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[chanting closed racket >> gillian: a present of major university resigns and two weathers under fire calling for the of jews violates code of conduct, correct. >> it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the context. the answer is yes. >> gillian: politicians on both sides of the aisle are outraged. >> you can't unsee it when you see it. those haunt you. the image that you could ever see on a human screen. >> gillian: women rights staying silent over hamas terrorist used a weapon of war against the women. >> do we believe the person who said that it is forbidden or do we believe the women whose bodies tell us how they spent the last minutes of their lives? >> we will discuss the plan across the country but with south carolina republican nancy needs. president biden signals he's ready to make a deal with

republicans on the border. this in order to get millions of aid dollars to his role in ukraine. we sit down with the defense minister paul johnson with his take on the wars and bid to -- and former president trump scheduled to take the stand on monday. this has president biden son indicted for a second time. we will send a panel held legal wells shaping the race for the white house. plus, virginia's lieutenant governor winston earl sears expanding the republican tent. >> they say to the g.o.p., you do not see any vote. you must go after every vote. >> gillian: all right now on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> gillian: hello fox news from washington the u.s. is facing major pushback from other nations two days after a resolution that called for

immediate cease-fire in gaza. that resolution was backed by nearly every security council member country and came after u.n. warnings of humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip. they grounded operations health. here at home, meanwhile the splintering over support for israel most pointedly across college campuses. the university of pennsylvania liz magill stepped down after response of a congressional hearing sparked fiery public backlash this week. she declined to say the students would call for jewish to be disciplined. over on capitol hill senate republicans told the president supplemental funding bill which includes hundreds of millions of aid dollars for israel and ukraine demanding instead to secure the u.s. or southern border first. congresswoman nancy mace joins us live in the studio but we began first with fox team coverage with lucas tomlinson at the white house with the fallout from the president's testimony.

first we go to trey yingst with israel with the war in gaza, hi, tres. >> trey: jerry lin, good morning israeli forces hit 250 different targets overnight as the work enters its tenth week. behind me black smoke billowed from the skyline in the neighborhood and the aftermath of the air strikes and operational intensity is expected to last for at least another month according to officials familiar after arresting many in gaza, authorities expect to gather new intelligence to help them go after hamas leadership in southern gaza. the raw file will be the focus for the ground forces in the cog weeks. the death toll in the strip continues to rise and stand 17,000 people according to the hamas ran ministry. war draws international condemnation with countries like jordan and qatar with immediate cease-fire.

the security council members voted friday to call for a truce before the resolution was vetoed by the united states. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu responded saying this. >> although country should also understand that it is impossible on the one hand to support the elimination of hamas and on the other hand, to call for an end to the war. this will prevent the elimination of hamas. >> well international focus remains on gaza, there is continued fire from southern lebanon. the lebanese group hezbollah targeting northern israel earlier today, gillian. >> gillian: trey yingst reporting from israel this morning, thank you, trey. the white house reaction to congressional testimony on anti-semitism this week, hi, lucas. >> lucas: . >> lucas: jolynn after major donor to pull $100 million donation and 37 members of congress called her resignation, the president of the university of pennsylvania has stepped dow.

>> liz magill voluntarily tendered her resignation according to a letter released by the school's board of trustees late saturday afternoon. pressure had been mounting on liz magill after testified with three other elite university presidents before a house panel where they were grilled by lawmakers, including republican congress one elise stefanik. >> at penn does the of yes or no? >> it can be depending on the context. >> the white house responded with the contentious testimony. >> calls for genocide are unacceptable. it is vital in counter to everything this country stands for. >> liz magill walked back her comments following capitol hill. >> i was not focused on but i should've been. the irrefutable facts the call for genocide of jewish people as a call for the most terrible

violence human beings can betray. >> days later, she is out of a job. following her resignation with elise stefanik releasing the statement, "one town, two to go and only pervasive rock of anti-semitism that has destroyed prestigious higher institutions in america." this forced resignation of penn is the bare minimum of what is required. >> she will remain at the university as a tenured faculty member. the chairman of the board of trustees announced resignation also resigned a short time later, gillian. >> gillian: lucas tomlinson reporting from the white house, thank you. joining us in washington is south carolina's congresswoman nancy mace, thank you for being with us early on a sunday morning. >> nancy: good to see you. >> gillian: let's talk about the scorch of anti-semitism on u.s. campuses. that lay bare that lucas -- so

