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be for the cop to reaca consensus on the need to phase out fossil fuels. >> phasing out language has been repled with reducing both consumption and production. you have been hearing reaction from many countries. many are disappointed. some are angry. >> let's unite, let's act, and let's deliver. >> [shouting unintelligibly] >> this text is clearly insufficient and disappointing. the text is far away from what the world needs for a turning point. ♪ >> at the cop 28 climate summit, is the final deal going to be negotiations going into the night?
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also, the offensive continues across the gaza strip. the u.n. general assembly is likely to vote on a cease-fire tuesday. in the u.k., quite the day for prime minister rishi sunak. questions from the covid inquiry. then, questions about his new rwanda immigration bill from several parts of his own party. we will look at what it means. barbenheimer is back. barbie and oppenheimer lead the nominations at the golden globe awards. we are going to start with the cop 28 climate summit being held right now in dubai. we are getting to the crucial part. they have published the latest draft of the deal it hopes to pass. what is not in it is what has caused the anger. no commitment to phasing out fossil fuels.
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let's take a look. the text includes a range of actions that could be taken by countries to reduce emissions. could, not should, we will come back to that. it makes no direct reference to phasing out fossil fuels. that was something demanded by the u.n. secretary general earlier on monday. take a listen. >> a central aspect in my opinion of the success of the cop will be for the cop to reach a consensus on the need to phase out fossil fuels in line with the time framework that is in line with the limits. that does not mean all countries must phase out fossil fuels at the same time. >> so, no commitment things -- as things stand to phase out fossil fuels. plenty of groups angry about
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that. we have heard anger and disappointment from the u.k., the european union, and the alliance of small island states. have a listen. >> and they continue to serve an antiquated industry responsible for over 92% of the co2 emissions and rising, the oceans will be here. we will never stop fighting for a future where our people cannot just survive but thrive. because as a result of the actions, we have no other choice. we remind you yet again our small developing states are on the front lines of this climate crisis. if you continue prioritizing profit over people, you are putting your own future on the line. we call on all of our allies to stand with us to keep 1.5 alive.
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>> the text lists a kind of menu of things countries could do but does not say they should. it says they could. here is our climate editor on that. >> negotiators and campaigners agree the world was the closest it has ever been to agreeing on a deal to get rid of fossil fuels which are causing climate change affecti o few hold counts led by saudi arabia. they included iraq and bolivia. it seemed if anyone could persuade them to get on board, the uae could come up those hosting the conference, neighbors of saudi arabia. a couple of hours ago, we got a new text. instead of phasing out fossil fuels, we have a list of options, a menu, you can choose to do all or none. a very weak deal. the 80-plus countries really wanted a strong deal and have retreated to their negotiating
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rooms to consider how much they can get back of the strong language in the text. we will see as negotiations continue. >> the policy director for the climate and energy program, dr. rachel peters, thank you for coming on the program. >> thank you for having me. >> what you make of where we are now? >> this is not the text we expected a day before the cop is supposed to end. it is deeply disappointing. while there are lots of implications of the science, the actual text is not measuring up to what science shows is necessary to meet our climate goals. we have to phase out fossil fuels. that means sharp cuts within the skripal decade. not just some far away net-zero. it does not mention phase out.
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it does not talk about this critical decade. there is no finance on the table for low and middle income countries to make the energy transition. it is a complete disaster of the text. we can definitely turn this around but there has to be the political will and they have to make sure we get to the outcome we came here to secure. >> so much of the conversation has been around phasing out fossil fuels. is it the simple fact you need to get agreement from many different parties or countries that is why it is potentially gone? >> there is no mistaking the fact we are seeing the influence of fossil fuel countries and petro states that want to preserve profit even as the planet is experiencing devastating climate impacts. we saw an incredible number of
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fossil fuel lobbyists at cop. we have seen saudi arabia declare they are opposed to phasing out fossil fuels. this is the necessity. this is what science is showing is necessary. it is time to stand up to these holdouts and secure what people around the world need. >> is there anything that can view hope or optimism in the text that you have seen? >> there are certainly options in here. there is no doubt we want to replace, substitute fossil fuels, ramp up renewables and energy efficiency. we see a nod to that in the text. we see an opportunity to phase out most fossil fuel subsidies except for the ones helping with energy poverty. these are all important things. as you mentioned at the top, they are all completely optional. that word "could"s fatal.
