>> georgia at the battleground state in the race for the white in just a moment calling u.s. president, we'll debate the former u.s. presidents as their party's presumptive nominee. first in american history. we want to welcome

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>> and >> please welcome the 45th president of the united states. donald trump. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. let's begin the debate and let's start with the issue that voters consistently say is their top concern. the economy. >> president biden, inflation has slowed, but prices remain high since you took office. the price of essentials has increased, for example, a basket of groceries to cost $100. then now costs more than $120 and typical home prices have jumped more than 30%. what do you say to voters who feel they are worse off under your presidency than they were under president trump? >> that take a look at what i

was left impression and mister trump let we have economy of in truthful and then so badly handled. many people are dying. all he said was not that just injecting bleach. and, you you are launched, pay rooms to 50% terrible. and so we had to do try to things together again. it's exactly what we begin to do. 50,000 new jobs, new his issue you have 800,000 manufacturing it is known to be doing. want to be doing work in case people are still trouble and come from scranton, pennsylvania, compassion read a kitchen table. he's able make 3 month was aims to push against oppression, all i'm working hard to make and do with those problems. and we're going to make sure that we reduced depression. going make to to >> they make sure we can

corporate. we can take over the combination and it was left with a quip agrees. the reason why we use problem making in addition to that, should ation where if you have look at all that was done in his to didn't do much in awe and the tv live to we can. season. cans. and so we in community. i see chance make sure we have situation we report on the patient a few drugs using major issue for many people to $15. houston his post $400. shooting has to be more than $200 any job. all the food you can next year. situation is made make it available to everybody work and even down the transition from the kitchen table. that's really good thank you. president trump. >> we have the greatest economy in the history of our country and we have never done so everybody was amazed by

other countries will copy as we got hit with covid. and when we did, we spent the money necessary we wouldn't end up in great depression, the likes of which we had in 1929, by the time we finished, we did a great job with a lot of credit to the economy. a lot of credit the military no wars in so many other things. everything was rockin good. but the thing we never got the credit for and we should have is getting us out of that covid and he created mandates that was a disaster for our country. but other than that, we had we had given them a country where the stock market actually was higher than pre-covid and nobody thought that was even possible. the only jobs he created a and legal immigrants and bounce back jobs to bounce back from the covid. he has not done a good job. he's done a poor job in inflation is killing our country is absolutely killing us. >> thank you. president biden. your day she came in the world, he's extended. and else is new to patient came to you

better than that is active. you ourselves a situation where comes up me. he wanted to wealthy, hit a large text, had no history to dollars. he was a difference a large and that president hasn't anyone to. he's only place, you know, have lost jobs and he added game show idea that he did something that we should if you and change. you know, when you stretch you people, afghans team, he didn't do anything about he was present still finish as the position where you had a notion use country to things and then praise you essentially it doesn't have any to stick in anywhere in the world like he did. president trump. i want to follow-up if i can. you want respond to why and ask you a follow-up. you can do whatever you want with the minute that we gave i want to follow up. you want to impose

a 10% tariff on all goods coming into the u.s.. >> how will you ensure that that doesn't drive prices even higher now than it just close countries that have been ripping us off years like china. >> and many others, in all fairness to china, it's going just force them to pass a lot of money reduce our deficit tremendously and give us a lot of power for other things. he would he made a statement. the only thing is right about is i gave you the largest tax cut in history. also give you the largest regulation cut in history. that's what we had. all the jobs and the jobs went down and then they bounce back and he's taking credit for a bounce-back jobs. you can do that. >> he also said he inherited 9% inflation. now he inherited almost no inflation and it stay that way for 14 months. and then it blew up under his leadership because they spent money like a bunch of people that didn't know what they were doing and they don't know what they're doing is the worst. probably the worst administration in history has never been. and as far as afghan is standing attention, i was getting out of afghanistan, but we are getting out with dignity, with

strength, with power. he got out. it was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country's life. >> president trump over the last 8 years under both of your administration's the national debt soared to record highs and according to a new non-partisan analysis, president trump, your administration approved 8.4 trillion dollars in new debt. well, so far, president biden, you've approved 4.3 trillion dollars in new debt. so former president trump, many of the tax cuts that you signed into law are set to expire next year. you want to extend them and go even further. you say with the u.s. facing trillion dollar deficits and record debt. why should top earners and corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now? because the tax cuts period, the greatest economy that we've ever seen just prior to covid and even after covid, it was so strong that we're able to get through covid much better than just about any other country. >> but we sped that tax spirit. now, when we cut the taxes is example. the corporate taxes cut down to 21% from 39%. plus be on that.

we took in more revenue with much less tax and companies will bring it back. trillions of dollars back into our country. the country was going like never before. and we're ready to start paying down debt. we really start using the liquid gold right under our feet. the oil and gas right under a sheet. we were going to have something that nobody else has had. we got hit with covid. we did a lot to fix it. i gave him an unbelievable situation with all of the therapeutics and all of the things that we came up we gave him something great. remember more people died under his administration even though we had largely fixed more people died and his administration that our administration and we were right in the middle of it something which a lot of people don't like to talk about. but he far more people dying in his administration. he did the mandate, which is a disaster, mandating it the vaccine, one that he didn't mandating the vaccine, which is the thing that people most objected to about the vaccine.

and he did a very poor job. just a very poor job. and i will tell you, not only for their but throughout the entire world will no longer respected as a country respect leadership. they do respect the united states anymore. when like a 3rd world nation between weaponization of his election trying to go after his political opponent, all of the things he's done. we've become like a 3rd worid nation and it's a shame the damage he's done to our country. and i'd love to ask him and will why he allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails in mental institutions to come into our country and destroy our country. >> president trump, we will get to later in this block. president biden, i want to give you opportunity to respond to this question about the national debt. >> he had the largest national day. you for everyone and the 2. you've got to tune out. a test could benefit the very wealthy. yeah. i want do 60 texas. it was apple. we had 2002 years unit and an and

what's happening a situation they checked 22% actions if they just pay 24%. 25% either. one of those numbers indeed makes 500 million dollars billion dollars as you change in the tin he didn't read without his debt be able help make sure you all those we need to chain can you can sure that we continue to chasing a health making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what i've been able do can covid be dealing with. mean, we have to do we finally be medicare. thank you, president, about president trump. >> here's what he did. beat medicaid. beat it to death and is destroying medicare because all of these people are coming in to putting them on medicare

that putting him social security, they're going to destroy social security. this man is going to single-handedly destroy social security. these millions and they're trying to put them on social security. he will wipe out social security. he will wipe out medicare. so he was right in the way he finished that sentence. and it's a shame what's happened to our country in the last 4 years is not to be believed foreign countries i'm friends with a lot of people. they cannot believe what happened to the united states of america will no longer respected. they they don't like us. we give them everything they want and they they think we're stupid. they think we're very stupid people. what we're doing for other countries and they do nothing for us. but this man has done absolutely criminal. >> thank you. president trump this is the first presidential election since the supreme court overturn roe v wade. this morning. the court ruled on yet another abortion case

temporarily emergency abortions to continue in idaho. despite that state's restrictive ban. former president trump. you take credit for the decision to overturn roe v wade, which returned the issue of abortion to the states wrecked, however, the federal government still plays a role in whether or not women have access to abortion pills. they're used in about two-thirds of all abortions as president. would you block abortion medication? >> first, though, the supreme court just approved the abortion pill. and i agree with the decision to have done that and i will not it. and if you look at this whole question that you're asking complex, but not really complex. 51 years ago he had roe v wade and everybody wanted to get it back to the states. everybody without exception, democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, everybody wanted to religious leaders. and what i did is i put 3 great supreme court justices

on the court and they have to devote in shaver killing roe v wade and moving it back to the states. is something that everybody wanted now 10 years ago or so. they started talking about how many weeks and how many this getting into other things. but every legal scholar throughout the world, the most respected wanted brought back to the states. i do now the states are working it out. if you look at ohio, it was a decision that was it was result. that was a little bit more liberal than you would have thought. kansas. i would say the same thing at texas is different florida station, but they were making their own decisions right now. and right now, the state's control, if that's the vote of the people like ronald reagan, i believe in the exceptions, i am a person that believes and frankly, i think it's important to believe in exceptions. some people you have to follow your heart. some people don't believe in that. but i believe in the exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother, i think it's very important. some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get

elected also and it because that has to do with other things. you got to get elected. the problem they have is the radical because they will take the life of a child in the 8th month, the 9th month. even after both after if you look at the former governor of virginia, he was willing to do this, he said will put the baby aside and we'll determine what we do with the baby. meaning will kill the baby. what happens? we brought it back to the states and the country is now coming together on this issue. it's been a great thing. thank you. president terrible but you >> fact is that vast majority of concision scholarship or was inside supporting role. and was that she decided that they want to get you just ridiculous. and this is a guy who says the state should be able to have state. we're in 6 weeks. you need know if you're pregnant, but you cannot shoot doctor and have him decided what you should changed. we need help. idea that state do this is a little like chain.

