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safe. we are going to be giving her police officers immunity so every time they do something they don't get sued. [applause] we are going to end crime in our cities. >> do we want more of the same? >> no! >> or do you want a new generation of conservative leadership? >> it is a crushing victory, you just don't win by margins like that. 51%, that has never been done before. key won 98 out of 99 counties in iowa. ♪ >> and so it became three. donald trump wins in a landslide in iowa, only haley and desantis stand between him and the republican nomination. after last night's result it looks a formality. where does the race go from here?
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what does it all mean for the rest of us? more resignations in the conservative party. two have quit to rebel against rishi sunak's rwanda bill. and the company behind the post office's faulty i.t. system admits they do have a moral obligation to pay compensation. a very good evening. since the first indictment was issued in new york last year, donald trump's campaign has been a proverbial snowball, rolling downhill, getting bigger, gathering momentum, seemingly unstoppable. last night, it rolled into the frozen tundra of iowa and crushed the opposition. it was a historic night for the former president, he took 51% of the vote and the gop is entirely his party. deposes huge questions for his two remaining opponents, ron desantis who came second head of
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the former south carolina governor nikki haley. right now, it is not a race for second, it is a race for relevancy. trump rebound is more stunning because he faces a multitude of charges and allegations. he could even be convicted before he takes office. on leaving iowa, he went straight to a courtroom in manhattan for the opening of a defamation trial. the court case now part of the campaign. >> i really think this is time for everybody in our country to come together. we want to come together. whether it is republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. it wou be so nice if we could come together and straighten out the world and straighten out the problems and straighten out all of the death and destruction we are witnessing. it has practically never been like this. it is so important. we need to come together. it is going to happen soon. >> the victory speech last night was conciliatory, in sharp
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contrast to the rhetoric of recent trump rallies talking about retribution and labeling political opponents as vermin, he has warned immigrants are poisoning the blood of the nation. and they love him for it. they are suspicious of the washington elite and are deeply frustrated with the left and the perceived woke agenda. where does this go from here? is there still a race for the republican nomination? what would a trump second term mean for the rest of us? who better to steer us through all of that than our u.s. special correspondent? a very good evening to you. welcome back to the set, lovely to have you alongside. >> k, christian. >> he wanted a blow out and there is no doubt it was an overwhelming endorsement by the iowa republicans. give us an answer to the first question. where does the race going? >> well, in literal terms it
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goes on to new hampshire where there is a primary next tuesday. new hampshire voters are different from iowa voters. they tend to be more independent. there are more voters undeclared than democrats or republicans. in some ways, it is more representative of the rest of america than iowa. nikki haley and ron desantis and donald trump will all go there. at the moment, nikki haley is a little bit behind donald trump in the new hampshire polling. if nikki haley were to win new hampshire, then that would breathe some last gasps of life into the argument that perhaps this is not donald trump's automatic coronation, but that we have a race on our hands. after that, it goes onto nevada and south carolina and all the other states. we've got another week i suppose that we all have to wait until we see that iowa was an anomaly and trumps a blow out and iowa
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is a very conservative, very white state with not very many college-educated graduates and he is going to do less well in a state like new hampshire, which is a little bit more demographically next. >> i want to put on the screen for our viewers some figures cnn showed, exit polls last night. 65% of those who voted say they would support donald trump even if he is convicted. 66% of voters don't think biden legitimately won the 2020 election. those who like joe biden believe this is the most un-democratic president in american history. they will look at these figures with utter dread. >> yes. it is interesting those numbers, their entrance polls, not exit polls. iowa is wonderful and corky in many ways. they pull people as they go in
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perhaps because after two hours of caucusing in a school hall in iowa, you are fed up to the back teeth with politics and he rejects the idea of being pulled on the way out. that 60% who think that if he is convicted, they would still vote for him. let's flip that and say that means that 30% wouldn't vote for him. that is 30% of a very conservative electorate that is very much friendly to donald trump in the middle of the country say they wouldn't. also add to that 60% of nikki haley's voters in iowa last night, also when these polls, said they won't vote for donald trump if he is the republican nominee. it's not very big numbers, but you know this, the last election was only won by 100,000 votes in five different states. you need tiny margins.
