liz neeley: you know, you've probably heard it said that some people have to hit rock bottom before they really come to the lord and give him their life. and that's what happened. i probably had a lot of anxiety at that point about my future, but as i began to study the word and a lot of dr. stanley's teachings and sermons, i began to realize that, through the love of jesus, god saved me for a purpose. i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation" -- pressure builds to try and get the hamas-held hostage negotiations back on track and campus protests sparked by the israel-hamas conflict, spread across the country. on saturday, more hamas proof of

life propaganda, featuring another american hostage meld gaza, appearing very much under duress. president biden vows that he will not rest until every hostage is returned and sent his top diplomat back to the region. plus, with $61 billion in aid now headed to ukraine, republican leader mitch mcconnell apologizes to volodymyr zelenskyy for senate republicans' role in that delay that took its toll on the country's war effort. do you feel your party is responsible for those setbacks? >> many of them, yeah. we took too long. plus what's helping fuel those campus protests coast to coast? we'll tell you. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪

good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we begin today with foreign correspondent debora patta in jerusalem. >> reporter: like most days in rafah, this one began with mourning. after more israeli strikes hit what is mostly a tent city in the south sheltering over half of gaza's 2.3 million palestinian crammed up against the egyptian border. there were heartbreaking farewells to tiny bodies, wrapped in shrouds. this infant has known only war her entire life. it's been a brutal week for children, even medical baby sa breen who was saved from her dying mother's womb a week ago lived just five days. she's being buried next to the rest of her family. rafah is already under daily bombardment, but israel keeps

threatening a ground invasion and palestinians who have already fled multiple times, keep asking, where will they go? much of gaza lies in ruin. the destruction on such a scale, it is uninhabitable. this morning, more humanitarian aid was airdropped over the territory, and this idf footage shows the floating pier being built by the americans near the gazan coastline which officials say will be compleed early may, allowing more supplies to flow into gaza. but the dire warnings of imminent famine have not gone away. already the u.n. says one in three children under the age of 2 is acutely malnourished. prior to october 7, hardly any. and despite an increase in aid, the u.n. says it is still not enough to avert famine, which could spread across the north next month. ahead of a possible rafah

invasion, there are now last-ditch attempts to revive cease-fire talks. hamas has stepped up the pressure by releasing propaganda videos that show three hostages, including two americans, still alive, but speaking under duress. >> debora patta in jerusalem. we're joined by hannah segal whose uncle keith segal is one of those american hostages. good morning to you, hannah. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> thank you for speaking to us. i know that the biden administration has reached out to you and your family. the fbi is analyzing that video leased yesterday. what stood out to you? i think this is the first proof of life so far. >> we've always believed that he was alive. we have to believe he's alive, and his wife, my aunt, who was held for 52 days, released in the deal that took place in november, she was with him. when she came out she told us he

was alive, but this is the first time that we're seeing him, hearing him. it's surreal. >> you have 205 there, that's the number of days he has been held. in the video your uncle under duress mentions the protests that have been taking place in israel, pressuring the government for a deal. do you think that a deal can be reached at this point, and is it up to the united states to close it? >> i do think a deal can be reached. i mean, we know that. a deal was reached in november. dozens of women and children were released, including my aunt, so we know that it's possible. i think that's really important to remember. the united states plays a critical role, played a critical role in november, and i think, you know, ultimately, this is a negotiation between hamas and prime minister netanyahu and israel, and one of the things that really worries my family and worries me is that it's

arguably not in prime minister netanyahu's political interest to close a deal. you know, for us, this is the moment. these videos, as you know, there was a video released a couple days ago of another american hostage, hirsch goldberg pollen. i think these videos are a signal they're ready to make a deal and american citizens are being held including keith. >> there are 133 hostages we know of, five of them americans. why do you believe it is not in prime minister netanyahu's interest to cut a deal to bring them home? >> i think, you know, there is a lot swirling in the political landscape in israel, and i'm not here to talk about that, but there have been negotiations going on for months now, we're at 205 days. there have been deals on the table and they've proven elusive and i worry that's because of

prime minister netanyahu. so i think now is the moment. i think -- i have faith that we can do a deal now, but i also think if that isn't possible, then the biden administration should think about what they can do directly to bring our american citizens home. >> secretary of state antony blinken is flying to the region now, and is going to talk about a cease-fire and a hostage deal. do you know if the biden administration is considering making a deal to bring the americans home without the israeli government's approval or role here? >> i don't know. >> but you want them to look at that option? >> what i know is that the biden administration has shown unwavering and relentless commitment to my family and the families of all of the hostages, and i know it is their priority to bring all hostages, including the americans, home. i know that they are doing absolutely everything that they can. keith, in this video, i mean, he

starts the video by saying, how much he loves us. he loves our family. he's, obviously, under duress. he's gaunt. he looks weak. but that's real. i know that he misses his family. he talks about, you know, i think the hardest part of the video he breaks down talking about being alone on passover. those of us siegels in america got together for passover and those in israel got together for passover and we had -- we had this little picture of keith at the table, but he's not home. and so i have such faith and i have felt the commitment from the biden administration to get him back. >> keith's daughter sent a recorded message to protesters who are in the streets in israel last night, and she said, i demand the country's leaders watch the video and see their father crying for help. hamas leased this as propaganda. why do you think watching that video is important? what do you think is not understood by the government?