now that liz magill is out, what else needs to be done? >> nancy: in the college president in this country who cannot condemn anti-semitism or jewish, they need to resign or be fired. there ought to be consequences for that because the reality is, israel is the only country in the world that is literally at risk of real genocide. that is what we are talking about here. it is disgusting, shameful, and it shouldn't be happening on college campuses. >> gillian: i want to ask you about this as well, israel has now produced over 1500 pieces of evidence that show hamas sexually assaulted women and girls on october 7th. a lot of women's groups prepare to care deeply about protecting women and have stayed largely silent, take a look at this. >> where is the solidarity for women in this country and in this world to stand up for mothers, sisters, and her daughters? >> we call upon the entire human

to formally condemn hamas for these raped. >> we must respond to sexual violence wherever it happens with absolute condemnation. >> gillian: do you agree? >> nancy: absolutely. but where are the women, the women groups fighting for women around the world who have been dead silent on this issue? i look at my colleagues in the house, where are they? representative chaya powell her excuses next week, we know that hamas in the battle plan was to go in and systematically rape, mutilate, and murder of these israeli women? i'm a survivor of rape, but the difference is i survived. many of these israeli women didn't. and they were mutilated, murdered while it was happening. i can't think of anything more shameful to see these women's groups, women on the left, women in the house. my colleagues on the left who refuse to say what this is,

which is shameful, disgusted, barbaric and we ought to condemn it from every corner of our country, every woman should be condemning this. i think it is shameful. >> gillian: what about the human, u.n. women called out for not taking a stand? the secretary general himself, 55 days to address the atrocities? and when he did so it came in a tweet. >> nancy: we see this evidence and so many with videos of women naked, come in all the stories of the evidence of wit and says that collecting the bodies of israeli women and i can't think of anything more barbaric. it goes to show some people in this world who are still animals. that is what hamas is. >> gillian: turning our attention to the u.s. we saw a record number setting migrants on the southern border over the past week, half a million people came into the country illegally since just october 1st. fox news was on the scene in louisville arizona. take a listen to this.

>> where in the united states do you want to go? >> california. >> new york city. >> new york. [speaking non-english language] >> omaha, nebraska. >> oklahoma? >> nancy: it is not just a crisis for u.s. border states anymore, is a question mark >> nancy: no, and look this is evidence of documentation that every town is now a border town in this country and south a i represent small towns but just two years ago, we were arrg people from ms-13 gang. this is happening all across the country. it is a major issue for every american whether republican or democrat. it doesn't seem like anyone on the left wants to have a resolution. the amendment to bring up for security in ukraine, everyone is like, "no, we cannot do that at all." who want to give more resources,

assets, to support other peoples borders except our own appear to be see terrorist age men come across the border in record numbers. with everyone else coming across literally breaking our economy. >> gillian: quickly do you think the caucus will come to some kind of compromise agreement with president biden on the issue to push legislation forward, his supplemental spending question mike >> nancy: we will see chuck schumer has headquarters responsibility for weeks but hasn't done anything with it. i don't think the left is serious about border security. that is to their detriment we have a plan and we are willing to go forward but they don't seem to want to. >> gillian: want to turn to politics, former house speaker governor kevin mccarthy will step down at the end of the year. you were one of the handful of republicans who voted against him. this leaves your party now going forward potentially with just a majority at the end of the year are you concerned about that? >> nancy: i think it shows, too, this was not about the people of the country, the

