>> brock purdy would need to save you. >> yes, he would. >> i needed a disclaimer before watching any of that. i am never going to see kang rees the same way again. >> right? >> did they say 16? they own -- why do you need 16 kangaroos in america? >> i don't know. >> they're not native here. >> to texas? no. >> you're bringing them over here, you've got 16? what are we doing? >> like i said, it's their fitness inspiration. thank you for watching. the late show with stephen colbert is coming up next. >> i needed a disclaimer. >> it's a little unnerving. >> donald trump in court again and i think he fell asleep again. >> mr. trump leaned back, closed his eyes, and didn't move much, seemingly sleeping through much of the morning. >> do you have trouble falling asleep? then reach for magatonin.

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nice. please have a seat. thank you very much. very kind, you lovely people. welcome to "the late show." i am your host, stephen colbert. [cheering] i'm not surprised these people are in a good mood. it was a beautiful spring day here in new york city. 10 out of 10. warm, sunny. a perfect day for donald trump to be stuck in a courtroom freezing his drowsy balls off. you know what? to be fair. he is somebody's little boy. but i'm sure his spirits were buoyed by the show of force today from his legion of maga supporters. downtown in manhattan here. when he arrived today, he was greeted at the courthouse by a single fan. "dad! go get 'em, dad! you can do it!

hug?" the biggest story out of the trial continues to be trump's adventures in slumberland. and his team seems a little concerned. today, trump's eyes were closed at the start of testimony, but his lawyer seemed acutely aware of how important his consciousness is to their case and kept glancing over at his client. eventually, they're just going to have to put him on a baby monitor. "oh, no. he's on his stomach again. i gotta go flip him over. hold on. do we have a wedge? do we have a wedge?" the prosecution wants to show the jury that everyone involved in the hush money scheme knew just how critical it was to trump's 2016 campaign. to do that, they've been getting testimony from stormy daniels' former lawyer and man asking, "so, how do you think this first date is going?" keith davidson. prosecutors had davidson go through a lot of texts he sent about the hush money deal and

asked several times to explain common internet abbreviations. in fact, at one point, he was compelled to tell the courtroom what "wtf" stands for. okay. of course, in any text about trump, it stands for "wake the farter." [cheers and applause] allegedly. allegedly. we don't know. trump's former lawyer michael cohen may or may not be a witness in this case, we don't know yet. but trump's lawyers claim that cohen should not be protected under trump's gag order because on social media, cohen has "taunted trump, suggesting his former client cannot control his bowels." [laughter] oh, sure, laugh all you want. i certainly do. but michael cohen is an adult. it's not like he came up with some childish nickname for the former president. >> donald von [bleep]inpants.

[cheers and applause] >> stephen: i really didn't think i'd enjoy that as much as i just did. but show some respect, sir. that's president von [bleep]inpants. that wasn't the only cohen social media post that trump's team objected to. the defense also shared an image cohen posted of trump in an orange jumpsuit, a moment that court sketch artist depicted like this. "wait. wait, if i'm in there, how am i out here? quick! quick! tiny me in the box, say something only me would know. dammit, i don't know anything. should we maybe... kiss?" >> louis: wow. >> stephen: oh, that part is upsetting? we found the line.

cohen's taunting hits close to home because reportedly, trump has been privately horrified by the idea of being made to wear "one of those jumpsuits." yeah, i don't blame him. there's nothing more humiliating than trying to go to the bathroom in a jumpsuit. all of a sudden, you're fully naked in a stall at whole foods. it's a nightmare. yesterday was a day off from the trial, so trump jetted off to wisconsin and michigan to perform his hit one-man show, "complaining for applause." he held two rallies, and in waukesha, wisconsin, he addressed the divisive issue of abortion by saying it's not divisive. in fact, everybody loves that he helped overturn roe v. wade. >> but basically the states decide on abortion, and people are absolutely thrilled with the way that's going on. >> stephen: yes. i'm being told we have footage. [booing] no, no, no, no, ladies and gentlemen. i'm being told we have footage

