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interference in the 2024 election. this time the target is former president trump's campaign, and we go in depth with trump's running mate, ohio senator jd vance. vice president kamala harris picked a coach for her running mate. minnesota's governor tim walz, but last night in las vegas, she lifted a campaign play from the trump playbook, and raised him one. >> we will continue our fight for working families of america, including to raise the minimum wage and eliminate taxes on tips for service and hospitality workers. >> that's a proposal that will go over well in the battleground state of nevada. but can democrats score in the heartland? we'll talk with kansas democrat governor laura kelly. plus, vp hopeful jd vance has been on the offensive on the campaign trail. >> everything that kamala harris touches has been a disaster.

are outstanding, but when you look at what decides elections, the vice presidential pick rarely matters. how are you going to prove him wrong? >> well, i think president trump is right about that actually. >> we'll talk with him about campaign policy and how gop proposals will impact americans. we'll check in on two other big stories. the state of the economy, the bank of america ceo brian moynihan, and retired general frank mckenzie will give us an update on tensions in the middle east. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." last night, former president trump said that his campaign had been informed that one of his top advisers was hacked by the iranian government. we've got a lot more on that

ahead, but we begin with our interview with mr. trump's running mate, jd vance. we sat down with him in cincinnati saturday morning before the news broke about the hack. >> you supported the supreme court ruling recently on mifepristone, the so-called abortion pill that ruled opponents lack the legal right to sue over the fda approval. >> sure. that's right. >> this drug is used in, like, 60% of all abortions in the united states. in the trump-vance administration, would you use the fda to block access to this drug? >> well, no. what the president has said very clearly is that abortion policy should be made by the states, right? you, of course, want to make sure that any medicine is safe, that it's prescribed in the right way, and so forth, but the president wants individual states to make these decisions because look, margaret. california is going to have a different abortion policy from ohio which is going to have a different abortion policy from alabama. >> right, but that was actually different because after dobbs, the supreme court took up this

case. >> right. >> they crewviewed it as differ >> sure, but you said on a matter of legal standing, but we want when voters in states make decisions we want the government to respect those decisions, and that's what president trump has said. we need to get out of the culture war side of the issue. we need to let the states decide their specific abortion policy, and look at what trump and i want to do on family policy is make it easier for families to start in the first place. >> at his presser this past week, donald trump seemed to indicate he was open to restrictions of mifepristone. he was asked by a reporter about this. he said, there are many things on a humane basis that you can do, but also give a vote. so he did seem to be indicating he's open to restrictions on this particular drug. >> first of all, even some of the reporters who were in the room of that press conference said it wasn't clear what the reporter was asking. maybe he couldn't hear that person super clearly. i don't want to put words in

president trump's mouth. what says said very clearly in the debate is he agrees with the supreme court decision, but more importantly he wants these decisions to be made by the state. >> you personally signed on as a senator on a letter to the doj demanding it shut down all mail-order abortion operations under the comstock act. so would you seek to enforce that law differently? >> well, what we said in that letter is we want doctors to prescribe this tostuff to make sure it's safe. >> the fda says it is. >> we want the fda to make sure doctors are prescribing this in a safe way. that's all that we've ever said, and i believe that that is how president trump feels about this. agains yo again, you want the states to make these determinations and you want to make sure the fda is ensuring these are safe. >> it's been on the market for decades, and they say it is safe, but would -- >> anti-biotics are safe, but we want to make sure they're prescribed by doctors and the doctors are monitoring this

stuff. >> sure. >> so people don't get hurt. >> of course. >> we've talked now for i think six questions now about abortion -- >> i'm city tstill trying to ge clear answer. >> i gave you one. >> where that commissioner stands on this drug, would that determine whether or not they are chosen to be put in this key role? >> i think president trump has clearly said there are no litmus tests on this particular issue. he just wants to make sure that drugs are safe and effective before they're out there on the market and of course, that doctors are properly controlling this stuff so that people don't get hurt, and again, we talk about abortion. i think president trump's views on abortion are extremely clear. >> you have been talking about the concern about the low birthrate in the united states of america. >> yeah. >> which is well documented. you said people without children should pay higher tax rates than those who have children and the u.s. should look at lowering income tax rates on women who have multipe children, and you pointed to hungary as a model for that. how do you plan to implement that policy? >> well, it's called the child

