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♪ >> the families of israeli hostages accuse their prime minister of not doing enough to get their loved ones back. we will spk to one of the families on the program tonight. also, a new era for india says prime minister narendra modi is a new hindu temple rises where one stood a 16th-century mosque. and we will also call in on the weather center. a storm causing widespread travel problems across europe today. another storm right behind it. ♪ good evening.
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there is a split within the israeli war cabine there are those like the prime minister who think only military pressure will and hamas and bring home the 130 hostages there holding. but there are others including senior military figures who say it is impossible to return them alive without an agreement. in the middle of that are the families. today, those tensions spilled into the open as families of the missing storm day finance meeting. -- stormed a finance meeting in the knesset. shame on you, they shouted at ministers. we won't let you breathe until our children are brought home. the protests reflect growing dissent and the motivations of a deeply unpopular prime minister opposed to talks and any talk of a two state solution. on the ground, there is no sign of a new phase in the conflict.
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palestinians in southern gaza say the israeli bombardment has intensified again with over 25,000 now dead according to the gaza health ministry. 190 have been killed in the past 24 hours. the hamas run alth ministry estimates that there are 25,000 who have died, but what about the living? how are they coping and surviving? some have been sending us videos and voice messages. tonight, we hear from a father of five in the north of gaza. >>'s wife and five children and he have moved three times since october, trying to find somewhere safe. >> [speaking foreign language] >> he is not a doctor, but he used to sell medical supplies.
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as gazan hospitals shut down, he turns his home into a makeshift clinic to treat the wounded. his work affects his children. >> [speaking foreign language] >> an airstrike hits the next street. >> [speaking foreign language] >> with airstrike so close, he decides that it is time to leave. >> [speaking foreign language]
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>> families now all live together in blown outbuildings. >> [speaking foreign language] >> well, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said saturday he will not compromise on full israeli control over gaza and that this is contrary to a palestinian state, rejecting joe biden's suggestion that creating solutions could bridge wide gaps between the leaders' views on palestinian
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statehood. a short time ago, the national security spokesman john kirby said it remains the best option. >> it is the president's view that a two state solution is the best path forward for people of gaza, for the palestinian people and the israeli people. he is under no illusis about how difficult it will be to get there with the conflict going on in gaza. we will keep the discussions going with our israeli counterparts and with our counterparts in the region in the hopes that more progress can be made. if this was easy, we would have a two state solution for years now. it is not easy, it is really hard and it hires a compromise, it will require negotiation and sacrifices on both sides. the president understands that. >> let's go to washington, d.c. to speak to a senior foreign affairs correspondent at politico who has written about the relationship between the
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israeli government and the white house. thank you for coming on. where do you view that relationship? do you think that things are deteriorating? is the white house impatient with benjamin netanyahu? >> i think that the u.s. is trying very hard to stay patient , but they are in a rut with netanyahu. it feels like the definition of insanity, keep doing it over and over, keep bringing up the same ideas, send tony blinken back over and over again, but they haven't gotten very far with him. i know they are frustrated, but they don't feel like they have a lot of alternatives. he is the manager arjun israel in a sense, given his many political issues and all of the various interests he is trying to please. he is the prime minister, so they have no choice but to keep trying to talk to him and go along with what they are suggesting. >> they are clearly pressing ahead with a perspective peace
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plan. they sent to the middle east coordinator to the region today. he is in cairo. axios is reporting in the last few minutes that israel is proposing a two month pause in the fighting in gaza for the release of all hostages. where do you see the difficulties in these discussions at the moment? >> look, i think the question is do you go along with the demands of ham or not? some of the proposed plans that have been reported are the basically hamas said we will give you these hostages if you basically pull out and leave us in charge. for netanyahu and the others, that is really not acceptable because pretty much everyone across the israeli political spectrum believes that hamas has to be completely defeated, even if there are some now who are saying maybe that is not a realistic goal. it comes down to the question of how much do you prioritize the hostages versus how much do you
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prioritize destroying hamas? hamas understands that this is an important issue for israel, so it is a challenge and it is one that i'm not sure they have figured out. if they go with this two-month idea and say we will do a pause in fighting, you give us the hostages back, hamas will demand prisoner releases at least. that might get a bit further than some of the other proposals have, but then the question becomes how much can hamas regroup? how much can they rebuild during these two months? i'm not entirely certain that everybody, certainly not one of the far right in israel, would be willing to go along even with that. >> reading a bit more from axios, israel has given a proposal that includes up to two months of a pause as part of a multiphase deal that would include the release of all remaining hostages presumably in stages. that has been confirmed by two israeli officials. we have been watching these