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>> we have seen the presidents of some of the most elite universities literally unable to denounce calling for the genocide of jews as anti-semitic. a lack of moral clarity is simply unacceptable! be one right, that was second gentleman second gentleman doug inhofe condemning the u.s. president for the testimony this week. it is time for our sunday group. let's bring in olivia beavers, political congressional reporter, juan williams fox news senior political analyst, michael allen, former bush national security official, and

katie pavlich townhall.com editor, great to see you. katie, liz magill is resenting as president of upenn come up at the comes only after very intense public backlash over the last couple of days as well as costing the university at least $100 million in donations that we know of publicly so far. >> katie: as she was resigning of president of the university, she will be staying as professor at the law school. so she hasn't had full consequences for what has happened here. she should no longer be in a leadership position, but this comes down to a problem that we are seeing that will not be resolved simply by university presidents resigning. it is a good start, but there is a deeply embedded problem of anti-semitism on college campuses across the country, whether the faculty or teaching the students about this kind of ideology that is rearing its head on the university's. the problem that they run into mostly with the testimony they gave was these universities

with extensive ham policies about nonharassment. they apply that to a lot of different groups except for jewish students. that is inherently -- it is discrimination against students in violation of the rights on campus. they have to do top-down review of why this anti-semitism is so deeply embedded inside of the schools appear they have to make sure that the roles they already have in place are applied equally to all students, including jewish students. >> gillian: to katie's point, liz magill has 10-year professorship with the university income work there the rest of her career. the president of mit and harvard remain in place as well. what can be done? >> juan: i don't think they are anti-semitism if that is what you are suggesting that they are bigots. i think they spoke badly into my mind, what you saw in the congressional testimony was a failure to help themselves and failure to speak with doug emhoff said in the program, they failed to express moral clarity

that genocide is wrong. >> gillian: to a quick point, juan, the jewish people on campus spoke out and said a failure to protect us after expressing for months that we fill unsafe at the school where we pay tuition. >> juan: to get back to my point, i think it was dumb. it was down to say, "oh, yes, i'm standing behind the constitution and free speech and free speech on campus where people want to have academic debates and freedom of speech." i think all of us on this panel would say, yes, the first amendment allows all americans to speak freely, even if i engage in hate speech. but it is calling for genocide. you have to express right then, that is outrageous and wrong! that is where they failed to appear they were hiding behind the constitution. to me, it is not good -- this is an important point i think -- it's not good for the best schools in america to be

subjected to the whims of congress are rich donors. they should have said for themselves, "our values suggest not only with regard to some of these groups that katie was talking about, and i suspect you are talking about women, blacks, latinos, and arab americans, muslims but also for jewish students that we will protect you. this is wrong." you can't hope for the genocide of people. >> gillian: do you get the sense, livia, any of the three presidents on this stand two days ago believe that that it is morally reprehensible to call for jewish genocide? >> olivia: that is the line they were trying to walk. we believe these comments are bad but the argument you saw and went viral with congresswoman elise stefanik with harvard president, she was saying we only take action when we think this turns into some sort of actual conduct peer that can be considered harassment. elise stefanik responded back,

"genocide is wrong and should be punished." that is where you saw the class. it is part of a broader issue schools have had of trying to walk this line of whether free speech and keeping the students safe. i think we have seen from the backlash that the presidents are basically admitting they did not do a good job missing the priority should be keeping them safe. >> gillian: the sentiment, also, michael, goes hand-in-hand intense pushback from the left from the president support for israel and the ongoing gaza war. take a listen to congresswoman rashida tlaib. >> president biden i say this over and over again because i hope you hear me. you must listen to the voices of the majority of americans. in the majority of democrats who work there butrt to get you elected. you have to represent all of us, mr. president, not just some. call for a cease-fire now. >> gillian: is that true,

michael? is the president required to take into consideration while political calculations when making decisions which parties to back in foreign wars? >> michael: of course not. we need to decide and advocate for what is in america's interest. of course, israel is a long-standing ally of the united states. they are trying to uproot terrorism. what biden should be doing now is continuing to give cover to the israelis so that they can finish the job. by the way, i think in the coming weeks, there will be a shift of fighting from major combat operations to something more over the horizon, like drones, special operations raids peer that may take some of the political pressure off of these israelis. but i think it is the job of the president of the united states to stand by israel as they try to go about this business. >> gillian: to that point, michael, overnight iranian proxy groups want two more attacks

