geoff: good evening. i'm geoff bennett. amna: and i'm amna nawaz. on the “newshour” tonight, president biden holds a critical press conference amid calls that he should step away from the campaign. geoff: and in an exclusive interview during this week's nato summit, germany's chancellor says he's not seen anything to make him doubt president biden's ability to lead.

ch. scholz: i think it would be a big mistake to underestimate the president. amna: plus, judy woodruff examines the intersection of religion and political polarization by visiting an evangelical church known for its hardline views. ♪ >> major funding for the "pbs news hour" has been provided by. carnegie corporation of new york, working to reduce political polarization through philanthropic support for education, democracy, and peace. more information at carnegie.org. and with the ongoing support of these individuals and institutions.

this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. amna: welcome to the “newshour”" president biden is facing a high-pressure moment, preparing to hold his first solo press conference in several months at the nato summit in washington. it's a major public test for the president's re-election campaign as he faces questions over his stamina and health. geoff: earlier today, three of the president's top campaign advisers met with senate democrats behind closed doors to address concerns over his political future. some lawmakers expressed skepticism before and after the meeting. >> what's the main objective in

the room today? to find consensus? >> to make sure the health and wellbeing of the president, that he's able to do the job. >> if things stay as they are, it's likely donald trump will win the election and we'll lose the senate and we'll lose the house. >> he has to continue to allay those concerns that have been expressed by the american people more than myself or my colleagues. the voters are what matter. amna: our white house correspondent laura barron-lopez is at the nato summit. so what has been the response from the biden team to these latest calls from more lawmakers for him to step aside? laura: president biden, some of his closest as visors went to be hill today to meet with senators including the campaign chair and two of his top advisers in the white house. senators were pretty mum coming out of that meeting not offering much.

but we know that what those advisers were trying to communicate to the senators was that they still have a pathway to 270, multiple pathways they say. and we got a taste of what the biden campaign's argument is in a memo that the campaign chair sent out to supporters today and also sent internally to the campaign staff and in that memo, o'malley dillon says there was no seachange after the debate and that they have multiple pathways to 270. she said right now winning the blue all states, michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania, is the clearest pathway, but we also believe the sun belt states are not out of reach. the consensus being across internal and public polling is that everything remains within the margin of error for the president and that he can ultimately still win this. amna: meanwhile every moment for the president becomes a kind of high-stakes test. you are a got -- you are about to walk into this press

conference he is going to get at nato during this summit come of the first time he has taken questions from a group of reporters since the debate. what do you expect to happen? laura: this is a really critical moment for the president. this is a high-stakes press conference, one the white house calls a big boy press conference. he is expected to take a number of questions on his own from reporters. he will be met with a probably pretty aggressive press tour that will be asking about why he thinks he should remain in this race, especially as more and more house lawmakers in particular, house democrats come out saying they think he should step aside. a number of house democrats were texting me today saying they think no matter how he does in this press conference that more and more democrats are going to call on him to step aside, especially as nato allies leave. amna: after this press conference what can be expected see from the biden white house and campaign as they work to quiet these concerns? laura: president biden's team

keeps maintaining that he is in this and he is not exiting the race despite all of the lawmakers saying they think he should step aside and donors that are privately saying he should step aside. they say the vast majority of democrats are still behind him including the delegates. so the president is going to be campaigning more they said. they put him out there more in the past week and they said they will continue doing that. they are also putting him out with the press more. he is going to have a sit down with nbc on monday that in number of democrats tell me they will also be watching closely. amna: that is our whitehorse correspondent laura barron-lopez joining us from the nato summit. thank you. geoff: for more analysis of president biden's upcoming press conference and his political standing we are done by democratic strategist and former advisor to hillary clinton, philippe reines. thank you so much for being here. what if anything can president biden do in this press conference tonight to quell

concerns and and these calls for him to exit the race? philippe: honestly i would say nothing. because everyone is so dug in, that there is confirmation bias and that if you want him to half to leave you are going to find plenty of things in what he says and how he says it and how he looks to walk away with that. before the press conference even started he accidentally called president zelenskyy president putin. so you have half of washington already lighting up his phones. geoff: but he caught himself. philippe: he did. i don't think it is a big deal. the fact he doesn't -- most of america would not even cash that. but this is how washington works. the issue is why are we all sitting around with baited breath watching a press conference for a nato summit? if joe biden is going to salvage this, which he absolutely can, he has to go out and do his job without there being these huge