we to shovel respect states each day have a different rule. but so many young women who have included, the young woman who just and he went to the shooting and the idea she was murdered by and community. you talk about here's the deal. there's a lot it would unwilling to be raped by biden i to brothers and sisters. just it's just ridiculous. and you can do nothing about it. try to rescue men across state lines. thank you. >> have been many young women murdered by the same people. he allows to come across our border. we have a border. that's the most dangerous place anywhere in the world. considered the most dangerous place anywhere in the world. and he opened it up and these killers are coming into our country and they are and killing women. and it's a terrible thing as far as the abortions can say. it is now back with the states. the states are voting and in many

cases it's frankly a very liberal decision. in many cases, it's opposite. but they're voting and it's bringing it back to the vote of the people, which is what everybody wanted, including the founders. if they knew about this issue, which frankly they didn't, but they would event everybody wanted brought back. ronald reagan wanted brought back. he was unable to get it. everybody waiting to brought back and many presidents had tried to get it back. i was the one to do it again. this gives it a vote of the people and that's where they wanted it. every legal scholar wanted it that way. >> staying on the topic of abortion, president biden, 7 states. i'll let you do this is its same topic. 7 states have no legal restrictions. and how far into a pregnancy a woman can obtain an abortion. do you support any legal limits on how late a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy has support roe v wade. she had 3 shuttle missions. first time is between woman in the docket.

check your time is up to the doctor and an extreme situation. 3rd channels between. >> to doctor having the woman state. idea that the politicians, they founders want the politicians to be. the winds begin to see i want to his reductions. it's the last no politician making decision. doctor should making his decision. that's how should be wrong. that's what you do. and if i'm elected, i'm going to store roe v wade. so that means he can take the life of the baby in the 9th month and even after because some states democrat run take it after birth again to governors from the governor of virginia. put the baby down. then we decide what to do that. so he's and he's willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the in the 9th month and kill the baby. >> nobody wants that to happen. democrat or republican. nobody wants it to happen. you love that is simply not true roe v wade is provide today. it's not the

circumstance life is in danger. she going die. that's only circumstance where second happened. but we're not for late term abortion period. 2 period. roe v wade, you have late term abortion. you can do whatever you want to pending in the state. you can do whatever you want. we don't think that's a good thing. we think it's a radical thing. we think the democrats are the radicals, not the republicans. just 51 years that was lost. 51 years comes from a ship, said it was the right way to go 51 years and was taken away because this guy please convey, can show members on the supreme court takes credit for taking away. what's he going to do? what you can do is check to if republicans he gets elected and republicans control the times and a passion. universal man on abortion period across the board had 6 weeks to 7 or or 10. checked into very conservative as you can sign up a hillside. thank you. >> let's turn now to the issue of integration in border

security. president biden, a record number of migrants have illegally cross the southern border on your watch. overwhelming border states and overburdening cities such as new york and chicago and in some cases causing real safety and security concerns. given that washing voters trust you to solve this crisis. >> we worked very hard to get a bipartisan agreement had not only change all of that and make sure that we are situation where the you no circumstance where they come across the number of important issue right now, you should get number simon, she should be by the border patrol endorsed endorsed my position. addition to that, find ourselves a situation where when he was president, he was taking shape babies and their to cajuns, the families are separated. that's not a way to go. and i did shoot. i've changed the law. what happened have changed in the way now you have situation where 40% people coming across the

border illegally. he's been left office and continue to move in get total ban. needed do the total initiate relative to what we can do more border patrol and more. an president trump. >> i really didn't know what he said. the end of their sons. think he knows what he said. he that look. we have the safest border in the history of our country. the board only added to its lead. we had additionally judge, he decided to open up our border, open up our country, too. people that are from prisons, people that from mental institutions, insane asylum terrorists with the largest number of terror is coming to a country right now. all terrorist school over the world, not just in south america, all over the world. they come from the middle east, everywhere all over the world are pouring in. >> and this guy just left it open and he didn't need legislation because i didn't have legislation. i should close the border with the safest border in history in that final couple of months of

my presidency, we had according to border patrol who great. and by the way, who endorsed me for president. but i won't say that endorsed me for president. brendan, just speak to him. but look, we have the safest history. now we have the worst quarter in history. he's never been anything like it and people are dying all over the place, including the people that are coming out and into trump for president biden. >> only 2 crossed border. his warning came along 3 management education locate community. the station killed 3 american soldiers. 2, 3 american soldiers. it's only terrorist and then change tourist ever that can dia tune prisoners were in community people and simply not there's no data support. we once again is huge and rainy slide. >> president trump, i'm staying on the topic of immigration. you said you're going to carry out, quote, the largest domestic deportation operation in american history,

unquote. does that mean that you will deport every undocumented immigrant in america, including those who have jobs, including those who spouses are citizens, including who have lived here for decades. and if so. >> how would you do? and just one 0nd, he said we kill 3 people. the people we killed our al-baghdadi and maney the 2 greatest biggest areas anywhere in the world and it had a huge impact on everything, not just border on everything. he's the one that killed people with a bad word, including. hundreds of thousands of people dying and also killing our citizens when they come in. we have we are living right now in a rat's nest. they're killing our people in new york and california in every state in the union because we don't have borders anymore. every state is now a border and because of his ridiculous, insane and very stupid policies. people are coming in and killing our citizens at a level that we've never we call it migrant crime. i biden

migrant crime, killing our citizens at a level that we've never seen before. and you're reading it like these 3 incredible young girls over the last few days. one of just spoke to the mother and he just had the funeral for this girl 12 years old. this is horrible. what's taken place, what's taken place in our country will literally uncivilized country. now he doesn't want be. he just doesn't know. he open the borders. nobody's ever seen anything like and we have to get a lot of these people out and we have to get them out fast because they're going to destroy our country. just take a look at where they're living. they're living in luxury hotels in new york city and other places. our veterans are of the street did die because he doesn't care about a veteran. is okay. doesn't like the military at all and he doesn't care about. that is nobody been worse. i had the highest approval rating for veterans taking care. the va. he has the worst. he's got rid of all the things that i approve choice but to get through congress, all of the different things i approve.

they abandoned. we had by far the highest and now it's down in less than half because he's done all these great things that we did. and i think he did it just because i approved it, which is crazy. but he is killed so many people at our border. all of these people to come in, as said, de una about you have the mike evans unification is a lie. >> every single one, for example, that a of a lot better options had passed the pact act. 1 million of them now insurance and their families if families have because what happened and where there was agent orange for pitch. they're all being covered. now and he opposes group opposing it. also situation where and great respect veterans. my spirit, my spent year in a wreck anyway. next, of those burn pits comeback stage 4 glioblastoma. his recent france d-day. and about those heroes. tide and went to the

world war. 2 senators one should choose to go team's 4 star general. and he told me should do want to go in there because you're much losing sectors. my son was no reason was not a separate u soccer. you're losing president trump. for some of made up quotes appears in news is they made it up. it was undefeated. red magazine is failing. like many of these magazines. >> he made that up. he put it in commercials. we've notified them. we had 19 people that said it didn't and think of who would at a cemetery or i'm talking about our veterans because nobody is taking better job. so glad this came up and he brought it up. there's nobody taken better care of our soldiers that i had think that i would in front of generals and others say suckers and losers. we have 19 people that said it was never said by me, it was made up by him just like russia, russia. russia was made up just like the 51 intelligence agents are made up just like the new thing

with the 16 economists are talking same thing. 51 intelligence agency said that the laptop was russian disinformation. it wasn't. that came from the son hunter. it wasn't russia, disinformation. he made up the suckers and losers so should apologize to be right now. >> will star general changes shines on your staff. you said you said period. that's number one. and number 2, the idea, andy and i have to apologize to you for anything long gone. we've done more for veterans trez. you has american history and then our their family and we should get out gate we have. is your country is to care for. veterans may come home and their families and quick and then they go to war. that's what we're doing. that to the va doing now in doing more for veterans ever before in history. >> all right. thank you so much. let's move to the top of the foreign policy. l want to begin with russia's war against ukraine, which is now in its 3rd year. former president trump russian