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the white house is thinking today, donald trump won by a blowout, he still clearly very -- popular, but peel away me of these numbers. all you have to do is chip away at the odd thousand votes here and there in georgia and arizona, in wisconsin and you have the potential to have a much more competitive race in november. you can twist those numbers either way. you can say that is crazy that so many people think donald trump won the 2020 election and so many people don't care even if he is a convicted felon in a federal court. but from the white house's point of view, there are glimmers of hope for biden's reelection chances. >> you wrote an interesting piece for bbc online on what the rest of the world sees here. split that down for us. how will they view last night's result? >> you know, the world is always interested in american
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elections. america matters around the world in a way that no other country still does. i think this time around, partly because of the prospect of donald trump returning, partly because there are two hogwarts america is involved in even if indirectly in gaza and ukraine at the moment, there is an enormous focus on whether we are going to have a change of policy in november and the white house that would impact the rest of the world. some countries around the world and this was interesting in my reporting, some countries around the world would welcome a return of donald trump. we always assume not everybody would, but there are countries in the middle east for example where joe biden has been pretty critical of the leadership that might say, we want donald trump back again. there are countries with populist leaders who say, we are going to get a better deal. but there are an awful lot of america's allies, you must hear
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from them all the time, in europe, in parts of asia that look on the prospect of donald trump returning with some alarm and consternation as we have been hearing from world leaders. nowhere is that more true than in ukraine, which is literally depending on america to keep its war going. >> i do hear that, but i hear largely in private. i think the only european leader i have heard expressed the concern that is out there is christine look guard, the president of the ecb, who said if we are to draw lessons from history, the way he ran the first four years of his mante, it's clearly a threat. there will be others that privately share that view and they will worry that in a second term, the restraints that might have been there the first time around will be removed. >> yes, i had an interesting conversation with senator coonz who you have spoken to many times who is cochair of biden's
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reelection campaign and very close to president biden and he said that there has not been a single conversation with a world leader or a global foreign secretary in the last three years in which at some point he has not been asked this question, is it really possible that america could reelect donald trump? he said and i have to tell them, yes, it is possible. i thought christine look guard's comments were interesting. she stuck her neck out in public in a way that may be is considered indiscreet. she is certainly not a world leader, she is not running a country. she would probably find it pretty uncomfortable if she carried on as the head of the ecb of donald trump were elected. she points to the specific areas, the fact that donald trump imposed tariffs on european countries, the fact that he has said and i have spoken to the trump campaign and they are still committed to the fact that he would like to pull out of nato.
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she pointed to climate change. we know that donald -- donald trump pulled out of the paris agreement. and the war in ukraine. she pointed to specific areas where history might tell us what the next presidency might do if it was donald trump. in my conversations with the trump campaign, those are all areas they are looking to have a change of policy from joe biden and a change of policy that many europeans wouldn't like. >> we have talked about where it goes next in terms of the race. what about the court cases which are now a prominent part of this campaign? how do they fit into the calendar and how is he using those to his benefit? >> yes god, can you imagine trying to run american presidential campaign? there is nothing in the world, no money that you could pay me to be a candidate in one of these campaigns. you never sleep, you are on the road the whole time, you are out
