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begin a crucial week on the 2024 campaign trail. it's hot outside and in some cases, getting hotter, but that sentiment can be applied to a lot more than just the heat as the stakes for the great presidential re-match of 2024 get higher, too. with the first presidential debate just days away, we are seeing the candidates prepare in two very different ways. >> when you say prep, i think this is prepping. >> donald trump was out and about on the campaign trail in philadelphia saturday checking out the cheesesteaks at a local sandwich shop and teasing reporters about his running mate pick. >> do you know who your vice president is? >> in my mind, yeah. >> do they know? no. nobody knows. >> how is debate prep going? >> president biden is off the trail and away from cameras and voters preparing at the camp david presidential retreat. we'll look at some of the key issues facing the candidates,

abortion, immigration and national security with guests including new mexico democratic governor michelle luann grisham, former trump security adviser robert o brien and senior national security contributor michael morell. plus our new cbs poll tells us what the under 30 voters are looking for this fall and our listening to america segment is a snapshot of the battleground states that you won't want to miss. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with an update on the heat dome covering much of the country. roughly 100 million americans are living under a heat advisory today. mark strassman has more from atlanta. >> especially in the northeast, sunday's heat will feel hellish.

>> the best thing that i can tell you, don't come outside. >> potentially record-setting temperatures definitely dangerous. >> the heat, it is being felt from the ohio valley all of the way into the mid atlantic. 98 today in d.c. will feel like 104. >> it's too hot today. too hot. definitely. it's difficult to walk around. >> we are barely into summer, yet noaa says there's a 100% chance 2024 will bemo the top five warmest years on record, and a 50% chance it becomes the hottest ever. parts of new mexico feel hellish and they look it. >> thank god we're safe and -- >> we have somewhere. there are a lot of people that don't have anywhere to go. >> twin wildfir contained have charred more than 24,000 acres. hundreds of homes destroyed, thousands evacuated and two people killed.

these are images of ruidoso. this village, an outdoor paradise in ruins. >> everything they've worked for lost in a matter of seconds is very devastating. >> also devastating, widespread flash flooding and an outgrowth of the wildfires and heavy rain. flooding and mountains of muck can push over land scarred by the fires. >> i've never seen anything like it in my entire life. it was absolutely the most scariest thing i've ever seen. >> that was mark strassman reporting from atlanta. we turn now to new mexico, governor michelle luann grisham, she joins us this morning from santa fe. good morning to you, governor. >> good morning, margaret. thank you for having me on this morning. >> i know president biden did issue that emergency declaration for your state due to the fires, but you also had a 200-mile long dust storm, catastrophic flooding. what problems are most acute and what do you need? >> well, we want to continue an open door for federal resources.

fema is incredible on the ground in an emergency. they bring personnel and they open the door for direct, monetary assistance to the state and more importantly, the individuals. fema administrator dan griswald was on the ground actually in ruidoso yesterday and i have to say the biden administration has really pushed through these emergency declarations quickly so that we can get families back on their feet, but it's been a hell of a week here, margaret, between dust, heat, flooding. these are not the only evacuations. we've got flooding evacuations in the north where the largest wildfire in the history of the united states, one of the largest wildfires in the history of the u.s., it's been really tough on new mexicans, and i'm grateful to every first responder who puts them first and stands up to make sure

they're as safe as we can make them. >> and i know all of us wish your state residents well as they deal with all of that. you are a border state. i wonder if all of this excessive heat is affecting the migrants crossing in from mexico? >> so we haven't seen the kind of surges outside of the ports of entry that folks in other states have seen. now that's not to indicate at all that that doesn't still have some risk. we haven't seen heat-related issues for asylum seekers. certainly not in this first six months, but your point is valid. there have, in fact, been multiple deaths along the new mexico border years past and particularly texas and california borders from extreme heat, but right now we're focused on the security aspects announced by the biden administration which are very

important for states like new mexico to have more folks at ports of entry where risks are present every day to really focus on human trafficking, drugs,uns and other contraband, and i really appreciate the president's investment in more border matt. >> but it sounds like you could even use more than that. i know y were here in washington with the president when he signed that executive order that restricted the ability to claim asylum for those crossingn between ports of entry. some of your fellow democrats were very critical of that saying it undermines american values. why are they wrong? >> they're not wrong. frankly, the president did a balanced approach when he's creating protections and work opportunities for undocumented families, part of a legal right, a u.s. citizen is married to

someone who is undocumented or has other extended family members and daca recipients and dreamers can now get protections. here's what i think he did. >> that was a new measure this past week. >> oh the new measure. so what the security -- i need security first and foremost. you can't protect everybody else and make no mistake, new mexico, just like everywhere else around the country suffers from the number of drugs, guns and related nefarious issues that are exacerbated by not having people in the right places at the border. i also appreciate that he did something about all these other families. >> but -- that's a different issue for those folks who have been living here in a decade and livin married to an american.

