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in this week, both sides turn their a tension to issue number one on minds of voters. economy and inflation. >> i will go after the bad actors and work to pass the first ever federal ban on price ganling on food. >> people are devastated by what has happened with inflation and all of the other things. >> they say it is most important subject. i'm not sure it is. they say it is the most important. inflation is the most important. >> the former president's prescription is two fold. >> vote trump. >> and a new line of false attacks on vice president harris. >> cakamala went full communist. she wants to destroy our country. after causing catastrophic inflation. >> we'll tell you why that is wrong and how the voters see the candidates' handling of the economy in our new cbs key poll

and talk with two key democrats, mark kelly and kentucky governor andy beshear. then, as u.s. negotiators appear oft mystic about a cease-fire between israel and hamas, ukraine makes a new move to turn the tables on russia. mike turner will be here. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." on the eve of the democratic national convention, our cbs news poll continues to show a very tight race in the 2024 presidential race. vice president kamala harris is three points ahead of former president donald trump nationwide. but in those seven key

battleground states, which could go either way, the race is a dead heat. joining us with more is cbs news executive director of elections and surveys, anthony salvanto, good to see you here. >> good morning. >> what do voters tell su most important heading into a pretty unusual democratic convention. >> so let's start by reminding everybody how we got here to what this is only could be described as a very close race. in fact, remember, the national vote doesn't decide the presidency, it is the battleground states and if you ub pack that and look at our estimates in each of the battlegrounds, what you see is close race after close race. that is because after kamala harris became the likely nominee, we saw a boost in democratic enthusiasm. nor democrats saying they were going to show up to vote. that boosts the poll numbers and that continues to this day. we see democrats matching republicans on that express likelihood to turn out. so when you watch the convention, look for them to try

to keep that enthusiasm up. that is number one. number two, on your question about defining kamala harris, so you see, a third of voters say they still don't know exactly what she stands for. >> interesting. >> interesting. but maybe not surprising because this is all so new, this re-set race. well, that is part of defining the space in which the contest within the contest to define her is going to be fought. and the other part i think, on that is, how similar is she to joe biden. because joe biden was trailing in this race, right, but democrats still like him. so we asked people, how similar is she and the bulk of voters say they think she's mostly similar in policies and views to joe biden but not exactly. and she does better among the mostly group. so that is the balancing act that democrats have going into the convention as well, margaret. >> now i know you're looking at the growing gender gap.

so does having a female at the top of the ticket make a difference for female voters. >> it is a mall mark for this race. the key thing is the why. first of all, you see more women feeling that kamala harris will be someone who fights for people like them than men say that. men say that more about donald trump. that is number one. number two, you look at the broader views on how people see the push for gender equality in the u.s., when people say it is going too far, they vote for donald trump. when people say it hasn't gone far enough and especially among women, they're overwhelmingly voting for harris. and then number three, look at that key issue of the economy. there is a couple of things here. one, is that harris trails trump on the economy, on inflation, on the border, all key important issues. but among women voters, she does

a little better on the economy and better than joe biden was doing. so women are giving her a little bit more benefit of the doubt on that and i think that starts to show you if the democrats could close that gap with donald trump on those key issues, that is where they start. >> you mentioned the border. how much of a challenge is it going to be for kamala harris to overcome some of that doubt. >> this is important, because for all of the movement we've talked about in this race, the things that haven't changed, the border remains to the advantage of donald trump. more voters think that it would be his policies that would slow or stop border crossings. and then you look at harris's connection to what people think the administration has done so far, and they see her as somewhat tied to it. but not necessarily a lot. again, that is part of that space in which they'll be trying to define what is her record been and where would she be going forward. and another key issue, but i got to emphasize this, abortion.

because that is something that you're going to see the democrats press a lot and it relates back to the gender gap an the women's vote. harris has a aadvantage for the abortion, and three quarters of women who think abortion should be legal say they're voting for her so that is what you want to press and it is that fight to define which issues are most important and that is one that democrats are going to press. >> fascinating. anthony salvanto, thank you. and now to mark kelly. joining us from chicago where the dnc will kick off tomorrow. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning, margaret. >> well you just heard some of our polling and if we zero in on your home state, a key battleground, we see that vice president harris is trailing donald trump by just one point. donald trump is expected to be visiting the border with mexico in your state at some point in the coming days. our cbs polling shows 48% of

registered voters believe that if harris wins the election, border crossings will increase. how much of a liability is that perception in arizona? >> well, margaret, first of all, thank you for having me on. with regards to the border, just like so many other issues, the contrast between donald trump and kamala harris could be not more clear. i think kamala harris has supported our bipartisan border security bill that donald trump told senate republicans to run away from. so she's been working on this issue. border crossings on the arizona border are down substantially. she's been focused on this issue. where the former president is trying to undermine our border security. i mean, he specific told my senate colleagues that they could not support this bill because he wanted to have this issue for the election. i've never seen anything like