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pictures in the knesset today of desperately frustrated families, anxious, worried, angry families who want to netanyahu to do more. i wonder is these pictures are playing around the world whether that raises the pressure on the war cabinet to move more quickly? >> absolutely. there is really nothing, there is no way to really imagine what these families are going through. each hostage case is unique in its own way. there is just no words to explain these emotions. these families are trying to get across what they are feeling. they are thinking about political issues and military issues and these trade-offs are very challenging for everyone. if you have enough people together making the case, that
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is definitely going to move the needle to some extent. i'm not sure it is going to move it to the extent that israel would say, we will do that and we will take one of the proposals of we will go out and leave hamas. that is a different calculation. there are a lot of agreements among israeli society that you cannot tolerate a gaza strip that is right there and has this group in charge. it is too much of a threat and that they will carry out what they did on october 7 once again so they have to be eliminated. >> i imagine that is the case. thank you very much for that. let me redo some of this detail which is really interesting. so, two israeli officials say the israeli war cabinet approved 10 dayago the parameters of this new proposal, which are different they say then aspects of deals that were rejected by hamas recent weeks. they are awaiting a response
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from hamas, but they stress they are cautiously optimistic about the ability of making this work in the coming days. what we hear is that the deal would include the release of all remaining hostages through stages. those who are alive and also the return of debt hostages but in several phases. the first phase would see the release of women and men over thage of 60. then of course those hostages who are in critical medical condition, of which there are a number. the next phases would include the release of female soldiers, men under the age of 60, who are not soldiers. israeli male soldiers, and then the bodies of the hostages that are left. a number of phases. you will remember back in november, there were a number of stages, 10 coming in every day, and it did work for at least two weeks. let's get a view on this from a man whose father was taken
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hostage and whose half-brother daniel was murdered. he is in tel aviv waiting for us this evening. thank you for being with us. can i get your response first of all to what you have just heard, that perhaps there is a deal on the table that would lead to a two month pause in return for presumably your father who would be in the first stages of the release? >> hopefully. it is news to me, although i have heard of a few offers of deals today. i have heard at the last few weeks also. all of this ongoing, all of this feet dragging, it is horrible for us. just every single day is another day that my father and his friends are nearing their end. we feel like we don't have this time to check exactly what the negotiation will be and all the
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terms and all the details. it is too much for us. we need to be executed today. >> i can imagine. i'm sure everyone has sympathy without who is watching you -- watching. tell me about your father and the condition you think he will be in and have you had any news at all from israeli of shoals as to where he is in cap and in what condition? >> the last we heard was the video, three men sitting and talking, the one in the middle doing the talking is my father. that was more than a month ago and they looked pretty bad. more than a month has passed. we know that they have been moved around since we have seen the pictures of the tunnels they were being held in. also, this situation of moving them around under bombing and in very severe conditions, i can only imagine and the situation
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is very bad now. not only physically, but in terms of morale. i'm very afraid of their situation right now. >> can i ask you how you feel about 120 in today at the knesset? do you support the families that are taking a directly to the ministers? >> absolutely. it should have happened on december 1. when we heard that israel stop the hostages released situation that had been going on for seven days. when they refused the offer that hamas gave them to bring out seven women and three old men and they said they would not play along with what hamas is doing. i'm afraid my father might have been released already then. ever since that moment, i thought that our only target
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should be the israeli government and the prime minister of course. he is actively making a difficult and not helping and not making it easy for the negotiation. he is doing things that can only interfere with it. the addressing directly the prime minister is the right thing, i think, that we should do. of course, it should be angry and it should be shouting and not pleading for help because i think the way we see it, they own us a lot, they owe us the lives of our loved ones. > just a bit more detail that has come in in the last few minutes. israeli officials said they made clear that israel will not agree to end the war and release all 6000alestinian prisoners from the israeli prisons.
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do you believe, as some do, that the prime minister is prolonging this war to prevent conflict within his coalition? he says that is that her nonsense. what do you think? >> i think one of his ministers, one of the extreme right wing ministers he has in his government, they verily -- very clearly said today, and the war and we will end the government. he was very clear about it, so i think that is the biggest fear of netanyahu. after that being said, imagine a person not resigning or not leaving his chair in order to save 136 lives. only this situation is crazy when you have the choice between staying in power or saving 136
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israeli lives that have been abducted out of their beds on a saturday morning on your shift. that for me clearly declares that he is not with us anymore. >> we are thinking of you and your family, thank you very much for coming in the program this evening. it is greatly appreciated. >> thank you very much. >> just one other line on that breaking news about this deal being moderated wch the israelis have put forward to hamas. israeli officials say that the israel defense forces would be moved out of the main population centers in the enclave, allowing a gradual return of palestinian civilians to gaza city in the northern gaza strip as the deal unfolds. but if they're not prepared to end the war, the security of those palestinians who go home was very much open to question. we will seehat response we get from hamas.
