i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ . i'm margaret brennan. in wa i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation," the house passes a massive aid package, with funding for ukraine. widening the divide in the

republican party. after six months of party infighting over aid to ukraine, speaker johnson did an end run around his maga conservative critics and worked with democrats to get a $95 billion aid package through the house. a move ka could cost him his job. >> these are not armal normal . >> will it revive the weary ukrainiian war effort? plus, we'll hear from tom cole and senator dan sullivan about all this and more. as former president trump prepared for opening statements in the new york hush money trial, bad weather kept him off the campaign trail this weekend. >> the weather is really getting bad. >> president biden spent three days in a state that's a must-win for him. >> you're the ticket to my house. that's not hyperbole. >> we'll talk with that state's

democratic governor, josh shapiro. ahead of earth day, what impact is the recent run of extreme weather having on american views on climate change? it's all just ahead on "face the nation." good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." six months to the day after president biden requested the funding for ukraine, it has finally passed the house. the $95 billion foreign aid package includes $61 billion for ukraine and rebuilding u.s. weapon stockpiles. $26 billion in aid for israel. that includes some humanitarian aid for palestinians. and $8 billion for parts of the indo pacific region, including taiwan. a bill also forces the

chinese-owned firm bytedance to celtic tok or risk a u.s. ban. speaker mike johnson worked with a majority of democrats to get the aid through. that bipartisan effort has made some ultraconservative house republicans livid. and they're threatening to remove the speaker from his job, just six months after a similar scenario cost kevin mccarthy the speakership. the senate is expected to pass the fundi ing bill later this week. we begin with the chairman of the senate intelligence committee, mark warner. good morning. and happy to have you here. >> good morning. >> $61 billion in aid to ukraine. 60% of that says as investment into the u.s. industrial base, as i understand it. president zelenskyy said this morning on another network, it's important that they get crucial, long-range artillery. is that what this money will pay

for? and if so, when will they actually get them? >> the great news is, this is finally happening. it should have happened six months ago. the next-best time is right now, this week. we've seen the ukrainians overperform. if you step back for a moment and think about the fact that, for most of my life, most of america's defense forces were focused on russia. getting this additional equipment as quickly as possible -- i hope once this gets to the president by tuesday or wednesday, that these shipments will be literally launched with that longer-range attacker. >> by next week? >> i hope that once the president signs, we've been told there's -- it is the president's signature making sure congress does its job. that these materials will be in transit by the end of the week. on that schedule what it will do, it's clearly been the case that ukrainians' morale has been great, but it's been undermined

over the last couple months when they have been literally giving out rationed bullets, eight to ten bullets a day, on artillery shells. russia's ten to one. you can't underestimate the ukrainians' grit, determination. but if they don't have the materiels, they can't carry this fight. >> will they get the long-range artillery? >> yes. >> not just ammunitions? >> the atacms, i believe the administration was prepared over the last couple months to prepare, to provide atacms. it is written into this legislation. >> according to the state department china has helped russia rebuild its defense industrial base, which has an impact on the battlefield as well here. how have they been able to just blow through u.s. sanctions or defy them to help the russians, who are fighting ukraine? >> if we look back again, we would all acknowledge that sanctions regime has not been as tight as we would like to have

seen it. china, being the worst offender with direct military support. india, a country i'm supportive of, but in terms of purchasing russian oil, that hard currency to russia for them to go out into the marketplace and acquire arms. it's one of the reasons why i think this package, which the house just passed, we will take up this week, that says, we have to be ready to be prepared for our national security interests, not only in ukraine and russia, also in terms of military assistance to israel, but with additional humanitarian aid for the palestinians who are in such great challenges, and there's about $8 or $8 billion for the indo-pacific region because of the concern that we have about china's aggressiveness towards taiwan. clearly the chinese linkage to russia, combined with the fact that the iranians are providing drones, for example, for russia