this before. my three and a half years in the united states senate, and i really, i think it shows that kamala harris is the leader that could bring us into the future. donald trump just wants to drag us back into the past. >> do you have any idea where the border ranks for vice president harris because she hasn't talked about it much on the campaign trail to date. she has said she wanted to revive the legislation that you just talked about and an earned pathway to citizenship. is this a first 100 days priority for her. >> i heard her talk about it. i whats in an event in glendale, arizona, with my wife gabby giffords, 15,000 people in the room and a lot of excitement. we discussed this specifically, myself and the vice president about how the border is an important issue, especially for border states. the state of arizona, that i represent. and it is not only on border security. kamala harris really wanted to

reform our immigration system. our immigration system helps support our economy. and i expect, you know, that she will be focused on this after she's elected president. >> you need the rest of the congress to agree to follow that path and you know that is been an -- to date. >> and that -- that has with donald trump still in the picture. once he is done and gone, i really believe that my senate colleagues, the republicans in the united states senate, will get back on to this bill because they negotiated it, and this wasn't meeting them like on the 50 yard line on this issue. this was meeting them on the 10 yarmd on their side of the field and we almost had it done until donald trump said they're not allowed to vote for the bill. so i expect her to help us get this across the finish line and she said she would sign it. >> so, back during your 2022 senate debate, you said

democrats don't understand the border issue. you talked about how you had to stand up to president biden yourself when he was creating what you called a bigger crisis by taking up, quote, dumb move, by lifting title 42 pandemic era restrictions without a back-up plan in place. do you have hold vice president harris responsible for those decisions as well and how do you tell your fellow arizonans to dismiss it when you said that was a legitimate complaint? >> well, back in 2022, when we had what i would consider a crisis on our southern border, i talked about this with my senate colleagues, both democrats and republicans, and with the white house. and it was those discussions that enabled us to get to the point where we were able to negotiate a bipartisan agreement. and it addressed so many different things. it would provide more border patrol agents and more pay and money to build facilities to

temporarily hold migrants. so this legislation had a lot of things in effect. >> and it didn't get done. >> it was a reasonable compromise. it didn't get done because of donald trump. >> but when you were saying -- not because of the administration. >> when you say democrats doan understand this issue. do you think vice president harris understands this issue? >> yes, she does. absolutely. and i think when we talk about some of the democrats in the united states senate that weren't really getting it in 2022, now they get it and that is why we were going to be able to provide, i think the plan was to provide about 40 votes and the republicans about 20, we could get the legislation pass and then we could move on to the other stuff vice president harris has talked about, which is immigration reform. but again, donald trump, he just wanted to talk about this issue and so do my senate republicans by the way, right after j.d. vance became the nominee, what did he do. he went down to the southern border in arizona to take a

picture. he doesn't want to fix this. kamala harris will fix this problem. >> let me ask you about ukraine. i know you're very focused on that war. their forces launched this bold incursion into western russia into this kursk area. are you comfortable with u.s. weapons being used on russian soil? >> well, margaret, yes. i am, at this point. the ukrainians were illegally attacked by vladimir putin. i mean, he is intentionally killed women and children and old people. it was an illegal invasion. this incursion, and i'll -- let's characterize it that way for now, i don't think the ukrainians want to hold russian territory for a long period of time. but this set putin back on his heels. he's always tried to characterize himself as someone that is going to protect russia.

i think his citizens are seeing the results of what he is done in ukraine that now they are somewhat at risk. 130,000 russians have had to leave, leave their homes and at this point, in this conflict, i think the ukrainians did something unpredictable that could really change the tide of how this conflict is going to play out. >> a number of key former officials including the former supreme allied commander called for him to lift restrictions on the u.s. weapons provided to ukraine to allow them to strike legitimate military targets in russia. would you echo their calls? >> well, margaret, those restrictions, some of them have already been lifted. and since the invasion now, over two years ago, we have you know, periodically, as we should,

re-evaluate how we're going to conduct ourselves with regards to the ukrainians' use of the security assistance that we provide them and it is appropriate to continue to look at what their needs are and how could we make adjustments and what new weapons systems are we going to provide to them. think just got f-16s and my hope is over time the ukrainians learn how to better deploy that weapons system and we'll see some positive effects from f-16s on the the battle feel. the same is true for atacms and high mars. so periodically re-evaluated what we allow them to use is appropriate thing to do. >> senator mark kelly, thank you. "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us.

