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gaza. is the move signaling a new phase of the conflict? we've got the latest. the outrage following the killing of seven world central kitchen humanitarian aid workers by the israeli military in gaza has led president biden to change course in his dealing with prime minister netanyahu. but will it be enough to change the course of israel's war? we'll also look at the enormous toll of this war on aid workers and children in the israel-hamas war with avril benoit of doctors without borders and save the children president janti soeripto. as negotiations are set to start in cairo we'll talk with rachel goldberg, her son was captured six months ago. the city of baltimore continues cleanup efforts and prepares for the daunting rebuild following the collapse of the key bridge. maryland governor wes moore is here with the latest.

it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." there is breaking news this morning. we are seeing some significant developments out of israel. the idf has pulled some forces out of southern gaza and prime minister netanyahu said they are one step away from victory. the israelis will also send a delegation to cairo to meet with cia director bill burns and qatari and egyptian officials to try to negotiate both a cease-fire and to get the more than 130 hostages believed to be held by hamas. six months into the war the israeli military says they have ehim 12,000 -- eliminated 12,000

terrorists in gaza but at the expense of palestinian lives. more than 33,000 palestinians have been killed. the aid organization save the children cites the number of children killed in gaza at 14,000. we'll hear from their president later in the broadcast. we begin with our holly williams who is in tel aviv. what can you tell us about these developments and their significance? >> reporter: good morning, mart. israel's military says it only has one division inside the gaza strip. the other division that was there has left in the last 24 hours. the remaining troops are all either along gaza's border with israel or north of an east-west road that bisects the gaza strip. now i spoke with an israeli military spokesman a short while ago who told me this is a, quote, evolution of the war

effort and not a partial withdraw. he would not give me any exact troop numbers. my colleague bs cbs news producer marwan al ghoul says it is now possible to move friel from southern gaza all the way up to central gaza and that has not been possible for the past three months. >> there's also a lot of political pressure within israel right now and these ongoing protests against the netanyahu government. how is that affecting things? >> margaret we heard from prime minister netanyahu ahead of a cabinet meeting here in israel, and he didn't mention this troop movement at all. in fact, he vowed that israel would fight for total victory. he is under enormous pressure, as the news came out about these troops leaving gaza, there's also pressure from the right wing on netanyahu not to give away too much to hamas in negotiations. then on the other side of the political spectrum last night

across israel tens of thousands took part in anti-government protests. many people here are angry with the government, with their own leaders, for not doing more to bring the remaining hostages home. here in tel aviv a car rammed into a group of protesters injuring several people. opposition leader lapid said the incident was, quote, the direct result of rising incitementment from the government. more criticism there for benjamin netanyahu. margaret? >> holly williams, thank you. we turn to john kirby the coordinator for strategic communications for the white house security council. welcome back. >> thanks, margaret. >> prime minister netanyahu says israel is one step away from victory but they still plan to go into rafah. has netanyahu agreed to president biden's request to make this targeted and not a ground assault? >> we have been very clear with the prime minister and his team that we don't support a ground operation in rafah, that there

are other ways, other options that they need to look at for how they will go after the hamas threat still in rafah. we had a virtual meeting last week and expect to have an in-person meeting with israeli counterparts in the next week or so. we're narrowing down the schedule to present more details our thinking, some of our alternative, the kinds of things we want them to learn from our persons examines about how to do operations of this regard. >> the idf says this is an evolution of the war to draw down these troops. what are they preparing for? is this for another front in this conflict? >> well, i certainly wouldn't speak to idf operations or their planning one way or another. >> [ inaudible ]. >>the indications that we've been getting from them this morning this is rest and refit for troops on the ground consecutively for four months and they need a chance to come out. what they will do with those troops i can't speak to. all i can say is what i said before we don't support a major

ground operation in rafah and that has not change and looking forward to having conversations with the israelis about alternatives to those operations. >> you know there has been a large amount of criticism and skepticism of how israel is waging this war in the wake of the depths of the seven humanitarians this past week. you said on tuesday the u.s. has not found any incidents where the israelis have violated israel law. how far reaching is the u.s. investigation of israel? >> i wouldn't call it an investigation of israel. we have a normal process the state department runs and goinchs where they take a look at incidents, particularly those that are -- operations conducted by partner countries and look at them and assess them against international law and they're doing that in real time, margaret. some of them they've looked at and concluded and some they are still looking at at. >> they may be violation? >> we take this seriously and they take it seriously at the

state department and we'll keep looking at it. >> the secretary general doctors without borders rejected israel's explanation of what happened in the world central kitchen attack. >> yeah. >> because he lost staff in gaza as have other humanitarians, more than 200 dead to date. take a listen. >> we do not accept it because what has happened to world central kitchen and convoys and shelters is part of the statement same pattern of delib attacks on hoouns, health workers, journalists, u.n. personnel and schools and homes. this is not just about implementing an effective key confliction mechanism. our movements are shared and identified already. this is about impunity, a total disregard for the laws of war and now must become about accountability. >> this isn't a mistake, he says. this is a deliberate pattern, and he is not the only aid organization to say so. >> we understand.