and the outlier nation, north korea. i know the terminology used to be axis of evil, this may be the 2024 axis of evil combination of nations. >> speaker johnson has used that language. one of the other things that house voted to do was move this tiktok bill through. so this would force the chinese-owned parent company bytedance to divest it, to sell it. but they have a better part of a year to do so. the chinese government says their not going to allow that. bytedance doesn't want to sell it. if this gets stuck in the courts isn't the reality is not going away? >> tiktok, 170 million americans 90 minutes a day, more than the power of eyes that your network reaches on a daily basis. that information and many young people on tiktok get their news. >> yeah. >> the idea that we would give the communist party this much of a propaganda tool, as well as the ability to scrape 170 mill been americans' personal data, it is a national security risk. >> is it a national security

risk according to the u.s. intelligence community, that has a direct impact potentially on u.s. elections. >> on u.s. elections. >> tiktok accounts -- >> this year. >> targets candidates from both parties during the midterm cycle in 2022, that's a worldwide threat assessment. tiktok is not going away before november, so that means it's an active threat. >> there is plenty of creativity on tiktok. there are people that make their living off of tiktok as social influencers. i don't want that go away. i want to make sure that the individuals pulling the strings are not ultimately functionaries of the communist party of china. >> i understand. even with this significant bill, the timeline is such it doesn't take it away as a risk for the election. and seems the u.s. government is so limited in many ways when it comes to these election influence efforts. >> the timeline of giving -- this is a complicated

transaction, to give it up to a full year from a business standpoint makes sense. the one thing we have in place, and i'm not putting a lot of solace in this, i was at the munich security conference earlier in the year when all 20 of the major social media companies, including tiktok, and including twitter, x, including facebook, google, amazon, you name it, they have said they would have a voluntary agreement about disinformation and misinformation and elections because with artificial intelligence, the ability for people to see this, our images here, maybe having words that we don't speak. >> right. >> is -- ought to scare the dickens out of all of us. the truth is, you know, these 20 companies have been guaranteed a voluntary agreement, they will take on watermarking to indicate altered content, willing to take this content down, but the proof is in the pudding. the parliamentary elections in europe start in less than 60 days. we're going along with our european partners, to say, all right, companies you promised. show us what you're doing. >> so this other measure that

was approved as well, section 702, it's a key surveillance tool, was reauthorized for two years instead of five. take a listen to what the cia director told my colleague norah o'donnell friday about how his agency is using this authority. >> its reauthorization, its passage, is a crucial tool to fight fentanyl. something like 70% of all the successful disruptions of fentanyl traffic moving into the united states, that we've been a part of, have come directly from intelligence derived from 702. >> these changes to 702, how does it help fight the trafficking of fentanyl? what difference is there? >> let's remember what 702 is. it is the ability for the united states government to surveil, listen in, on non-americans, foreigners, who are abroad and

many times, the fentanyl drug cartels are being run out of mexico, many times supplied with basic goods out of china, and this ability to listen in on the bad guys' communications, is extraordinarily powerful. as a matter of fact, the president gets a daily brief of all of the intelligence, hot spots around the world. 60%, 60% of what he reads each day is material that comes out of the 702 program. now, let me be clear, there have been times in the past where, particularly the fbi, didn't even follow its own rules on making sure that foreign individual, foreign terrorist, that might be talking to american, that we put appropriate protections on that american -- >> that led to some of this criticism. >> five years ago the fbi was screwing up on 30% of their queries just meeting their own criteria.

we put in place reforms. the screw up level has dropped from about 30% to less than 1%. we put requirements so that you can no longer do batch queries. fbi have to show a national security purpose. if a journalist or a political figure or a religious figure were even to be queried about, you have to get approval from the director to the deputy director or head of the national security division. we think we've got a very strong reform bill. it's why it passed the senate. >> senator, so much to talk to you about. good to have you here in person. >> thank you, margaret. and we turn now to alaska republican senator dan sullivan, who is also here with us, a busy weekend here in washington. >> yeah. good to be back on the show. >> so, senator, this ukraine aid that finally has moved, president zelenskyy was on another network this morning. and he said the u.s. will send a signal with this that this will not be a second afghanistan. the u.s. will stay with ukraine.

