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issued a trio of major decisions today. amna: the justices upheld a law making it a crime for on housed people to camp in public areas and narrow the scope of the law being prosecuted -- being used prosecute the january 6 rioters and weakened regulatory power. let's start with joseph fischer, charged with seven counts after storming the capital on january 6. what aspects did the justices consider? >> because of the way the law is written, his argument was it had to involve an actual document. the justices agreed that it didn't cover storming the capital. chief justice john roberts said that the way the justice

department is using the law criminalizes a broad swath of prosaic conduct exposing activists and lobbyists to decades in prison. it was a 6-3 decision but not ideological. ketanji brown jackson was in the majority and amy coney barrett wrote the dissent. she said the majority did textual backflips to reach their decision. amna: there are 1300 other january 6 defendants. >> the effect appears to be quite limited. >> only 300 46 of the more than 1400 defendants charged for the attack on the u.s. capitol were even charged with that offense. of those the vast majority are charged with another felony. whether they went to trial or pleaded guilty, they could be resentenced to a similar term of incarceration based on that

other fennel -- felony. there are very few people who were not convicted, were found guilty of another felony or it was only a misdemeanor and they might get a resentencing. geoff: it is also one of the charges against donald trump. there suggesting that might not have to be dropped because that case does involve documents. amna: the conservative majority upheld an ordinance in a small oregon city that criminalizes behaviors associated with homelessness like sleeping in public parks. what were the key factors? >> the challenger said these laws were punishing people for being homeless. and you can't punish someone for their status. the six conservative justices said that's exactly what these laws do, they punish conduct and

not status. the liberal justices disagreed strongly. listen to sonia sotomayor's dissent. she said, sleeping is a biological necessity, not a crime. for some people sleeping outside is their only option. for people with no access to shelter, that punishes them for being homeless. that is unconscionable and unconstitutional. amna: what kind of reaction has that decision been getting? >> a lot of the leaders who have been struggling with this rather welcomed it. here's and davison. >> this will help with safety. we had a nexus with gun violence encampments. now local decision-makers who understand the unique circumstances in their community are able to make responses to

their needs are and start of a town that's a 1000 miles away. geoff: housing advocates say this is just going to make things worse. shaun donovan runs a nonprofit trying to expand housing. >> criminalizing homelessness doesn't work. it makes it worse. it's a game of cruel workable. if people don't have a place to sleep, just moving them or putting them in jail, those encampments are going to turn up somewhere else. even worse, by arresting people and finding them, you make it harder for them to find jobs and housing, the things that and homelessness. amna: in another decision, the conservative majority overturned a decades old precedent that limits government agencies authority to write rules.

it's kind of dry stuff but help us understand why this has been on conservative wish lists for some time. >> is called the chevron deference. it's as if the law is ambiguous, the courts have to defer to the agency's interpretation of the law. conservatives have hated this. they call it the government always wins doctrine. today john roberts struck it down. he said the law requires judges to independently evaluate agency actions and that judges should not defer to the agencies simply because the law is ambiguous. this is a big deal. this is the most widely cited precedent in jurisprudence. the underpinning of about 17,000

federal regulation dealing with the environment, drugs, food safety, everything. amna: john yang, thank you. meanwhile the supreme court has swept aside long-standing legal precedent in its ruling today overturning the chevron doctrine. majorly curtailing the power of federal agencies to interpret the laws they regulate. the decision is expected to have far-reaching implications on everything from the environment to health care. geoff: we are joined by andrew morgan who spent three decades as an attorney for the department of justice environment and natural resources division. thanks for being with us. this chevron case has a huge impact. it is basically shorthand for a long standing tradition that says if there is an ambiguous statute, the courts defer to the

agencies because the thinking has always been that the agencies have the expertise. today the supreme court said that's no longer the case. how big a deal is this? >> in the short term, it's a very big deal. i think we are going to see an enormous number challenges to government regulations in the environmental area, food safety, health care. there will be many challenges and the lower courts and the justice department that defends those regulations are going to be very busy in the near term. geoff: do we know how or if this ruling today will affect cases already settled under the chevron precedent? >> excellent question. the chief justice in the majority opinion says those decisions should not be up for review merely because they

dependent -- depended on the chevron doctrine. justice kagan and her dissent says that's a very cold comfort and i tend to agree. it's a very complicated question. it is sometimes hard to parse out exactly why courts upheld regulations. i feel like there will be many folks ready to test the limits and reopen past regulatory judgments and regimes. >> this could affect everything from clean water, health care, gun regulation. give us a sense of the real world impact. >> in the short term it's going to create an enormous amount of instability. we don't know how it's going to be in terms of precedents in the