against israeli forces and a blockade against israel at sea, the red sea. is that a major escalation in your estimation? >> michael: they are funded by a more or less controlled by the iranians who like to have proxy groups to pressure israel and frankly the united states across the region. they are trying to up the pressure on us. it is mystifying that the biden administration won't do more to deter these attacks by taking serious action and strikes against some of these proxy groups. one of these days, one of these missiles will get through and hit a ship or one of these rockets is going to get onto al-assad airbase and blow up a dining hall and there will be hell to pay. they should demand leadership more action to protect american soldiers overseas. >> juan: i think the question here for me, michael, what if president biden was to call for a cease-fire? i think most americans support

israel, but i also think a cease-fire might be a good thing when you see these pictures of gaza being absolutely devastated. but i think if he calls for a cease-fire in the israelis says no, the united states loses its ability to shape that next phase that you were discussing. we want this not to be a continuous tender box that is going to explode into a world war. the united states wants to shape something that could establish peace might deal with some kind. >> gillian: but katie, what is to stop president biden calling for hamas to release the hostages and emphasizing that are calling on hamas to cease and desist ground operations targeting israel? >> katie: a cease-fire allow hamas to win. arguably, the reason why hamas was able to carry out attacks october 7th is because the israelis have engaged in cease-fire's for basically two decades with this terrorist group. you saw it in 2014 and two years ago and the summer of 2021. it repeatedly said that it could

manage this problem that hamas doesn't really want to carry out their objectives of the charter, which is to destroy the state of israel. israel has to witness this cycle of terrorism. it will be better for israel and the united states of america, and it will make the world a better place. the israeli defense forces have done everything they possibly can to mitigate humanitarian problem. they have allowed a to comment even though hamas has stolen that aid to their advantage and given to the terrorist fighters appear they have to finish this, where we will be right back here according to the leaders of hamas, hiding in qatar and of course it suffering with their own people. >> gillian: we have to leave it there for a moment. the u.s. tying signing this new military agreement with sweden this week. coming up, shannon sits down with defense minister to discuss that plus the bid to join nato. we will also take a look at brand-new poles map g.o.p. locals could potentially unseat president biden and we will see if it is time for hitting the

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♪ ♪ >> gillian: welcome back, the u.s. and sweden signed a new defense pact as the scandinavian countries in the brink of

joining nato peer defense secretary lloyd austin encounter were met at the pentagon to sign the paperwork. it will allow all military base across sweden and hedge against vladimir putin's regime as war in ukraine rages on pure chain and spoke with the defense minister at the national defense form in california before he came to d.c. to ink that deal. >> shannon: first and foremost, the conversation involving sweetness about interest into nato. it looks like objections from turkey have fallen away but you wait for the formalities of that. how critical is that for you to join nato? >> i think it is critical for sweden and security to be covered by article 5 and native defense but important for alliance because we have assets and capabilities that can make nato stronger. we also want to be to be integrated into nato plants. plans. give sweden come of course, easier to defend. we can provide that alliance can

particle can be used for a staging in an area to make it stronger. >> shannon: you said you were not surprised what vladimir putin has done with response to ukraine. part of the objections was the growth of nato. now, it seems that the turn of events may have been he has forced more nations into that very important all i always sayh membership, the mother of all unintended consequences for russian thinking. russia did not see sweden or finland would join the alliance and this was not planned, of course, that is a consequence. this war has been a political and military disaster for vladimir putin. >> shannon: you are having conversations with aid to ukraine and finding that. what is the sense among the swedish people about continuing forward with that aid in the level of what you are doing? >> that is a great point, to support ukraine. i would say the support of ukraine is the right thing to do and also the smart thing to do because when we are supporting ukraine, we are also investing

into our own security. putin would win this war, would we would have much bigger problems in political and suppoo this is about investing into our own security as well. >> shannon: what are your long-term fears about putin come about potentially spreading into a nato country, which would then come obviously, trigger article 5 and different obligations for members? >> i think you have to be aware russia has a great appetite for taking political and military risk. they will state they will reconstitute their own forces and try to build an even stronger armed forces than they have before the war. we have to be aware of that. the best way to do that is, of course, joining nato which is great for the terrorist defense of the whole alliance. but also investing into our own armed forces. we must double our defense expenditures in five years. we will do more as well and making ourselves stronger. that is key for us.