president vladimir putin says he'll only and this war if russia keeps the ukrainian territory, it has already claimed and ukraine abandons its bid to join nato. putin's terms acceptable first of all. >> our veterans and our soldiers can stand is. they can stand they think is the worst commander-in-chief of that's what you call them. that we've ever had taken standing. so let's get that straight. and they like me more than just about any of them. and that's based on every single bit of information as far as russia and ukraine. if we had a real president, the president that knew that was respected by putin. he would have never he would have never invaded ukraine. a lot of people are dead right now. much more than people know. you know, they talk about numbers. you can double. those numbers may be triple those numbers. he did nothing to stop it. in fact, i think he encouraged russia going in at tell you what happened. he was so bad with afghanistan. it was such a

horrible, embarrassed, most embarrassing moment in the history of our country that when putin watch that any so the incompetence that he should he should have fired those generals like i fired the one that you mentioned. and so he's got no love lost, but he should have fired those shows. no general that fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. afghanistan. when we left billions of dollars of equipment behind, we lost 18 beautiful soldiers and 38 soldiers were obliterated. and by the way, we left people behind 2, we left american citizens be had. saw that, he said, you know what? i think we're going to go in and maybe take my this is his dream. i talked to him about his room. the difference is he never would have invaded. you never just like israel would have never been invaded. in a million years by hamas. you know why? because iran was broke with me. i would let anybody do business with them. they ran out of money. they were broke that no money for hamas. they had no money

anything. no money for that's why you had no, tara at all during my administration, this place, the whole world is blowing up under him. has it >> you know who she i came home vision, situation where taken last week, first. and attacked american troops has been playing damage numbers change. he did about he was crazy, the tent, he said you just haven't had he didn't do anything. and that had to patients want and the 2 we've had over 100,000 americans and out have to use doing it in number shooting shows in situation where if you take a look at trump didn't up. to told do whatever you want to do it every you want. and that's exactly trump did.

encourage and do whatever you want anyone and listen to what he said. we to take kiev in 5 days. you member. he's part of the old soviet union. and judy wanted reestablish kiev. and he, in fact, didn't do it all. he didn't win able to get it done and they've lost over it, lost thousands and thousands troops, 592 president for for one minute. i just want to go back to my original question, which is these terms acceptable to you keeping that and you no, they're not acceptable. >> this is a war that never should started. if we had a leader in this war, he let everybody along. he's given 200 billion dollars now or more. to ukraine. he's given 200 billion dollars. that's lot of money. i don't think there's ever been anything like it every time that zelenskyy comes to this country walks 60 billion dollars. he's a great salesman ever and i'm not knocking him. i'm not knocking anything. i'm only saying he's the money that we're spending on this

war and we shouldn't be spending. it should have never happened. i will have that war settle between putin and zelenskyy as president-elect. before i take office on january. 20th i have that were settled. people being killed so needlessly. so stupidly and i will get it settled and i'll get it settled fast before i take office. and then when you fact is you had dozen were coming. he's thousands and thousands of people. and he has made one clear. he wants to re-establish part of the soviet empire. not just a patient wants all of ukraine. that's what he wants. and then you think stop there. >> you stop when should grant, what do you think happens to pull what you did today, happens to those nato countries. and if you want to war, you find out what he's going to do because actually does what he he walks away. by

the way, all that money we could ukrainian remake. you in the united states given the weapons at the money this point and then and nato allies reduce as f%nding ukraine. and we have a that's why i urge members strong. >> thank you. moving on to the middle east in october, hamas attacked israel, killing more than 2000 people and taking hundreds of hostages among those held in thought to still be alive are 5 americans. israel's response has killed thousands of palestinians and created a humanitarian crisis in gaza. president biden. you put forward a proposal to resolve this conflict. but so far, hamas has not released their remaining hostages in israel is continuing its military offensive in gaza. so what additional leverage will you use to get hamas and israel to end the war? you have 2 minutes and wounded. >> and should using an

security council straight through the g 7 to the israelis unit themselves have endorsed a plan to put forward endorsed a candidate before she change too. first changes. changed. has she's she can change the cease-fire with additional conditions chain issues, though, end of the war, only watch word continues for months. and want pushing to get convictions? you need to we champion israel was trying to anything add to is, you know, 2000 pound bombs. don't work. they want to pop while you see people providing newsroom on the weapons you need when they need. the way. and the guy organized world against him and when they have a full-blown, you can almost used attack on israel. no one israeli was actually only

kill. and it's just we shaved is, you know, we are support means you anyone in world and 2 different things. most and i continue. we continue to dark speech change. people even get a and we did bin laden. you don't have to do by the way it did haiti. we can come maybe we can should should be limited. but you've got to be careful you should weapons population change. he's going back to financial incentive. we have ocean separating us the european nations together. have spent 100 billion or maybe more than that less than >> why doesn't he call them sea? got to put up the money like i did with nato. i got them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars. the secretary-general of nato said trump that the most incredible job of of the scene. he wouldn't they wouldn't have any. they were going out of business. we're spending almost 100% of the money was

it was a he didn't do that. he's going you got to ask these people to put up the money over 100 billion dollars more spent and it has a bigger impact on them because of location because we have a motion in between. he got to stars israel and and hamas is the one that good. he said the only one wants to keep some actually israel is the one and you should let it go and let him finish the job. he doesn't want to do it. he's become like a palestinian, but they don't like him because he's a very bad publicity. he's a weak one. >> president biden, you have a minute and then a huge mushroom. should should get out of meeting. you can needing. he's up idea that we our students marched along to you as well. you may be a big avoid war europe. a major one. you. >> what happens if you can't? you had up to go into a new name. even article 5 degree heat. heck, i wanted attack on

all. i want to start a nuclear war. he keeps talking about. go ahead putting in control ukraine and then move on to pain medications had he has no idea what talking by the way, got 50 other nations around the world to support ukraine, including japan and south he's changed it's kind dislocation has his shoes to make to the whole world peace. major or your everything can be contained just to you. >> president trump just to follow up. would you support the creation of an independent palestinian state in order to achieve peace in the region and have to see. but before we do that. >> the problem we have is that we spend all the money so they kill us and trade. made great trade deals with the european nations because if you add them up there about the same size economically, their economy is about the same size as the united states. and they were written, no cars. no, they don't want anything that

we have that was supposed to take their cars, their food, their everything. they're agriculture. >> i changed but the big thing that changes, they want to pay. and the only reason that he can play games with nato is because i got them to put up hundreds of billions of said and he's right about this. i said no, i'm not going to support nato if you don't pay. they asked me the question. would you guard against russia at a very secret meeting of the 28 states at that time nation's at that time, they said no, if you don't pay, i want to do that. and you know what happened? billions and billions of dollars came flowing in the next day and the next months. but now we're in the same position with paying every bank details. >> let's turn to the issue of democracy. a former president trump. i want to ask you about 1/6/2021, after you rally your supporters that day, some of them stormed the capitol to stop the constitutionally mandated counting of electoral votes. as president, you swore an oath to, quote, preserve,

protect and defend, unquote. the constitution. what do you say to voters who believe that you violated that through your actions and inaction on january 6 and worry that you'll do it again. one of the committee believe that. and let me tell about january 6 on january 6, we had a great border. nobody coming through very issue. >> on january 6, we're energy independent and january 6, we had the lowest taxes ever. we have the lowest regulations ever on january 6, we respected all over the world all over the world. we respected and then he comes in and we're now left that we're like a bunch of stupid people that what happened to the united states, his reputation under this man's leadership? is horrible, including weaponization, which i'm at some point you'll be talking about where he goes after his political opponent because you can't beat them fair and square. >> you have 80 seconds left. my question was what do you say to those voters who believe that you vital violating your through your actions and inaction on

january 6, 2021? and worried that you do it again. well, i didn't say that to anybody. i said peacefully. and patriotically and nancy pelosi, if you just watch the news from 2 days ago on tape to her daughter who's a document fee. make a hit. they say. but you're saying, oh, no, it's my responsibility. i was responsible for this because it offered a 10,000 soldiers are national guard and she turned him down in the mayor of in writing, by the way, the mayor in writing chanted and the mayor of d c. the i also tend because i could see i had virtually nothing to do the s p to go make a speech. i could what was happening. everybody saying they're going to be there in january 6 are going to be there. and i said, you know what? there's a lot of people coming. you could feel it. you could feel it, too. and you could feel it. and i said they had to have some national guard or whatever. and they offer to do and she now admits that she turned it down and it was the same day