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our international correspondent will be with us this evening. we will get her thoughts on that. around the world and across the u.k., this is bbc news. let's take a quick look at some of the u.k. stories. the government has said it would not support royal mail scrapping deliveries on saturdays. this cou be one option put forward by the regulator in a review of future services. royal mile said it was not sustainable when only 7 billion are delivered. the nhs has launched a new campaign to encourage more people to get their children vaccinated against measles. cases are on the rise in new figures show more than 3 million children under the age of 16 have not received their jabs. areas with low uptake are being targeted first. u.k. households are on track for cheaper energy bills in april according to a new report by a leading forecaster.
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they say the and bill is expected to fall by around 16% for 300 pounds. energy prices have been a central factor in the u.k.'s high inflation rate. you are live with bbc news. in just the last half-hour, the house of lords delays ratifying the new rwanda treaty until kigali has made several changes to its asylum procedures. they voted in favor of a motion to call another government not to officially validate the treaty until the protections that provides have been fully implemented. let's go to westminster to speak to our colleague who was there. as i understand it, this is the treaty on which the bill is based. so what does that suggest about the attitude of the lord toward
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the bill? >> i think that is right. this is the treaty the government signed with rwanda to put in place or add legal weight to a number of measures that aim to address the concerns from the supreme court. they said the government's plan to send some asylum-seekers to rwanda was unlawful because they did not think rwanda was a safe country. the government signed this treaty to put in place a number of measures to try to address those concerns. what the house of lords have done is to vote to say the government should delay ratifying or officially confirming this treaty until the measures are in place. they say the government should delay ratifying that treaty until all the measures have been put in place. it is important to understand that the motion is advisory area it is not binding on the government. the government can ignore what the government has said.
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it does give an indication at the level of opposition that rishi sunak is likely to face in the house of lords when the bill begins to be debated next week. >> thank you very much for that. in just a few hours, polls will open in new hampshire for the republican primary in what is now a head-to-head after ron desantis pulled out sunday night. the governor of florida endorsed donald trump as he departed. the surprise video announcement leaves nikki haley as mr. trump's only rival. stephanie murphy and rodney davis, thank you both for being with us this evening. nikki haley wanted this one-on-one race, she has put all her chips on new hampshire. what if she loses? >> you know, it really is do or die at this point for anyone who wants an option other than trump in the republican party. you have to be real careful with the pulling in new hampshire because turnout can be a tricky thing especially this year. it is really important for her
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to keep campaigning all the way to the end if she wants to really make a strong turnout in new hampshire. >> the line these past few days is that she is the last best hope of preventing the rematch that 70% of americans don't want , but it has not been really a clarion call for mobilization. do you think her campaign has been too nuanced >> i wouldn't call it nuanced. she is just fighting the trump phenomenon and having governor desantis pull out of the race before new hampshire casts any votes tomorrow does not help her. because every pull through this entire campaign has shown that a ron desantis voter, their second choice is donald trump. this couldn't happen at a worse time for her. what she really needs if she is going to be that person to stop donald trump's march to the nomination tomorrow night, she's got to have a john mccain-like
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2000 independent search of people coming to vote who don't identi as republicans but new hampshire election law allows them to vote in the republican primary. >> in terms of ron desantis, he was trying to run to the right of donald trump and that is very difficult when you look at what a hold donald trump has on noncollege goers, on rural areas of the state. was it always going to be difficult for ron desantis or did he just run a bad campaign? >> i think that there are a lot of outtakes right now about his campaign. certainly, there were mistakes his campaign made. he tried to run a national race with a lot of florida political types and they hadn't had that experience of running a national race. more than that, i think it is really hard to separate trump's face from trump. that has been something that all of the candidates have struggled with, which is to attack trump
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without alienating his base. i think dems have a huge role in having created that sense of tightness, the stickiness of trump's base. trump supporters feel as if it is a personal issue, their support for donald trump. >> he is almost running as an incumbent. we are just going to say narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial services firm, raymond james. man: bdo. accountants and advisors. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. and by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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