i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation," excessive heat blankets the country as we begin a crucial week on the 2024

campaign trail. it's hot outside and in some cases, getting hotter. but that sentiment can be applied to a lot more than just the heat, as the stakes for the great presidential rematch of 2024 get higher too. with the first presidential debate just days away, we're seeing the candidates prepare into very different ways. >> when you say prep, i think this is prepping. >> donald trump was out and about on the campaign field on saturday checking us out the cheese steaks at a local sandwich shop and teasing reporters about his local running mate pick. >> in my mind yeah. >> do they know? >> nobody knows. >> how is debate prep going? >> president biden is off the trail and away from cameras and voters preparing for thursday's debate at the camp david presidential retreat. we'll look at some of the key issues facing the candidates, abortions, immigration, and

national security, with new mexico governor michelle lujan-grisham, former adviser robert o'brien and national contributor michael more. our new cbs poll tells us what the under 30 voters are looking for this fall. are our listening to america segment is a snapshot of the battleground states you won't want to miss. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with an update on the heat dome covering much of the country. roughly 100 million americans are living under a heat advisory today. mark strassmann has more from atlanta. >> reporter: especially in the northeast, sunday's heat will

feel hellish. >> best thing i can tell you don't come outside. >> reporter: potentially record-setting temperatures definitely dangerous. >> the heat is being felt from the ohio valley to the mid-atlantic. >> it's too hot today. too hot. definitely. it's difficult to walk around. >> we're barry into summer, yet noaa says there's a 100% chance 2024 will be among the top five warmest years on record, and a 50% chance it becomes the hottest ever. parts of new mexico feel hellish and they look it. >> thank god we're safe and -- >> we have somewhere. >> there's a lot of people that don't have anywhere to go. >> reporter: twin wildfires only partially contained ha have charred 24,000 acres, hundreds of homes destroyed, thousands evacuated and two killed. these are images of rio is dshgs ios, an outdoor paradise in

ruins. >> everything they worked for their entire lives lost in a matter of second. it's very devastating. >> reporter: also potentially devastating here, widespread flash flooding, an outgrowth of the wildfires and heavy rain. flooding and mountains of muck could push over land, scarred by the fires. >> i've never seen anything like it in my entire life. it was absolutely the most scariest thing i've ever seen. >> that was mark strassmann reporting from atlanta. we turn to new mexico governor michelle lujan-grisham. she joins us this morning from santa fe. good morning to you, governor. >> good morning, margaret. thank you for having me on this morning. >> i know president biden did issue that emergency declaration for your state due to the fires, but you also had a 200 mile long dust storm catastrophic flooding. what problems are most acute and what do you need? >> well, we want to continue the open door for federal resources. fema is incredible on the ground

in an emergency. they bring personnel and they open the door for federal direct monetary assistance to the state and more importantly, to individuals. fema administrator dan griswold was on the ground in riodioso yesterday and i have to say the biden administration has really pushed through these emergency declarations quickly, so that we can get families back on their feet. but it's been a hell of a week here. margaret, between dust, heat, flooding, these are not the only evacuations. we've got flooding evacuations in the north where the largest wildfire in the history of the united states, one of the largest wildfires in the history of the u.s., it's been really tough on new mexicans. i'm grateful to every first responder who puts them first and stands up to make sure they're as safe as we can make

them. >> i know all of us wish your state residents well, as they deal with all of that. you are a border state. i wonder if all of this excessive heat is affecting the migrants crossing in from mexico? >> so we haven't seen the kind of surges outside of the ports of entry that folks in other states have seen. that's not to indicate at all that that doesn't still have some risk, but we haven't seen heat-related issues for asylum seekers. certainly not in this first six months. but your point is very valid. there have, in fact, been multiple deaths along the new mexico border in years past and particularly texas and california borders from extreme heat, but right now, we're focused on the security aspects announced by the biden administration, which are very important for states like new

mexico, to have more folks at ports of entry where risks are present every day to really focus on human trafficking, drugs, guns, and other contraband, and i really appreciate the president's investment in more border security where it matters. >> but sounds like you could even use more than that. i know you were here in washington with the president when he signed that executive order that restricted the ability to claim asylum for those crossing in between ports of entry. you know, some of your fellow democrats were very critical of that, saying it undermines american values. why are they wrong? >> they're not wrong. i mean, frankly, the president then did a balanced approach. when he's creating protections and work opportunities for undocumented families, part of a legal right, a u.s. citizen is married to someone who is

undocumented or has other extended family members and daca recipients and dreamers can now get protections, here's what i think he did -- >> that was a new measure this past week. >> oh, the new measures. the security, i need security first and foremost. you can't protect everybody else and make no mistake, new mexico just like everywhere else around the country, suffers from the number of drugs, guns, and related nefarious issues that are exacerbated by not having people in the right places at the border. i also appreciate that he did something about all these other families. >> right. but that's a different issue for those folks who have been living here a decade and married to an american, that was that effort the president signed off on this past week. when it comes to the executive order, the acl u is trying to sue the biden administration saying that this was legally