tax credit, and we should expand that. >> you and the biden administration agree on the child tax credit? >> we believe it should be bigger. we believe in expanding it, but we want to get this thing done. the child tax credit has languished because harris has failed to show fundamental leadership. chuck schumer has been unable to get it through the united states senate and we want to have a more pro-family policy. >> there was a vote on this. you know that. you weren't there. it was a messaging bill. i'll give you that. >> it was a show vote. >> i'm with you on that. >> if i had been there, it would have failed and i was -- >> tell me specifically what you want to do to expand the child tax care credit. it's 2 grand per kid right now. >> one of the things you can do is make it bigger per child. we would love to see it at a higher dollar value. i would love to see a child tax credit that's $5,000 per child. you have to work with congress to see how possible and viable that is. we've also proposed legislation, margaret, to end this practice of parents getting these surprise medical bills when they

go to the hospital. they have a baby, and they choose an out of new york provider and they come home with unexpected bills. we have a host of pro-family policies that ae out there, and again, on the harris administration, i got to push back against something a little bit, margaret, because when these comments where i said, parents should pay lower taxes via the child tax credit came out, the harris administration immediately jumped and said, we disagree with this. the harris campaign said, we disagree with this. so they want the elimination of the tax credit or were they just being careless and responding to remarks that i made three years ago? i don't know. they should clarify it, maybe in an interview with you, but of course, kamala harris refuses to do interviews with anybody. >> we hope to have her on to ask her about that. >> me too. >> you said $5,000 per child is wha what you would like to get to. where would that kick in? >> i would like to have a broad-based tax credit. we have talked about this for a long time. president trump has been on the

record supporting this. we want it to applied to all american families. we don't want this massive cutoff for lower income families which you don't have right now. you don't want a higher policy for higher income families. you want a pro-family child tax credit. >> you have opposed universal child care. how do you solve the child care crisis in america? >> well, what i've opposed is % one model of child care. we, of course, want to give everybody access to child care, but look. in my family, i grew up in a poor family where child care was my grandparents and a lot of these do nothing for grand parents. if you look at some of these proposals, they do nothing for stay-at-home moms or dads. i want us to have a child care policy that's good for all families, not just a particular model of family, and that's what i've said. >> so what do you mean by that? there would be, like, a credit per kid if it's a stay-at-home mom? credit if it's grandma? >> that's what i propose. i'm just saying that i don't want us to favor one family model over another.

if you've got grandparents at home taking care of the kids, they deserve to be treated the same as -- the same way as other family models by their government. >> gay families? they would be included? all families? >> all families would be included. of course. all families would be included. >> what about really young kids? should 3 and 4-year-old kids have access to preschool? >> certainly some families are going to choose that, and some are going to choose grandparents and to forth. >> that's child care. that's different than preschool. >> very often preschool is child care, at least a form of child care. i know when i went to preschool -- >> your kids went to preschool. >> we used it as child care. you hope your kids get a good education, but you're also doing it because you want to provide child care for your kids. i don't think there's anything incongruous about that, but i believe we want to make it easier for american families, margaret, to make their own choices on this. we talk about school choice. of course, school choice was apply to all families. it would apply to all parents and we just want parents to have

choices, and i think -- >> including for preschool? in many public school systems, there is no preschool. that's why i'm asking. >> we want parents to have choices. we want them to make the chases that make the most sense for their family. for some, it will be preschool. for some, it's day care. we want the government to treat everybody equally regardless of what our education or family model you have. >> you have a very young family. >> i do. >> you have a very accomplished wife, usha. >> i'm very proud of her. >> yale, cambridge. she clerked at the supreme court. we heard her on stage at the rnc. you gave a recent interview to megyn kelly. >> yeah. >> you spoke about white supremacists attacking your family. >> sure. >> because she's not a white person. how concerned are you that this kind of hate would follow you to the white house? >> well, look. it's going to follow us wherever we go because that's the nature of public life in america, and it's disgraceful.

look. i love my wife. i'm very proud of her. i'm extremely lucky to have met her and gotten a chance to build a life with her, and people want to attack me and my policy views, they're welcome to. i signed up for it. my wife didn't sign up for it, and she's way out of their league t people that are attacking her so i wish she would keep their mouths shut or at least focus on me. it's the nature of public life in this country. my wife's pretty tough and she knows what we signed up for. >> i imagine it's hard to keep your temper when you hear things like that. >> i get pissed off sometimes, certainly. when people attack your family for something that no person can control, and i think there's been this thing in america where we've said that we should judge people based on their skin color, based on their immutable characteristics, and things they can't control. i frankly think that unfortunately, a lot of people on the left have leaned into this by trying to categorize people by skin color and then give special benefits or special amounts of discrimination.