>> will there be accountability. >> we understand the frustration and share that frustration and there have been too many aid workers killed by israeli operations and that is why the president was firm with prime minister netanyahu in their call this week about they have to change the way they're doing this. the process does matter because there is already communication between aid workers and the idf. >> pointless? it's not working. it's snilg this broke down no question. we're not arguing it hasn't. we're -- our case to the israelis you have to do more and do it better and it's got to improve. we've seen some aid organizations pulling back, not just world central kitchen but others. this is a time when the people of gaza need food, water, medicine, fuel, more than any. >> the president's national security memorandum stipulates that there can't be an impediment to delivery of aid. is negligence, gross negligence, failure to communicate, failure to protect these aid workers a violation? is there any account snblts. >> certainly those things are not acceptable and that was the tenor and the tone of the

conversation that the president had with the prime minister. they have taken some measures of accountability here in the immediate wake of the world central kitchen -- >> two soldiers. >> two were fired. we're going to be looking to see -- we're going through the investigation right now. we want to reserve judgment until we've had a chance to look at their findings and expect and this is an important point that announcements the israelis have made, while welcomed and important, can't be the end of it. we have to see sustained changes in the way they're operating on the ground and allowing humanitarian assistance to get in. >> as you know the israeli government said it had nothing to do with the president's calls. >> the president asked for the measures we saw them announce that evening and in the coming day or so. >> the former defense secretary, as you know well, leon panetta said on cnn in the past in my experience, the israelis usually fire and then ask questions. is the biden administration position still that there should

be zero conditions on aid, military aid to israel? >> i'm not going to get ahead of the president or decisions he might or might not make going forward. he was very clear in his call with the prime minister, that if we don't see some changes, in their policies in gaza and the way they're prosecuting operations, we're going to have to make some changes of our own. >> you think these are israeli policies then to block aid? >> they have -- they get to decide how they prosecute this war. it's their operation. we talked about them pulling troops out and they decide how they prosecute operations. we decide how we react and administer our own policy with respect to gaza. we make those decisions. the president was clear with the prime minister if there's not changes, if things don't get better, we're going to have to make changes of our own. >> the president is considering withholding conditioning doing anything or -- because for six months we have been hearing complaints like this, humanitarians on this program telling us what's happening? >> we see it ourselves. we're not blind to the risks that the aid workers are in, not

blind to the suffering the people of gaza are going through and president was clear. i won't get ahead of him and i won't prejudge decisions he will or won't make. >> not heard from him on this. if he feels so strongly, why isn't the president out there talking about this? >> you saw his statement after -- >> i read a paper statement. >> the minister's call with the prime minister and he will continue to talk to the american people and the members of congress about what we're doing and not doing. >> it is of direct national security concern, is it not, that as the director of the national intelligence says, there is a generational impact from what is happening on the ground there. >> no question. >> there could be an impact on terror recruitment long term here. >> no question. >> so what is the u.s. policy other than wait and see? >> it's not wait and see. i have to take issue with that. that is not the policy at all. two things can be true at once. you can still be a friend of israel and make sure that they have what they need to defend themselves and they need things. we're talking about the war in gaza rightly so, completely understand that, but they're

under threat and live in a tough neighborhood and live from a threat of iran. they have a need to defend themselves. how they do that matters. >> yeah. >> how they conduct the operations matters and that's what we're talking to them about. we need to see changes in the how or we have to make changes in our support. >> is there a timeline for when they need to act by? these -- >> we're looking right now. again they made announcements in the few hours after the call. they made other announcements in the next day about opening up crossings. all that is welcomed. we're going to be watching this very, very closely. it has to be sustained and verifiable. >> john kirby, thank you very much for coming on. and we turn now to continue the conversation with democratic senator chris van hollen from the state of maryland. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning, margaret. >> i want to pick up on the topic we've been talking about in terms of the developing policy because you have been pressing for the white house to act on the president's own standards for national security

and to hold israel to account in terms of possibly conditioning military aid. were you clear on what the white house position is? >> i'm not clear. first of all, i should say i'm glad bill burns is in cairo. i hope we get a cease-fire and return of all the hostages. i was glad to see the president, at least reported out, finally say to president netanyahu, that if you don't follow these, you know -- my requests, there will be consequences. but the president and the white house have yet to lay out what consequences they have and they want to impose and we have had a situation for months the president has made requests to the netanyahu government, they have ignored those requests and we've sent more 2,000 pound bombs. we have to make sure that when the president requests something, that we have a means to enforce it. >> the president has the power

to put limits on arms delivery to any country in the world that receives u.s. military support, even approved by congress in the past. they get $3.3 billion for weapons, $5.5 million for missile defense and you voted on an additional $14 billion in aid held up in the house right now. is any of that being reconsidered? >> well, first of all, that $14 billion is part of a much larger assistance package that providd $60 billion to the people of ukraine to fight against putin. so what i have said is, once the moneys are appropriated if to go through this process to transfer them, and the president's own national security memorandum number 20 you raised with john kirby says specifically, that if a recipient of u.s. military assistance, including the netanyahu government, is restricting the delivery of humanitarian aid, that we should