identical to the trump ban that they blocked back in 2019. does that bother you? >> i don't -- well, it bothers me that's the point of view they're taking. certainly understand we're going to do any number of challenges and litigation, but here is the issue, we're not separating families. we're making it really clear you can come through a port of entry. i have a president that, unlike congress, including when i was in congress, that is willing to focus on security, fairness, whether that's one are two different decisions, and creating, i hope, a pathway for congress to stop listening to a candidate who continues it try to score political points instead of solve problems for states like mine and american families. he's doing both. >> you have been a very vocal advocate, i should say, for reproductive health access. this week marks two years since

roe versus wade was struck down. and yet, in 2023, america had the highest abortion number and abortion rate in over a decade. why do you think there are more abortions happening at a time when there is decreased access? >> i think there ae more abortions happening because more women are at risk, which means they can't get into a provider, they can't get prenatal care. you have providers who are worried about prosecutions and any number of other issues that interfere with their ability to provide care. less access to contraceptives, less information aboutublic health, less ability to get to your primary care physician. most families and women live 86 miles from a provider. you create a draconian situation, you're going to increase risk at every single place and this is a state that's

clear about protecting women and creating equality. that's what i believe is the genesis of this situation. >> all right. governor, good luck, as you deal with all those emergencies in your state. we'll be tracking them. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. gallbladder problems may occur.

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would d if china invaded taiwan. i wonder if you would advise him to have u.s. military forces defend it? >> well, i think that's always been the policy of the american government. it's strategic ambiguity, we don't tell the chinese how we're going to react to their actions. but the key thing, margaret, is peace through strength. if we have a strong navy, if we move our soldiers and marines out of europe and germany where they're garr ris sonned and put them in guam and hawaii, philippines, australia where we have marines already, that sends a strong message not to invade. the key is to deter war, not to fight and win a war, which we would need to do if it happens. we need to deter the chinese and the communist party from invading taiwan in the first place, which we failed to do with russia in ukraine, and so strength will deter the chinese from invading. it's not talk. it's how they see our force posture. >> so -- well the largest

contingent of all overseas u.s. military forces is in east asia and the pacific already. you're calling to send the entire marine corps to asia. when mr. trump was president -- >> well -- >> go ahead. >> the fighting force of the marine corps, we'll have pendleton and camp lejeune. like world war ii when asia was key for us, we should have the marines in asia, the air force and army and navy in the rest of the world. the marines are suited for the indo-pacific and we should have our fighting force there to deter the chinese. we don't want a war, margaret. we want to stop the war and the way to stop the war is strength and moving the marine corporation and the carrier battle group to the pacific would show the treng to deter a war. >> you're not moving all marines to asia but some of them. >> correct. >> so when mr. trump was president, though, he was -- he publicly pressed multiple times

for the u.s. to withdraw the 28,000 u.s. troops that are in our treaty ally south korea. he also threatened to pull out of japan. and i wonder, if you think that threatening to pull out of asian allied countries like that, shows daylight in a way that emboldens china? >> no. what president trump was trying to do, and he did this with nato as well, we need our allies to step up. america can't do this alone. the american taxpayer can't deter china alone. we need help from our allies and president trump made sure the south koreans and the japanese and our european allies paid their fair share and helped burden share with us. so part of -- >> they already were helping to -- to pay for some of the costs related to housing those troops in their country. >> some of the cost, but not enough. the american taxpayer has a tremendous burden and a massive federal deficit, inflation at , wee got burdens here in

america, so we ndllie ste up to theland icate in the same way we do. we pay almost 4% of our gdp for defense. south korea i coming up higher. japan isoming up higher. and it's a direct result of president trump and his tough negotiations and tough policies. i look at what happened and then i -- not look at the negotiating rhetoric. >> but at a time when you are looking at a more aggressive china, threatening to pull out u.s. troops, would seem to backfire on your ultimate strategic intent. >> well, our strategic intent is to be as strong as possible in asia and we got there with trump and we're d -- it will go back with president trump when he returns in six months. when the japanese are engaged and the south koreans are engaged and australians are engaged annual all countries have raised their defense spending significantly because of president trump and europe as well and that didn't start under biden. that started under president

trump. that makes us stronger against china. sometimes you have to be tough and show tough love to your allies and just like with family members sometimes you have to be tough with your family members. but the chinese aren't going to divide the family. they're not going to divide the allies. we do need to make sure the allies pay their fair share. >> what would donald trump do to divide the access, the new alliance, that we are seeing growing between russia, iran, china and north korea. vladimir putin was just driving around north korea with kim jong-un this past week. >> yeah. that's great question, margaret, and that alliance has gotten much stronger under the biden administration because there's been a lack of american leadership. we haven't shown peace through strength. the first thing increase our energy production in america. these countries rely on russian energy to run their economies. we need to increase our energy production. we need to sanction the russian federation central bank which larry kudlow and i called upon the president to do before the invasion of ukraine and cut back