clean-air realm, clean water. a whole slew of environmental and health regulations. i hope it is the agencies know how to promulgate these regulations in the absence of chevron deference. i tend to agree with justice kagan that the chevron dock during an chevron deference promoted stability in the law and there will be a lot of gamesmanship in terms of seeking out favorable courts to upend the favorable outstanding regimes. geoff: conservatives over time came to lose it because it was mostly democratic administrations using this doctrine to justify broad regulations. a number of business leaders have said it's not a good thing for economic development to have

regulations that shift as a result of who controls the federal government. what do you say to that? >> i think the business community is split on this issue. i don't think business interests are monolithic on this and we have seen this reflected in disputes where some of the car companies are anxious to support epa and others are skeptical. if this decision allows challenges to prior regimes, we will have a hard time knowing what the law is and for some folks that may create opportunities but for others trying to plan for the future and figure out how their manufacturing processes can meet environmental laws, it's going to be unsettling. i think as the justice

department suggested in its briefing, this has the potential to be in the short-term very destabilizing for a whole range of stakeholders. not just people concerned about health and the environment but also folks in business. i think there is a real need for this kind of deference. justice kagan points to some examples. there are so many things judges just don't have the capacity to understand about amino acids or endangered species committee manufacturing processes where it makes good sense to defer to the expertise that resides in the agencies. geoff: the court reversing a 40 year precedent, what does this say about adherence to stare decisis? >> we have entered into a whole new era with the roberts court.

less respect for stare decisis and more of an appetite for risk in terms of unsettling established law and seeing what happens next. to me that is contrary to traditional rule of law values. geoff: thank you for sharing your insights. >> i'm stephanie sy. here are the latest headlines. iowa supreme court is letting the law go into effect that bands most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. the decision removes the lower courts temporary block of the measure.

there are exceptions for rape and incest or if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother. 14 states now have near total abortion bands and three others ban abortions after six weeks. former police chief for schools in uvalde texas failed to identify the attack at robb elementary school as an indictment unsealed today. pete arredondo was arrested and released last night. he faces 10 felony counts of abandoning or endangering a child. security footage shows officers retreating as gunfire can be heard down the hall. 19 students and two teachers were killed. the indictment said he slowed down the response when he directed law enforcement officers to evacuate the wing before confronting the shooter. voters in iran cast their ballots for new president. the elections were called to replace the late president who died in a helicopter crash last

month. voters are choosing from a tightly controlled group of four candidates loyal to iran's supreme leader. but voters are still making their voices heard. >> unfortunately some people think the president has already been selected but we must vote. if i don't vote someone else would vote and the candidate who is not the best may be elected. >> and one province the election was marked by violence. unidentified gunmen killed two security officers. the pentagon announced today that the temporary peer it builds off gaza -- it started operating in make to increase a deliveries. it was damaged and taken down for repairs.

humanitarian groups have suspended distribution citing security concerns. that has left supplies piling up in a distribution point on the beach. pentagon officials said resuming operations could depend on freeing up the backlog. >> if there's not room on the marshaling yard, it doesn't make sense to put our men and women at their when there's nothing to move. we do need to see the marshaling room open up so we can get more aid. >> the idf released video of tanks pushing for their into northern gaza. teliana -- palestinian officials say tank shall in killed people there today. in bolivia the geral who led a failed coup attempt was ordered to prison. he was charged with terrorism and participation in an armed uprising against the state.

he served as commander general of the armed forces since 2022 and was handpicked by the president. tonight the president said he wanted to take over the government. the biden administration will expand temporary protected status to more than 300,000 haitians already living in the u.s. the program gives work permits and protection from deportation to those fleeing conflict or disasters. the national transportation safety board and faa are investigating a southwest airlines flight the departed from a temporarily closed runway in maine. this follows several incidents also under investigation and putting the flight of a boeing 737 max plane that experienced a so-called natural earlier this month -- dutch roll earlier this month.