moments in time that can blow up. because these huge moments in time are not going to save him. they can only go bad. he needs to go out on a regular basis, maybe just go to the hamburger store with vice president harris with a rain bands on. have someone yell a question at him or be in the rose garden & something. it needs to be regular. not ok, we're are doing this big interview with george stephanopoulos and lester holt. i can tell you right now, i have been to a ton of nato and other press conferences. half of that room is foreign press. they are going to raise their hand and ask something actually about nato and the american press is going to be livid because that is not why they are there. geoff: top campaign staffers met with senate democrats today to address their concerns. if you are a biden campaign advisor what is your best argument to some of these worried democrats as to why joe biden should stay in the race? philippe: i think it is a couple

of things. first, listening to jen o'malley dillon laying it out, that is the first place to start. that there are many ways to get there. i am sure she did it in the room but you need to hear howell. the how is what is missing right now. everyone is focused on the damage, not how to move on. we are all mired in it. what is missing here is this notion that moving away from joe biden -- which we should all remember is entirely his decision. the entire country can decide it should not be him and that does not make a difference. that there is a cost to that. there are people who support joe biden who would be a set that. ok. it would rationally and logically be the vice president kamala harris to be denominatednow, there are lots of people -- to be the nominee. now, there are a lot of people playing fantasy football saying

it should be gretchen whitmer, or gavin newsom, or them together. there is a huge risk there. every iteration you go out you have to do the cost-benefit analysis. to some extent the argument you are making is it is not cost-free to just suddenly uproot who the nominee is. first of all, he is the only person who has beaten donald trump, so maybe we just stick with the horse we rode in on. there is also an argument that if joe biden were to lose, which i don't think is a fait accompli, but if he were to lose, they would be less carnage could there would be a lot of very upset people. they would be less carnage than if it went through the process of some various cockamamie schemes that alienated multiple demographics and subsets of a party, to end up in the same place, losing the white house. that could linger for a long time.

geoff: what do you think it means that the biden campaign is poll testing kamala harris against donald trump right now? philippe: i know that is an attractive thing to look at. i don't think that is abnormal. i think that is putin. they need to test every single thing they can. in 2012, barack obama tested hillary clinton as vice president. you just do these things because you need to understand. part of that is an interesting point. if you look at the arguments being made to president biden, one of them is the data. and these polls. they are not necessarily a slamdunk. the national polls are in no way did -- dispositive of what has been going on. state polling is starting to crater. but you need to know these things. indeed if the party which is not a monolith, but if there will be a decision by the president to take an extraordinary step, needs to be as well-informed as possible not just for himself

but for the vice president, for the vice president supporters and for all of us. because at the end of the day we want to keep donald trump out of office. if they just at a question in the poll, great. geoff: how much damage do you think these last two weeks since the debate has done not just to president biden, but to the biden/harris ticket? philippe: the first week after the debate was very damaging because it was essentially silence. this past week before nancy pelosi pretty much reignited the fire was affected and that he called into cable shows, he was very strong about it, he sent a very smart and clever letter to the hill. the heat -- the issue here to me is this is salvageable but not the way the white house in the

campaign has been fighting or not fighting over the last two weeks. they are not meeting the conversation where it is happening and i think that will be the problem with this press conference is that he is going to look the same. so that is 0-1 right there. he is going to not be talking about this in a health context. and that is 0-2. and that is tough. geoff: philippe reines, thank you as always for your insight. philippe: thank you for having me. ♪ amna: we begin our look at the day's other headlines with the latest nato support for ukraine. leaders spent the third and final day of their summit in washington discussing the state of the alliance, and ukraine's goal of becoming a member. the u.s. announced another $225 million aid package for ukraine.

president biden re-affirmed america's commitment during a meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky. >> and you made it clear russia will not prevail in ukraine, will not prevail in ukraine. ukraine will prevail, and i want you to know we're going to be with you every step of the way. amna: zelensky welcomed the support, calling it strong news. but he added that ukraine needs the u.s. to lift limits on firing its weapons deeper into russia, if it hopes to win the war. in the middle east, israel said its negotiating team is heading to cairo for continued talks for a possible cease-fire deal with hamas. it comes as israel presses its offensive in northern gaza. more displaced palestinians fled gaza city today to head south, following the latest evacuation orders from israel. also today, prime minister benjamin netanyahu told a military graduation ceremony that hamas is to blame for any lack of progress in the ceasefire talks. >> i am committed to the framework deal for freeing our