the harris administration, for example, handed out farm benefits to people based on skin color. i think that's disgraceful. i don't think we should say, you get farm benefits if you are a black farmer. you don't get farm benefits if you are a white farmer. all farmers, we want to thrive, and that's certainly the president trump and jd vance view of the situation, but i do think unfortunately when our leaders divide us by race, you're going to have hate on the left side of the political spectrum. you'll have hate on the right side of the political spectrum. we should judge people based on individual characteristics and based on merit and that's what president trump and i want to do. >> that wasn't born in the last four years. i mean, one of the -- >> not at all, but i think president biden and harris have act se accelerated it. i don't think we've seen anything like what we've seen from kamala harris when it comes to handing out benefits based on characteristics. the actual legal enshrinement of discrimination in this country, we haven't seen anything like it in the last 30 or 40 years,

certainly in the '60s and '50s. we look at this as a period we want to get away from, and in a way, they've reimplemented it. i think it's disgraceful. >> in your own movement, that's what i want to ask about because when a supremacist who was saying things like this about your family -- >> yeah. >> -- nick fuentes, an avowed anti-semite, went after your wife. he had previously dined at mar-a-lago with donald trump. does this have any room in your movement? in the maga movement? >> of course, it doesn't have any room in the maga movement. >> you disavow this. >> and of course, donald trump has criticized this person. i think the guy's a total loser. certainly i disavow him, and what i care more about, is a person attacking me personally or is it government policy that discriminates based on race? that's what i really worry about. >> we're going to mark this year the three-year anniversary of the u.s. -- the end of the u.s. war in afghanistan. >> yeah. >> president trump negotiated that withdrawal. >> sure.

>> the execution. you have been very critical of. it was very chaotic under pres president biden, but let's look at what you could do. there were 80,000 or so afghans left behind, many of whom worked for the united states. does america owe them? would you bring them here? >> i think we should bring people here who helped us and have been properly vetted and that's very, very important because a lot of the people the biden administration has brought in have not been properly vetted. >> you're talking about afghan vets? >> and i think the most important -- certainly the biden administration has let in afghan nationals who say that they supported americans, but actually did not. we also have to remember, margaret, there was a lot when we were in afghanistan, a lot of so-called blue on green or green on blue violence where people who were allegedly supposed to help us, killed american troops. do i want them in our country? of course, i don't. i don't want them on this earth anymore. we have to be careful -- >> i'm talking about people who worked alongside united states service people. on the ground in afghanistan. >> and if they're properly

vetted, i think that we should help them. some of them don't want to come here by the way, margaret. some of them would like to give us safety in another country. >> president trump said he'll suspend refugee admissions to the united states. >> exactly. >> you're say not in this case. >> absolutely i'm saying in this case, margaret because we're not properly vetting the people that are being let in through these refugee programs. what president trump said is very important. you cannot show up at an american consulate and say, i helped the americans. go let me into america. >> that's not how the process works. you know that. >> it's very often how the process works. >> it is not. >> the biden administration has been scandalous in not properly vetting these people. donald trump is exactly right, and again, just because they helped us, allegedly, doesn't mean you have to let them come to pittsburgh, pennsylvania and maybe some of them should go to other countries. maybe we should help some of them in their own country, and president trump's exactly right about this. in fact, we know -- we know beyond a shadow of doubt that some of the people who have been

let in this country are on the terrorist watch list. that is disgraceful. >> i think right now you're conflating a few different things. you are now talking about people who have come in through the southern border versus people who were vetted and worked in intelligence. >> we let many people through refugee resettlement who should not be. we have not properly vetted everybody who's come in. >> do you have something you have been briefed on? >> certainly if you look at -- >> a specific example you're worried about? >> i have been briefed privately, but there are also reports of people who have come in who are on a terrorism watch list or importantly were not actually helping americans even though they claimed. we got to be careful, margaret. we have a country to protect, and we have -- i have three young children. i don't want people walking around the streets of this country who said they served the united states, but because the biden administration doesn't believe in immigration enforcement, they didn't properly vet them. >> do you view china as a competitor or an adversary? >> i think they're both, right? what we want to do here is build the kind of international order