-- trip to the international space station will stay up a couple weeks longer. engineers will investigate the thruster issues. veteran astronauts celebrate a successful docking with the iss on june 6. still to come, democratic governor tim walz of minnesota reacts to the debate performance and fallout within the party. and we fact-check some of biden and trump's claims from the presidential debate. >> this is the pbs news hour from weta studios in washington and and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. amna: over a 90 minute presidential debate last night,

there were personal attacks and an argument about golf. trump repeatedly made false claims and biden repeatedly failed to dispel concerns about his age. it has sparked some discussion about whether biden should be the party's nominee. >> the fallout from a debate full of fumbles and falsehoods. both candidates holding rallies in key swing states to dominate the postdebate airwaves. donald trump claimed a victory in virginia. >> the question everybody should be asking themselves is whether america can survive four more years of crooked joe biden in the white house. >> though. praised by republicans for

debate performance, he repeated lie after lie including this one on abortion. >> he's willing to rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby. nobody wants that to happen. >> you are lying. that is simply not true. roe v. wade does not provide for that. >> a rally for biden today in north carolina. >> i don't speak as smoothly as i used to. i don't debate as well as i used to. but i know what i do know. i know how to tell the truth. i know how to get things done. i know like millions of americans now, when you get knocked down, you get back up. >> his debate performance left many in a panic.

>> making sure we are able to make every single solitary person eligible for what i've been able to do with dealing with everything we have to do with -- look -- if we finally beat medicare -- >> stumbles that happens so frequently that republicans pounds. some in congress introduced a resolution that would force consideration of the 25th amendment to remove biden from office. >> this is an alarming situation. i think this is a very dangerous situation. >> biden's sharpest attacks came when he took aim at one of trump's biggest vulnerabilities with voters, and his criminal cases. >> the fact of the matter is what he's telling you is simply not true.

>> and called out trump's refusal to accept the results of the election. >> will you accept the results of the election regardless of who wins. >> if it's a fair and legal and good election, absolutely. the fraud and everything else was ridiculous. >> i doubt you will accept it because you are such a whiner. >> democrats were divided on biden's debate night. kamala harris hitting the airwaves to defend the president. >> there was a slow start strong finish. >> josh shapiro with more candor. >> joe biden had a bad debate night and he's got a burden on him to show people that he is still able to move forward in

these debates and make prosecuting the case against donald trump. >> some opinion pages today including the new york times urging biden to bow out. biden allies quickly called those discussions unhelpful. >> you don't turn your back because of one performance. what kind of party does that? >> president biden's campaign said the president is committed to debating mr. trump in september. geoff: what are they saying today? >> it's not good for democrats right now. lawmakers, party operatives as well as democratic party leaders that i spoke to and you spoke to told us panic is an understatement. they said things like the guy we are nominating is just not capable of getting elected any longer. some also said it's going to require a ton of work to come back from this.

barack obama posted, bad debate night's happen but the election is still a choice between someone that has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself. to put this panic in context, i have never heard this level of panic before from democrats across the board on and off the hill about whether or not they think president biden can win in november but no one is saying this on the record. no one is saying they conceivably think they can replace joe biden on the ticket and other major party leaders like hakeem jeffries and jim clyburn are sticking by president biden. geoff: how are biden campaign officials addressing all this? >> they are saying we understand it was not a good night for the president but it was one night and and he asks of him to step aside are ridiculous.

they said he absolutely will not be stepping aside from this race. i also spoke to one of biden's pollsters who said in their monitoring of voters, they saw no real movement based on the debate, that voters were in their partisan corners and that amongst undecideds, some undecided voters in focus groups did not respond well to donald trump's personal impacts and when he was talking about january 6 and that also it was effective from president biden when he was attacking donald trump specifically on the criminal cases he is facing. the campaign also pointed to their fundraising yesterday. they raised $14 million from small dollar donors on debate day and they said their best hour of fundraising ever since biden launched his campaign was in the hour right after the debate. geoff: really. his replacing biden on the

ticket even a viable option? he would have to release his delegates. >> it's possible but highly unlikely. if democrats pursue this, it's a difficult process that hasn't been used in decades. the clearest path is if president biden declines in nomination. more than half of pledged delegates would have to reject biden during the roll call. a number of democrats that i spoke to said they don't think the party is at the point right now. geoff: how much impact might one debate have on the race? >> the reaction from democrats is notable. one concern democrats have looking forward is down valid. is this debate performance going to impact democrats down ballot. so far they have been pulling

ahead of president biden fronting effectively on his record during his first term but will this hurt them as they continue running the races in difficult battleground states. president biden really sought to refocus the race on the stakes. he called donald trump a genuine threat to democracy. he pointed out that he lied over and over during the debate and he said that what's at stake during the election cycle is freedom and democracy and that's what we are going to see the campaign focus on in the weeks ahead which is the extremism argument that is very effective with their base and undecided voters. amna: for more on president biden's debate performance we are joined by tim walz.