hostages, but the hamas murderers are sticking to demands that contradict the framework that endanger israel's security. the way to release our hostages is to continue pressuring hamas with all our might. amna: at that same ceremony, israel's defense minister called for a state inquiry to investigate netanyahu, and his entire cabinet, himself included, for security failures around the october 7 attacks. yoav gallant said the probe, quote, must be objective, it needs to investigate all of us, those who make decisions and those who carry them out, the government, the military, and the security agencies. there's relief in france tonight, after firefighters put out a blaze at the city of rouen's medieval cathedral. cell phone video captured smoke billowing from the spire around mid-day. authorities have not provided a cause, but reported only minor damage after the fire was put out. the cathedral was a favorite subject of impressionist claude

monet, and is considered one of the finest gothic churches in france. the scene was eerily similar to the 2019 fire that devastated notre dame cathedral in paris. the landmark is set to re-open in december, after a major restoration. the storm system that was hurricane beryl has now pushed into canada, but not before dumping torrential rains on vermont. at least one person has died, and more than 100 others had to be rescued, after more than six inches of rain fell in parts of the state. roads became rivers, as rushing waters slammed into businesses and homes. >> i don't even know where -- how much water came from where, because there's mud everywhere now and i haven't been inside. i don't know what's going on. this is, in my impression, catastrophic. i've just never seen anything like this. amna: the images today echoed

scenes when the state was swamped by deadly downpours at exactly this time last year. meantime in texas, energy officials say half-a million customers still won't have power by next week. beryl knocked out electricity to 2.7 million homes and businesses when it made landfall there as a category one hurricane on monday. frustration has been growing over the pace of getting power restored. the u.s. house of representatives rejected a republican effort to hold attorney general merrick garland in inherent contempt, for refusing to turn over recordings of president biden's interview in his classified documents case. the lawmakers wanted to fine garland $10,000 a day until he did so. four republicans joined all democrats in rejecting the measure. it was the latest such effort by gop members, who voted last month to hold garland in contempt of congress. even if the resolution had passed, it was unclear how it would have been enforced. u.s. consumer prices dipped last month for the first time in four years.

the consumer price index, measuring the costs of everyday staples like gas, groceries, and rent, fell by .1% from may to june. that's the first monthly decline since may of 2020. prices are still though 3% higher than the same time last year. but the cooling prices are welcome news for federal reserve officials, as they consider whether to cut interest rates. on wall street today, stocks struggled following that inflation data. the dow jones industrial average added about 30 points, for a minimal gain. the nasdaq dropped more than 360 points, after hitting records for seven straight sessions. the s&p 500 also fell back from a recent all-time high. and a passing of note. actress shelley duvall died in her sleep at her texas home, according to her longtime partner. duvall was a protege of director robert altman, starring in seven of his films, including “nashville” and “3 women.”

but many fans will remember duvall for her role opposite jack nicholson in stanley kubrick's “the shining.” in the 1980's, duvall started producing children's television shows before leaving hollywood in the 1990's for her home state of texas. she lived the rest of her life mostly away from the public eye. shelley duvall was 75. still to come on the “newshour”" judy woodruff examines the role religion plays in political polarization. and a first of its kind fashion show highlights the work of indigenous designers. >> this is the "pbs news hour" from weta studios in washington and in the west from the walter cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. amna: today is the final day of the nato summit here in washington.

at the top of the agenda this week, sustaining and expanding support for ukraine. not on the official agenda, concerns about the u.s. election, and its potential outcomes. earlier today, i spoke exclusively with chancellor olaf scholz of germany to discuss how nato leaders are preparing to tackle some of the biggest geopolitical challenges facing the world, what he thinks about his counterpart, president biden, and the prospect of a return to power by donald trump. chancellor scholz, welcome to the "news hour." thank you for being here. ch. scholz: hello. amna: let's begin with ukraine, which is clearly top of the nato summit agenda while you're here. you and others resisted language in the communique to extend ukraine an invitation to join nato. can you explain to us why that was? are you worried that that would send russia a signal of some kind of escalation? ch. scholz: no, it's not about this. we are supporting ukraine. as you know, germany is the second biggest donor of also military support to ukraine after the united states.