on russian oil sales. we need to put maximum pressure back on the iranians for causing so much trouble throughout the middle east. and so those are some of the steps we can take and then rebuild our military, rebuild our navy, get our ship-yards producing ships again. those are the things that will divide the axis of eril. >> it's getting harder to sanction when russia is protecting some of those rogue states and china too, but on russia, during the first trump administration, the president then argued he was going to pull out at least 10,000 of the 35,000 u.s. troops stationed in u.s. allied germany. you wrote an on ed arguing in defense of that saying keeping troops in europe was an obsolete cold war practice. do you think in hindsight that helped embolden vladimir putin? >> no. what we did with vladimir putin is we stopped the nord stream 2 pipeline. that was his policy objective to get that pipeline build and develop energy dominance over

western europe and we stopped it. the first thing president biden did when he came into office he opened the nord dream 2 pipeline and canceled the keystone xl pipeline to further diminish american energy production. >> the invasion of ukraine ultimately killed that. >> well, it killed it because biden opened the pipeline again and russia took that as a green light to invade ukraine along with our -- the debacle in afghanistan. going to the troop question, what i said it wasn't troops in europe, margaret. it was troops in germany. we have too many troops garrisoned in germany and we need to move some of those troops to the front line to poland and the czech republic and slovakia and some to america territories in the pacific like guam, hawaii, the aleutian islands in alaska to deter. having troops in germany doesn't help us. >> john bolton and mark esper have a different account of what happened during that time, saying that you supported pulling out and bringing people

back to the u.s. but on the campaign trail right now donald trump is talking about ukraine a lot, and he said, apparently, according to the hungarian prime minister viktor orban, that he won't give a pep now ukraine if he's reelected and by cutting off that money, that will end the war. that sounds like that would be ending the war in russia's favor. doesn't it? >> well, keep in mind, margaret, we're the first administration to give lethal aid to the ukrainians, the jav lan missiles which stopped the russian vanj to start with. it was too little too late. we need to bring vladimir putin to the table and the way to do that is what larry kudlow and i called for and what president trump has called for, put sanctions on the russians to bring putin to the table to have a negotiated peace treaty. we have to stop the killing in ukraine, the stop the killing of ukrainians and yanz russians and

need peace in the world. too you little too late telling the ukrainians they can have some weapons not others, use some weapons, can't use others, the half-measured sanctions, none of that is helping in the war in ukraine. that's a lack of leadership under the biden administration. >> all right. >> trump will get this war settled quickly. >> thank you for your time. it was an interesting read. we'll leave it there and be back in a moment. awkward question... is there going to be anything left... —left over? —yeah. oh, absolutely. (inner monologue) my kids don't know what they want. you know who knows what she wants? me! i want a massage, in amalfi, from someone named giancarlo.

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but now, on top of that, increasingly concerning, is the potential for a coordinated attack here in the homeland. not unlike the isis-k attack we saw at the russia concert hall back in march. >> that's chilling. the white house says the president is briefed regularly on threats. if that is true, do you think he's doing enough? >> hard for me to say whether he's doing enough because a lot of what needs to be done we wouldn't see publicly. what i would say is, i ran into a lot of current former intelligence -- current intelligence officer and policymakers after we published the article and the response was almost universal in "we're glad you wrote this, it's really important." i read that as maybe there's a lack of sense of urgency here, and that's really important. >> a lack of sense of urgency among members of the public or

the government? >> the administration. yeah. and congress, quite frankly. there needs to be a sense of urgency about this, and i think the american public needs to understand what the threat is. that's why we called for a public congressional hearing, just on the terrorist threats to the homeland. not a hearing on threats broadly. threat to the homeland. and then we need to hear what administration is doing about this in a broad sense, right. not the details, but in a broad sense. >> i asked the chair of the house intelligence committee, republican mike turner, about exactly your proposal, and he really kind of dismissed it. >> yeah. he said we already covered it. they haven't. >> he did call the administration to declassify information. our colleague sam vin ne grat who ran vetting at the border for dhs said basically the information that feeds those vetting lists, the watch lists, is dependent on how much good intelligence is collected and that has been under resourced.

do you agree with that. >> i agree with that 100%. we shifted resources from the counterterrorism community to the china community. now that's understandable to some degree. it's been significant. i think there's a cost to the intelligence we're collecting. the vetting system beyond not having the information, the vetting system does not provide all of the information that the government has. there was just a dhs inspector general report that outlined all the problems with the vetting system. it's lack of information and then the system itself. >> and we have it on a graphic the report said customs and border protection could not access all federal data necessary to enable complete screening and vetting of noncitizens seeking administrations into the united states. this is the government saying, we can't vet everyone properly. >> right. and customs and border doesn't have the technology, right, to even connect. all sorts of issues here that need to be resolved. >> mike, stay with us. i have to take break. there's much more i want to talk to you about.

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