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we are almost begging for fuel. absolutely unacceptable, and in fact, unbelievable. there should be an urgent shipment of fuel. >> we can't go back to failed strategies. there has to be a different regime in future for israelis and palestinians alike. that is what we give hope to palestinians, liberate them from hamas, liberate them from this tyranny. christian: the u.n. says the lack of fuel means it can no longer bring aid into gaza and people are facing the immediate possibility of starvation. israel said today it would allow it two fuel lorries a david we will ask the u.n.'s former director for operations in the occupied territories whether that will be enough to resume eight operations. the israeli military says a second message has been found dead near the al-shifa hospital near gaza. we will speak to a relative of
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one of the many outages still being held by hamas six weeks after they were objected october 7. an rishi sunak rejects criticism from t former home secretary that he is only tinkering with a plan to deport asylum-seekers to rwanda. we will look at what the revisions to the plan might entail. a very good evening. last night on this program we broke the story that the u.n.'s biggest agency in gaza would longer be able to bring in or distribute vital aid because the food ran out. today that came to pass. aid operations were shut down, but there was perhaps a glimmer of hope for the palestinians going hungry. the israeli war cabinet has approved the delivery of two trucks of fuel a day solely for the pumping of sewage and water. in the last hour a palestinian official has confirmed to the afp news agency that 17,000 liters of fuel have crossed into gaza this afternoon for
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communications, which have been down since yesterday. across the border in israel, a funeral has been held for a 19-year-old female soldier held hostage by hamas whose body was found by the idf. on thursday the military recovered the body of a 65-year-old hostage. israel's prime minister has told our sister network cbs news that a tunnel was found at the site along with evidence that hostages had been held within the hospital complex. he admitted that israel's efforts to minimize civilian casualties had not been successful. the current death toll to the hamas-run health ministry has passed 12,000. yogita lamaye has been working with a freelance journalist in gaza. their report does contain distressing images from the start, including injured children. yogita: monday in central gaza. tuesday.
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wednesday. thursday. airstrikes have continued to hit this trip this week, while israel conducts ground operations in the north. hundreds have been killed and injured. some of them from this family. "we are being killed, and no one is doing anything about it," this man shouts. he is still breathing, in critical condition. doctors scramble to treat the boy. on the floor by his bed, they check his father for a heartbeat. they can't hear it. his family in shock, still finding out who's been rescued,
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who's survived, and who hasn't from 30 members. this is their youngest, injured but not seriously. they fled for safety from the north. a bit later, his brother is taken to identify the bodies. four of the family have been killed. the little boy didn't ke it. "we thought we had come to a safe place, but no one is safe in gaza," he says. four of thousands of gazans killed. "goodbye, my dear," his mother says. "you are with god now. you were such a good son."
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grief is one form of suffering in gaza. this is another. hundreds gather outside one of the few flour mills still running. the manager tries to pacify people. "we haven't eaten for two days," some in the crowd shout. >> we've escaped death but now are dying slowly because of a severe shortage of food, flour, and basic needs. we are a family of eight. i bring discarded paper cups to keep my child warm. yogita:: here, too, they are under the set of -- the threat of bombardment. at the moment no aid trucks are going in for gaza's 2.2 million. all but a tiny handful can't get out. yogita lamaye, bbc news,
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jerusalem. christian: joining me tonight is a former director of operations and now a senior advisor for arab renaissance for development. can you explain the combination of factors that led to the decision yesterday to suspend aid? >> well, the situation that we witnessed on the ground is dramatically worse than anything i myself and the others who wrote this recent letter expressing concern with the situation in gaza, anything we have experienced, the principal reason that triggered the suspension of operations on the ground is indeed the lack of
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fuel to enable talks to move around for communication network to function, for sewage to be pumped away. the roads are covered in raw, untreated sewage. and so forth. there is no way we could provide ongoing support, transport flour to bakeries, distribute other humanitarian supplies to medical facilities and schools in which 800,000 displaced palestinians are currently sheltering. christian: i think we can understand what a problem a blackout is to an operation like the one they run. but can you explain in detail why communications is so important when you are running an aid operation? lex: well, the drivers needed to
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get directions where to move. the operations center needs to be in constant contact with drivers, convoy leaders, to accompany the convoys of food to make sure they are safe, to communicate back tohe israeli sorties when the convoys are on the road, the egyptian authorities for bringing in humanitarian aid and support. without basic communication, an aid operation is doomed. christian: the commissioner general described yesterday, this lack of fuel, as a deliberate attempt by israel to strangle and paralyze our operation. that is an extremely strenuous allegation. is it accurate? lex: well, it increasingly has become clear since the seventh of october that apart from
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revenge and taking on hamas, the principal of the israeli government with the current military operation, of the hostf the war, is to initiate a forced displacement of palestinians, and other ethnic cleansing. at present, 1.6 million people, more than two thirds of the gaza population, already internally displaced. i mentioned 800,000 in temporary shelters. and there is a risk with tensions building up in the south with the ongoing lack of humanitarian supplies, ongoing shelling, ongoing instructions by the israeli military for palestinians also in the south to relocate, and villages east.