and we will continue to be strong in our support for ukraine. and during the war, no one expects ukraine to enter nato. it is now that we do what we can say today, and this is the language which we worked on in vilnius, which was the right way of saying that there is a path to nato for ukraine, and it is irreversible, as we say today. i think this is the right message. amna: you know of course russia is watching with great interest the messages from the summit. dmitry medvedev just tweeted this morning saying, commenting on this language about the irreversible path of ukraine. and he wrote this, quote, for russia, two possible ways of how this path ends are acceptable. either ukraine disappears or nato does. still better, both. what's your reaction to that? ch. scholz: the comments of medvedev are becoming more and more strange, to be very honest, but, in a way it shows that our language is absolutely clear.

and so it's good to hear this after we have talked in the beginning about the language of the nato meeting here. it's a strong message about the irreversible path, and it's the right thing to do. amna: if the goal continues to be to get ukraine everything that it needs to win this war, then there is the question of why you haven't yet authorized sending the tourists missiles, those long range german cruise missiles, because the u.s. has sent their versions and the u.k. has sent their version. so why isn't germany sending yours? ch. scholz: as i already said, germany is the second biggest supporter of ukraine. also, when it comes to weapons, we delivered everything which is important for air defense. three patriot systems, the biggest number from all countries, and we invite many others to do more. we delivered howitzers and tanks and we continue to do so. so this is our way of doing support. and our decision is that we will not deliver weapons which have a

long range and where we do not have enough control about what will happen if they will be used at aims that are far away. amna: but i take that to mean that you would not trust ukraine to use those longer-range weapons in a way you fear could escalate the conflict? ch. scholz: i trust them, and we are working together intensely, and we took all the necessary decisions for ukraine that they could defend the country also, together with the united states, giving them the chance to be more effective in defending their own country so that they go can go against russian troops. amna: we know that you and the other nato allies and the rest of the world are watching this upcoming u.s. election with great interest. it was last month, you said that you believe president biden is

likely to win a second term. you've said this week that you don't have any concerns about his health, as other folks have raised questions. we have since that debate performance, though, we've seen the biggest shift in polls here in the u.s. away from him and towards former president trump kely to win?elieve that he is ch. scholz: i'm not someone that is able to say how will be the outcome of american elections. but i think it would be a big mistake to under estimate the president. he is successful in doing the necessary things, for instance, in organizing the nato alliance. and his leadership was very important in the last years and months, and also preparing this very meeting here in washington. and he is also a successful campaigner. so i think it is the american people that will take a decision. and i just can tell you from my perspective, as someone that is speaking with biden, he is very focused and he is very intensely doing what the president of the united states has to do for leading the alliance. amna: you have been in a unique position this week.

have you seen any moments at all in your latest interactions with him that tell you in any way he is not up to another four years? ch. scholz: no. amna: and can i also ask, did you watch the debate that has created so many headlines here? ch. scholz: yes, i did. amna: you did. ch. scholz: to be honest, everyone in europe is very much interested in the politics within the united states because the united states are the strongest superpower in the world. and it's our most important ally. so we are trying to understand what goes on. amna: and as you watched it, nothing that you saw gave you any concern or reason for pause? ch. scholz: i think that he made his points and he argued why it is necessary to work on a good cooperation globally with our friends and allies of democracy, democratic states. and he was very clear and focused on questions of national politics. amna: mr. biden, as you mentioned, has been a strong and

a vocal defender of nato, of its role in the world. how much do you think is at stake for the alliance in this upcoming u.s. election? ch. scholz: the alliance is important for the security of the united states, of canada, and of all the european states on the other side of the atlantic. i think it is necessary that we understand that though there might be differences between the states joining the alliance, it is not about the basic principles of how to run the country and about democracy, as i said. amna: under a potential second trump presidency, however, does your view on that change? i mean, this is someone who sent mixed messages on the alliance. he's previously called it obsolete. he's explicitly warned that the u.s. would not step in to defend nato allies who haven't met that 2% of gdp defense spending target. what happens to nato under a president trump? ch. scholz: i met during all the

years many people from the congress, bipartisan, from all parties. and i will say that there is constantly a clear understanding of both parties, that nato is in the interest of the united states. and this commitment is very strong. so i think that this is how american politicians who are in the security community think about this question, and i'm sure that this will continue for the next decades. amna: do you believe mr. trump shares that view of nato's importance? ch. scholz: in the end, this was the experience we had, during the last, presidency of trump. but it is nothing where i would speculate about. i'm just knowing that republicans and democrats are very clear in this question. amna: have you yourself been in touch directly with former president trump? ch. scholz: i met him when he was president. amna: and not since then? that's a no?