the aclu is trying to sue theed bient administration saying this is legally identical to the trump ban they blocked in 2019. does that bother you? >> well, it bothers me that that's the point of view that they're taking and certainly understand that they will do any number of challenges and litigation. here is the issue. we're not separating families. we're making it very clear, you can come through a port of entry. i have a president, that unlike congress including when i was in congress, that is willing to focus on security, fairness whether that's in one or two different decisions and creating, i hope, a pathway for congress to stop listening to a candidate who continues to try to score political points instead of solve problems for states like mine and american families. he's doing both. >> you have been a very vocal advocate, i should say, for reproductive health access.

this week marks two years since roe versus wade was struck down and yet in 2023 america had the highest abortion number and abortion rate in over a decade. why do you think there are more abortions happening at a time when there is decreased access. >> well, i think there are more abortions happening because more women are at risk which means they can't get into a provider, they can't get prenatal care. you have providers who are worried about prosecutions and any number of other issues that interfere with their ability to provide care. less access to contraceptives, less information about public health and less ability to get to your primary care physician. most families and women live 86 miles from a provider. you create a draconian situation you will increase risk at every

single place and this is a state that's clear about protecting women and creating equality, but that's what i believe is the genesis of this situation. >> all right. governor, good luck as you deal with all those emergencies in your state. we'll be tracking them. "face the nation kw" will be ba in a minute. stay with us. i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis.

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would do if china invaded taiwan. i wonder if you would advise him to have u.s. military forces defend it? >> well, i think that's always been the policy of the american government. it's ambiguity and we don't tell the chinese how we'll react to their actions, but the key thing, margaret is peace through strength. if we have a strong navy, if we move our soldiers and marines out of europe and germany where they are garrisoned and put them in guam, hawaii and the philippines and australia where we have marines already and that sends a strong message to the chinese not to invade. the key is to deter war and not to fight and win a war, and we need to deter the chinese and communist party from taiwan in the first place which we failed to do in russia and ukraine. so strength will deter the chinese from invading and it's not talk. it's how they see our forced

posture. >> the largest contingent of all overseas u.s. military forces is in east asia and the pacific already. the you're calling to send the entire marine corps to asia. when mr. trump was president -- sorry, go ahead. >> the fighting forces of the marine corps and we have pendelton and camp lejeune and logistics, but like world war ii when asha was key for us, we should have the marines in asia and the navy and army in europe and the rest of the world and the marines are suiteded for the indo-pacific and we should have them there to deter the chinese. we don't want a war. moving the marine corps in the pacific and moving a battle group to the pacific would show the strength to deter war. >> you're not moving all 170,000 marines to asia, but some of them, too. >> no. correct. >> so when mr. trump was

president, though, he publicly pressed multiple times for the u.s. to withdraw the 28,000 u.s. troops that are in our treaty ally, south korea. he also threatened to pull out of japan, and i wonder if you think that threatening to pull out of asian, allied countries like that shows daylight in a way that emboldens china. >> no. what president trump was trying to do is we need our allies to step up. america can't do this align. the american taxpayer can't deter china alone. and president trump made sure the south koreans and european allies had paid their fair share. >> they were already helping to pay for some of the costs relating to housing those troops in their country. >> some, but not enough. the american taxpayers have a

massive federal deficit and inflation at home and burdens here in america, so we need our allies to step up to the plate and participate. we pay almost 4% of our gdp for defense. south korea's is coming up higher. japan is coming up higher and it's a dreirect result of president trump and his tough n negotiations and tough policy. i i do i don't look at a negotiated rhetoric. >> at a time when you're look at a more aggress of china, threatening to pull out u.s. troops would seem to backfire on your ultimate strategic intent. >> the strategic intent is to be as strong as possible with asia and we got there with trump and it will go up back with president trump when he returns in six months because when the japanese are engaged and the south koreans are engaged and the australians are engaged and all of these countries have raised their defense spending significantly because of president trump and europe, as

