welcome back to "face the nation." we return to our conversation now with minnesota democratic congressman dean phillips. congressman, you were just saying that in your estimation,

the presidet no longer has the faith and trust of the majority of congress. before your election, it was republicans who held minnesota's third district. for 60 years. you're not running for re-election there. with the scene you are painting, do you think that congress goes to republican control, that seat but also congress in the senate and the house. >> i think so and i think that is one reason we're seeing this massive shift. it is my colleague's backyard. they're seeing their numbers precipitously decline. our front lines are the most in the country and i had a district that had not voted for a democrat in 60 years. we could reinvite independents or never trump republicans, and democrats have been using imposition, not invitation. and i my think colleagues are recognizing that sadly, a man we love, joe biden is going to drag down this whole ticket. it is not just about the white

house and if democrats do not hold the senate or take back the house, i think it is real problematic for this country and for future. and the answer is absolutely and that is a pervasive sentiment and it is real. >> when you were considering your primary bid, you have shared you made appeals to gretchen whitmer and illinois's governor j.b. pritzker. urging them to run and they chose not to and you jumped in. would you consider them at the top of the ticket now. >> darn right. i want to see the presidet pass the torch, a term everyone is using and have a mini primary. it is not too late. it is a perfect time, no, not at all. we could have four town halls in this country and invite the best and brightest democrats including those, governor bashear, i think joe manchin and vice president harris and int deuce themselves to the country and create energy and excitement and have the delegates at the town hall, the 3,000 or

4,000 making the decision in chicago this august. the notion that this could be disastrous with if he went to a brokered convention. the disaster is here now. question is do democrats want to win and the names you just mentioned, let's have a spirited competition and show a felon of the past and show a dynamic democrat of the future. it is not to late. >> what is the cost of coming out against joe biden? you've paid a cost. >> my career is done in congress. so be it. a small price to pay for the country. colleagues who have come out have received some threats relative to their campaigns. this -- >> from who? >> i'm not getting into the who. but this political industrial complex, this duopoly is a problem and we need competition. both parties stifle it and suppress it. it is not a false equivalency, i'm not talking about values and

principles, but that is the truth. we need competition, we should be promoting next generations and not diminishing them. i understand why so many need to be silent because their careers will come to a close. we have to start rewarding courage and punishing cowardice. >> congressman, phillips, thank you for sharing your point of view with us. we'll be right back. amera zoomi] ♪ [window slamming] woman: [gasps] [dog barking] ♪ woman: [screams] ♪ [explosion] [explosion] ♪ [lock clicks shut] ♪♪ are you tired of your hair breaking after waiting years for it to grow? meet new pantene pro-v miracles. with our highest concentration of pro-vitamins yet, infused with ingredients like biotin & collagen.

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has joe biden lost control of the democratic party? >> no, he's not. and he's heard those concerns and i want to be crystal clear. he's made a decision and that decision is to accept the nomination, and run for re-election, win re-election and i think there are those out there that need to hear it again, that he made a decision, he's going to be the candidate and he's going to be the next president and now it is time to focus on the threat that donald trump poses and what the extreme agenda is an owe the other side. >> is the president aware that the calls are only growing in number and not diminishing? >> the president is aware of the calls and the president has made clear that members should do what they think they need to do and he's going to do what the american people need him to do and that is to beat donald trump and focus on families and protecting women's reproductive

right and building the economy from the middle up and out and all of those things are on joe biden's mind and every moment that we continue to talk about a decision that is already been made, means that is a moment we're not talking about project 2025 or former president trump who is trying to divide the country. >> do you think that speaker -- or that leader jeffries and former speaker pelosi and leader schumer could stop the conversations if they wanted? >> no, i was a member of the house. members of the house are going to say and do whatever they want to do. >> that is a pretty big thing to come out against their own president. >> and the president has a right to run for re-election. 14 million people voted for him. 80 million people voted for him in last election. and you just had dean phillips on who ran against him. he beat him in his own district. the voters in congressman dean's district wanted the president to be the nominee. and he is the nominee. and he's going to be the next president of the united states.