if donald trump wins this next election, can you guarantee the u.s. will stay with ukraine? >> listen, i can't guarantee anything. but it's actually good that president zelenskyy mentioned afghanistan because margaret, this gets lost too much. we have to look at how we got to the situation of a ukraine. i believe strongly that weakness coming out of the biden white house, they cut defense spending, you know, every year in terms of the president's budget, their energy policies exude weakness and the botched withdraw from afghanistan, emboldened putin to undertake the invasion of ukraine. so we got to remember kind of broadly, more strategically, where we are. but as you know, i was a supporter of the defense supplemental, and i think it's not just going to be important for ukraine, as you and i have talked about before. it's going to be really important for the industrial base of america, which has

atrophied dramatically. 60% of this bill goes into building weapons and submarines to 155 -- >> districts which is surprising it took so long to get through the house. >> all over the place. it's important. again, you know, a lot of this in terms of where we are on ukraine, from my perspective, comes from the weakness of the biden administration and, you know, the president's inability to make the case on ukraine. he's given two speeches on ukraine in the last two years. and all his speeches do is kind of villianize another part of the congress. he hasn't tried to bring people together. >> we could have a historical argument for the next hour going back years about green lights given to vladimir putin around the world by leaders in many countries. >> the history on this is important. >> let's talk about -- i'm not not saying it's not. let's talk about the future. and the signals being sent. the hungarian prime minister met with donald trump at mar-a-lago

and then gave an interview. and in that interview he said that trump told him, he will not give a penny to fund ukraine and that is why the war will end because ukraine cannot stand on its own feet. we know he's not fan of president zelenskyy. why do you think he will be persuaded? he might win this election. >> yeah. i mean president trump put out a statement recently where he thought it was important to support ukraine. he actually also mentioned the europeans need to do more, and he mentioned something i just said, it's unlikely the war would have started had he still be in the white house. >> russia hadn't withdrawn from ukraine, they've gone in 2014. this argument over trump would have made a difference, it didn't make a difference four years in office. >> the broader issue particularly between biden and trump right now, where are we -- is the world a safer place for the united states and our allies today, as it was four years ago? i think the answer is unequivocally no. let's get back to your question.

i do think that the republican party in the house and in the senate is still very much the peace through strength party. this is the tradition of republicans, reagan, the bush presidencies, eisenhower, roosevelt -- >> were you talking about the senate or the house? there were more republicans in the house that voted against ukraine aid than voted for it. >> look at some of the other votes. there was a vote republicans in the house two to one rejected an amendment to strip funding for ukraine. two to one in the house. and -- >> marjorie taylor greene's effort? >> correct. >> we'll see what the senate does this tuesday on this bill. one of the things that i think the speaker did a good job on, with regard to this legislation, is actually -- he actually improved it for a whole host of reasons, but i predict that you'll probably see a majority of senate republicans supporting this legislation. like i said, peace through strength. this is important because donald trump was part of that

tradition, very much. you remember, president obama cut defense spending by 25% his second term. he gutted readiness. this is what democrat presidents do. biden did it. obama did it. >> i want to talk about these mixed messages in the house with our congressmen ahead. >> okay. >> but i still think our party is the peace through strength party. >> as you said you can't guarantee a trump administration -- >> nobody can guarantee anything. >> he hasn't even endorsed this bill publicly. >> he came out with a statement just last week saying something that, you know, ukraine was important. >> he says everyone agrees ukrainian survival and strength should be much more to europe than to us. but it's also important to us. that was the best that republicans got out of him. david cameron, uk. the polish president. >> let me make one other point, i think that we're kind of giving joe biden a pass on not just as i mentioned how we got here, but the execution of the ukraine effort. as you know, literally every major weapons system that ukrainians have said they need,

from patriots, stingers, tanks, f-16s, now atacms, every single weapons system this administration delays, delays, because they're scared of, you know, making vladimir putin mad, the senate, you saw mark warner a second ago and you interviewed him in a bipartisan way, we come in and say, mr. president, you have to give them these weapons systems. they finally relent. think about where we would be, margaret, if a year and a half ago, we would have gotten the weapon systems to ukrainians. >> or six months ago if the republicans in the house held a vote to do what they did yesterday. i need to move on to climate because you're passionate about this and what the biden administration announced about your state of alaska. >> yes. >> the president wants to conserve 30% of u.s. lands as part of his climate change efforts. and he has limited oil and gas drilling in parts of the national petroleum reserve to protect polar bears and other things. and then, he also blocked a road