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yesterday were receiving -- yesterday people were receiving written instructions to vacate known shelters, which can only refer to the already overcrowded schools that double as shelters. so, there is a dramatic risk that the pressure will build up to such an extent that people will break through the border with egypt and we may see a mass forced displacement into egypt in the coming days or weeks, with the changing weather, temperatures dropping, heavy rainfall, the situation will become truly, truly catastrophic. christian: israel says that in the past, the fuel has been diverted by hamas to its war operations. did u.s. the director of operations have any experience
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of that when you were in the post of if being confiscated? lex: in my time this did not come up. this is war number six since 2008, and as far as i am aware and as far as i've been following the developments over the past year, there has never been any diversion of fuel that has been made available to other humanitarian agencies but the purposes of its operations. the israeli authorities make allegations of these nature, including with respect to inappropriate use of medical facilities and also schools. there has never been any credible and solid evidence with respect to or pointing to inappropriate use. christian: good to talk to you this evening. thank you for your thoughts.
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lex: you're welcome. christian: let's talk about the hostages. a second person taken hostage by hamas has been found dead in the grounds of al-shifa hospital. she is a 19-year-old soldier, noa marciano. it is not clear how she died. hamas said she was killed by an israeli airstrike. on thursday idf said they found the body of a 65-year-old mother of five in the same facility. the israeli military says 629 people were taken hostage by hamas. the families walking from tel aviv to jerusalem to pressure the government to prioritize their release. only four have been freed. one of hundreds of family members waiting to hear from loved ones who are being held hostage, his aunt and uncle, ruthie and abraham, both aged 78, were taken october 7, along with their daughter karen and
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her nine-year-old son. his other cousin was killed in the attacks. he was a devoted liverpool supporter. he joins me know fro -- joins me now from israel. thank you very much for coming on the program. tell me about your family and the information you have been given so far by the israeli government. >> thank you. i have to relight to a thing that the director of operation just said, he said there is no fuel. hamas just fired. i don't know how you do that without fuel. in the al-shifa, you said yourself, two bodies of hostages were found near the hospital. they do use medical facilities for trevor. -- for terror. anyway, my family. they were taken from their home, objected by hamas octobers --
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abducted by hamas october 7. we do not know anything since. the only thing we know a few days later is there phones were located in gaza. the four of them. one was murdered and it wasn't killed by some mystery, he was murdered by hamas terrorists. the four of them were taken from their homes in their pajamas come from their beds, by hamas, and we don't know what is their condition. we don't know if they are alive or n, we don't know if they are getting medicine. my uncle needs to take medicines daily. he barely walks, needs a cane to walk. we don't know if they have their glasses on. if you don't have glasses, you can't do anything. the red cross does not cooperate. the red cross does not even know who is a hostage.
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the red cross under the geneva code is supposed to visit prisoners of war. but the thing is they are not even prisoners of war. they are innocent civilians who were violently subducted from their homes. -- abducted from their homes. so this is a come against humanity committed by hamas. the entire world to do everything, everything for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages. christian: in mind of everything you have said, and it is all very important context, what do you make a currently of the international calls for humanitarian cause and some calls for a cease-fire altogether? itay: i think that calling for a cease-fire without calling for the immediate and unconditional release of hostages is supporting terror. this is the first thing that started this war was, murdering, raping, objecting innocent civilians. -- abducting innocent
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civilians. the day before the attack ere was a cease-fire in place. what is the point of a cease-fire now? if they release hostage, there might be a point for a cease-fire. but if you talk about humanitarian aid and cease-fire without talking about the israeli civilians held by a vicious terrorist organization -- christian: you don't worry that we don't know how the two hostages were killed who were found around the grounds of al-shifa hospital -- you aren't concerned that the scale of the bombardment and the ferocity of the attack on gaza puts these hostages at risk? itay: so, i don't think so because i think hamas is able to keep safe whoever they want to keep safe. this is how hamas leaders are still safe and still alive. second, i don't know if you saw the video of the soldier who was killed, but i saw this video,
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and the injuries she had is not from bombing, ok? her ankles were cut. you can see the cuts. this is not something of bombing, this is hamas propaganda saint it was the israelis -- christian: just on that, when you are desperately waiting for news and all the worry and fear and anger that is associated with that, when you hear of these deaths, this 19-year-old corporal and mother of five, how do you react to that? i would imagine that all the husted families are talking to one another. -- hostage families are talking to one another. you presumably knew their families. itay: i do. i know the mother and i spent the week with her, speaking to politicians in the united states, trying to call for the immediate and unconditional release of hostages. it broke my heart hearing the