well and that didn't start under biden. that started under president trump that makes us stronger against china. sometimes you have to show tough love to your allies and sometimes with family members, sometimes you have to be tough with the family members. >> they're not going to divide the allies and they'll make sure that the allies pay their fair share. >> what will donald trump do to provide the access? the new alliance that we are really seeing grow between russia, iran, china and north korea. vladimir putin was just driving around with north korea with kim jong-un this past week. >> that's a great question, margaret and that alliance has gotten stronger with the biden administration because of no leadership. the first thing we have to do is increase the energy production in america and these countries are relying on russian energy to run their countries. we need to increase our energy production. we need to sanction the russian central bank which larry kudlow and i called upon for him to do

before the invasion of ukraine and cut back on oil sales and we have to put pressure on the iranians who are causing so much trouble throughout the middle east and that is some of the stuff we can take and rebuild our military and rebuild our navy and get the shipyards to produce ships again and that will be this axis of evil. >> it's getting harder to sa■nction when russia is protecting some of tse rogue states and chin■r too,ut on russia, during the first trump administration the president then argued he was going to pull out at least 10,000 of the 35,000 u.s. troops stationed in u.s. allied germany. you wrote an op-ed at the time arguing in defense of that and saying that keeping troops in europe was an obsolete cold war practice. do you think in hindsight that helped embolden vladimir putin? >> no. what we did with vladimir putin is we stopped the nord stream pipeline and that was the

objective was to get that pipeline built and develop dominance over western europe and we stopped it. the first thing president biden did was he opened the nord stream 2 pipeline and canceled the pipeline to former diminish energy production. >> the invasion of ukraine ultimately killed that. >> it killed it because biden opened the pipelie again and russia took that as a green light to invade ukraine along with afghanistan. germany is no longer a front line state and we have too many troops garrisoned in germany and we need to move the troops to the front line to poland and the czech republic and slovakia, and we need to move the american territories in the pacific like guam, hawaii and the aleutian islands and alaska. it doesn't help us. >> john bolden and mark esper

have a different account at that time, saying you supported pulling out and bringing people back to the u.s., but on the campaign trail right now donald trump is talking about ukraine a lot and he said, apparently, according to the hungarian prime minister viktor orban that he won't give a penny to ukraine if he's reelected and by cutting off that money that will end the war. that sounds like that would be ending the war in russia's favor. , doesn't it? ? >> keep in mind, margaret, we're the first administration to give lethal aid to the ukrainians, the javelin missiles which sought the russian invasion to start with, and i give the biden administration for giving it, but it was too little too late. we have to bring vladimir putin to the table and put massive sanctions on the russians so we can have a negotiated peace treaty. we have to stop the killing of ukraine and stop the killing of

russians and we need peace in the world and our weakness, too little too late telling the ukrainians telling them they can have some weapons and not others and none of that is helping the of leadership under the biden administration. trump will get this settled quickly. >> thank you for your time. it was an interesting read. we'll leave it there and be back in a moment. awkward question... is there going to be anything left... —left over? —yeah. oh, absolutely. (inner monologue) my kids don't know what they want. you know who knows what she wants? me!

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attacks here at home, but now on top of that increasingly concerning is the potential for a coordinated attack here in the homeland, not unlike the isis k attack we saw at the russia concert hall back march. >> that's chilling. the white house says the president is briefed regularly on threats. if that is true, do you think he's doing enough? >> hard for me to say what he's doing enough because a lot of what needs to be done we wouldn't see publicly. what i would say is i ran into a lot of current intelligence officers and current policymakers after we published the article the response was almost universal in we're glad you wrote this. it's really important. i read that as maybe there's a lack of a sense of urgency here, and that's really important. >> a lack of sense of urgency

among members of the public or the government? >> the administration. yeah. and congress, quite frankly. there needs to be a sense of urgency about this, and i think the american public needs to understand what the threat is. that's why we called for a public, congressional hearing just on the terrorist threats to the homeland, not a hearing on threats broadly, but threats to the homeland, and then we need to hear what the administration is doing about this in a broad sense, right? not the details, but in a broad sense. >> i asked the chair of the house intelligence committee, republican mike turner about exactly your proposal and he dismissed it. he said we've covered that. >> he said we covered it. they haven't. >> he called for declassifying. basically, the information that feeds those vetting lists, the watch lists, is dependent on how much good intelligence is

collected and that has been underresourced. do you agree with that? >> i agree with that 100%. we've shift red sources from the counter terrorism community to the china community and that's understandable to some degree. it's been significant. so i think there's a cost to the intelligence we're collecting. the vetting system beyond not having the information -- the vetting system does not provide all of the information that the government has. there was just a dhs inspector general report that outlined all of the problems with the vetting system. so it's lack of information and then the system itself. >> and we have it on a graphic. the report says customs and border protection could not access all federal data necessary to enable complete screening and vetting of non-citizens seeking admissions into the united states. this is the government saying we can't vet everyone properly. >> right. >> and customs and border doesn't have the technology, right, to even connect. there are all sorts of issues here that need to be resolved. >> stay with us.