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we have to turn could into should. we have to make sure there is financing on the table for countries to close the gap. we do not have a lot of time. this is crunch time at cop. we have to turn this around quickly. >> you say quickly. there are literly hours heading into tomorrow until we find out what the actual final wording is. how optimistic are you of any change? >> we are hearing from countries like the european union countries, the united states, and others, that the text is not what it needs to be. we need to see countries being very clear the text is an adequate, pointing out what needs to change, isolating countries like saudi arabia and telling them this is where the world is moving and they have to
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move in that direction. for over a decade now, we have not seen a cop end on time. it would not be the worst thing if the cop goes into overtime. let's take the extra days needed, but let's secure the agreement. >> we are going to revisit this in 24 hours. as you pointed out, it could go on and on. we will be following every step of the way. thank you for coming on the program. next to the israel gaza war. first, we are going to look at the situation on the ground. israeli tanks reached the main north-south road while in the north ofaza, take a look. the area around the rugee camp . just one example. staff at the hospital said they
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are under siege. one worker sent an audio message to a spanish radio station with the sound of the bombardment in the background. have a listen. >> the beginning of the siege. yesterday, they are bombing the tanks of water. now we don't have water. there are concerns about the smell. because there is no water from yesterday at night. this morning, without water, and also the smell of bacteria from the legs and arms of the patients. >> that gives you some insight into conditions there. israel has issued another call for palestinians to evacuate
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gaza city in the north and in the south, as you can see on the map. residents are being pushed further south to rafah which is unable to shelter everyone with shortages of food and water. the u.n. has voiced concern the situation could lead to the mass exodus of palestinians into egypt. meanwhile, hamas continues to launch rockets into israel. our international editor reports. you may find some details in the report upsting. >> taking cover on the road to tel aviv from rockets out of gaza. air raid sirens and the activation of israel's iron dome antimissile system. most of the time, life looks pretty normal here in central israel. but everything changed with the october 7 attacks. their fear shows the depth of the collective trauma hamas inflicted on israelis. the iron dome took care of most
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of the rockets. but one man nearby was hurt. the fact hamas can still attack means it is not beaten. we were going to tel aviv to see the man on the left, a veteran fighter pilot, air force general, and former head of israeli military intligence, who still advises his successors. >> the u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin said if israel continues the way it is, the risk is a tactical victory but strategic defeat because too many palestinians will have been killed. what do you make of that statement? >> israel is having a better ratio than the americans and brits. >> what about the civilians? >> when i say collateral damage, i'm speaking about the civilians. there are more civilians killed
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in other areas then gaza. please check the numbers. >> why is it the americans, your most significant ally, is saying israel is killing too many palestinians? >> they want to be done without any collateral damage. if they have the formula have to do it, please help us to have it. this formula does not exist. >> will this lead to a lengthy occupation of gaza? >> we do not want to occupy gaza. we do not want hamas to be in gaza. there will not be a military power that can repeat the october 7 attack on israel. >> the future for wounded civilians in gaza's last few overcrowded hospitals may be amputations or death as they are not getting the follow-up treatment they need.
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she has just been wounded for the second time. she says they cut my hand. my grandpa was killed. my dad was shocked. my brother is dead. my dad was shot. she is asked what she wants. a new hand. jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. >> we are going to speak now to jason lee, director for the occupied te territory for save e children. thank you for coming on the program. i gather you have just been in rafah. can you tell us what you saw? >> conditions are getting worse, as throughout all of the gaza strip. with the increased military offensive, the population again is being forced to move south. these are people that already moved on the premise of being safe. rafa cannot accommodate the
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hundreds of thousands of civilians that again will be homeless. there is not enough shelter. there is no room to accommodate them. there is not enough infrastructure, access to food, water, sanitation, and critically, the health system is on the brink of collapse. >> sorry to jump in. is this a situation where getting more trucks of aid to the other side of the border to try and support people can help in a significant way or are there too many people in one space now? >> too many people in one space. infrastructure cannot support it. getting more trucks in is necessary but will not solve the problem. there are still hundreds of thousands of civilians in the area and in gaza city.
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many of them cannot move. people with disabilities, the elderly, the sick, children. they do not forfeit the right to protection or to receive assistance because they cannot move, especially when there is ongoing military exercise. >> so, if people need help and aid and basic supplies up and down the gaza strip, not just at the border crossing area in your eyes, the only way to get that amount of aid in and around the gaza strip would be a pause in the fighting? >> a cease fire. a pause is not sufficient. a cease fire is e only thing that will allow civilians to be safe. the protection of civilians is paramount. this war has had an asymmetric impact on the most vulnerable in our society. seven out of 10 of the civilians killed or injured has been a woman or a child.