ch. scholz: i met him when he was president. as a mayor and as finance minister and vice chancellor at that time when my predecessor was visiting together, going together with me to these meetings of g7 and g20. amna: but not since he left office here in the u.s.? ch. scholz: no. amna: i do want to ask you about the other major war and that is of course, israel's war in gaza. your foreign minister recently just condemned israel's strikes this week that were at both tent areas for displaced palestinians outside a school in southern gaza. those were called unacceptable by your foreign minister. and she said that the repeated attacks on schools by the israeli army must stop. the question is, how do you get them to stop? ch. scholz: we have a clear understanding of what about the situation. the first is that of the brutal attack of hamas against israeli citizens, israel has the right to defend itself against hamas.

and right from the beginning, we were very clear saying that this has consequences for the way of doing this war against hamas, reducing the civilian casualties. we discussed about the need for humanitarian aid to get to gaza. we discussed about the question of west bank and that there should be not enlargement of settlements and that there should be no attacks against palestinian civilians in the west bank. we were very clear on the perspective, and we are clear that there must be a two-state solution which gives the chance for israel and a palestinian state, consisting of west bank and gaza, to live peacefully together. amna: at the same time, chancellor, there have been expansions of the settlements in the west bank, and there have been tens of thousands of civilians killed. so, what can be done at this point?

ch. scholz: we have to be clear. and as friends of israel, we have to be especially clear. and this is what we do, the united states do, as far as i see it, and many others also. so that's what we can do. amna: i'd like to ask you also about our colleague in journalism from the wall street journal, evan gershkovich, who is being held in russia. there's a convicted russian assassin by the name of vadim krasikov who remains jailed in germany. and there were reports that you were willing to trade him for evan and for alexi navalny when he was alive, before he ended up dying in a russian prison. can you confirm those reports? were you willing to make that trade? ch. scholz: you don't really expect that i will be very clear on questions like this. we are very active to help those who are imprisoned in russia. and this is an activity we are doing together with others. and, yes, that's what i will say here. amna: i guess the question is

relevant today because there remain so many westerners and americans jailed in russia. if it was a possibility to trade someone like him before, could there be a deal on the table to trade now for evan gershkovich and paul whelan, who's also still in russia? ch. scholz: as i said, there are aspects of international politics which have to be done in a very pragmatic way and without debating them. and this is what you should have in mind. so we tried to get prisoners out, but it's very difficult. and it's nothing for speculating about this. amna: but a trade is potentially one way these men could be freed. is that fair to say? ch. scholz: it's not fair to say, because you're trying to get an answer from me where i said i won't give you an answer. amna: fair enough. chancellor, i want to ask you about issues back home in germany and across europe. the rest of the world has been watching recent elections there

with great interest as well. you expressed some relief that the far right in france did not prevail in their recent elections. germany is, of course, reckoning with its own rise and a far right party and the alternative for germany party. how worried are you about the rise of those far right forces in germany? ch. scholz: i'm worried about the rise of far right forces all over the world, and especially in many of the rich countries. we have to understand why this is happening. we have always to understand that the big majority of people is not agreeing with them in all these countries. but we have to develop a strategy which is making it more sure that the support for them will decrease. but it is a time where we have to organize that the change will be successful, not just on an abstract prospect from an abstract perspective, but also if we look at the individual perspective of people who look

at themselves or those who are like them. amna: i found it interesting in reaction to the success of some of those far right parties in recent european elections. you called it a decisive turning point in politics, and you attributed much of that to really a public loss of trust in mainstream politics. so how do you and other leaders facing this similar challenge, how do you get that trust back? ch. scholz: we are living in a time where there is a lot of insecurity. so, hope, and the view that there is a good perspective for everyone is key for fighting against these right, populist parties. we have to go away from this idea of a zero sum game. this is the basis for, for getting our societies together and for social coherence, which i think is important. amna: german chancellor olaf scholz, thank you so much for your time for being here today. really appreciate it.

ch. scholz: thank you. ♪ geoff: we turn now to religion in america and the political divide. in her last story, judy woodruff reported on the decline among white christian churches and the influence of politics. tonight, she visits an evangelical church in tennessee that's bucking that trend, seeing strong growth as it's leaned into hardline politics. it's part of her ongoing series on divisions, "america at a crossroads." judy: in a country where many pews increasingly sit empty, twice a week in mount juliet, tennessee, outside of nashville, hundreds gather to sing, worship, and find community in the converted tent of global vision bible church.