not be sending more weapons. so it's very important that biden administration enforce its own policy. that was signed by the president of the united states as a directive to the government. it needs to be enforced. >> so when i've talked to folks who would be asked to implement the policy that you are talking about in trying to say okay, you can have defensive but not offensive weapons, they say, it's next to impossible to try to separate that out and to define which weapons are okay and which weapons are not. how do you respond to that? >> there's a very clear line here. i was very involved in the negotiation of nsm 20. defensive weapons are things like air defense. iron dome. we're not taking the position that we should not be sending israel systems that it needs to defend itself. offensive weapons, i mean, airplanes, bomb, artillery, everything that's being used right now in gaza, these are offensive weapons that are being used. what it says is that you

shouldn't be shipping more weapons to the netanyahu government when they're not meeting their commitments including the delivery of humanitarian aid or what they're not complying with international law. >> so as part of this directive, may 8th is a date by which a report has to be delivered to congress about whether israel is abiding by, along with other countries, by the way, held to this standard. should it be made public whether or not they are violating international law? >> yes. we need more transparency. >> have you asked the white house to do that? >> the nsm requires the report be public to the extent possible, but, obviously, that leaves running room for the biden administration. we want this to be public not just respect to israel but all other countries that this will -- this report will cover, and it's a quite extensive report on whether or not israel is complying with these

provisions. also very important provision that asks whether or not they are using best practices to limit civilian harm. >> are congressional democrats comfortable with approving some of the weapons systems that are being asked for and may be in the pipeline? things that won't be delivered for years. israel does live in a tough neighborhood. should they be able to get fighter jets and things like that that they're asking for? >> yes, when they comply with the terms of nsm 20 and meet president biden's request. this partnership cannot be a one-way street. my view is that the president needs to do what he said he was going to do, see if the netanyahu government is going to implement these changes in terms of allowing more humanitarian assistance. we should measure that by people not starving to death, people being able to get medical equipment, kids not being able to -- not having amputations without anesthesia. so we have a long way to go, and

until those conditions are met, then no, we should not be sending more offensive weapons to israel, not to stop them permanently, but to effectively use our leverage. that's what we're asking the president of the united states to do. >> i have to ask you about your home state of maryland and the disaster in baltimore. congressman troen of maryland said that bill pledging federal funding to help rebuild this bridge should essentially be trump approved. he talked about the appropriations bill being structured just in case president biden is not re-elected. do you share his concern? >> well, first of all, president biden has been on this from the beginning and president biden has already made sure that maryland is part of what we call the emergency relief program, which automatically means that the state of maryland will get 90% of the funds for rebuilding

the bridge. what senator cardin and congressman fumi and i will do introduce legislation for the other 10% and make clear any moneys recovered through lawsuits on liability, come back to the u.s. federal taxpayer. >> i will ask governor moore about the details of that. thank you very much, senator van hollen. >> thank you. >> "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us.

. for more on the recovery following last month's collapse of baltimore's francis scott key bridge and the plan to rebuild it we're joined now by maryland governor wes moore.

governor, welcome. >> thank you so much. thanks for having me. >> we are so sorry about the recovery and the fatal accident. how do you describe where we are in this process of recovery and potentially rebuilding? >> well, i think first the state is still heartbroken. we lost six marylanders. just yesterday we recovered the body of maynard sandoval and our hearts continue to be with the families and with all of the families. we also know we have a long road to recovery ahead of us, but that road and recovery is now happening. the enormity of this collapse cannot be overstated. we are talking about a ship that is the size of the eiffel tower and the weight of the washington monument that is now sitting in the middle of the river with a bridge that is iconic. i don't know what the baltimore skyline looks like without the key bridge. it's been there since i was alive. it's now sitting in the bottom

of the river with part of it sitting on top of the ship. the recovery will be long, but the resilience that we have seen from the people of our state and the people of the city of baltimore, has been inspiring. where we really rallied. >> we heard when the president visited that reiteration of an aggressive timeline to get things up and running again, perhaps even by the end of may. is that realistic? >> it's realistic. and i think that it's going to take something that's going to be a 24/7 operation -- >> full functioning. >> to have full functioning and that means being able to not just continue the maritime operations that we have, but also it's understanding how important that port is, not just to baltimore, but to the entire country and right now if you look at the port of baltimore we have operations taking place via truck and rail. it's the maritime operations that have come to a halt. but we are going to do everything in our power to make sure we are bringing closure and comfort to these families, to be able to reopen this channel, to

be able to support our workers and support families who have been impacted by it and begin the process of a rebuild of the bridge. it is an aggressive timeline but we are going to work around the clock to make sure we hit this timeline. >> i have more to talk about with you but need to take a commercial break. please stay here with us. we hope all of you will stay with us as well. back in a moment. you need weathertech. [hot dog splat.] laser measured floorliners front and rear. [drink slurp and splat.] (scream) seat protector to save the seats. [honk!] they're all yours! we're here! hey, i knew you were comin'... so i weatherteched the car! can we get ice cream? we can now. kid proof your vehicle with american made products at weathertech.com.

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