she was not. he can be very happy with the do it because it made her into a liar. she said i take full responsibility for january 6th. president biden. >> he encourages in the room. i said in a dining room off the oval office, she said first 3 hours, 3 hours watching ad engaged and his vice president his colleagues, republican change. you know, to do called restraint to indy. instead he talked talk tradition great, peter. you know that he can't he's she's young enough give them from what they convicted. he says he wants community, and they he went courtney nation and scores case concluded supreme court. they should and should not his k his cause. use possible doing what he's everything to do a thing and

these people should be in jail and should want held accountable. he wants to them all and now he says can too. why do you into blood that thank you. president biden, president trump. they've done to some people that are so innocent. >> you ought to be ashamed of yourself. what you have done, how you've destroyed the lives of so many people when they ripped down portland when they ripped down many other cities, you go to minnesota, minneapolis, but they've done there with the fires all over the city of it and bring in the national guard. that city would have been destroyed. when you look at all of that. they took over big chunks of seattle. i was all set to bring in the national guard. they heard that they saw them coming in. they left immediately. what he said about this whole subject is so off peacefully page, a one of the thing. and select committee which is basically 2 horrible republicans. general

gun now out of office and democrats. will democrats. they destroyed and deleted all of the information they found because they found out we were right. we were right and they deleted and destroyed all of the information. they should go to jail for that republican did that. they go to thank you. president trump, president biden, want to give you a minute. >> only changed convicted channels. looking and the catch to the net he's his point is to use connect to sect whose was actually, he stop was going >> capitol and all those cheap. every one of those you convicted shows to be convicted. idea that didn't kill somebody hits and broke down doors occupied officers turned over dish. >> shooting over statues. idea that people are treat each national you to we had the division first time around and

should do next? the cowboys. he should them stand idea he's issues you and we denounce these cash. you know, the people we're talking about now people that happened. you can do. >> i'm going give you minute. president trump for a follow-up question. i after a jury convicted you of 34 felonies last month. you said if reelected, you would, quote, have every right to go after unquote your political opponents. you just talked about members of the select committee on january 6 going to jail. your main political standing on stage with you tonight. can you clarify exactly what it means about you feel you have every right to go after your political opponents? i said my retribution is going to be success. we're going make this country successfully again because right now it's a failing nation. >> my retribution is going to be success. but when he talks about a convicted felon, his son is a convicted felon at a very high level. his son is convicted going to be convicted, probably numerous

other times should have been convicted before, but his justice department let the statute limitations laps and the most important things. but he could be a convicted felon soon as he gets out his job could be a convicted felon with all of the things that he's he's done horrible things. all of the death cause that they the border telling the ukrainian people we're going to want to begin dollars. you change the prosecutor. otherwise you're not getting a billion dollars of. i haven't said that. that's quid pro quo. we're not do anything. we're not going to give you a billion dollars unless you change you prosecute having to do with the sun. this man is a criminal. this man, you're lucky. you're lucky. i did nothing wrong. we do have a system that was rigged in discussing. i did nothing thank you. president trump, president biden, you have coming right to you, sir. what you want to respond. go ahead give you a minute to respond. >> yeah, i d. and i did anything wrong. relatives which you told is outrageous. it should like everyone. too,

that you have a right to seek retribution against any manatee just because you can he's wrong shipping roanoke that he spoke place my issues so we can do under to you are charge. think most of the paintings how many do is molesting women public. we're doing a whole range change. have you section of points on the night way pregnant. would talking can move uk. you and in section of the point, one. >> number 2, that was a case that we started and moved. they high ranking official, a doj into the manhattan da's office to start that case. case is going to be appealed and won. we had a terrible judgment, horrible judge, democrat. he prosecuted were all high ranking democrats appointed people and the both

the civil and a criminal. he basically went after his political opponent because he thought was going damage me. but when the public found out about these cases because they understand it better than he does, he has no idea what these cases are. but what he did when they found out about these cases, you know that it my poll numbers went up way up. you know that because you're reporting it. and we took in more money in the last 2 weeks than we've ever taken in in the history of of any campaign. don't think any campaign has ever taken. hundreds of millions of dollars came pouring in because the public knows it's a scam and it's a guy that after his political opponent is you can't win. fair and square. thank you. president trump, president biden, you have said, quote, donald trump and his maga republicans. >> are determined to destroy american democracy. do you believe that the tens of millions of americans who are likely to vote for president trump will be voting against american democracy. >> more know about what does dan? yes, more than you know what his team and if not more

to me, he's got a lot of cases around the coming he's he's got a whole range issues. yes, to finish. and what did you usually andrew problem. and so the fact he could you ever think and then she quit to bush. if does use shaving, i action. good can involved running shift mission added that anywhere because of the way i wouldn't run again. point happy charlottesville, virginia. people coming out of the woods care and head torches torches and and she she management he's that in germany and went to any young woman, mother and she had asked to mission what what do you think of those people? people who want when you try stop the one who should i do to find people in most times contention whenever not just

coming out of shields can torches soon. she mentioned carrying swastikas for people you guys she done good things. and you know what they continues down that you sky motions and president trump. jake, both of you know that she's been totally. >> what because when you see the sentence, it said 100% exoneration. so he just keeps it going. he says he ran because charlotte's faded red because it shows he ran because it was his last chance it he's not equipped to be president. you know it and i know just ridiculous. we have a debate. we're trying to justify his presidency. his presidency without question the worst president, the worst presidency in the history of our country. we should be having a debate about it. there's nothing to debate. he made up the charlottesville story and you'll see it's the bump over the place. every anchor has every reasonable actor has debunked it. and

just the other day it came out where we slowly a debunked. it's a nonsense story. he knows that and he didn't run because it shows really use that as an excuse to >> present about in debunk it happened. all you have to do is listen to what we at the time and the idea that somehow that's only reason i and because as we're detailing just cause you thought and get people coming out of that on. kerry knows which can use torches and he didn't deserve to be pressing here to cause all. idea he's talking about all speech advocate you saw there as you what happened in jenin. we use all the people breaking in people occupied his vice president. but his reason why. >> 40 of his 44 top capping off shoes portion used as as you towards tuesday. why did you know we show with don't you? >> thank you. president biden.

we're going to be right back with more from the cnn presidential debate.

>> welcome back to cnn presidential debate live from georgia. >> let's talk about persistent challenges you both faced in your first terms and you certainly face again in the second term, president biden,

while black unemployment dropped to a record low under your presidency, black families still earn far less. then white families. black mothers are still 3 times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes and black americans are imprisoned at 5 times. the rate of white americans. what do you say to black voters who are disappointed? but you haven't made more progress. he now lives in a lot of transmission change and that is you more small. black is >> and he started a tent history and the 2 just black employees, los home spending long, time. number find a trial saying how's your and and do you need show nation just he's quickly. he's completed missions. you keen to keep people out of did issue that the impact

>> choice. in relative to can you can't? we did the major piece legislation that passed. i was able reduce child care continue hash and make sure plan change issue because when find child care protections, don't as many people can be any job there's more to be gained. continue mourning today. can agree too soon it, you know, and they know. >> you have 49 seconds left. what do you say to black voters who are disappointed with the progress so far he pleased to be disappointing. inflation hurried. example provides for idea action 10 mobile today to cause attacks pay to be able to buy you can

catch to and made sure that situation all those black changing light conditions. >> had to do student loans have and you think can gaze, you know, a having to do using bills to 10, huge and to all of us should giving it to 10 mean it's big and then do a whole lot more black change. thank you. president trump. and he cause inflation. he's spending inflation. >> and he's right. he's been very bad. he caused the inflation and it's killing black families and hispanic families in just about everybody. it's killing people. they can't buy groceries anymore. they can't. you look at the cost of food words, double and tripled and quadrupled. they can't live and not living anymore. he causes inflation. i gave him a country with no, essentially no inflation. it was perfect

was so good. only have to do is leave it alone. he destroyed it with his green new scam. and all of all this money that's being thrown out the window. he caused inflation as sure as you're sitting there. fact is that his big kill on the black people is the millions of people that he's allowed to come in through the border that taken black jobs. now and it could be 18. it could be 19 and even 20 million people get taking black jobs and they're taking hispanic jobs and you haven't seen it yet, but you're going to see something that's going to be the worst in our history. thank you. president biden. who was doing haitian. >> when i became friends, you know why you can use flat on its back 50% unemployment. he detonated economy. actually desmet economy was no change at the time. we know jobs. it provides thousands in need to street indigenous. all communities, including minority communities. made sure that health insurers, we