of one suburban voter being absolutely thrilled. >> [screaming] >> stephen: even though... even though trump says everyone's on board with ending roe, he acknowledges that everyone's not on board with ending roe. >> let the states make the decision. let the people decide. some people will be happy. some people will be okay. some people won't be quite as happy. >> stephen: the guy wants to be a dictator, but as soon as it's something people care about, he's like, "it's out of my hands." "yes, the asteroid is coming. but i've left it up to space and the states to decide where it hits. some people will be happy. some people won't be quite as happy. some people will be crater." at one point, in the wisconsin rally... [cheers and applause] i got a little thing? i got a little of this? at one point in the wisconsin

rally, trump gave a shout-out to a local business owner and said one particular word in a totally normal way. >> we're honored to be joined today by shanna gray, who owns a "vaygan" restaurant. i'm not into the "vaygan" stuff i must say. maybe you can convince me with that "vaygan" food. we're going to come and try that "vaygan" food. >> stephen: "i'll try your vaygan food. it's made with vay-jetables. like broo-coo-lee and own-yones, and cay-rods, and my favorite: porn on the cob. [laughter] i'm just... folks, i love it. we all remember. we all remember when madonna sang "like a vaygan. shucked for the very first time." then trump took a swipe at joe biden. >> you know when biden went to the beach all the time, he'd go to the beach tuesday, wednesday. somebody, one of his idiot consultants said he looks good in a bathing suit.

he's 81 years old. historically -- cary grant didn't look good at 81 in a bathing suit. >> stephen: excuse me? are you saying there was an age at which cary grant didn't look good? how dare you, sir. you know what? i'm sorry. jim, i'm gonna need the furious cam. grr! i'm so mad! and those totally inappropriate dancing hotdogs make me even more furious! stop it! stop it! you animals! donald trump has said a lot of horrible things. but none worse than claiming cary grant did not look good in a bathing suit at any age! hot dogs, as you were." when trump wasn't slandering bygone heroes of the silver screen, he was doing party tricks. here he is asking the crowd for a pen. >> give me a pen. somebody. come on. give me a pen.

i gotta get a pen. let's go. yeah, good, just throw it up here. [laughter] give me a pen please. you think biden can bend down like that? i don't think so. >> stephen: this... this is... this is where e are as a country. the presidency of the united states could well come down to which old man can pick up a pen. the debates are going to be scintillating. "i'm wolf blitzer. our next question is for both candidates. given persistent inflation, which one of you can climb into this doorless bathtub unassisted?" now, please. here's a self-lubricating catheter. we here at team "late show" have

been following the tragic career suicide of south dakota governor and talbot's mannequin you could swear just blinked, kristi noem. noem bragged in her memoir that she shot her 14-month-old puppy as well as a family goat. [booing] and i'll be honest, i was conflicted about whether or not i should keep talking about it, because unlike kristi noem, i don't like beating a dead horse. [laughter] noem went on "hannity" last night to defend herself. >> the truth of this story is that this was a working dog. it was not a puppy. >> stephen: that's right. an important distinction: it was a working dog. so noem did not shoot her puppy. she shot her employee. now, noem says... noem says... [applause] noem says she's actually

a man's best friend. >> i'm a dog lover. i've trained dogs for years. i've been around hundreds of them, of course. >> stephen: although, before she got there, it used to be thousands. oh, hey! i know. there's some news. is this boeing? news coming out of boeing, and it's about to land on your house. this time, a delta flight had to make an emergency return after an exit slide separated from a boeing aircraft. that's right, even the exit slides don't feel safe on boeing planes. ever since that plane yeeted a slide into the hudson, authorities have been looking for it. and now it has been found -- and this is true -- washed up at the home of a lawyer whose firm is suing boeing. [cheers and applause] >> louis: wow. >> stephen: that is an incredible coincidence. or boeing was trying to send

a message. reminds me of that scene in the godfather. ♪ ♪ >> slide! slide! slide! slide! >> stephen: we got a great show for you tonight! my guests are john leguizamo and from cnn, laura coates. but when we come back, "meanwhile"! join us, won't you? >> announcer: "the late show with stephen colbert" sponsored by mcdonald's. you have all the ingredients for this in your fridge but ask yourself this... of all the times you've made it at home... has it ever tasted like our mcmuffin? ♪ba da ba ba ba.♪ ( ♪♪ )