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news and seeing the video. i just want to say most of the pele that were violently murdered and raped and abducted from their homes were and still are peace activists. they support palestinian rights. they participate in so many peace programs through the years. right now held by hamas. they took sick children and people from gaza into israel hospitals for treatments. they are socialists, left wing, they support coexistence and human rights and care for palestinian rights. these are the people who suffer the most brutal attack by hamas. and i think, again, anyone who believes in human rights and anyone who believes in humanity and advocates for human rights, they should support the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages because they are innocent civilians and
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there are kids there. my cousin, he is nine years old, he had his ninth birthday in captivity in the hands of hamas. another birthday of another girl who was also nine. over 30 kids -- kids, not soldiers -- innocent kids that are held by hamas, alive, i hope so. i don't know because the red cross does not visit the hostages. over 30 kids inuding 10 months old baby. 10 months old baby. this is unimaginable. we don't know if the mother is with him, we don't know if he is getting his formula, if anyone changes his diapers. we don't know anything. and hamas violently abducted them from their homes. it's all filmed. it's not fake news or something. they took them from their homes, they are now held by hamas. in the entire world, entire international community, should do everything to release them immediately. christian: itay, i am pressed
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for time a little bit, but listen, we are sending you and your family the best and we hope for the safe return of your loved ones. thank you for coming on the program tonight. itay: thank you very much. christian: around the world and across the u.k this is bbc news. let's take a quick look at some of the other stories making news today. two 12-year-old boys have been remanded into custody after being charged with the murder of a 19-year-old man who was stamped on a playing field near a school near east park monday. the boys who appeared at the birmingham magistrate court cannot be named due to their age. a sheffield wednesday supporter who taunted rival fans bite mocking the death of the mascot has been given a 12-week suspended prison sentence. he was seen laughing as he held up the image of the six-year-old at a match against summerland, the team he supported before he died of cancer in 2017. the government says an 8 billion pound fund will be made available to councils in england
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to help tackle potholes. the transport secretary said motorists would immediately see improvements in road conditions. councils on the other hand say the cost of repairing local roads is closer to $14 billion -- 14 billion pounds. you are live with bbc news. what a difference a week makes ain politics. last week the home secretary was standing behind the plan to send asylum-seekers to rwanda. a week later she is out now a vocal critic of rishi sunak's handling of the affair. she called the prime minister's plan to revive the policy magical thinking. she wants the government to pass emergency legislation for christmas that would set aside human rights law and deny any future legal changes. joining me now is an immigration
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barrister and professor at southhampton law school. thank you very much for coming on the program, good to see you again. can you tell me with respect to what youre hearing about the revised plan, do you think what he is getting into, the prime minister, would satisfy the supreme court a second time around? >> well, i think the role is try to get away from supreme court as much as possible. we started the week with such an amazing example of how british constitution works, with british judges in a british court applying british law to make it quite clear that we cannot send refugees to rwanda, where there are substantial grounds that it is a real risk they will suffer persecution and harm by being returned back to their countries of origin, including afghanistan, syria, and yemen. now we have a prime minister which in effect says to the house of lords if you don't allow this legislation to go
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through, i'm going to have to call an election. like clear concern is in relation to the five-point plan in relation to try to circumvent the rule of law, and that is what we can't have in the u.k., because it is not a foreign court which ruled the policy unlawful, it was a british court, supreme court. christian: there are other countries executing a rwaa- style policy -- germany, the danes. are you saying the very idea of processing asylum-seekers and other countries not possible? >> it is not just united nations high commissioner for refugees has made it very clear -- christian: even if it were safe? >> well, we have to take responsibility, and it is very important that those who come to the u.k. to claim asylum have their claims processed. that is the you and high commissioner for refugees. -- u.n. high commissioner for
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refugees. it is our responsibility under the treaty. it is not only the 1951 refugee convention protocol and the principle of non-reform. it is not only article three of the u.n.'s convention of human rights, but our treaty obligations and primary legislation -- christian: just very quickly, i only have a minute left, but there will be some people who say these human rights conventions are out of date. some of them were drawn up postwar and did not foresee the mass movement of tens of thousands of people. are they in need of revision? >> no, they protect you and i against the overreaching of the state in relation to our fundamental human rights. these are conventions which are primarily written by british legislators and drafted to protect all of us, not just refugees. wettack the most marginalized people in society and erode their human rights, than you and
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i are next. christian: always good to get your thoughts. we watch that closely. we are expecting emergency legislation before christmas. we will see whether that is the case. do stay with us. we will talk about ukraine and draft dodgers on the other side of the break. do stay with us for that. narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪
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