where we can check china. we don't want to go to war with china, but certainly they're an adversary. they know, for example, the chinese know they're manufacturing tons of fentanyl. they're letting it come into our country. kamala harris has done nothing about this. she should apply diplomatic and economic leverage over the chinese to stop manufacturing this fentanyl which then comes into the mexican drug cartels -- >> the united states has designated some of these groups and pressed the chinese government. >> it's not easy to machnufactu, margaret, and if harris was applying proper leverage, we would -- >> like what? how do you do that? what's your vision of how you do that? >> you walk into beijing. you talk to xi jinping, and you say, your entire economy is going to collapses in you get access to america's markets. take this seriously or we're going to impose serious tariffs and economic penalties for not following our laws, and not helping us stem the flowpoison.

>> and you wouldn't be worried about blowback on the u.s. economy? >> i think that we have a powerful economy, margaret, with the best workers in the entire world. if we need to fight a trade war with the chinese, we will fight it, and we will win it, but we cannot do what kamala harris has done which is be so terrified of using the economic power that we have, that she's not even willing to stop the flow of the deadly poison coming into our country. >> president trump said vladimir putin and chinese president xi were lovely individuals speaking in montana last night. do you agree with that character sa ization? >> i think that president trump gets along with world leaders and there's nothing wrong with him complimenting them as people. >> that's different than walking in and laying down the law that xi jinping. >> it's not. you're better if you have a better relationship with people and they trust you to follow your word. we have to remember that democrats including kamala harris attacked donald trump for having a good relationship with vladimir putin. well, vladimir putin didn't

invade another country. when kamala harris was vice president, they did. maybe they should take a lesson from donald trump's playbook about lemgitimacy because he go a lot done because they respected him. >> thank you for being here. >> the full interview is available on our channel and on our website. we'll be back in one minute so stay with us. 6 're just as good as weathertech... just as good as weathertech... they're just as good as weathertech... just as good... just as good as weathertech... just as good... are these factory floormats just as good as weathertech? yeah... no. no. nothing comes even close to laser measured weathertech floorliners. they offer the ultimate protection. front, back, and even up the sides. for a full line of premium american made products, order at wt.com

. yesterday the trump campaign said it was hacked and suggested iranian actors had stolen documents. e-mails obtained from that hack were reportedly sent to politico and "the washington post," but boast organizations declined to publish them. the claim came a day after microsoft revealed that iran and other foreign actors are interfering in the campaign. we go now to cbs news intelligence and national security reporter olivia gazis and chris krebs who is also the head of cybersecurity during the

trump administration. olivia, does u.s. intelligence assess this was indeed iran? >> so far the u.s. intelligence community hasn't said either way. they have deferred instead to the justice department as the white house. they haven't weighed in on this alleged attack. microsoft like wise is declining to comment beyond the original report it issued this week which didn't specify which campaign was at issue. both of them, however, thus far have said things about iranian activity that lends credence to some of what the campaign has said. the intelligence community in its last update on election security in late july indicated that iran was moving beyond being a chaos agent to actively intervening in order to affect the outcome of the presidential race, and while intelligence officials didn't specify explicitly which campaign iran was trying to denigrate, officials said that they were opposed the candidate they

believed woulds a compasser rat- exacerbate tensions. it worked to undermine the trump campaign at the direction of the supreme leader. they did link the spear phishing attempt to the islamic revolutionary guard which has a direct line to the supreme leader, and also notable that they weren't clear on the intentions. iranians' target senior political officials all the time for intelligence gathering purposes. whether that was the purpose here to gather intelligence or to fuel an election interference campaign or both is still a question. >> you were in office in 2020 when iran tried to intervene then. >> that's right. >> how different is this? >> that was a much more public effort. if you recall in late october, the iranians sent a bunch of emails out to voters. they were able to collect emails

through hacking into voter registration data bases and they threatened them. they posed as the proud boys and said, we're going to come after you if you don't register to vote as a republican and go out and vote for president trump. subsequent to, that they released a video. immediately the intelligence community was on top of it. there was a public press conference wednesday evening with the director of national intelligence, the director of the fbi. i was there alongside the department of justice, and that was a stark difference from 2016 when it took about eight, nine months to make a public attri attribution. based on the intelligence community's rapid declassification in advance of the russian attack on ukraine, it seems to be that that is the pattern for rapid declass declassification. i would not be surprised to see something soon. >> we'll take a break and come back and complete this conversation on the other side of it. so stay with us. is conversation on the other side of it, so stay with us.

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