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all over the country. it's a nightmare. taxes even a 45-year-old like barack obama when he was running. how on earth donald trump or joe biden can manage this at their age and then donald trump has all of these court cases and where is he today? he's not a new hampshire or south carolina campaigning, where has he been over the last week? he hasn't been in iowa barnstorming across the country in 100 counties like ron desantis did come a much good did that do, he is in court cases. he is choosing to be in these court cases. they could proceed without him being there. legally, there is no requirement for him to be there. donald trump last year saw a direct uptick in his polling amongst republican voters when alvin bragg indicted him in the stormy daniels fraud case. we all watched all of those pictures. that did wonders for donald trump's campaign and we have
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seen that with every indictment he has had, he clocks up more campaign fundraising and he gets a boost in the polls. there have been so many that republican voters say they all think this is a witch hunt. that is why he is turning up in these court rooms. this is fantastic campaigning opportunity for him. is it going to be a problem when he actually goes through these trials, like the jack smith trial in january 6 and people are reminded in the see the images again of the storming of the capitol? if he is convicted before november, will that be a problem for him? look at the iowa voters who say, if he is convicted, at the moment they are saying, three and 10 are saying if he is convicted of a crime, that doesn't sit so well with me. i don't think we know yet. i know that up until now these court cases have been a political boon for him amongst republican voters and primary
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voters. what we don't know is how they will play out in the general electorate. >> it's not a problem for him within the party because the likes of kevin mccarthy, lindsey graham, who walked back their criticisms of his behavior posted january 6, they have let him off the hook for that. the two candidates have let him off the hook for that. they have used the same rhetoric that the system is rigged. when we talk about where the race goes from here, it gives them very little room. what do they campaign against him on now that we are into the final stretches of the new hampshire primary? >> it's a great question. does nikki haley, because i think it is only nikki haley that matters at this point because although ron desantis did better than expected in iowa, he is nowhere in ne hampshire. we are going to come out of this
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with a two person race. i think it is a one person race, i think donald trump has it. what does nikki haley do to try to increase her chances? does she come out full throated and attack donald trump? i don't know. it didn't work for marco rubio. it's a hard thing for republican candidates to pull off. how does she do it without alienating -- even if she were to do it and by some miracle almost succeed and win the nomination, is she really annoys donald trump's voters, will they turn out for her and vote in november? you can't lose part of the base that still thinks almost that donald trump is the messiah. in iowa, he has taken almost a religious like image among some conservative evangelical voters. i think she has to keep walking this weird fine line of saying he is too old. most republicans and most voters think joe biden is the old one,
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so that doesn't seem to work really well. say that he is followed by chaos and reiterate that. maybe that works a little bit better. i don't think we will see a sudden new nikki haley going into new hampshire or coming out of new hampshire. >> are you going to miss this? [laughter] >> i've enjoyed it. >> get your agent to talk to my agent. >> my people will talk to your people. it is very hard to get on your show. you are very sought after. i phone every day, but nobody picks up. >> i went to the dry cleaners last week, there was a woman having her jacket pinned and she sort of recognized me faintly and she said, you were katty kay's sidekick. i said, yes, forever. >> yeah, right. we will be back. >> lovely to see you. no doubt we will see you on the
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race somewhere in the coming months. after thereak, we talk more about iowa and new hampshire and were nikki haley and ron desantis go from here. we will be joined by the former gp communications director. all of that to come after the break. let's take a quick look at some of the other stories making news in the u.k. today scotland's top prosecutor has apologized to post office branch managers who suffered miscarriages of justice thanks to the faulty i.t. system. prosecutors in scotland repord issues of evidence in 2013 but did not stop pursuing cases until 2015. travelers are facing disruption following snowfall across parts of the u.k.. more than 100 school closures in scotland. the subzero temperatures are to stay with us until the weekend at least.