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♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> stephen: hey, everybody! welcome back. ladies and germs, we've got -- give it up for the band. [cheers and applause] i'm outta here. my brain is gone. my brain is gone. one week back and i'm toast. oh, louis, i got distracted. i was thinking about -- please have a seat, everybdy. thank you very much. i got distracted thinking about our guests. from cnn, laura coates is going to be out here to talk about the

trump trial and many other things. before that, a lovely fella, i've spoken to him many times. always a joy. big fan and much respect for the gentleman. john leguizamo is going to be out here in just moment. folks, if you watch the show, you know i spend most of my time right over there, harvesting the day's finest zelkova news elm, to make a solid and topical story frame then adding a central lockplate with delicate brass fittings finely incised with myeongtae fish and seoye calligraphy to create for you the beautiful and timeless antique korean joseon dynasty pandaji tansu chest that is my monologue. but sometimes, just sometimes, folks, i wake up in an abandoned construction site still shaking from the salvia jitters and rip the door off an old port-a-potty which i drag over to the opening of a discarded igloo cooler and self-soothe inside the junkie's grumble trunk of news that is my segment... >> "meanwhile"!

[cheers and applause] >> stephen: it's like an isolation chamber for the mind where, like, altered states, you can regress into a happier, more primitive form of yourself. meanwhile, hundreds gathered in new york's union square park this weekend to witness an anonymous man devour an entire jar of cheese balls. i understand everyone's concern, but next time, i'd appreciate some privacy. meanwhile, airbnb just released a new category called "icons," which will allow travelers to rent carl's house from the pixar film "up," which was recreated room by room. so of all the wonderful worlds pixar has created for us, airbnb is letting you and your family stay in "grieving widower's house" from the movie with the most devastating opening 10 minutes in cinematic history. "okay, kids. who wants to sleep on the big, empty bed where he cried himself to sleep."

meanwhile, drew barrymore accidentally left her sex list at danny devito's house. barrymore admitted this while discussing the trend of folks making lists of people they've had sex with. to which one high schooler responded, there can be enough for a list? [applause] meanwhile, arcade chain dave & buster's is planning to let customers place wagers on games. perfect for anyone who's thought "this birthday party of ice-cream and rage-filled nine-year-olds isn't quite stressful enough. whatdya say we make things interesting?" apparently, patrons will be able to "place a $5 wager on the chain's hot shots basketball game and skee-ball competition," which they claim is "to elevate the customer experience through innovative, cutting-edge technology." 'cause dave and buster's is a hotbed of cutting edge technology like ramp, claw,

and air. meanwhile, in poultry-related perfume news, kfc is launching a perfume if you fancy smelling like fried chicken. you wanna smell like kfc? you don't need perfume. just eat kfc. i had one drumstick in november and i'm still being followed by seagulls. [laughter] meanwhile. it's a big week for soft-drink innovations because the team of beverage scientists over at sprite labs has "announced that the brand's latest drink, sprite chill, comes with a cooling sensation thanks to its proprietary blend of cooling agents". don't sell food products using the same language as engine maintenance. "high-viscosity sprite goes down smooth thanks to our patented compound of manifold lubricant." but if you're worried about

imbibing a science project, take heart in the knowledge that sprite's research and development team went through several rounds of trial and error with the new drink. yes, they did blind taste tests until the testers stopped going blind. meanwhile... [applause] [humming] according to a new study, alpaca sex is even weirder than you think. oh, i doubt that. pretty freaky. apparently, scientists have found evidence that male alpacas have sex by thrusting their penises all the way up the female's uterus. to which men everywhere said, "pfff! that is so weird! because we all know it's supposed to be... different than that?" [laughter]