>> first of all, my cousin, keith's kids and his wife, a hostage survivor herself, are incredibly brave and they have spent every single day going to anybody who will listen around the world and telling them, reminding them, that there are people's lives at stake. i think there's so much swirling in the political realm that it's easy to forget that these are human beings. keith is a grandfather, he's a husband, he's a brother, he's an uncle. we're a very, very close family, and that's what we're feeling. more than any of the political considerations, more than thinking about the day after and what happens, those are really, really important questions, but i think this video is a reminder that these are human beings and they need to come home. >> the u.s. says hamas is standing in the way of a deal. are you concerned that if an invasion of southern gaza, of rafah happens, that your uncle will be at risk of death?

>> very concerned. i mean, he talks in the video about hearing bombs all around him. >> yeah. >> and so we worry about the fact that he's being held underground by a terrorist group, of course. we worry about the fact that he's starving. when aviva came out she talked to us about how they were beginning to starve, and i can't imagine that that hasn't gotten so much worse. you can see it on his face. and we also worry about the bombs going off. >> of course. >> around him. >> of course. thank you for reminding us about the humanity here. and we wish you luck. >> thank you so much for having me. we visited senate republican leader mitch mcconnell on capitol hill thursday just after he apologized to president zelenskyy for the delay of passing the $61 billion aid package for ukraine. leader mcconnell acknowledged to us the six-month process, four in the senate, it was a costly delay for the ukrainin war effort. in the time of the holiday russia's military land forces have grown back to where they were before the invasion.

the arm's 15% larger and reinforced 20% of ukrainians territory they hold. these are all the words of the supreme allied commander himself. do you feel your party is responsible for those setbacks? >> many of them, yeah. we took too long. this issue is like a family reunion if you will, with a lot of different points of view being expressed around the table. all the democrats were for ukraine. there's no question that the debate was in our family on our side and there was a lot of skepticism for a long time, but i think it got better and i think we proved that earlier this week. >> what do you think changed minds? >> the actual facts. once we realized we were not going to get a border result, i think our members really started focusing on the package.

it was clear that it was not going to have a border provision attached to it, and there are almost no good arguments against this. every argument that made it -- made by the opponents, is provably wrong, and the fact, i think, were convincing for a number of our members, and they changed their minds. >> you are leader for another eight months. but you said you're going to stay and serve out your term. donald trump may, again, become president. according to our latest cbs polling, 79% of self-identified republicans told us that the source of information they most trust on ukraine and russia is donald trump. this sentiment doesn't seem to be disappearing. how are you going to counter that? >> what i want to do and what

i've focused on is not the presidential race, it's getting the senate back. >> this isn't the race. this is persuading public opinion. >> i think the single most important thing i can do is make sure my successor is the majority leader no matter how the election comes down. i think the fact that our nominee basically decided not to continue whipping people against the package, was a good sign, and i'm going to be advocating increasing the defense budget, no matter who gets elected, and preparing ourselves for the long term, which is china, russia, and iran. this administration's budget requests for defense haven't even kept up with inflation. >> you said the republican nominee decided not to whip against the package. in other words, stop telling lawmakers that -- not to vote

for it. but we know, donald trump is not a fan of zelenskyy. viktor orban, the prime minister of hungary, recently had dinner with mr. trump at mar-a-lago, and then told reporters that trump said he won't give a penny to ukraine and that will be the way he forces an end to the fighting. if that's the fundamental belief of the man who is going to be comander in chief, how do you stop him? >> what i'm doing is trying to change the senate so that we have a majority, no matter who wins the presidential election. i can't control that. i have some influence here in the senate and i intend to use it, no matter who gets elected senate, to increase our defense budget and get ready for the challenges that we have ahead of us. >> but that's a challenge where you might have to be the firewall against your own party, and its leader again.