have coverage the aca is up and made sure $8,000 per person in family to give off health care it just kind want to meet in a cafe. 50 he wants community aca again. >> and you can anything. understood position need to. we put more police the street and then you need shun. has he wants to cut providing equity equity, making sure people haven't shot to make. is a lot going in situation he crossed to she's an to the way and of the pandemic. thank you. another persistent challenge is the climate crisis. >> 2023 was the hottest year in recorded history and communities across the country are confronting the devastating effects of extreme heat intensifying wildfires, stronger hurricanes and rising sea levels. former president trump, you've vowed to end

your opponents, climate initiatives, but will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis? let me just go back to what he said about the place, how close the police say to him. almost every police group in the nation from every state. >> is supporting donald j. trump almost every police and what he's done to the black population is horrible, including the fact that 10 years he call them super predators weekend in the 19 as we can't forget that super predators was his name and he called the tone for 10 and they've taken great offense at and now they see it happening. but when they see what i did to criminal justice reform and for the historically black colleges and universities where i founded them and got them all funded and the opportunity zones with with him. as you know, tim scott was incredibly did a great job. great senator from south carolina. he came to me with the idea. it was a great idea is one of the most successful economic development ever in the country. opportunity zones

and the biggest beneficiary are blacks. and that's why we have the best campus with that in maybe ever this saying ever read this morning where ever the best numbers. he's lost, much of the black population because he's not a horrible job for black people. he's also done a horrible job for hispanics. but way you see these millions of people pouring into our country and they're going to take the jobs and it's already started. and you haven't seen anything yet. it's a disaster. if. >> 38 seconds left, president trump, will you take any action as president to slow the climate crisis? so i want absolutely immaculate clean water. >> and i want absolutely to clean air and we had it. we had h 2, 0, we had the best numbers ever and we did. we're using all forms of energy or farms. everything. and yet during my 4 years i had the best environmental numbers ever and my top environmental

people gave me that statistic. just before i walked on the stage action. >> and you really the it. he says, too, and most states was 62 point change mission in history history. anderson colleges him a position to do to ensure each piece you start like universities and colleges because they don't don't have to come contribute they had laboratories he blacks escape on college. you do anyways can do. he does have the money to now to be able to get things jobson, research mission where the idea that claiming to have done so have clean this one. claims dance. of the parish priest. corey, covid haim

immediately joined his if we want which to be schnell anyone are just no way that humanity is climate change and he didn't do a thing about it. he wants undo all that. i've done. the paris accord was going to cause a 6 million dollars. >> and china, nothing and russian nothing and indian nothing. it was a rip-off of the united states and i ended it because i didn't want to waste that money because they treat is hardly. we were the only ones who is costing us money. nobody else was paying into it and it wasn't. it was a disaster. everything that he said just now i give you an example of should be for insulin. i'm the one that got the insulin down for the seniors. i took care of the seniors. what he's doing is destroying all of our medical programs because the migrants coming in. they want everybody. and look, i have the i have the biggest heart in the stage. a guarantee of that. and i want to take care of people, but we're destroying our country that taking over our schools, our hospitals, and they're going to be taking over social security. he is destroying

social security, medicare and medicaid. >> idea is we've only would stick, we're we're not members parish court. how can we do anything? we the united states can't control with a large pollution world. number making significant at 23 point, we will to shoot we've made significant and continue to make prime should have included thousands young people learn how just like peace have moving 2 directions. it is going change causes pollution if the idea and he claims it. he is the biggest heart of communities really concerned about to lucia newman about climate and see any by the way, if you you

would company agreed that they would reduce the price to $35. you charge tone for on tune and made sure every company in the world, every pharmaceutical company can have to thank and by the way, >> so every day millions of americans struggle just to make ends meet for many older americans. social security provides a critical lifeline. president biden, if nothing is done to social security, seniors will see their benefits cut in just over 10 years. will you name tonight? one specific staff that you're willing to take to keep social security solvent? yes, is wealthy begin to pay tuition right >> everybody making $170,000 6% varian patient, every single time to get a paycheck and the one to get 18 years old. idea and that proposing everybody, a payment. there's a one percent. one person

after not raise cost anybody under $40,000 after day to get to make the pay their increase you from one percent able carry to the probation >> so you still have 82 seconds left. are there any other measures that you think that would be able to help keep social security solvent or is just is that 1, of them that have enough keep yourself give us you can. you defeat to spain because he wants to give security. he thinks there's plenty to come. security when it comes security and if you look at grant which would house republican caucus, she porch is you can't point okay, we don't need to protect if you take we take. by the there public catch to health care coverage today than ever before. >> and the issues they should

chance 400,000 people 40 minute, people not have insurance because if you just you and change his and they had play aca. and by the way, the other thing we should mention we're talk about education. communities have raged. number amount of money should program age and cast anybody making should $1000. you may be able $50,000 2 you just don't know. just, you thank you present about president trump. >> so i've dealt with politicians all my life. i've been on this side of the equation for the last 8 years. i've never seen anybody like this game. he lies a diverse. and if he can look in the face that, so many other things, too. and we mentioned the laptop. we mentioned, russia, russia, russia, ukraine, ukraine, ukraine, everything he does is a lie. it's

misinformation and disinformation. losers and suckers so that he made up. it's a total lie in the military. it's a disgrace. it's social security. he's destroying it because millions of people pouring into our country and they're putting him on just social security that putting them on to medicare, medicaid. putting him in our hospitals to taking the place of our citizens. what they're doing to the va to our veterans is unbelievable. veterans are living in the street and these people are living in luxury hotels. he doesn't know what he's doing and it's really coming back. i've never seen such in our country before. >> yeah, i do that to june that the 2 change before. by way, when should step moves you should he is after the cease-fire. channing eternal. god because he's wanted if that's what you should. he was launched a new when he said and one member to idea that we're going to be situation

all these millions and millions talks as you come to country and taking away jobs reason why we have insurance is going to the world. reason why we have what can the world we do that any other nation in the world and by the way, shifty, nobel laureate. she talked of cheney, shifty nobel laureate, economist said, and it's to let like and the session. say going up, she go by the way, we're stretching his 215 and presidential scholars voted him the worst as you used to station. >> president, i thank you so much. let's turn to the cost of childcare, which many american families struggle to afford president trump. both you and president biden have tried to address this issue. the average cost of child care in this country has risen to more than $11,000 a year per child for many families. the cost of child care for 2 children is more than their ranch in your second term.

what would you do to make childcare more affordable? >> it just seemed the general side because he was no good. and if you said that, that's why he made it up. but we have 19 people that said i didn't say it and they're very highly respected, much more so that the other thing is. his entire people. he never people. i've never but i did find a lot makers whose no good. i tried a lot of the top people at the fbi drained the swamp. there were no good. that if our people get pay a price that, they would know that i inherited these people. i didn't put him that. it would come me that he was no good. i fired him. this guy's a fight. anybody he never finished. he should have fired every military man that was involved with that afghan, horror show the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country. didn't fire due fire. anybody. did you fire anybody that's on the border that's allowed us to have the worst quarter in the history of the world. did anybody get fired for allowing

18 million people? many from prisons? many from. >> some mental institutions. did you fire anybody that allowed our country to be destroyed? joe? our country is being destroyed as you and i sit up here and waste a lot of time in this debate. this shouldn't be a debate. he's the worst president. he just said about me because they said but look, he's the worst president the history of our country. destroyed our country. now, all of this said he's trying to get a little tougher. the border you come out, came out with the nothing, nothing deal and reduced it a little bit. little bit like this much. it's insignificant. he wants open borders. he want your country to either be destroyed or he wants to pick up those people as voters. and i don't think we just can't let it happen if he we just election our country doesn't have a chance. not even a chance of coming out of this we probably won't have a country left anymore. that's how bad it is. he is the worst in history by

president from president biden. she admired country the world. >> united states there's nothing beyond capacity that define u.s. military world funds in history of the world. no one thinks knowing went to school nobody and the one number 2, the idea and we're talking about we're stretch. i wasn't joking. look it 115 e 58 a home in the exact 2 sessions storage and had to the voted who's the worst president in american history. one through best to worst and should he was the worst all american history. effect. that's not it's not a junction. you can argue wrong with that. a that he is you're going to do anything to do with child care. did very for bush and nephew to chalk. should significantly increase the child care tax credit. he should typically increase availability covid you should

parents should be able to go back to work and we should encourage businesses to hold to have taken place president trump. the question was about what would you do to make childcare more affordable? if you want to take a minute just understand. we have polling, we have other things that do. they read him the worst because what he's done is so and they raped me. we've got to show you. i wish and then maybe one of the best. okay. >> and if i'm given another 4 years, i will be the best. i think i'll be the best nobody's ever created. economy like us. nobody ever cut taxes like us. he's the only one and they want raise your taxes by 4 times. he wants to raise everybody's taxes by 4 times. he wants the trump tax cuts to expire. so everybody including the 2 of you are going to pay 4 to 5 times. nobody had heard of this before. all my life. i grow up. and as the politicians talking about cutting taxes when we cut taxes, as i said, we did more business, apple all these companies, they were bringing money back into our the worst