is it a dog leg or something? i don't know what's going on. they got the two things. they got this part and they got that. fun fact. [applause] i don't know. i don't know. fun fact, male alpacas have long, thin penises that end with a hard cartilage tip, almost like a spear. so next time you're trying to tell a llama from an alpaca, if you see its penis, you are too close to that alpaca. [cheers and applause] meanwhile, a tourist has been fined for getting too close to a walrus in norway. "authorities say the man went out onto an ice floe and disturbed the walrus." how did he disturb the walrus? by describing alpaca sex. we'll be right back with john leguizamo!

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he now stars in "the green veil." >> i am more than this. >> that's why i brought abigail into this house so that you'd have something to do. >> i don't need something to do. i need purpose. i need something to be. >> fall into line. >> i have to hear that one more time. >> don't you ever make fun of me again. don't you ever make fun of me again! you don't know what i'm capable of. don't push me. i'm sorry. i just... >> stephen: please welcome back to "the late show," john leguizamo. [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ >> john: how are you doing? whoo!

thank you. what's up, what's up? ooh, water. >> stephen: mister, mister. >> john: yeah, yeah, yeah. what an amazing crowd. how do you get such great people? >> stephen: i pay them. >> john: oh, i've got some cash. >> stephen: mr. leguizamo, always lovely to see you. you are my favorite late-night host ever. >> stephen: you're very kind. thank you very much. much respect for you. you could end up being one of my favorite late-night hosts. because you two weeks ago did a piece on "the daily show" and last year you did a week on "the daily show." >> john: they were making us compete against each other to see who is going to be the host after trevor noah left. they put us all along. i was number two. in the ratings. i didn't think i would have

rated that high. >> stephen: who beat you? >> john: do i have to say? no, of course. i love al franken. al franken was number one. >> stephen: senator al franken. >> i was number two. sarah silverman was number three. >> stephen: what do you think? the water's fine. come on in. >> john: i loved it. you have 25 of the best political writers in america. five of the best producers of that show. it was like driving a ferrari. it was incredible. >> stephen: what was your week? what was happening? >> john: trump got indicted. [laughs] >> stephen: best ratings. no offense. our ratings were pretty good that week too. >> john: thanks for taking the shine off. that might've had a little something to do with it. i thought i crushed it. >> stephen: you did crush it. you also wrote this in the "los angeles times" recently, this was in november. you wrote this opinion piece there. it says "cozying up to trump,

univision is betraying its spanish-speaking viewers." how so? >> john: it's kind of insidious. spanish-speaking only latinos watch univision and that's where they get all their news and information. you should be impartial. you should be nonpartisan. and they're not. it's problematic to me. >> stephen: are they right-wing in some way? >> john: i have spoken off the record with some of the newscasters and they said that they were leaning -- they were pushing them right and they have trump on. they softballed the whole questions. they wouldn't allow biden commercials on. they didn't have biden on for a long, long time. so i had to call them out on it. i called them out. and their marketing people called me back. >> stephen: what did they say? >> john: they said it's not true. you know, we are not really -- we are doing everything we can to be nonpartisan.

i'm like, how are you doing all these things that are not -- that are leaning very maga? you need to be nonpartial otherwise i'm going to call you out again. so i won't be on univision. they have the highest rated spanish language shows. i won't be on "la flaca y la gordo." >> stephen: that's too bad. what does that mean? >> john: the skinny and the fat one. she is skinny and he's heavier. >> stephen: i get the idea. >> john: you're very sharp. you're from the midwest? >> stephen: i'm from south carolina. >> john: even sharper. >> stephen: we're troublemakers. you've talked about the american dream and what it means to latinos. what does it mean to you these days? >> john: the american dream for me always, as a latin man in this country, you know, i saw it and i wanted it but it was not for everybody. i learned early on that it wasn't for everybody.