>> i've been willing to do that. i had something to do with changing opinion in the senate on this issue, and i think a lot more of my members now understand the importance of it. >> about a month after january 6th you voted to acquit donald trump after he was impeached and you said on the senate floor -- >> trump didn't get away with anything yet. we have a criminal justice system in this country. we have civil litigation. and former presidents are not immune from being accountable by either one. >> do you still believe that former presidents are not completely immune from liability? >> let's put it this way. i addressed that issue on february 13th. >> it's active before the supreme court as we speak. >> and january 6th of 2021. i stand by everything i said. obviously, it will be up to the supreme court to decide whether i was correct. >> part of what you said is part of this case in some ways.

because you argued for the senate not to convict mr. trump and central to his immunity argument is the claim that a former president, who is impeached and convicted by the senate, can be criminally prosecuted. he was not. do you regret your choice? it's part of the defense? >> i don't regret anything i said then. i haven't taken it -- anything i've said back. but the answer to your question is going to be in the courts, the supreme court is going to decide that. >> so you stand by your description of trump as practical and morley responsible for provokes the events of january 6th and potentially criminally responsible and libel? >> i don't know how many times you're going to ask me the same question. i stand by everything i said on january 6th and february 13th of '21. >> well i'm asking you the question because since the past few months have passed and our last conversation, you've

endorsed him for re-election. >> you need to get better research. i was asked that question three years ago, if he were the nominee would i support him. >> you said you would support whoever the nominee was. >> yes. because the voters of my party across the country have made a decision as the republican leader of the senate, obviously, i'm going to support the nominee of my party. >> but you have taken stands on issues you feel are of strong national security interests and morally imperative. that was your argument on ukraine, and that you were bucking in some ways a populist opinion, so on this one i'm just wondering how you explain that, when you say, it was good enough for a number of republicans that he be the nominee? because that is the populist opinion. it's not taking the position

that he has -- he doesn't live up to the role. >> the issue is, what kind of influence, even if i had chosen to get involved in the presidential election, what kind of influence would i have had? >> you're one of the most powerful republicans. >> i'm the republican leader of the senate. what we do here is try to make law. i like us to be in the majority. >> your world view seems more aligned with joe biden when it comes to american leadership. >> i wouldn't -- >> with global conflict than with donald trump. >> i certainly wouldn't have -- >> who has spoken against volodymyr zelenskyy, not endorsed the package you just worked so hard to get over the finish line. >> okay. look, i wouldn't have withdrawn from afghanistan. i wouldn't have submitted four budgets in a row for defense that don't even keep up with inflation. i have plenty of differences with the current administration. whether i will have differences with the next administration, remains to be seen. i know what i think, and it doesn't make any difference what the outcome of the presidential

election is. i'm going to be focusing on this with the remainder of my time in the senate. >> what i hear you saying, tell me if i'm getting it wrong, is that you can stop donald trump if he's commander in chief? even if you're not leader, you're going to do the most you can to counter this isolationist world view and to counter or limit what he could do if re-elected? >> i'm going to counter, no matter who is elected president, advocating things that i think are not good for america. what i care about is what does the person who actually gets elected, ultimately do? >> should mr. trump, as candidate, as representative of your party, go and see ukraine for himself? >> i'm not going to give him any advice. i'm focusing on turning the senate republicans into the majority here, and focusing on

advocating, as i think i successfully did this very week, from moving away from the isolationist movement that began with tucker carlson. >> it began with tucker carlson? >> it did. he had a huge audience among rank and file republicans, and i think it was very disruptive and very impactful on regular republican voters and creating a big problem. >> because he mimicked republican propaganda and amplified it and that's been repeated on the house floor as the intel chairman said. >> i certainly disagreed with him, and he certainly ended where he should have been all along, interviewing vladimir putin. >> will you fact-check donald trump when he says these things? because he has also repeated sme of these claims -- >> i'm not going to give any advice to our candidate in the

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anything but academic. >> if you want to protect free speech you don't break up peaceful protests. >> people didn't seem to be aware of how bad the situation for free speech and academic freedom was already on campus until octobe 7th. >> reporter: greg from the foundation of individual rights and expression, a group defending the right to free speech. >> do you have the sense that any of this is moving the ball forward? >> some of the way the protests have been going on on college campuses has been alienating more of the public than bringing it in. >> reporter: on columbia university's west lawn, civil disobedience, this ongoing tent city, galvanized national protests. they want the university to divest investments in israel and companies they say profit off repression of palestinians. dueling protests at columbia, pro-israel, pro-palestinian, reflect a larger welter of opinion and passion and

perceived prejudice. >> people would be up and arms protesting that right away, but because it's the jews i feel like nobody cares. >> reporter: all this coast-to-coast commotion is well into its second week and what began here at columbia has rippled overseas. from paris to london, university students occupy buildings and march in the streets. they're echoing this u.s. student movement, at times a moment that's been unflattering, even dark, from intolerant protesters to stumbling universities. >> a lot of campuses are teaching young people to think like activists and less like scholars. when you're reduced to just shouting at each other, that is a failure of some of the things that makes higher education so special. >> we'll have more on what's fueling those protests coming up.

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