crucial to operating a copper and zinc mine. you said this is suicidal and lawless? >> it was. >> those are strong words. >> it's lawless. he doesn't have the authority to do that and i can go into the laws that support me on that. national security suicide. this president won't sanction the iranian oil and gas regime. you may have seen senator blumenthal and i sent a letter to president friday saying you need to do that. but he has no problem sanctioning alaska. this administration has issued 63 executive orders and executive actions singularly focused on alaska to shut our state down. that, of course, hurts my constituents but a national resources energy, critical minerals, that's an american strength. this should concern all kinds of americans. one final thing i want to highlight here. i've been in the senate nine years.

i've never seen such a cynical and dishonest display coming out of any presidency when this president on friday with secretary holland announced they did this because the alaska native, indigenous people on the north slope of alaska wanted them to, asked them to. the leaders of the north slope of alaska were unanimous in opposition to this. they tried to meet with secretary holland. she wouldn't meet with them. this is a rule that focuses on their lands where they've been living thousands of years. and the president said i did it because the indigenous people of alaska wanted it. that is a lie. and i -- it is a lie. go see what the indigenous people of alaska from that part of my state said. >> okay. >> they're very upset that the president was canceling their voices and now stealing their voices. it was a despicable move. >> senator, we have to leave it there because of the break. i know you could talk with me on this, perhaps, again in the future. >> thank you. >> more in depth. we'll be right back.

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republican congressman tom cole. good morning. >> good morning. >> so you were the lead sponsor on ukraine, israel and taiwan bills. and i know this was a big decision for the speaker to hold the vote at all. the polish prime minister tweeted, speaker johnson, thank you. better late than too late. and i hope it is not too late for ukraine. how do you measure the cost of inaction over the past six months? >> first of all the senate only passed the bill 65 days ago. and it's not like the speaker didn't have other things to do. he had to get all the appropriations done, had to do fisa. >> running out of ammunition -- >> again, the administration waited a while, the senate took a while, and we had other business under way. it got done. it got done in a bipartisan way. he showed incredible leadership. and frankly, he gave us a rule, tat is a structure in which we considered all these different matters, where every member got

to vote the way they wanted to on every single issue. that wasn't the case in the senate and when they follow the example we have, you'll see more support for ukraine than we probably saw in the original vote. >> to be fair, we're not talking about a policy debate that doesn't have a direct impact on the battlefield. i mean, the supreme allied commanders testified before congress on april 10th, ukrainians are being out shot by the russian side five to one because of this debate. the delay. >> i'm sorry, democracy is a -- kind of a messy business. and the reality is, it's done. so it moved through. it moved through in a very bipartisan basis. >> more republicans voted against it than voted for it. >> well, look, it's about an even split. quite frankly, if you want to look at the hard core republican opposition, go to the motion to recommit or look at the bill to strip funding from ukraine. it's about two to one. actually three to one on the motion to recommit. this is politics. there is such a thing as a vote

no hope yes crowd in every caucus. i can go down that list and tell you the members that said okay, you got the votes, you don't need me. i think -- >> that would be a fun game with you actually because i could pick a few of those names. >> i'm not critical of anybody. the reality is we have overwhelming bipartisan support for each part of this package. it was structured in a way it allowed members to vote -- make the points they wanted to make, and, frankly, if they needed political cover to do it. it got done. >> right. >> i'm proud of the speaker. >> i want to talk to you more on the other side of this break. you are in there acknowledging when you say vote no hope yes, there are republicans that had to vote no because of the political pressure and fight in your own party. >> again, you think nobody makes political calculations in the united states senate or in the administration. >> yeah. >> welcome to american politics. >> sure. >> the point is look at the numbers. look at overwhelming bipartisan numbers. >> we're going to do that. >> over and over. >> on the other side of this break. stay here, please. we'll be right back.

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♪ welcome back to "face the nation." we want to continue our conversation now with oklahoma republican congressman tom cole. congressman, before the break we've been talking about this vote the house had yesterday to approve the $95 billion package.