excited. it takes two people for a we to calm down, doesn't it? >> reporter: there is this one moment in there where this journalist says to you, hey, steve, steve, one question, one question. why weren't you funny anymore? >> yeah. >> reporter: oh. >> it was a bad moment. i was thinking that myself. >> reporter: were you really? >> sure. >> reporter: why? what was that moment? >> well, you go through highs and lows in your career. so, at any moment you could be thinking everything is working, everything is feeling greet. a year later, hmm. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: but there have been plenty of highs. >> we, obviously, have mutual control over our body. >> our body? it's my body. i am not sharing my body with anyone. >> reporter: martin's made more than 40 films, some of which are now considered comedy classic. >> intimidated.

they have only seen us on the big screen. >> sometimes i ahave a look around and go, how did this happen? why did this come? my most self-congratulatory moment, i go, it all came out of my head. >> reporter: at 78, he is on a hit tv show, back doing stand-up with martin short, and he has, by his own admission, mellowed with age. >> one of the things you talk about a lot in the second film is that you have changed and your friends talk about it, too. >> mm-hmm. >> reporter: and i think at one point you say, i wasn't mean. i was just removed? >> yeah, i would say -- >> reporter: what do you mean? >> i remember tommy smothers said once, because i was writing on the show, talking to steve martin is like talking to nobody. but, no, i have changed. i don't know how to quantify it. i am just nicer, friendlier. i have this theory that, as you

age, you either become your worst self-or your best self. and i feel like i have become my better self and i can see other people becoming their worst self. they became more hostile. they become more difficult. and it's pretty clear, the line for me. >> i was after that quality that is indefinable or is -- i don't know why it was funny. but it was. >> reporter: yeah, he says he has no talent, but with his life, steve martin's created a masterpiece. what did you learn about steve through this process? >> nothing. [ laughter ] >> reporter: nothing? why do it? what was the point of doing it? >> it's part of being in show business. you know? >> reporter: there is something more, because you don't fall for these trappings of show business. you didn't have to do this. >> no. it's a fantastic outcome. to have a documentary done about you. >> reporter: is this kind of

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>> the weirdness of the trump presidency and candidacy and such being such an assault on traditional american, i would argue, moorism and norms, and the constant lying, you feel as though you are not taking a side when you say that the guy is lying, but it sounds like you are taking a side. he attacks you. >> reporter: now you are in the ring. >> yes. >> reporter: is that uncomfortable? i get the sense you didn't get into this in order to become a partisan figure. >> i don't pretend i don't have views. it's my analysis rooted in fact and history. >> reporter: do you consider yourself a liberal? >> most issues these days i am left of center. when i was in college i was a reaganite. i was right of center. it's very simple. grate the cucumber. put yogurt in and you then add a little cumin, garlic. lemon juice. >> reporter: is this something you would have grown up eating in india?

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my judgment because as somebody who grew up muslim, i was worried that i was not going to seem sufficiently, you know, tough on muslim dysfunction. so there was a part of me that i think wanted to show my patriotic credential. >> reporter: in 2015, he called the iraq war, quote, a failure and a terrible mistake. >> i think the u.s. lost enormous credibility. it was, turned out to be a massive waste of american resources, american lives. >> reporter: zakaria seemed to be everywhere, a widely read print columnist and a tv host, first on pbs and then starting in 2008 on cnn. >> welcome to the very first edition of "global public square." >> reporter: but in 2012, he was accused of plagiarism. you were briefly suspended by "time" and cnn? what did you learn? >> i had setbacks and initially, you know, you get defensive and

you say to yourself, wait a minute. then you have to step back and say to yourself, was this at the level of quality i would be comfortable with? and the answer is no. and so i just said to myself, okay, i am going to be three times more careful. >> reporter: in his new book age of revolution, he writes about how society's embraced change and resisted, too. you have the information revolution. >> it connects everybody and then you have at the same time the last 30 or 40 years a identity revolution. all of a sudden, whether it's your sexual orientation, whether it's your national origin, the color of your skin, you are saying, you know, i want to be able to be me. and of course what has happened pis, left a lot of people deepl anxious, feeling like the world is going away. and now we are living through backlash. >> reporter: right. >> it's sort of how well you can navigate that backlash is what determines whether you will succeed or fail in the end. >> reporter: he says the speed

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