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again, a pause is not sufficient. it requires a full cease fire and the unfettered access for humanitarian support throughout the gaza strip. that means more goods in, more people in, and the ability for humanitarians to deliver throughout the strip. >> is there any way more work can be done with the israelis to get more aid in if there is no cease fire? >> it is incumbent upon the government of israel to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian assistance. it is its obligation under international law. there 2.3 million civilians in gaza. 1.1 million children need lifesaving assistance. it is critical goods come in. that we are allowed to bring in humanitarian personnel to deliver the goods, and allowed the freedom of movement within the gaza strip. at the moment, we don't have any of those.
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we are not allowed to move freely. we doot have enough goods or supplies coming in. we do not have enough people coming in. most of all, there is still ongoing conflict targeting civilians and humanitarians disproportionately. >> jason lee from save the children, thank you very much for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. a quick look at other stories making news today. three people who tortured, starved, and beat to death a woman from west london were found guilty of her murder. chick era was 35 when she was -- shakira spencer was 35. the health security agency warns longer and warmer summers could increase the risk of mosquitoes becoming established in the u.k.. they can spread deadly fevers
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and is eager virus -- the zika virus. they must pay more than 48,000 pounds to the publishers of the mail on sunday after losing part of the battle. it relates to an article about his security arrangements. this is bbc news. we are going to come to the u.k. now. the covid inquiry looking into how political decisions were made during the pandemic is continuing. today, it was the turn of prime minister rishi sunak to aner questions. he started by apologizing to everyone who lost loved ones during the pandemic. he was chancellor at the time and has been accused by some of putting the economy before lives.
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the criticism centers around his month-long eat out to help out scheme in august of 2020, subsidized by the government. they said they would protect jobs in the hospitality industry, and boost the economy. one analysis says the benefit to the industry was small compared to other measures. the scheme started in august when covid cases begin to rise in september. here is mr. rishi sunak speaking today. >> my primary concern was protecting millions of jobs of particularly vulnerable people who work in this industry. all of the data, evidence, pulling, input from those companies suggested unless we did something, many of those jobs would have been at risk with devastating consequences for those people and their families. that is why independent think tanks recommended doing something like this.
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indeed, other countries have done something like this because everyone was grappling with the same issue of how to ensure the jobs safeguarded. that was the primary driver for what we were doing. >> our correspondent is in westminster. what did we learn? >> we learned three things about mr. sunak. one is he is in the most mighty political pickle at the moment. he was remarkably calm given what is swelling in the background. second, i thought it was interesting that despite being given many opportunities to agree with some of the witnesses to the inquiry that boris johnson had been a hopeless prime minister, rishi sunak did not want to go near that and rather backed his former boss. the third thing was he was utterly unapologetic about the idea of there being this debate
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about health pressures protecting lives and the socioeconomic consequences of lockdowns. he was sort of unapologetic saying it was my job to absolutely press for government to consider those socioeconomic harms. >> as you teased, there is more going on. we will be back with you in a second. as were ceasing that -- as rishi sunak left the inquiries, more questions tonight about his rwanda bill. the plan is to get people to arrive on boats and put on planes to rwanda. this attempt to make it happen has too ma holes in it says one group of conservative m.p.'s. vote is expected tomorrow. where are we with the rwanda bill tonight? >> it is a truly perilous moment for rishi sunak for several reasons. this is one of his key five
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pledges he made at the start of this year that he would stop the boats and do that by sending some asylum-seekers to rwanda in the hope of deterring others from making the crossing from france to the u.k. it looks in a peerless position. you have the right of the governing conservative party saying what mr. sunak is proposing which is a law that would severely limit the possibility of asylum-seekers to challenge deportation to rwanda, they say it does not go far enough. the center of the party are saying if you made the bill even more radical and just supplied all of britain's obligations, we would not support it. rishi sunak finds himself in an almighty bind. >> if we zoom out a bit because we will get into the detail of the bill and the boats in 24 hours -- and the votes in
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24 hours, was this the only option? were there other policy options that could have been simpler? >> let me zoom out even further to deal with the tactical issue you are mentioning. there are lots of people who think the rwanda policy is unwise, expensive, and possibly not going to work. they think, what about rishi sunak's judgment? was he wise to pursue this given the moving parts he could not control such as the maker of the rwandan government, theourts, the international courts? there is a view it was not smart to die on this particular hill. it goes back to the brexit battles within the governing conservative party. there is one wing of the party
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that utterly prioritizes sovereignty, security, being populist, doing things that are popular, why could we not just deport these people crossing in boats? you have the other wing of the party thinking we accept brexit but we do not like anything that damages the way the rest of the world sees britain. it is that rishi sunak is grappling with, a particular policy which many think is unworkable, against a wider philosophical, and the illogical war -- ideological war in the party. >> interesting 24 hours ahead. more on that on tuesdays program. stay with us. i will be narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is proded by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors.
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