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conversation with cbs news senior national security contributor mike morell. mike, i want to ask you about some video that cbs broadcast earlier this week. "60 minutes" obtained it. it's saudi national omar al bayoumi walking the capitol in 1999. it was shot within 09 days of the at the time when senior al qaeda planners were deciding on 9/11 targets according to the fbi. at the time you were at the cia. we know now the fbi identified this man, al bayoumi as an intelligence operative with close ties to two of the 9/11 hijackers, but in that 9/11 commission report it said there was no credible evidence that he was a violent extremist or aided extremists. now that you have seen this video, what do you think it reveals? >> no doubt in my mind that it is a casing video, that it is a

casing video for some sort of terrorist attack. number one. number two, pretty clear to me that al bayoumi was either working for al qaeda or was al qaeda. did he know about the 9/11 attacks? probably not. did he know that the two individuals he was interacting with were 9/11 hijackers? probably not, but no doubt in my mind that al qaeda tasked him to do this casing video. the video is chilling. it's chilling in terms of what he was -- what he was videotaping. his narration over the top of it which is part -- which tells you it was a casing video, and his -- his extremist comments. let me just give you two examples, margaret, on the casing part at one point he says i will get over there -- he's looking at the washington monument. i will get over there and i will

report to you in detail what is there. he's talking to somebody, right? >> not like a tourist would. >> not like a tourist video. and in terms of the extremism he's looking at the capitol and he says they say that our kids are demons. however, these are the demons. what he's looking at. >> so the fbi concluded he was not a threat. the 9/11 commission report concluded he was not a threat. you are saying it's clear he was al qaeda and living under the noses and examination of law enforcement undetected. he's now living in saudi arabia as we speak. that's pretty -- that's a pretty big oversight by u.s. law enforcement and intelligence. did the cia know about this video? >> we did not. i'm 99.9% confident that we did not have this video. i was the president's briefer at the time. if someone had shown me this video i would have shown it to

the president. >> it was, as i understand it, uk official, uk intelligence that scooped up this video. >> so -- so when he left the united states he went to the uk, and after -- after 9/11 the fbi discovered that he had signed -- helped two 9/11 hijackers get their first apartment, and the fbi learned that. they learned that he was in the uk so they go to the uk government and they say -- they share all this information. the british government arrests him, detains him, interrogates him and gets all of this material. they say they provided it back to the fbi. >> and it just stayed at the fbi. >> it looks that way. >> a lot more to come on this including on "60 minutes" in the fall. thank you very much for your analysis. >> you're welcome. >> we'll be right back.

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with our cbs news polling showing a dead heat in the presidential contest, voters under the age of 30 could prove decisive. that's potentially 25 to 30 million votes depending on hether or not they . our tireless polling unit has been serving these young voters to see what their mood is like in 2024 and by most measures they say it is tough going out there especially when they compare their generation to previous ones. 82% of young americans say it's harder for them to buy a home. more than three-quarters of young voters think raising a family will be more difficult. seven in ten say it's harder to get a good job and six in ten think it's harder to start a business. joining us now is our executive director of elections and surveys, anthony salvanto. anthony, what made you focus in to this generation? how are they different? >> well, we'll look at all of

the key groups in this election, but i wanted to start with this one. they've been tested in their lies. this is a generation, the younger part of them who worry in high school and college during the lockdowns and most tell us that interrupted their education. they also look back and say they were more concerned about gun violence during those years than older generations, but what's really interesting here is they are also feeling like the older generation has handed them, has left them a world that's more dangerous and a climate that's worse and that motivates a lot of the issues that they care about. having said that, margaret. you can look at polling from the '60s when the baby boomers were the young generation from the '90s when there was gen x and there have been gaps in america and for this generation today, they are the most racially diverse generation that the country has ever seen and that