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scotland is expected to see up to 10 centimeters of snow falling on high ground. the portrait of king charles that will hang in public buildings in the u.k. has been unveiled with the monarch wearing his royal navy uniform. schools are able to request a framed copy of that photograph. you are watching bbc news. before we get carried away with donald trump's landslide victory last night, as impressive as it was, consider this. 110,000 people voted in a state of 3 million. a very small percentage of the american electorate. it is overwhelmingly white and evangelical. together, the candidates spend $120 million on the campaign. that is all most $1000 a vote. the general election is a very different game and there are some signs that nikki haley
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fares better with independents and better in a head-to-head against joe biden. before she left iowa, she reminded voters that she is still t candidate for renewal. >> tonight, i will be back in the great state of new hampshire and the question before americans is now very clear. do you want more of the same? >> no! >> or do you want a new generation of conservative leadership? our campaign is the last best hope of stopping the trump-biden nightmare. >> we thank you for your effort, we thank you for your support. you helpeus to get a ticket punched out of the hawkeye state. we have a lot of work to do, but i can tell you this as the next president of the united states, i'm going to get the job done for this country. [cheering]
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i am not going to make any excuses and i guarantee you this , i will not let you down. >> let's get the thoughts of the resident scholar at the uva center for politics. also here, pitical scientist at drake university in iowa. thank you very much for being here. let me start with you, tara. can you make a case for desantis and haley going forward? >> well, not for desantis at this point. i think his campaign is a dead campaign walking and has been for some time. the amount of money they blew through and how quickly they blew through it. the fact that he had to revamp his campaign several times, those are never several times -- good signs of a strong, competent campaign. we saw the way he was received when he was involved in that
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retail politics. he is very awkward and doesn't look like he wants to be there. that is what he skips new hampshire. his brand of politics doesn't translate in new hampshire at all. he squeaked a second place out of iowa after spending all that time and money there. i've never seen anyone so excited to lose by 30 points. donald trump is winning by 40 points over haley in new hampshire, moreover desantis. i think he is just prolonging the inevitable. nikki haley, even though she came in third, it has tempered some expectations. she has a broader appeal and somewhere like new hampshire, but when you should from there? she's losing considerably in her own home state and that is never a vote of confidence. donald trump has this wrapped up and by super tuesday, they are not going to catch him now, but by super tuesday he will have so many delegates that it is inevitable. >> i'm sure you' been drilling
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into the numbers from the vote last night. one of the arguments that has been made for nikki haley is that she does better with moderates, independents, college-educated white americans. could you look at any of the figures in iowa to back that argument up? >> sure, we saw the educational divide certainly, that trumps challengers, nikki haley did better with people with a college degree or more, trump done really -- does better generally with a high school degree or less. you have a billionaire who has become the tribune of the white working class america. i would agree with the comments about desantis. he survived for at least a little bit. i wouldn't be as blish on haley. the difficulty for somebody like haley is she is trying to run as conservative, but she is running as a traditional republican and
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a party that is not the traditional republican party anymore. it is a trumpified political party that owes more to pat buchanan and george wallace than it does to ronald reagan. >> she said a very recently that new hampshire corrects iowa's result. she has a small window of opportunity to prove that in the next few days. it is a very independent electorate in new hampshire. they like to take their time, they come out late and steady candidates closely. yes, they do and they differ demographically in significant ways from iowa lukens -- republicans. they are less evangelical and there are more independents. the difficulty is even if she does well in new hampshire, where did she go from there? in many ways, iowa showed that the republican party is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the trump organization.
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she is not going to have to just come close, but she's got to actually beat in. somebody has to beat him somewhere to try to pinched that aura of inevitability. >> no one campaign more than him across iowa, i think he did 308 campaign events, never got above 8% of the vote. compare that to donald trump's 22 campaign events in the ste. since withdrawing, he has given his endorsement to donald trump and the america first agenda. does that benefit donald trump going into new hampshire? >> no. pre-vic ramaswamy was never a serious candidate. he trafficked in conspiracy theories, he kissed up to putin, he tried to kiss up to trump. then donald trump blasted him in the run-up to iowa and he had to out of the race with his tail between his legs.
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the people who were attracted to him were the same people who would be attracted to donald trump, so that small amount of people were going to vote for donald trump anyway. he did not have any longevity in this campaign and to quote chris christie, he was the biggest blowhard in america, and i'm relieved we no longer have to listen to him on the campaign trail. >> i hope we can do this some more as the race takes shape. we will be focusing on hampshire next week. the other side of the break, we will talk about another damaging night for the conservatives, two deputy chairmen resigning over the rwanda plan. where does t narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narror: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors.
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