they're led by pastor greg locke, a one-time fundamentalist baptist who gained fame and followers over the past decade while taking hardline positions on issues like gender neutral bathrooms in target stores. >> what you are targeting are perverts, pedophiles, people who are going to harm our children. judy: calling covid-19 a hoax. >> if you show up with a mask and all this nonsense i will ask you to leave! i will ask you to leave! judy: claiming that democrats could not be christians. [shouting] judy: and spreading election fraud claims. >> he told me at the u.s. capitol praying and preaching while the insurrection went on behind him. >> there was a time, i think,

that maybe i felt it was my responsibility to play to the division a little bit more maybe than i do now. i'm very demonstrative. i'm very conservative. very, you know, well known and outspoken for my political and religious beliefs. but i think we're at a place that if we don't figure out now how to bridge the chasm, we're never going to. judy: you consider yourself an evangelical? >> y. although that is a hijacked term. because there was a time that if you said you were evangelical, it really meant a handful of things, you believe in the inerrancy of scripture, the second coming of christ, jesus christ is the only way to heaven. and you shared your faith. but now if you say you're an evangelical, well, then that means you vote a certain way, you dress a certain way, you're a certain denomination. and so i think it's been hijacked by a political agenda in some ways. judy: that political agenda dates back decades, to the late 1970's and the rise of baptist minister jerry falwell and the

moral majority. in 1980, white evangelicals abandoned fellow evangelical, democrat jimmy carter, and voted for ronald reagan, who embraced falwell and his culturally conservative agenda, starting a trend that has only grown. three quarters of white evangelicals voted for george w. bush, john mccain, and mitt romney for president, and 8 in 10 voted for donald trump in 2016 and 2020. american baptist pastor and political scientist ryan burge. >> today, churches have become so homogenous. you know, white evangelicalism is 80% republican today. if you go to a white evangelical church, you're probably not going to find a single democrat in the congregation. and the pastor's probably also a strong republican as well. so you're going to hear one message and one understanding of the world. judy: and that trend, he says, was only accelerated by covid-19 and the way the pandemic response was politicized.

>> pastors have always sort of dodged landmines during their sermons because they don't want to wade into these issues. the problem with covid was you couldn't dodge the landmines anymore. you had to make a decision, mask or no mask. distancing or no distancing. all online, all in person. what do we do? judy: pastor locke refused to close down his church during the pandemic, defying state authorities, and warned his members not to wear masks nor to get vaccinated. >> i think covid showed us there's a lot of people that are not willing to say anything when the government stands up and says, this is the way that it should be. well, we became very quickly well known for no, no, no, that's not the way it's going to be. we're going to put our feet in the ground and we're going to draw a line in the sand and say, no, no, no, this is what the bible teaches. and come hell or high water, we're going to believe the bible. >> there's a lot of fake in the world today. judy: that was a message that strongly resonated with some of his members, like boston native

andrew flessa, who first came to this church in 2022 through the reawaken america tour, a right-wing religious revival. he then moved from texas to tennessee to join greg locke. >> there's a lot of misinformation. there's a lot of confusion. so when you find a voice that you can tell has a lot of truth coming out of them, then you do start to realize, ok, this is a move of god. he's a mouthpiece of god. so i want to be a part of this. judy: billie kennedy started coming to global vision more than a decade ago, and found a personal connection with pastor locke. >> he explains everything from top to bottom, line by line. it makes it so easy and the freedom just flows. >> we moved here in 2022. judy: tracy wells also moved to join this church, in her case,

all the way from oregon with her husband. >> at that time, we had been looking in oregon for a church, and with covid, everything just closed up. so, there were no churches. and we started following online every sunday and every wednesday. and finally we said, why do we want to be in oregon when we really want to be in the church? so, we sold everything and we moved here, and we have not looked back. >> there's so much divisiveness in this country right now. judy: milo wright is a lifelong tennessean who found this church nearly 15 years ago, and found a community too. >> whether it be political, whether it be religious, there's just too much lukewarmness in the church for people aren't firm in their beliefs, are not firm believers of the bible, because they allow things to creep into the church that

shouldn't be there. judy: for this group, their church and their faith greatly inform the way they view politics, and their choices in this year's presidential election. >> it's whoever stands with israel. and at least in president trump's last go around, he was much more close with israel, much more pro-israel. and biden has not been very strong in terms of israel. and that's one of the commandments in the bible. you know, whoever blesses israel, whoever protects israel, will also receive my blessing, will also receive my protection. >> there are many issues in the church that we look at biblically. we don't look at them politically. abortion is one. god says in the bible it is life. it begins at conception. that is righteous.