welcome back to the newshour. >> thanks for having me. amna: former senator claire mccaskill who has long been a strong surrogate for president biden as have you said after the debate that the president had one thing to accomplish which was to go out and prove to people that he is up to the job at his age and in her words he failed at that last night. do you agree with that assessment? >> i do agree he had a poor night. the totality of the president's work especially at the crisis time coming out of covid, we are at the tip of that sphere and we see it. i don't think you judge the body of a person's work on one night. i have confidence in the president because he has delivered and to be very candid, the thing i was disappointed

last night and quite concerned because of what donald trump said. he was very articulate in his belief that he should deny women report of the rides, he was very articulate that he did nothing wrong with january 6. that worries me because of trump presidency is something almost unfathomable and when we saw poor performance out of the president, that makes it more of a reality. i certainly won't defend the performance on this, but i will defend the record. amna: in terms of what's at stake, biden's record is one thing. but when voters are looking at the next four years ahead and some 44% of democrats have already said they believe he's too old, doesn't that performance matter in proving to the job for the next four years? >> this puts more pressure on the president. he's down in north carolina

today. one of the things i'm hearing from folks is why wasn't that guy there last night? that's kind of the way things go. you have the ups and downs. he's an honest man and he works hard for folks and he has a team around him that's able to deliver. we are in the middle of massive flooding in minnesota. he took time wednesday. he was calling out here to see how the flood recovery was going. it's a valid point. this was not a great performance. he's putting out policies that are going to make life better for people. more than that is just blatantly cruel in his policies. we see a supreme court decision in iowa today restricting reproductive rights.

donald trump wants to expand that even more so. it's a concern but i am still confident in the president and his ability and those in his administration to move us in a positive direction. this is a binary choice. i'm not interested in that and joe can get us there. amna: a key part of the biden campaign is to draw that contrast. former president trump was coal more than usual, confident, he did deliver a steady stream of lies that went largely unchecked. do you think the contrast was clear? >> i hope so. it was terrifying to me. he was articulate and loud and forceful in his declarations that he's is going to destroy

women's reproductive rights. he is clear that he sees nothing wrong that he -- with the attempt he made on our democracy. he was articulate last night. in a terrifying message that he's going to put in. i think what most americans -- you never hear donald trump talk about them. when we decide in this binary choice you have a decent man and joe biden who at times isn't able to articulate as clearly as he might want to but has delivered time and time again, we are seeing the golden age of infrastructure. a resurgence of chip manufacturing. clean energy jobs. i know americans are smart enough to know inflation is a tough one. they understand this is a global issue that joe biden has

navigated better than any other world leader. donald trump more than happy to side with vladimir putin, those are going to be decisions they think about more than just one night in june in a bed debate performance. amna: last nights debate has also sparked discussion on whether joe biden should be the nominee going forward. there has been pulling showing their other democrats who would perform basically the same against trump in hypothetical mass ships -- match ups. do you believe there are other democrats who could defeat donald trump? >> i think there's a lot of folks who could just like joe biden has defeated him. he is the guy who actually didn't and he will do it again. our bench is deep. we don't all wear red hats and chant in unison. we have a lot of diverse ideas.

i'm biased towards the governor. we have leaders across the spectrum. inside the president's administration's fabulous folks. there's a lot of folks supporting him and we are out here making the case that we need this policy to make sure interstates we can deliver. i think one of them will be president in 28 after we get the president over the finish line. amna: do you believe president biden should debate again in september and will he? >> i don't know. i told my team i didn't want him to debate. it's really something -- i do 20 four years, they do zero and somehow they are the ones that are the heroes. i don't think they are real life. i think they are performative.

it's the governing, the record and delivery of things that make a difference. in this day and age you can convey your message in a lot of different ways. the debates i'm not sure are that conducive to good governance. amna: democratic governor from minnesota tim walz, to speak with you. geoff: last nights debate may be the first time that millions of americans have paid attention to the presidential campaign this year and they heard a lot of claims that have been familiar refrains on the campaign trail. not all of them true. we turned to samantha of political fact. let's take some of these debate topics one by one starting with the economy and inflation. donald trump said president biden caused inflation and that the cost of food doubled,

tripled and quadrupled. president biden says trump's proposed 10% tariffs would cause the average american 20 $500 a year. >> trump's claim that biden inherited inflation is mostly false. as pandemic conditions improved, the economy accelerated. inflation peaked in his presidency. he didn't single-handedly cause it. on trump's claim that food cost has doubled, tripled and quadrupled, we found that to be false. the 21% increase is nowhere near what trump claimed. that would have to be 300%. biden's claim about trump's tariffs costing amerins 25 hundred dollars is mostly true. economists expect the trump's proposed tariff on foreign products will force consumers to