president in history by far and everybody knows it. >> president he looks at matter is that he's dead wrong about. he's in christian's can heat up. she will increase taxes on middle class people that and they're raising taxes anybody making less than and didn't just to sure everything communicate. you know kind stay going cost the average american $2,500 a year more because you have to pay the difference teen andrew to he's in a situation where he talks about how he not raised he's huge. he's somehow help middle because of the devastated anyone in new tax cut of 5 to $2 over the next 10 which is going to fundamentally bankrupt the country the largest deficit many. transamerica. history. number number 2, you have not, in

fact, made any contact any any, any progress, which we are the lows trade deficit with china since 2010. thank you, reza, you want to make president. let's into discussion epidemic impacting millions of americans. the both of you have made a top priority in your first term, the opioid crisis. and for both of you. >> the number of overdose deaths in this country has gone up under your term when up under your term. it has gone up. former president trump despite the efforts of both of you have made more than 100,000 americans are dying from overdoses every year, primarily from fentanyl and other opioids. what will you do to help americans right now in the throes of addiction who are struggling to get the treatment they need. to finish up. >> we now have the largest deficit in the history of our country. and to this we have the largest deficit with china. he gets paid by chinese a manchurian candidate. he gets money from china. we have. so i think he's afraid to do with something. but you

notice you never took out my tears because we bring in so much money with the tariffs imposed china. he never took them away, can't because it's too much money. it's tremendous and we saved a steal and issues and there was more to come. but he hasn't done that. but he hasn't cut the because he can't because it's too much money. but he's got the largest deficit in the of our country and he's got the worst. it's the worst situation with china. china is going on us. if you keep allowing them to do what they're doing to us as a country, they are killing us as a country. joe, and you can't let that happen. you're destroying our country to president trump. you have 67 seconds left. the question was what are you going to do to help americans in the throes of addiction right now who are struggling to get the treatment they jake, we're doing very well and addiction until the covid came along. we had the 2 and a half almost 3 years of like nobody's ever had before. any country in every way. >> and then we had to get tough and it was the drugs pouring across the border.

wear it. it started doing this. we've got great equipment. we put the shooting dog. that's the most incredible thing that you've ever seen. the way they can spot we did a lot and we had we were getting very low numbers, very, very low numbers that he came along. >> the numbers, have you seen the numbers now? it's not only the 18 million people that i believe is even low because got a ways they don't even talk about getaways. but the numbers of the the amount of drugs and human trafficking in women. coming across a blow to the worst thing i've ever seen at numbers that nobody's ever seen under him because the border so bad. but the the number of drugs coming across the border now is is the largest we've ever had by president trump. thank you. president biden. >> she no. and by price, you we don't and i want to make sure we using machine you can detach. big machines or roll over and he comes across the board and it costs a lot of money and was part of this

two-week atk to bipartisan more signal machines more morning, be able to catch more members you know, agents, more numbers all board had he when he called republican colleagues who don't do it can hurt committee that he never argue just not a good it's a really big we need sheen's you need those machines are coming down very hard every country in asia. in terms fentanyl and mexico's working with to make sure have the technology people put it together that we have to do. we need those machines. >> thank you. president biden president trump. and again, the question is about americans in the throes of addiction right now struggling to get the treatment they cause is to spur tended to. he ended remain in mexico. he ended catch and release. i made a catch or lease in mexico not catch and release here. >> we had so many things that we had done hard negotiations

with mexico into got it all for nothing. it's just like when you have a hostage released a 6 billion dollars for have every time reaches a hostage. now we have a hostage. the wall street journal reporter. i think a good guy and he's over there because putin is laughing at this probably asking billions of dollars for the report i will have him out very quickly as soon as i take office before i take office, i said by literally as soon as i win the election, i will have that report are out. he should have about a long time ago. but putin's probably asking billions and billions of dollars because this guy patient every time we had 2 cases where page 6 billion dollars for 5 people. i got 58 people at and i paid essentially nothing. thank you. president trump down. >> let's turn to concerns that voters have about each of you. president biden, you would be 86 at the end of your second term. how do you address concerns about your capability

to handle the tough this job in the world well into 80's. >> first all, could be the youngest commission politicians. the second youngest ever elected station. and then, you know, just his cocaine. i think just took a direct look. what i have to do around harvest situation, you left he 50 million new jobs, vision, 2008 actually or investing over dog dollars. you traveling this tries you. we're even the way, we put off a lot and the whole idea of computer chips, percent, the we had very things change. we lost cause. he was sending people to chief is jobs overseas do have a which and could be champs to billions of dollars who change and guess

take-home 18 ttt to do stands today over $100,000. you need a college degree for and already been invested right now in the united states crude. should, if you can, jobs for americans, all of from all over the world. >> president biden, you have 40 seconds left. would you like that and think? yeah, i would. yeah, i do that. we his family it would cause you talk like we did the right me a single 2 things. would take issue the station all our problems. you 2 with the most aggression can to the getting teased storms continue world country in the world to keep word and everybody trusts change. all of our and off those who he comes not can

genuinely of those 2 they don't want to this. thank >> former president trump to follow up. you would be 82 at the end of your second term. what do you say to voters who have concerns about your capabilities to surge? well, i to test cognitive tests. i age done both of them. as you we've made it public. he took none. i'd like to see him take one. just want a really easy one. >> like go through the first 5 questions. you couldn't do it. but i took to cognitive tests. i took his ago exams every year. and, you we knock on wood wherever we may have would that i'm in very good health. i just 2 club championships, not even senior to regular championship. do that. you have to be quite smart and you have to be able to hit the ball a long way and i do it. he doesn't do it. he can hit a ball 50. it challenged me to a golf match. he can hit a ball 50 yards. i think i'm in very good shape. i feel is in good shape as i winced 25 30 years actually have probably a little bit lighter. but i'm as good a

shape as i years ago. i feel very good. i feel the same. but i took i was willing to take a cognitive test and, you know, divide into why a stem. doctor, ronny jackson, great guy when he was white house to act and that i took another one, a similar one. and both one of them said they've never seen anybody. a son. thank you. president biden. >> you can see 20 vision which it's ships for way that just to way she's when he you can be happy to have a mean, i got my handicapped racially and by the and to one had kickoff. if you carry this. you begin just 6 and a cup of i was a to camp

she i had you we've seen this way. i know you president trump are questioning let's not act like children. >> you know, it pick concern that voters have about you. will you pledge tonight that once all legal challenges have been exhausted, that you will accept. >> the results of this election, regardless of who wins and you will say right now that political violence in any form is unacceptable. >> well, i shouldn't have to say that. but of course, i believe that it's totally unacceptable. and if you would see my statements that are made on twitter at the time and also my statement that i made in the rose garden you it says one of the strongest, a pinch of a scene. in addition to the speech i made in front of, i believe the largest crowd i've ever spoken to. and i will tell you, nobody ever talks about that. they talk about a relatively small number of people that went to the capitol and in many cases were ushered in by the police. and as nancy pelosi said, it was her responsibility, not mine. she said that loud and clear, but the answer if the

election is fair free and i want that more than anybody. and i'll tell you something. i wish he was a great president because i wouldn't be here right now at be. and one of my many places enjoying myself. i wouldn't be under indictment would have been his point. you opponent because he invited me because i was up on it. i would. she was a great president. i would rather have that. i wouldn't be here. i don't mind being here. the only reason i'm here is you so bad as a president that i'm going to make america great again. we're going to make america great again. we're failing nation right now. we're seriously failing nation and were shilling nation because of him. his policies are so his military policies are insane. their insane. he's the wars that will never end with him. he will drive us into world war 3, closer to world war. 3, then anybody can imagine. we are very, very close to world war 3 and he's

driving us there. and kim jong-un and president xi of china, kim jong-il north korea, all of these cute they don't respect him. they don't cheer him. they have nothing going with this gentleman and he's going to drive us into world war. 3. >> you want the world to that follow. and when it comes do what you want me to do, just do what you want. she told article 5, it happened in one of the tech and all the quieter yeah, i and i can't think of single major of the 2 in the world would take with the job with 18. because we confirmation of wonderful case because of the people need because people anything. they stepped up when you need and right we needed we needed to protect the world because, you change is the state. and again, you want to have war, just want go and take ensuring