i saw what happened to my parents, how hard they worked. the opportunities, they just don't come. i saw it early on. i was very idealistic. i believed in meritocracy. i'm at nyu, paying the same as everybody. i'm the only latin guy in these white spaces. db sweeney in my class and andrew mccarthy. you might remember him maybe from "the mannequin." he may not want to be remembered for that movie but that's what i remember. they are going to five auditions a day and i'm going to one every five months. the casting breakdown back then. i don't know if you remember. it came out fridays. it would tell you what roles were available. it was like jim crow. it would say white actors, white doctor, white lawyer, white romantic lead, latin drug dealer. >> stephen: i saw that one. >> john: you better not be trying to take my role from me. it's the only opportunity i had. you would ask your agent, can i be seen for these other roles?

can i try my david mamet monologue? they wouldn't see you at all. i knew my opportunities were never going to be the same. they were just never, no matter how talented i was, no matter how hard i worked. it wasn't going to be equal. >> stephen: but you still have the idealism is what i'm asking >> john: the idealism? >> stephen: i will tell you why i ask. you say that the american dream hasn't always been for everybody. it never was always for everybody. it was for white landowning men originally. and it's only through idealism that it's expanded. >> john: where were you when i was 19 to tell me the stuff? >> stephen: i was auditioning for the white guy parts. >> john: you were are too busy doing too many auditions. >> stephen: we have to do a quick break but don't go nowhere. we'll be right back with more john leguizamo, everybody. stick around. [ growl ] ready for the road trip. everyone comfortable. yep, there's plenty of space. i've even got an extra seat. wait! no, no, no, no, no.

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>> stephen: hey, everybody. we are back here with the star of the new series "the green veil." john leguizamo. now then. [cheers and applause] you've got a six part series on msnbc coming up. you've already done one season. it's called "leguizamo does america." >> john: like "debbie does dallas." >> stephen: i wouldn't know. i don't know. >> john: that's why i'm explaining it to you.

>> stephen: i'm not in that scene. you should think about going to south carolina. >> john: there are no latin people there. >> stephen: i go back now there's two all-spanish radio stations. they are there. >> john: i'm going to go there then. wasn't part of my rice and beans comedy circuit back in the day. >> stephen: how long ago was this? >> john: like five years ago. i just go everywhere -- >> stephen: you made it sound like it was the 1950s when you said that. >> john: like the borscht belt. this was the rice and beans belt. all the latin cities. i go to california, all of texas. all of nevada. you know, everywhere. >> stephen: do you do your act in spanish? >> john: no, english, english. >> stephen: i was just asking, man. >> john: oh, sorry. >> stephen: you didn't have to yell. >> john: i'm a new yorker. i yell everything. we are just loud. the subway going by, the sirens. [cheering] >> stephen: what do you want to

explore with the show? what's it about? >> john: i am looking at latin excellence all across america and i find it. an embarrassment of riches. we are in every city in america. we've been here since at least 1492 and before that. from mississippi to the pacific was all mexico until 1840. so everywhere. doing incredible things. i'm meeting politicians, grassroots organizers, chefs, jams beard nominees and winners. i'm eating the best freakin' food you ever had and gaining pounds that i don't give a... a flying fart. >> stephen: you've got the new show called "the green veil." we saw the clip. what's that about? piece. the director, came to me and aram rappaport. i found in the 1950s the u.s. government would go into that

native american homes, with excuses to take their children from them and put them up for adoption so i couldn't inherit the land, so they could give it to oil companies. this is all true fact. >> stephen: sort of similar to "killers of the flower moon." >> john: this was the government. that wasn't the government. oil people and townspeople killing the native american people. >> stephen: the united states federal? >> john: yes, sir. 1950 to 1980. >> stephen: until 1980 they were taking kids? >> john: yes, sir. yes, sir. we have real testimonials in the series. i don't want to give it away but we have real testimonials. >> stephen: who are you in that? >> john i play an fbi guy, self-hting latin man. self-hating latin indigenous man. perpetrating this horrible crime because he wants to pass for white, and he wants to be accepted by the fbi. he thinks if he does his best job, they're going to promote him and make him king. they don't. they use him and spit him out but he's going in