and if someone is going to stand for that, i'm going to be with that person. judy: pick up on that, milo, on this question of, what former president trump believes about reproductive rights. if one believes abortion is wrong, his view is that it should be up to the state to decide. is that a position you're comfortable with? >> i'm very comfortable with that because each state contains a different demographic. so each state should be controlled by their demographic. that's the way our government works. judy: at the same time, they pushed back against the idea that someone who supports reproductive rights, as president biden does, could be considered a christian. >> does his practicing catholicism line up with his pro-abortion stance? i ask you that. it doesn't really pass the smell test. judy: their support of former

president trump was also qualified, a question of choosing between the better of two imperfect choices. >> there was a time that there was no doubt it was all trump. it was trump. trump. well, i feel that trump, i don't know who will be president, but at least he loved the country. >> there's no magic bullet. trump's not a magic bullet. whatsoever. so, you know, it just kind of depends on how much faith you put in the bible or how much faith you put in a man, a politician. >> i don't think either man could be held to a high christian standard. judy: for milo wright, the critique is broader than religion. >> border was pretty tight when trump was in. the economy was pretty good pre-covid when trump was in. the stock market was way up. with biden, i don't see any results. >> i'm not nearly as trumpian in

some ways as i used to be. but is he better for the nation than joe biden? 10,000%. joe biden's ruined the nation. he has destroyed the economy and it's only going to get worse. judy: despite evidence showing a strong u.s. economy, greg locke says many in his congregation are suffering. and yet, he's also dismayed by trump's unwillingness to support a national ban on abortion. >> biblically there is never a time that we should opt for abortion, adoption over abortion a thousand times every single time. judy: how much do you plan to advocate for him this year? >> i don't plan to advocate for him at all except going to the voting booth. judy: so it's different from 2020? >> 100%. i'm bored with politics because politics is not going to save this nation. politics are going to be corrupt until jesus comes. and so i thought, you know what?

i've wasted a lot of energy on tying to change something that i'm not going to change. judy: how do you see the country working its way through this divide right now? do you see people coming together? do you see one side weakening? >> i don't know that either side is weakening. i think both sides are emboldening themselves and i think that is going to be dangerous. i don't know what that looks like. inevitably, i know i don't want some kind of conflict, you know, i don't want some kind of civil war. i don't want cessation. i don't want all that. but at the end of the day, i'm not sure that we can fully bridge the gap that we've created. i mean, we are more divided now than we've ever been. if donald trump gets the white house, is that going to change? probably not. and i have been part of that problem in the past. that ideas either democrat or

republican. i am pretty messed up about both of them at this point. judy: what caused you to rethink that? >> i tell people i used to fight democrats, now i fight demons. i used to fight the left. and i'm like, you know what i want? i want to see people set free, and i don't care what side of the aisle they're on. and so i had to get to a place where i was like, you know what? republicans aren't going to save us. democrats aren't going to save s. as far as i'm concerned, they're two heads of the same snake. >> i think that's interesting. i always wonder, as a political scientist, how many decisions are made strategically and how many are made spiritually? judy: for pastor and political scientist ryan burge, greg locke's journey raises some familiar questions about faith and following. >> you have seen a lot of people do this. they've really gone hard in one direction and then backed off over time. even if you looked at billy graham, for instance, he used to preach a pretty fire and brimstone message but near the end of his life, you got a lot softer on a lot of gospel issues. i think a lot of people realize,

like, you can build up an audience, but what's it worth, you know, long term for the health of my soul and me as a person? judy: so you're saying it's hard to believe that he's sincere? is that what you're saying? >> anytime a public figure changes their direction, it's always a question of, what's directing the ship, what's guiding the show? i can't see into greg locke's heart. i hope to god that he finds a gospel that's redemptive, that's salvific, that brings people together, not pushes people apart. that realizes that, you know, christianity is a religion that builds bigger tables, not taller walls. unfortunately, the message of taller walls and keeping people out tends to do really well in america. judy: for the "pbs news hour," i'm judy woodruff in mount juliet, tennessee. ♪ amna: a first in the fashion world happened in sante fe, new mexico recently, putting a burgeoning fashion sector on the map.