a move she what happens in poland, hungary, in other cases along that border and you have a war. >> president trump has it come back to you for a follow-up. the question was, will you accept the results of this election? regardless of who wins? >> just to finish what he said, if i might. russia. it took a lot of land from bush. they took a lot of land from obama and biden. they took no land. nothing from trump. nothing he knew not to do it. to play games with me. he knew that i got along with him very well. but he knew not to play games. he took nothing from me. and now he's going to take the whole thing from this man right here. that's a war that should never started. it would have never started ever and he's going to take ukraine and giving us a question before. would you do this he's got us in such a good position right now with ukraine and russia. because ukraine's at winning

that war, he said i will never settle until such time. they're running out of people that are running out of soldiers that lost so many people. it's so sad. they've lost so many people. they've lost gorgeous cities with the golden domes that or 1000 years old, all because of him and stupid decisions. >> russia would have never attacked. >> address, the question was will you accept the results of the election? regardless of who wins? yes or no, please. >> if it's a share and legal and good election, absolutely. i would have much rather excepted these, but the the fraud and everything else was rediculous said, if you want will have a news conference on it in a week. i will have another one of the zone in a week. i will. absolutely there's nothing i'd rather do. it would be much easier for me to do that. then i'm running again. i wasn't really going to run. july. saw the horrible job. you did. he's destroying our country. i would be very happy to be someplace else and

a nice location someplace. and again, no indictments, no political opponents stuff because it's the only way he thinks he can win. but unfortunately, it's driven up by numbers and driven of up to a very high level because the people understand it. he issues, you know, was huge election is over. see you you lost your firsthand. you sure you continue due to which all across the country, shingle court any >> shade and you hit 80 state or local you continue his lie about others. all this representation on the there's no evidence today all and it do we do? expect because you're such a idea. if you lose again, you except you kids to the lawsuit inspect a law smashed. we'll be right back. >> with more from the cnn

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>> it is now time for the candidates to deliver their closing statements as pre determined by a coin toss. we're going to begin with you. president biden, you have 2 minutes. >> we've made significant progress. and the debacle was left. as you his last shaded

shows situation where number we have to make we have a church and she ask anyone out there, you know, huge. and the one watching should texas year. fact it nobody making $40,000 a single penny increase in your taxes will not i if you think case but he's kind as you finish your taxes because the deficit and his increased inflation because the debacle he left after, we handle the pandemic any for himself his issue where he now wants to tax you more if to pursue turf and you can state senate. >> why did we to get away you if we really a duty of medicare 2 study of who, you know, she ate her patients and it's one of counties. well,

guess what? got you know, townies 15 $35 $400. no more than $2000 for every she didn't matter what how they with that the deuce effective 160 billion dollars over 10 because the government dictate your mutations and make it available to everyone. she along happening and everybody's going want bring we have an engagement. we have child should increased people have childcare and make sure we do something about how we doing page. all things can in health people across the country with continued fight to bring down inflation and give people a break. thank you. president biden, president trump, you know, have 2 minutes for your closing statement. like so many politicians. this man is just a complaining.

>> he said we want to do this. we want to do that. we want to get rid of this tax. that tax. but isn't doing. i think he doesn't do. all does is make our country and safe by allowing millions and millions of people to pour in military doesn't respect him. we look like fools in we didn't stop. israel was such a horrible thing that would have never happened. should have never happened. iran was broke. anybody that did business with iran, including china, they couldn't do business with the united past redwoods broke that no money for hamas hizbullah that area. no money whatsoever. again, ukraine should have never happened. he talks about all the stuff that didn't do it for 3 and a half years were living in. we have the palestinians and we have everybody else writing all over the place. you talk about charlottesville. this is 100 times charlottesville 1000 times whole country is exploding because the u because they don't respect you and they have to respect the president and they do respect you throughout the world. what

we did was incredible. we read that rebuilt the we've got the largest tax cut in history, the largest regulation cut in history. the reason he's got jobs is because i cut the regulations that gave jobs. but he's putting a lot of those regulations back on all of the things that we've done. nobody's ever it never seen anything that even from a medical standpoint rated right where we can try space age materials instead of going to asia. >> we're going to europe in trying to get when you're terminally ill now you can go and you can get something. you sign a document. they've been trying to get it for 42 years. but you know what we did to the military was incredible choice for our soldiers were soldiers instead of waiting for 3 months to see a doctor can go out and get themselves sick, stop and read up and take care of themselves and their living. and that's why had the highest approval rating in the history of the v a so all of these things were failing nation, but it's not going to failing anymore. we're going make it great again. >> thank you. former president trump, president biden. stay

with us because we have full analysis of this debate. anderson cooper and erin burnett starts now on cnn. >> how everybody thank you for joining us. i'm catherine heenan. well, we just wrapped up the first presidential debate of the season between former president trump, president joe biden. this thing was building's history making was the first time we had a former president and the president sharing of state. all right. let's introduce our panel. donna crane, don, is political science lecturer at san jose state university. welcome donna. uc berkeley, a political science professor, steve fish. steve has a new book out. it is called come back and joining us. i hope he's there by zoom. tom del beccaro. hey, tom, can we see you? the fort there? can see. former chairman of the state republican party and tom has a new book called the lessons >> of the american civilization. all right.

>> what did the candidates need to prove tonight? did they do anything to help or hurt themselves? i think i know some of the answers. but, donna, you begin. >> i think a president biden the media narrative that he is old and maybe not in command of. he doesn't have a commanding presence and perhaps not even a full command of material. and that came out of the gate pretty early. will let people listen in a minute. what do you think, steve? i would largely agree with her. >> catherine biden, it was really incumbent upon biden tonight to show the kind of vigor, the kind of a mental acuity that would allay these these concerns about his age. he could have done so by really being on the attack against trump rather than just allowing trump's attacks, then falling back and defensive positions he could have done so by, you really articulating his positions, appearing to be a stronger leader than trump is and then said he really didn't use largely defensive during the bait. i don't think biden did what you need to do

tonight to allay the concerns about his age. all right. and tom del beccaro, what do you think? >> i agree with them. and i'd like to point out that much to my disappointment. i didn't think either candidate talked enough about the future. they talking about each but each other doesn't change gas prices. each other doesn't change the board. so it was a confrontation between 2 people when we know that elections are about the future and biden came into this down 4 points in the new york times that's correct. i don't think he did anything to change that time and however, he's the incumbent. the knock out the champion indy's a boxing analogy. and so what did we see from trump tonight? i know a lot of supporters will be happy, but at the end of the day, you win elections by

giving people a road map to the future. and i did not see that enough on other you know, that's interesting. time you and i talked about the state of the >> a union and joe biden back then everyone was will be held together. will we be ok? and he came on strong. i think most people agree to did a good job when you're reading specifically what biden looked like sounded like tonight. >> you know, find very much by the kennedy. a makes an election where people on the radio thought nixon did better than what they saw person because nixon was sweating and jfk is one of the was at. i think the turn the sound off and looked at the 2 people and just the expressions on biden's face throughout this and fact that he kept looking out where there was no audience to his advisors on things. i think didn't come off looking good and pictures

matter in these type of things. he also got completely lost. several said that it's not like trump answered every question biden didn't either. but i thought many missed opportunities for these candidates. all right. and again, the democrats, of course, we knew this going in were talking everybody now. >> i want to joe biden to be spry to be a mentally sharp. they wanted, of course, to ease the perception. he is too old for the job. but it as you guys know, just about 11 minutes into the debate when biden first faltered let's hear a little bit of that. >> didn't read without his debt be able help make sure you all those we need to do. channel, can you can sure that we continue to see change health condition, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what i've been able do can could be dealing with. mean, we have to do we

finally be medicare? thank you. president. >> yeah, that kind of tough to watch our steve, panicking a little tonight not. i think democrats are very concerned over biden's performance tonight. again, this was his chance to basically show that he's not >> incapable of holding the presidency by virtue of age or unfit to do so. and there's so many ways in which he could have really been proactive in on the attack. the child tax credit came up. childcare did biden's done a magnificent job with policy on this is child tax credit lifted more children out of poverty than under any other presidential administration in history. and not only did he not really mentioned that, but he didn't attack trump for not answering that question at all. trump is loyal to putin. trump is on pooch inside and biden could have made a very big deal of that. questions came up about ukraine, trump shill for for putin's invasion of ukraine. again, he's put inside ever