there and snatching kids. >> stephen: it's called on something called the network. >> john: the network is a brand-new platform that my brother, aram rappaport, and i myself created. nobody else will put this difficult show on the air. about native american people, latin people. it's too hard for them. so we are putting content that nobody else will put on. >> stephen: how do i get the network? >> john: the network.stream. it's an app, website. >> stephen: i just put that in and i'll find it? >> john: yes. boom, the green veil. eight episodes. >> stephen: what else will i get? >> john: every quarter, we release two shows, very curated. the next show is steve coogan's show. >> stephen: he's fantastic. >> john: he's incredible. iwth paul rudd, john c. reilly. it's about cancel culture. another edgy show. it's a comedy. >> stephen: how often do you put out new shows? >> john: every quarter. >> stephen: when are you getting the skinny and the fat one? i hear that's a very popular

show. >> john: they are not letting me get a piece of that. >> stephen: john, thank you so much. >> john: what a pleasure. >> stephen: "the green veil" is available on the new streaming service the network.stream. go find it! john leguizamo, everybody! we'll be right back with cnn's laura coates. talenti mango sorbetto is made with a hundred percent real fruit. -with alphonso mangoes. -yeah, i know. -oh? -right? -mmm-hmm. talenti. raise the jar. (bell ringing) someone needs to customize and save hundreds with liberty mutual! (inaudible sounds) (elevator doors opening) wait, there's an elevator? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, ♪ ♪ liberty. ♪ feeling sluggish or weighed down? could be a sign that your digestive system isn't at its best. but a little metamucil everyday can help. metamucil's psyllium fiber gels to trap

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>> stephen: hey, everybody. welcome back. ladies and gentlemen, my next guest is the chief legal analyst for cnn and the anchor of "laura coates live." please welcome to "the late show," laura coates. [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ >> laura: oh, wow. hi. >> stephen: nice to have you on. >> laura: thank you. i'm so happy. >> stephen: i've never had you on before. it's nice to talk. i like talking to our friends over at cnn about the events of the day. have you done late-night shows before? >> laura: i have done a few, my own sometimes. >> stephen: your news channel. it's a little bit different. you are on from 11:00 to 12:00. >> laura: don't tell cnn because i'm supposed to be in the bathroom right now i told them. >> stephen: i want to talk about how you got into this gig.

you were in private practice as a lawyer, then a federal prosecutor. for how long? >> laura: don't ask my age. hold on a second. what's getting ready to happen? >> stephen: you started at age nine? >> laura: i did. i was there for five years as a federal prosecutor in washington, d.c., and before that, i was in private practice in minnesota and also manhattan. i don't know why i said the state of minnesota and then manhattan like it was its own place. but minnesota and manhattan. >> stephen: about the same population. >> laura: sure. >> stephen: it's true. >> laura: yeah, don't ya know? >> stephen: federal prosecutors, they seem like a serious bunch. we hear about them a lot because of various trials going on. >> laura: i've heard. >> stephen: it is a high pressure, hypertension, pulling pulling out your hair?

>> laura: it's the kind of job you are expected to be perfect, you're expected to be perfect. there's not the infinite amount of resources but there is the weight, can you imagine your name on the other side of the "united states versus." we have a presumption of innocence. people think to themselves they wouldn't charge you if you hadn't done something. you have to uphold not only your position as a prosecutor to be fair, but really you are the lawyer on behalf of the jurisdiction and also the defendant. that person's rights matter has as much as the person and the community you're prosecuting on behalf of. >> stephen: you have enormous resources. when the feds are coming for you make a deal. because they'll never run out of resources. there might be reasons why the case is called off, but they can just keep going. >> laura: and yet i could never get two legal pads in the same week. [laughs] ever. >> stephen: you became cnn's chief legal analyst. now you've got your own show. how was the transition from law to the media? >> laura: i thought i had big