>> so, in our cbs polling, donald trump has a five-point advantage on joe biden at this point in the race. and in a hypothetical head-to-head, trump has a 3-point advantage over kamala harris. if she is running on the same platform of achievements as biden, if the president said she is just as qualified, are you confident that she would move to the top of the ticket and beat donald trump? >> what i'm confident in, is that the biden-harris team ticket could beat donald trump and that america needs them to beat donald trump. and if you look at the voters that are coalescing around president biden and vice president harris, it the people with the most on the line. we're talking about working families and women's whose reproduct rights were taken minority voters and equity and inclusion and those are the voters that are rallying around the president and want him to continue to fight, which he said he's going to do. >> so our cbs polling team asked

voters if they think joe biden should step aside and give another candidate a chance to run. a sizable four in ten black voters and about the same number of democrats at large think biden ought to step aside as nominee. what do you make of those numbers? >> well that is the question you ask. but did you ask those voters are they voting for biden? did they ask if they want someone who will stand up to protect their freedom and unite the country. someone who is going to make sure that america is respected on the world stage. and so, look, we never thought this would be an easy race. and anyone who thought this was going to be an easy race was delusional. so we're preparing a campaign that can win in november. so that is thousands of paid canvassers and offices open to talk to voters and woo going to do the hard work to run this

race. this is not time for a sunshine patriot or sunshine soldier. this is hard work and we're going to do it. >> but you were just talking about how members of your own party are continuing to come out against the party's nominee. this is the dominant conversation right now. not all of the messages that you would like to have front and center issue-wise. how much time do you here before biden that fellow democrats are denigrating him. when do you think he could persuade his party? >> the president is going to run his campaign. he's not trying to persuade his party. he's trying to persuade the voters. that he will wake up every day fighting for them. and that the guy on the other side, who is unhinged, and who only thinks about himself is going to continue to divide this

country and sell out working class and working families to the billionaire class. and so while the former colleagues and elected officials will continue to ponder and continue to talk, we're going to continue to talk about the issues in this race. and my advice to our elected members is to go out there and talk to your voters about what is at stake in this election. we've heard your concerns. the president believes he's the best person to beat donald trump. i agree with him. and by the way, he's not -- donald trump has run in three republican primaries and beat dozens of candidates nobody beat him. he won the presidency and joe biden is the only person in the history of the united states to beat donald trump. and he's in the best position to do it again. and so much is at stake. we should focus on what is at stake, the character of the two people and the record accomplishments of the past administration, and we should go knock on doors and tell it on a mountain that this race is important and joe biden is the person to beat donald trump.

>> i know you were with joe biden on tuesday when he was speaking at the naacp. you have spoken to him since? how is he feeling? mentally right now about this? >> the president is feeling good. look, joe biden is a guy who has been knocked down many times in his life. and i mean serious knockdowns but he never stays down and he wakes up because it is not just about him. he knows how important it is for america and he's going toin it fight. so he's in a fighting mode and i'm with him and i'm going to be with him until the wheels fall off. and i hear that everywhere we go. we're going to fight and win and we're going to focus on the american history and not worry about history because we're trying to build a future for this current. we have to roe tect the planet and create jobs and help working families and that is what he's talking about. he's still campaigning while he's down making calls so he's

being the fighter that he's always been and he's the fighter that we need. >> cedric richmond from the biden campaign, thank you. we'll be back in a moment.

for a closer look now at republican's shifting identity under donald trump, and what it might mean for american democracy and the world, we are joined by fiona hill, a former top official on the national security council and robert kagen is a senior fellow at the brooks institution and editor at large for "the washington post" and the author of rebellion. good to you have both here. your former intel analysts, fiona, and bob you're a historian, republican turned independent. so i want you to help us analyze america like it were a foreign country. bob, here is what donald trump, 45th president and republican nominee said last night at a rally in michigan. >> but can you imagine president xi, putin, all of them, they're all smart, tough, they love their country or they want to do

well with their country. whatever it is, all ideology. but we have to have someone to protect us. and orban was right. we have to have someone that could protect us. >> and it is orban, the hungarian prime minister, and problematic ally who is in bed with china and russia and iran. what is that description of adv adversaries indicate to you. >> well trump, the people that we think of as our adverse yours, vladimir putin and xi jinping, it is our allies that he is toughest on. and it always surprised me when people say donald trump is tough. because in his record both as president but also in the way he talks about the future, it is clear that he intends to accommodate vladimir putin, he just recently made very disparaging comments about taiwan which send a clear signal to xi jinping about whether we might defend taiwan or not. and so his basic approach to the

truly tough guys in the world is that he backs down as in retreat and his choice of j.d. vance as his vice president senses a very strong signal about how we're going to treat allies and adversaries. vance voted not only against ukraine aid, but against taiwan aid, and also against israel aid. and i think that is the real foreign policy that donald trump speaks for now. >> and fiona, you served or donald trump. on his russia policy. you saw how he reacts to vladimir putin and authoritarians. why should americans take pause when they hear that? why does it matter? >> well there is two aspects of this. one is the one that bob mentioned which is trump has an affinity with strong men. that is how they project themselves on the world stage, how he wants to be seen himself. it has got fog to do with the po politics of china or russia or