pay more. geoff: donald trump said president biden has allowed in 18 million people and they are coming from prisons, jails and men still -- mental institutions. biden says there are 40% fewer people coming off the border illegally. what do we know about the situation on the southern border? >> trump's claim about prisons and mental institutions we found to be our worst rating, pants on fire. the data reflects the people the government knows about but it isn't exhaustive. immigration experts said despite these limitations, there is no evidence to support his statement. immigration officials have encountered immigrants around 9.7 million times while

accounting for got a ways but encounters do not equal admissions. they represent events and not people so one person trying to cross the border twice counts as two encounters. biden was more accurate on immigration. his 40% claim is mostly true. encounters dropped after biden announced his policy. geoff: on abortion, trump claimed that democrats will take the life of a child in the eighth month, ninth month and even after. willfully terminating the life of a newborn is illegal in every state. >> we did find this to be false. most democrats support abortion under roe v. wade standards. many democrats have also said they support abortion's past

this point if the treating physician deems it necessary. it's less than 1% of abortions that occur after 21 weeks in these cases typically involve life-threatening emergencies affecting the pregnant woman. geoff: the cnn moderators did not provide real-time fact checking. the network said they did not view that as their role. they said it was up to the candidates to challenge one another. that was an approach both campaigns agreed to. what is the consequence when a torrent of lies and mistruths delivered with verve and vigor go unchallenged? >> i think the consequences are quite high. this was on the biggest political stage thus far in this presidency and of course i would say fact checking is important. understand the moderators wanted to make sure the candidates out

there say in. as journalists it is also their job to hold powerful people accountable and check them during a high-stakes presidential election. i don't think they could have fact checked every claim, but they could have done their due diligence to correct flagrantly false claims made on incredibly open important topics. the american people deserve to know when a presidential candidate is spreading falsehoods. geoff: that is samantha of political fact. you can find more debate fact-checks on our website. amna: for more, we turn to the analysis of david brooks and boston globe columnist kimberly atkins store. jonathan capehart is away.

he saw the reporting about some of the panic among democrats right now. is that panic warranted? >> yes. i think so. i looked at the 20 20 presidential debates with biden and he looks like of different person. this was not like obama's defeat with mitt romney. this is about fundamental ability. to win an election, you have to have a strategy and biden has gone through several what i thought were plausible strategies. use fiscal stimulus to turbocharge the election, get the working-class voters to your side. didn't work. creative positive economies so everything is prospering. the state of the union address didn't really work so let's move up the debate and prove he is

vibrant and young enough to beat this guy and that's the third failed strategy. i don't know if it's time for him to step down. but we need a different strategy. amna: he has a new line says i don't debate like i used to, but i know how to tell the truth. >> i think it is too soon to know whether tom's the concerns. there were moments that were difficult to watch but it was still one day. he was not the same person later on that date in atlanta or in north carolina. he also has an entire term of presidency to run on. he missed a lot of key points. i think it was a terrible

performance by any measure. i expected him to make a clear lay up on issues like abortions when donald trump was standing there lying about it and he couldn't even manage that. i think democrats are very good at trading. i think it would be good to look to see how it's landed and if it has moved voters at all before making big sweeping calls which would be to change course on the last lap of the race. amna: mr. trump repeated a number of lies on things like immigration and abortion in january 6, all issues that resonate with voters and went largely unchecked in the debate. if you were watching is a cautious republican or a curious independent, how do you feel today? >> lies don't change votes. with changes votes is not facts,

its beliefs. you can get your facts wrong and as long as people believe the story, they will believe in you. it just turns out to be a political reality. if you tell the narrative they believe in, they will ignore the facts you tell and trump's narrative has a lot of residents in this country. the first is inflation is really hurting us, the second is the system is broken and we need some guy who's going to bulldoze the thing down. it's a simple story but it has a lot of residence -- residents with voters right now. and joe biden unfortunately because of the career he's had, it's been one of the great careers in american politics. but he's an insider. it's tough to be an insider right now. amna: he has had this record to run on. but there is the forward-looking voter right now. thinking about the next four years.