since 2016 biden did not take advantage it. many instances tonight where biden could have gone on the attack and then showed the shot the spotlight on himself and all the great things that he had done as well. he failed consistently to do that in a convincing way. alright, and as we know and as you know, donna, the president has had a hard time selling his record. his achievements. >> including the economy. americans really aren't buying it. so did he blow chance tonight, too, make that more clear to you know, if i were working for president biden, i would not recommend that he spend a lot of time trying to sell his record on the economy. you can sort of >> convince people to feel something different than what they feel. but i do think he missed some other really big opportunities. it was dismaying as a professional. it was dismaying to sit and watch some of these really easy swings. just go right by, for example, the position that president trump, former

president trump has taken on abortion on roe v wade is very deeply unpopular nationwide. even in red states, joe biden is sort of famously averse to talking about abortion. but issue has actually reached topics like in vitro fertilization. totally consensus positions. and he managed to carmel that answer as well. so i think he missed many opportunities. we could talk about offense defense, but i'm thinking about even frankly, just basic good, perfect, good debate performance. you almost wonder if they're excited about the fact there's another debate looming in september. i'm certainly a tough to watch, you on both counts. tom do, but car or the democrats. a little panicked. >> also like to add my prior comments, 9, 1, of the single time, the whole a good point that that is f rating. i know. i know i people watching this that support beam at that

separating folks. not the number one job is to come off as likable and appear presidential. people like people who smile a troubled by i don't look, the democrat party has to fishers right now. one of severe vision on policy related to israel and official online. and i don't think he i know what i'm one of those resolve tonight for goes all. >> all right. donna crane, you said a minute ago that you think the format did not work. what did you mean? yeah, i give enough to the format. okay. you have 2 highly skilled moderators there. >> who did absolutely no moderating. we could have just handed the the candidates questions on 3 by 5 cards and center, jake tapper and dana bash home. i mean, i i don't know why they were there we could have had a robot simply monitor the microphones. there

was no moderation. there was no fact checking. there was no no stepping in and saying, nope, that statement is false. here is the factual accuracy of the followings issue. no. and then pressing maybe for answers. instead, they just they were just extremely passive. and i didn't think it was effective at all. i'm alarmed by the amount of dis-information that came out of this debate tonight. you know, to donna's point, i think one of the biggest problems was that they didn't. >> they didn't ever stop the candidates and steer them back to answering the question time and again, when trump get a got a question you didn't want to deal with. he just go back to the previous question. he did this time and time again. a strong moderator would have intervened after of now 10 to 15 seconds of set you, mister president. this was the question. would you please address that question? that's what moderators are there to do. the fact checking would have been nice. but let's say on let's say on the spot they couldn't do that. they should have at least done what i just mentioned. i do like a couple things about this format, though. first of all, not having a studio audience is

great. the the applause in the in the previous debates is really distracting. and what's more they have the mikes off. i'm the candidate whose turn it was not to speak. and i think that was a good thing as well. but definitely i agree with donna and i really think the moderator should have done much more moderate. i was a little surprised. i had heard some discussion there would not necessarily be fact checking. so we kind of knew that might be coming. but yeah, it was like a time when you think. >> well, i don't like to fact component, but i agree that there wasn't enough. look, when i do beating kamala harris, the moderators there said he didn't answer the question. please answer the question about the stop. and that was done several times in this case. but i agree i'm not enough's. i look, i like it when there's the audience said, you know, it turns it

into using last letter we know form. >> format. and so i don't think it adds to i thought the questioning was not particularly by stephen significant way or another >> but i doing a but problem with the moderators is i would like more questions about. on this issue. tell me 3 things that you are going to i think you have to debate should be about that. but unfortunately have to debate was defend yourself in my view. >> yeah. what the audience get out of it. you know, we were talking earlier about who are the undecideds of what do they want to hear? and, you know, people talk about some people talked about it as a you'll get train wreck audience. people hoping that something would blow up or that the candidate they don't like would blow it. but what if anything, do you think tunnel go back to you just to switch

the order what the audience get out of this. >> you again. presidential day. you want to come off likable and presidential. no smiles didn't help either. i don't think biden looks presidential at this stage. i thought trump started out better in the 1st half about talking about issues. but i don't think he finished talking about i think towards the end. it just was against you're you're against me. kind thing. so thought this was a missed opportunity. my understanding is on social media. the chatter remains about >> biden and and whether he's for the job. >> yeah, that might what what sticks. but stay anything. i think, you know, this debate was watched by such a large audience, including a lot of people who normally don't engage in politics. >> and i think what many would have come away with again,

remember, styling presentation matter at least as much as substance in these things. you know, what biden need to do tonight is come off looking optimistic, self-assured in command and he dug. he did none of those things. i really think. first of all, he did not seem a command. his answers for the most part, we're meandering. the often times it was it seemed almost to be mumbling. you could tell kind of had something to say, but he didn't seem to know how to get it out. any needed to seem a command of of trump and optimistic. he should have been on the on the attack aggressively claiming credit for his accomplishments, but also presenting this kind of notion about this rising america under his command, you know, leading the world every now and then he would say something fact it was one good moment of in the debate redid this when he talked about are second to none military and our big economy. he should have done that. the entire debate. he didn't create the notion of himself as commander great rising nation, which is the incumbents job on the other hand, trump really

didn't do himself all that much. all the money favors as well. during the first 20 minutes or so, katherine, he was remarkably articulate by trump standard. i the first 20 minutes just simply went to trump after that, especially in the last half hour or so. he was just back to blathering. same thing. again. the immigrants are coming in to destroy our country. joe biden is the worst president history on the best present district. oh, did i mention the migrants are coming into the store in the country staying in luxury hotels and and, you know, our veterans are living on the did i mention bidens were spread? the usual trump staff which didn't do him all that much. good. but i'll say, you know, he didn't seem weak. he didn't seem like he was, you know, use it's the same old trump. we always know. i think people who look at biden for years ago or even one or 2 years ago. and compared to tonight would notice a difference in terms what you know, just how with it he seems to be. i think that that really placed bidens disadvantage. people watching tonight voters in general are looking for 3 things from debate >> they're looking for new information. they're looking a

conclusion in their own mind about who is more in command of their space and of material. content and they're looking for who's most relay double to me. i don't think they got any of those those 3 tonight. i think what they got instead is probably a confirmation bias. they probably got, you know, more information that proved what they already believed going in. and it was later in the debate. the trump a little more later in the debate. >> he was making a big claim sometimes rather and strange claims, including the fact that he would be able to and the war in ukraine. before he officially took office, if if he's elected, let's hear that. >> and we shouldn't be spending. it should have never happened. i will have that war settle between putin and zelenskyy as president elect before i take office on january. have that were settled. >> i mean, what what do we make of that? but will this

cook claims are patently and again, i. >> for me, that was that was more just more evidence that we needed a better debate format. he's not sticking to the questions that he's making absurd claims with no material underneath it. >> for sure. a patently absurd claim. but again, biden didn't take advantage. he could have moved immediately and said not only says that the craziest thing i've ever heard, which is kind of what he said. but this guy endorses the so-called chinese plan. sesion pings plan for for the cut for ending the conflict in ukraine, which is basically giving all of putins conquered territories to him. put trump has been relentlessly on cute inside only man in the world who's never criticized. only person in the world is never criticize. this was biden's chance to again tether trump to uproot right. he didn't do it again. a blown chance to go on the offensive and make a

point about trump's patriotism and contrasts with biden's own superior patriotism. tom del beccaro. what you think? >> well, don't >> patriotism is a winning issue. irvine at this particular stage, i continue to look on social media and it appears that insiders among democrats higher concern. and remember going into the bay, there was a dynamic and how would what is that dynamic after the debate? i agree that there was no new information. they didn't talk about the future. i but i think most people watching is make debate to watch >> i think >> trump is a known quantity was within bounds of his quantity. although don't think

he was as bad is to from a 2020. keep in mind, a lot of people only watch the for about half an hour and by and getting lost 11 minutes in it. was i think in the end will recoverable for him. i i don't think he picks up in the polls. dynamic stays the same and the democrats are divided over his past a nomination anytime. we've only got about a minute. but let me ask you this. we know in the spin room, everybody is a winner. i don't know, but tonight, but that's generally the ammo. >> you might be more plugged and then we are. what's the republican? >> reaction to trump. are you seeing any of that? >> well, look, usual his base more so anyone, even more than reagan. and maybe that's a function the light feistiness that he sometimes brings and they don't openly criticize

them and much sunshine getting in trouble among them tonight by saying reach for more. but he's on nation is in and and really this debate was about biden's nomination so you know, they could say trump who the next lines, even the end of the day it's fighting still hasn't missed >> all right. a boy that flu by quickly. this wraps up coverage of the debate here on kron 4, but we're going to continue our discussion on kron-on after a break. >> so stay with us. cannot.

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