comes out in their politics, too. they tell us politics would be better not just with more young people in it, but also with more minority voices in politics and more women in elected office and they feel that way much more so than the oldest generation does. >> so they have all this frustration. what are they going to do about it? are they going to vote? >> that is the key question, for all of the concerns that we just laid out, they don't vote and they don't say they're going to vote as often as the older generation does. >> it's difficult, isn't it? >> well, it is in that way. so you've got about two-thirds of them who say this year they're definitely going to vote and you have all of the folks over 65 who say they'll definitely vote. part of the factor here is age and how they see the candidates. they think that the candidates being the ages that they are cannot relate and understand the issues that pertain to young people and they're also a little more disappointed in their choices. what's key about that is when young people say they're

disappointed in their choices, they are less likely to vote, but for older folks even when they're disappointed in their choices they still turn out. so that motivation is going to be a key question, and i'll button it up with this, they are leaning towards joe biden. in fact, they're voting for joe biden, and the ones who will vote in about the same numbers that they did, that young people did in 2020, but it's that turnout dynamic and the relative lack of turnout that's really going to be a key thing to watch in this group for the campaign. >> so what makes them start to view the ballot box as a way to change what they're frustrated about? are there issues that would make them say okay, i will drive and cast a vote or i will drop that vote in the mail. >> so big differences are, big on the economy which everybody cares about. they're more likely to point to issues like abortion, to point at climate and climate change which i mentioned earlier and

also race and diversity issues as being important relative to what older generations say. in all those things, those accrue to joe biden, the people who care about those issues are voting for joe biden which underpins some of his support, but having said that, they don't always -- they aren't paying as much attention to the campaign and a substantial portion of them aren't sure what the candidates would do on those issues and there's a substantial portion that joe biden would do on abortion. now what's important about that is that means when we watch this campaign going forward, can the candidates, not just motivate them, but also inform them about what they would do so that they can make ostensibly, a more informed choice. >> anthony salvanto, thank you. we'll be back in a moment.

friday evening we spoke with six voters evenly split between who they're going to vote for from four of the seven battleground states and the conversation was a feisty one with the participants veering frequently to former president trump. one of the few things they all agreed on was that this election

is critically important. >> it is critical because of the state of our nation. there's so much going on. border security, infiltration by people that could cause extreme harm to our country, the economy and the weakness of our current administration on the national >> what do you mean by infiltration? >> because of our open borders i feel very strongly that there have been people coming in because nobody's being vetted, nobody's asking questions, and i think we are being infiltrated by people that could cause another 9/11, very honestly. >> we see these numbers of illegals crossing the border and we're not talking about central

and south america. we're seeing haitians. we're seeing chinese. we're seeing central africans. we're seeing arab nation immigrants come across or not immigrants, but illegal immigrants come across. so this -- it looks like an invasion of some sort. >> both parties recognize that broken immigration system, there is a concern about a terror threat, but you're talking about this as if it is a choice to allow for these risks. why do you think that that is a choice versus a tough situation america finds itself in? >> because day one the current president biden was elected, he immediately by the stroke of a

pen undid everything that president trump had done in closing the border. we had security at the border. we were vetting the people that were wanting to come in, and with the stroke of a pen, day one, he opened the border. he opened the doors without any vetting process, so it was his choice. he has to take responsibility for that, he and his administration. >> you do know that there is vetting that border officials do when they counter someone -- >> they don't. >> they do. i've been to the federal facilities, when someone is detained and when they are captured and when they cross illegally they are taken into federal custody and those agents do vet people. the success of that vetting may be in question. the efficacy of it, but they are. if someone sneaks in undetected then they're definitely not vetted. have you heard from either

candidate like a specific vision on how to fix the issue you see with the border? >> i've heard from donald trump that he wants to shoot people when they cross. that's what i've heard. >> i've not heard that tat all. >> i believe the border is a crisis. it is. what is the solution if we can't get together and decide on a solution to the problem how are we going to solve the problem? >> i agree with that. >> jeremy, i see you raising your hand. jump in. >> two things, just to dispel a myth. if you look at statistically, the number of crimes committed in the united states, the highest is a much higher number by native white citizens, that is a fact. the second thing is that the number of illegal crossings has remained roughly the same. i have driven past the border,

arizona, california, new mexico many times, and you can't drive, you know, a mile, a mile and a half without seeing a border patrol vehicle agent. there are people there. they are doing their job. >> how many of you plan to watch the presidential debate on thursday. raise your hand if you're going to watch. >> do any of you feel that you could be persuaded by these candidates to vote for the other one? if donald trump says something really compelling would you switch from joe biden or vice versa? >> i would follow whoever was worth listening to. >> donald trump said he would be dictator. >> i don't think you can take their words literal anymore. it's political theater and comedy and there's entertainment value there to be had. >> yeah. >> that is indeed for sure.