personalities to deal with in a court room but then i joined the media. behind the scenes, there's a whole different level of personality that takes place. a lot of people feel -- i will just leave it there. [laughs] 'cause i've got to go to work. >> stephen: we all know anderson cooper is a monster. >> laura: [laughs] i mean, man. >> stephen: let's talk about this hush money trail. we hear a lot about it. we talk about it a lot. there's no camera inside. it's not quite as arresting as an o.j. trial. you got to see that every day. break down the basic argument on both sides. >> laura: the basics are this: both sides are kind of framing it incorrectly. the prosecution is saying -- >> stephen: says the former >> laura: they say it's a hush money trail. the other side says it's a shakedown. in reality, it's about transparency. you want to know as a voter you have the information to make an informed decision and vote. if someone is trying to

undermine the opportunity to do so, you ought to know about it. that's what this case is about. it's somebody have information or make a campaign contribution or try to prevent the public from knowing information they otherwise would've wanted to know before they voted. >> stephen: some people. [applause] is it that the things that david pecker, the "national enquirer" did for trump were unregistered campaign contributions? is that part of the crime? >> laura: the idea, i want your story, i'm going to buy the rights. i want no one else to hear it. i have a reason. i may never publish it. that's the catch and kill. tat happens frankly all the time. what doesn't happen is that you do it in a way to try to prevent having to report a campaign contribution. there are limits to that. if you do not report that, the crime is that you are shielding something. you're hiding something. the trick here is going to be whether you can prove why they did it. was it just because he was trying to prevent his family from knowing?

he says "i am a family man and i would never cheat on my wife." [laughter] you can say that. >> stephen: this is an impartial jury of new yorkers right there. >> laura: there's that. the prosecution is going to say no, you were doing it because he was trying to do it for the benefit of the campaign and even if that's a little bit true, that's enough. >> stephen: we talk a lot about him falling asleep. it's so exciting. when he is someplace where he can't hide every so often and have another burger break, he falls asleep like any 78-year-old man would. we, as we said tonight, his lawyers seem concerned about that. everything short of poking him with a hot stick to keep him awake. if you were the lawyer, would you be concerned about the client being asleep? what is the downside of him catching some zzzs? >> laura: he can't possibly

pretend that he is woke. [cheers and applause] what's he going to do? [laughter] >> stephen: another big story in the legal world. the new york court of appeals, the highest court here in new york, has overturned harvey weinstein's 2020 conviction in new york on felony sex charges. was that surprising to you? you say there might be some implication for that in the trump case? >> laura: it's a really fascinating split screen. whenever you're trying to prove your case, you sometimes want to bring information about the person that might not been charged before. it's called a prior bad act. i want to bring it up to show people that you've got out m.o. situation. i want to bring it into show the jury it wasn't just a one off. this is what's being done. you have to be careful when you do that if you bring in, say for harvey weinstein's case, multiple people who have accused him of the same thing, that are not the actual victim that's

alleged in this crime, you run the risk of showing this person must've done this because they had done other bad things. if you're in a relationship with someone and you're having an argument, you have to fight about what the fight is about. you can't bring up everything else. >> stephen: i took the garbage out. >> laura: i know, but we are talking about making dinner, baby. that seems very close to home. sorry, hold on. it was a whole thing on tuesday. the point is you got to fight about what the fight is about. if you bring in everything else, what are we fighting about? is it that i'm a bad person are they actually committed the crime. for the trump case they got to be careful about how much they bring in about the m.o. are you talking about a falsified business record or are you talking about catch and kill stories more broadly? you've got to prove not just a bad actor but that they committed this crime. >> stephen: laura, thank you so much for being here. >> laura: thank you so much. >> stephen: "laura coates live" airs weeknights on cnn. laura coates, everybody. we'll be right back.

>> stephen: good night! ♪ ♪