special correspondent megan thompson had a front row seat for our arts and culture series, "canvas." megan: it was what you might expect of a high-end, standing-room-only fashion show -- stunning clothing, booming music, and a decked-out crowd recording every minute on their phones. but what made this runway show different, all the clothing was created by indigenous designers from the u.s. and canada. the event was put on by the southwestern association for indian arts, or swaia. >> swaia native fashion week is the first indigenous fashion week held in the united states. we have been very invisible or very minimal in some of these industries. so we are creating a platform to highlight these voices in the world.

megan: over four days, designers, models, media, and more than 2000 fashionistas and fans packed photo opps, pop-up shops and more. 17 designers presented at two different runway shows. >> indigenous fashion is the original fashion design of north america. megan: 10 years ago, amber-dawn bear robe produced a single runway show for swaia during its annual indigenous art market. she says interest has grown so much, she had to create this much larger event. but bear robe, a native art historian, says what's happening here isn't necessarily new. for thousands of years, indigenous people have been creating couture, fashion-speak for clothing that is custom-made. >> you do not get more couture than hunting an animal, gutting and cleaning intestine to make this pristine, beautiful, exquisite material, to make a one of a kind gut skin garment. megan: some designers put a modern spin on traditional materials like beads and feathers. canadian helen oro is plains cree from the pelican lake first nation.

>> one of the questions when i first started was, do you have to be indigenous to wear beadwork? it's for everyone. megan: for creators who don't have brick and mortar stores, the event gave them a chance to sell directly to customers. orlando dugi designs luxury women's and menswear, all hand-made in his santa fe studio. >> the beating, i do all of that myself. megan: his work is inspired by the stars, which hold important spiritual and cultural meaning for the navajo. >> how the stars show up in my work is through a lot of beading and embroidery, lots of sparkles and, i chose evening wear, because it's usually worn at night under the stars. megan: dugi's new collection, which he's planning to launch next year, is called stargazer. >> it's a crew in a ship traveling the galaxy. i want to represent my culture, my heritage, but without being very literal in translation. one of the challenges is, my work not being native enough,

for non-native people and also native people. >> there are expectations of what a native designer should be, and i've run away from that concept my whole life. megan: taos pueblo designer patricia michaels has been in the business for 40 years and she says she's always dealt with ignorance and stereotypes. including in 2013, when she was the first native american on the long-running, hugely popular tv show, project runway. where she made it all the way to the final. >> being taos pueblo, living matter is important to us. many of the imagery that i have on my hand, painted silks and different fabrications of my textiles are ideas that come from nature. >> amazing. megan: michaels recently made a dress for actor tantoo cardinal, who starred in the oscar-nominated "killers of the

flower moon," to wear to the cannes film festival. >> i thought of an eagle headdress. and that's the biggest honor. so i took it from the man's head and i flipped it, and i put it at her core, and i wanted her to feel like she was in flight. >> i remember when it was shameful to be wearing anything indian. and now to see what's happened with our industry, oh my god. megan: but excitement and interest can lead to cultural appropriation. when non-native designers profit from native patterns and motifs without permission or acknowledgement. ralph lauren came under fire in 2022 for using indigenous mexican designs. >> and we're working on getting native people into every department. megan: filmmaker and model peshawn bread has been working with ralph lauren to increase inclusivity. last year, the brand announced its first artist-in-residence, navajo weaver naiomi glasses, who has created two collections

so far. bread, who is comanche, kiowa, and cherokee, hopes fashion events like this will continue the progress. >> i really hope that this opens the fashion world's eyes into our world, and successfully creates a bridge where we can collaborate with different brands, or anything that we dream of as designers. megan: this is bread's first runway show as a designer. their collection is an ode to the 1970's, when federal law finally guaranteed native americans the right to religious freedom. >> it was such a politically charged time for indigenous people, for native people around the country. so i wanted to imagine, what if we weren't always fighting? what if we could have some joy? what would we wear to the disco? megan: when saturday's runway show began, bread's were the first looks to come down the runway. seven more designers followed. for many of the spectators, the show was about more than beautiful clothes. >> it became very emotional. >> i'm speechless.

>> this is history in the making. megan: patricia michaels' designs ended the evening. her signature hand-dyed and painted garments receiving a standing ovation from a devoted crowd. >> i see how it's evolved so that every native tribe now can have their story told in a very modern, contemporary sense, without ridicule, but celebration. megan: for the "pbs news hour," i'm megan thompson in santa fe, new mexico. ♪ amna: and remember, tonight you can watch president biden's full press conference online at pbs.org/newshour and on our youtube page. geoff: and we will have more analysis on the state of the

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