>> so none -- >> donald trump means it when he says he wants to be a dictator. he means it. >> i know he wants revenge, as well. >> so if i can jump in here, it's a show. he is from new york. he is a show man. he may be a blow hard and he may say things, but in the end, he knows how good this country has been to him in making him a success. so the things that he says he basically listen with one ear and goes in one ear and goes out the other and you try to go through the weeds to find out what really is going on. >> that's so interesting you say that, that you put aside what he says. do you have kids? >> yes. i have two sons who are in the air force. >> it's sort of opposite of how you parent, right? you probably don't tell your

boys say whatever. you probably held them to account when they said something that they shouldn't have said. why do you think you view this man who is going to be potentially commanding your sons into the battlefield to a different standard? >> i don't hold him to a different standard. i'm not saying i appreciate or even like the type of stuff that sometimes comes out of his mind. his show "the apprentice," you know, again, he had to be a show man. so does that make it right? no. i don't agree with that at all. however, we've had four years with him. a lot of us liked what he did for our country, but that doesn't mean we like the things he said or how he sometimes acted. >> a huge part of the reason why for voting for trump is economics and inflation. >> so raise your hand if any of you feel that you are better off

today than you were four years ago. >> i see you there with your hand up, jeremy. you want to weigh in? >> yeah. one of the things that people often forget is that american consumer spending has been rising even in relation to inflation. wages have been soaring high along with it. some say that might have caused part of the inflation problem. i raised my hand about being better off four years ago because my employer has given significant raises across the board to everyone, and i guess i don't mind the things with the inflationary prices, if i pay an extra 20 cents a pound for asparagus, i think i'll live. it just depends on individual

circumstances. >> yeah because in this economy anybody that wants a job can get one and that's a fact. anybody that wants to work can get a job now. >> raise your hand if any of you think about, for example, the state of our democracy. does that concern you and is that a reason that you would, wow -- you are ump jijumping ri it, marlene. i didn't finish the sentence. what's going on? >> donald trump does not want what's good for america. he does not want democracy. he wants to have everything his way. he wants to place people in power that will do whatever he says this time. if he wants so and so to be in the just because they're going to do whatever he says then he's going to go after all of his political opponents even if they haven't done anything wrong, he's going to have complete control and that's what he

wants. so the same can be said about president biden. he forced all of the car manufacturers to convert to evs and now they did it because they had no choice. they were going to be penalized if they didn't and now they're finally pushing back and saying no. there's no sales for these vehicles. >> lidia, do you think somebody is making you buy a car? >> yeah. i'm not buying an ev. >> by 2030. >> i think that comment -- >> he's made it mandatory. >> americans won't be required to drive electric vehicles. the car manufacturers, was there a goal set for the transition to happen, but americans won't be required and car manufacturers will still make combustion engines, too. does everyone here trust their state government to fairly and safely administer the upcoming presidential election? >> i do. >> lidia, you believe the state of georgia will administer your

election fairly? >> well, there's been a lot of changes since the last election. >> you don't think they did in 2020? >> i -- 50/50. >> i, too, am from georgia, and i agree. the election is going to be correct in georgia. >> i think the concerning thing is that in most areas the population is split almost so evenly that it really doesn't take a lot to tip the balance one way or the other, and i guess, just here in the state of wisconsin i don't have 100% confidence in dane county and madison or in milwaukee where it matters where at 10:00 p.m. when you go to bed on election night it looks like one thing and ballots are magically found overnight. it doesn't give you that sense of confidence. >> so will all of you stand by the 2024 election results?

show of hands. and do all of you expect your preferred candidate to accept the 2024 election results? [ laughter ] tony, you were, like, i don't know. >> i can't speak for what someone's going to do. >> yeah. >> we pretty much already said he's not going to accept it if he loses. >> donald trump, 78. joe biden, 81. does anyone think that older age is an asset? >> there's some benefit to wisdom, experience. i think you have to question fitness, ability, cognitive ability. and this is not a criticism. age is what it is. you can't top it. it can't be helped. >> the joe biden we've got in the past two years especially two years has been a definite

decline -- >> i hear what you guys are saying. you're acting like he's fumbling around on stage. >> half of the people in this group say that anything donald trmp says it's garbage. we don't want to listen to him. whatever, but we don't even get to the opportunity to what joe biden says. he walks away. no transparency or here's what i think about this so what's worse? someone not worth listening to or not even being able to hear the message? >> the full hour of our conversation can be seen on our website and our youtube channel. we'll be right back.

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