for folks discontented with the candidates, what do you think they took away from watching that exchange? >> i think lies matter more especially given what he is lying about. we have seen the former president lie about or not even agree to accept the results of the election and lie about fraud was committed in the last one. we know that americans care about democracy saw january 6 and know that isn't true. we know they care about access to abortion and we saw donald trump say everything's fine. there are people being airlifted out of states where abortion is banned. maternity mortality is going through the roof. it is a health-care crisis. we also know that despite those lies in the throat donald trump poses, even if he got up there and drooled in front of the

american people, the republican party would not be calling on him to step down. he is the threat that is presented and democrats need to make that case and stop worrying about joe biden for one minute and focus on the real job which is defeating donald trump. amna: did he make that clear? >> joe biden did not make that contrast. i wanted him to speak clearly about abortion and democracy. i really wish that was the first debate question asked of donald trump instead of the last one a lot of people may have tuned out because it was so difficult to ask. but just one day is not an entire campaign season and there's plenty of time for him and his surrogates to make that distinction. >> we came in here on the economist and nate silver says

donald trump has a two thirds chance of winning. for me the questions biden was trailing on before the debate were who is a better manager. trump was ahead by double digits. who do you trust in a crisis? donald trump was ahead by double digits. those are bad numbers for any incumbent. obviously abortion is a great issue for democrats. a lot of what biden has done to the economy has been great for workers. but competence, economy and who do you trust in a crisis is a real problem for joe biden and it wasn't just one day. amna: you think there should be another debate in september? >> why not? i don't think debates matter as much as we say they do. >> i don't think they matter except for a candidate who doesn't look like he's up for the job. amna: if there was a big week

for the supreme court. they overturned this decades-old president, the chevron decision which basically weakens federal regulators. what does it say about this court? >> i will let you do the legal stuff. the way i look at it is congress passes a law. they are vague. congress loves to punt power to anybody else. who should be in charge of interpreting the laws? traditionally it was the agencies. and the court seems to be grabbing some of that power and saying it should be the courts more than the agencies. i have problems with the agencies because they get kind of partisan. there is nothing in the white house which regulates the regulators. -- a thing in the congress that regulates the regulators.

judges are not experts on some greenhouse gas. i kind of like it when the agencies do it as long as there is strong oversight. >> i think it's a bigger power grab by the courts than even that. this is a groundbreaking change and precedent here. we are giving courts and judges all up and down the federal judiciary a tremendous amount of power. remember the mifepristone case? that began with one judge who was picked purposely to try to toss out fda approval of the judge. that is not what judges do. the supreme court today just because they wanted to overturned precedent which is also important. we need to trust in our precedents and be able to rely on them and less and less the supreme court is allowing people to do it. this was a big case.

amna: there is the case involving former president trump's claim of immunity for trying to overturn his 2020 election laws. how are you looking at that? >> i am expecting this court to find some level of immunity for president. not absolute immunity like donald trump asking for. i expect there will be a lot of strong dissents that the justices might still be working on in the case will be remanded down. i think it makes it all but impossible to do trial happens before the election. >> they were trying to parse a distinction between the president's official and private duties and what would deserve immunity. i just find it ironic because donald trump tried to make the whole office part of his private fiefdom.

i don't see how he can claim immunity when he treated the whole office as his private playground. amna: other big cases as well. >> there are cases involving the regulation of social media. two states tried to claim that facebook and other platforms are discriminating against conservative voices and tried to regulate it from their state houses. the supreme court has yet to weigh in on that which will have big repercussions for the first and speech. amna: we will have to have you back. kimberly atkins store and david brooks, thank you for being here.

geoff: our weekly digital show takes a look at the big week in including the first presidential debate of 2020 four. you can find that and more on our youtube page. amna: tuned into washington week with the atlantic. we will examine the key takeaways from the debate. geoff: the growing impact of climate change on family planning in bangladesh. amna: a note of thanks to a longtime member of our production team. geoff: jim schneider one of the key people responsible for making sure this broadcast makes it to the air every night is retiring after two remarkable tours of duty overseeing technical production. amna: we want to thank you for making everything we do better.

we know we have thrown quite a few challenges in your direction. your expertise and good humor will be very sorely missed. geoff: certainly one-of-a-kind. that is the newshour. for tonight, i'm geoff bennett. amna: and i am amna nawaz. thanks for joining us and have a great weekend. >> major funding for the pbs news hour has been provided by. and with the ongoing support of these individuals and institutions and friends of the newshour including kathy and paul anderson and camilla and george smith. the walton family foundation, working for solutions to protect water during climate change so people and nature can thrive together. the william and flora he. for more than 50 years promoting

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