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having me. >> good to have you here in person. i want to talk about the election meddling that we're been hearing is underway. u.s. intelligence and the justice department said iran is working for the outcome of the next investigation. the fbi is investigating phishing attempts at both the trump and harris campaigns but we know in 2020 the supreme leader wanted to hurt donald trump in that election. are you satisfied with what the social media companies and u.s. intelligence are doing now? >> no, i think what is missing here is a response from the administration. you have microsoft coming forward and saying that the trump administration has been -- the trump campaign had been hacked, the administration, biden administration had identified that iran was attempting to do this including dispensing information but the administration has acknowledged that iran was executing a plan to assassinate donald trump.

they aedge willed that an individual in possession was part of that plot. but they don't have that response from the administration. most national security experts agree that killing a presidential candidate would be an act of war from a foreign power. well certainly attempting -- >> a surge -- >> attempting though, does at least require a response and this administration is both on the hacking side and on the misinformation side and on the alleged attempt on trump's life, is not holding iran accountable. no red lines so. >> so, you don't account the arrest and individual of those recruiting assassinations. >> this is not a law enforcement -- this is a nation state that has executed a plot to try to assassinate donald trump and is undertaking misinformation at election interference and including hacking. this requires a response by the administration. >> you have oversight of the

intelligence community. you can't talk about classified information but are you suggesting there aren't even covert actions taken against iran. >> i'm saying there is not a response that impacted iran or that has a deternt effect and holds them accountable and that results in increased activity and bolding of iran to meddle in our elections and to, i think, have people at risk in our country. >> what would you want to see? sanctions or -- >> well, of course, start with a statement by the administration. and then also you could go to there need to be statements of red lines and understanding what actions occur and then there does need to be action. i think the administration needs to look at what is their response going to be now that they're openly saying they have in custody part of an alleged plot to assassinate donald trump. >> and the other individuals, do they still receive protection largely from security and others. >> in addition to his cabinet members. >> right.

>> that have been threatened. >> so the administration is proving that. it my point. but on what the u.s. intelligence community is assessing about interfering in the election. the director of national intelligence did brief reporters and said that moscow has not changed its prior preference of the candidates which is in 2016 and 2020 is donald trump. is enough being done on that front in terms of that level of meddling which is expected to continue as well? >> i think what we're seeing here, in the part of iran, is that they understand that donald trump is anti-iran. and he recognizes that a strong america is a safer world. now, the -- if you look further, as to meddling and what russia is doing, trump has indicated that he wants to bring an end to the conflict between russia and krsh and it is not a anti-ukraine position and you were talk to mark kelly about

the restrictions placed on the biden administration, and those are resulting in the status quo of a game afterof attrition on ukraine. >> and i know you advocate this as well, but how much of this is based on the imperative that there are five months left of the biden administration and the trump-vance view is, quote, that it is not in america's interest to sustain that war. do you need to surge in the next five months because j.d. vance, who i've interviewed many times about this, is clear that, he is not for continued support financially. >> well no one is for this war continuing. but i certainly fully support ukraine. and i think a concern with the biden administration's restrictions, also needing to get them modified, is ukraine is finally in a position where they could hold russia accountable. if they can -- they have now

entered into russian territory. if they could use long range ammunition that are attacking ukraine, we could change the dynamics on the ground. you can't continue to have a front line in ukraine where russia is outproducing weapon systems that ukraine, from what ukraine has, and have this turn out well for ukraine. in this instance, if the biden administration's restrictions are lifted, we also know even if there is a harris administration that follows, that -- that ukraine's support would be there, the ability to hold russia accountable would be there. >> you have said you are concerned about aggressiveness from authoritarian nations putting democracies at risk. donald trump called xi jinping and vladimir putin lovely individuals and he said this on thursday. >> i'm not looking to be bad to iran. we're going to be friendly, i hope, with iran. maybe. but maybe not. but we're going to be friendly,

i hope, we're going to be friendly. but they can't have a nuclear weapon. they can't have a nuclear weapon. and we were all set to make sure they don't have a nuclear weapon. because once they do it is a whole different world. >> i'm sure you could be critical of democrats saying they want to be friendly of iran. what do you make of the messaging there with mr. trump. >> i don't think it is mixed messaging. so acknowledge, as some of the strengths of your adversaries is not having weakness on your own part. in fact, donald trump with the maximum pressure campaign on iran put the most pressure on iran they've had in any administration. both economically and militarily. >> and it didn't stop there -- >> and they had -- >> they restarted. >> in their processes, they had slowed, what we see now with this administration, they might declare themselves a nuclear weapons state by the end of this year. with the reports -- news reports have been out stating -- >> sawing that the supreme leader has changed his

conclusion on this. >> there is a possibility with the advances that have been made on the biden administration's policy that i iran could, reports are out, that iran could declare itself a nuclear weapon state by the end of the year. >> but that conclusion hasn't been made, has it. >> no. but you would not have had that under the trump administration maximum pressure campaign. the flexibility and freedom under the biden administration has given them the ability to try to influence our elections, actively tried to undertake a plot to assassinate donald trump and to continue their nuclear weapons and their nuclear enrichment programs. >> we have to leave it there. chair turner, we'll be right back.

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