the policies around their relationships. it is more about how he sees himself reflected in those particular leaders and how they react to him. and then the second part is when it comes to allies, which bob has mentioned, trump doesn't believe in allies and that is his cutthroat business word and he sees allies as people who want something from him and he makes it clear he doesn't want to give anybody anything, unless it is in his interest. and so why that should give americans pause, that ant thet cal to the way we've approached domestic affairs for a very long period, going back to the beginning of the cold war. he's doing a major rupture in the way that america has posi positioned it self in terms of the oust ward posture. people will figure out how to deal with this but it doesn't

make it easier. this is a dramatic shift in the way that america thinks about the world. >> and especially from ronald reagan who was famous with his close relationships with our democratic allies and with allies. he was very close to margaret thatcher and german's cole and francis midrorn and japan's knacka zony. and with those alliances and the strength that they created an the military buildup, that is how we got a peaceful end to the cold war. now with trump and j.d. vance, you basically have the opposite of that approach. we're negative toward our allies and supplicant toward our adversaries. >> i was out in milwaukee and it was very striking to see some of the imagery at the rnc. the man who introduced donald trump was the head of the ultimate fighting championship. he walked on himself to, you

know, it is a man's world and the walk on going down the hallway was like he was going out to a fight. hulk hogan spoke. the crowd was being led in chants, fight, fight, fight, replicating what happened with the attempted assassination. and that slogan we were showing there, on the wall, they're not after me, they're after you, i'm just standing in the way. what image does all of this project to the rest of the world? >> well it projects to the rest of the world that the united states is no different from any other country where you're getting a populous leader emerging. we've seen this happening in france. we had a -- the french had a near miss with the national rally. a very long standing populist isolationist party that lead them to the snap elections and populist parties emerging in the european union and parliament elections and on the rise in german and we've seen in brazil

and a populist different leader and mexico, you could look around the world and see this same phenomenon. as you said, look at it as a foreign country. we would be putting the united states in that kind of not the -- the pantheon of the populous countries what, is the difference with hungary and bolivia and the brazil and past with bolsonaro. and that is what the rest of the world is looking at. looking at america being taken over by populist politics and a minority of very vociferous that is pushing particular view points on what is frankly the majority of the rest of the citizens. >> it was -- it is also striking to me how in all of those examples you just laid out migration issues was such a trigger point for galvanizing populist opinion. >> but it plays out different in each country. here is this whole idea which is what j.d. vance and many others

have talked about in the convention. that democracy is going to end because migrants are going to come in and it is going to change the perception of the politics. we actually have a great demand for migrant labor. our growth is dependent on that. all of the economic data shows that. in other countries where there is less economic growth, it is still a down turn as a result of the economic crisis or forecovid. there is more competition for scarce resources and jobs, not replacement of the population in the same way there is here. immigration is an international crisis. but there is a different way it is manifesting itself in politics in different places. >> bob, you had an op-ed in november saying it ftrump wins he'll be most powerful to hold the congress and in response, j.d. vance came out with a

response about you saying that i suspect they might care a acterrize this as an invitation of insurrection and manifestation and criminal conspiracy and suggested your spouse's security clearance should be reviewed. what do you think that reveals about the man wanting to be vice president. >> they don't like people writing critical articles about them but their answer is that they should be investigated by the justice department and i think -- >> that sounds like weaponizing the justice. >> it sounds like weaponizing the justice department. but more than that, it sounds like the end of free speech in our country. and it is really important to focus on something that j.d. vance said in his acceptance speech. he said america is not a creedal country. i think people didn't know what he was talking about. but what he is talking about, the creed of the united states is the deckaration of independent and the principles therein, that everyone is equal

and everyone enjoys individual rights that were granted not by god or by government but by the nature of being human and that is what j.d. vance is saying, we should not be. and the people that he's influenced by, the intellectuals are explicit about saying the declaration of independent, which abraham lincoln said is the essence of america. it should be about where you were born, what your ethic group is and it is a very nice way of saying, white christian nationalism and that is what j.d. vance is talking about. so the problem is not just migrants, it is everybody who is not a white christian. >> he would say his spouse is the daughter of migrants which he celebrated during his speech. >> right. in that world, where we're talking about an edge -- idea

but she's not a real american. the philosopher hulk hogan said only the people who support trump are real americans. and i think there is a long tradition, by the way, what vance is offering is not new. it is old. it is the oldest game. been in both parties. it is hostility to the fundamental principles that the founders established athe beginning of this country which is about human equality. >> and when you say not new, you're talking about 1920, 1930, 1940s. >> that is right. and the 19th century as well before the civil war and after the civil war when many, many white americans did not want would see blacks or other minorities have equal rights. >> thank you for your analysis, both of you. we'll be right back. your hair will love. and none of the stuff it won't. our sulfate free collections smell incredible and leave your hair touchably soft and smooth. herbal essences.

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