>> shannon: what is the sense in the region about where putin goes next? do you think there is a settlement in which he at any point where the ukrainians fight back the land they have lost quite mark there is a diplomatic supplement but what do you see the finish line for the complex? >> there is only one country to decide that and that is ukrainian safety. they want to retain the whole territory. they want to stop negotiating, that is up to them here they would not be a decision about the recant don't like ukrainian. ukrainian armed forces are doing something difficult, they are going into the mine fields mines. i understand that it is hard and difficult for them, but they have the determination. if they don't have war fatigue, we cannot have war fatigue. >> shannon: we are here as we are talking at the reagan national defense forum and we talk about alliances, leadership and international rule of law. where would you ssbr this moment in history with all of these

various conflicts and real challenges for people who are a? >> sure, this is difficult times. challenges to rule of law. let me say that sweden, joining nato is about rule of law because before the war broke out in december, then prime minister with legally binding treaty saying sweden and finland will not be allowed with nato stating sweden and finland would block russian influence. that is totally unacceptable. we are a sovereign country and will make decisions how to join nato and of course, good dialogue with nato allies. i think now, there are a lot of challenges right now of course in the middle east what is happening in the pacific with much more assertive china. and of course, in ukraine. but at the same time, the west has never been as united as we are right now as far as the u.n. nato u.s. never cooperated closer together. and i think very inspiring

leadership in ukraine defense contact group. we should build on this unit t that is very strong in the west. >> shannon: you mentioned china and influence showing up globally in all kinds of ways. what is the mood in sweden with respect to china to your particular china u.s. and influence in the region? >> it changed enormously in this decade. if you have opinion polls ten years ago, sweden would have rather favorable with china but now much more rare, where china is throwing its weight around. in the pacific, we are cognizant of the risk for unintended consequences that we are having for direct investment into the infrastructure. an established new laws and regulations for that as well. because we don't want to be in a situation where you are dependent on other countries when it comes to your functionality or your national security. >> shannon: that is a conversation we are having in the u.s. as well. thank you for your time.

>> thank you. >> gillian: thank you, shannon. we are back with a panel and michael picking up on national security threat everyone on capitol hill are going about border security. republicans saying president biden more concerned with securing ukraine and israel's national borders than he is here own looking at the u.s. southern border. >> michael: yes, well, a good nation, great nation like the united states can do two things at once. there are plenty of substantive reasons for democrats to be for immigration reform and immigration for you ukraine. the role politics, the president is underwater on just about everything from a special immigration. he should want to get a deal with the republicans and borrowed the republican street cred and i think it would help him electorally. by the same token, republicans in the house can't be seen or shouldn't want to be seen as selling out ukraine. ukraine needs us. we can't hand vladimir putin a

victory. at the end of the day, bargain hard for immigration reform but at the end of the day, the united states needs to be there for ukraine. it is good politics also. >> gillian: kd, we are bargaining hard holding back the present supplemental funding bill for ukraine and israel over this issue. but with 535,000 migrant encounters along the southern border in the last two months, as they were in the amount of money that will solve the border crisis at this point? >> katie: speaking to the office border security is national security and the president as ignore this issue and asking for more money to simply manage this flow of unprecedented numbers, 12,000 a day at this point. we want to stop the flow of illegal immigration and raise the bar on asylum so we have less fraud coming into the country. that is what they are arguing and making the white house make this choice. we put this as part of the national security package because it is national security issue. the fbi director said lawmakers

this week on capitol hill that linking everywhere. when you have republican senators as well, lindsey graham a staunch proponent of ukraine and is related, saying, "we need border security as well because this will affect people in this country." there is a huge threat, that is something the white house should be able to get on board with of stopping this problem, not simply managing with more money and more processing. >> gillian: there are other blinking red lights. juan, a pull from "the wall street journal," take a look at this trump dominating the other republican contenders in the primary. interesting in a general, take a look at this, he gets 47% compared to 43% for president biden. desantis went head-to-head in a general would come in and tied at 45% each. this is the most surprising to me, nikki haley comes out on top in a head-to-head against president biden. she gets 51%. he comes out with 34%.

what surprises you in there? >> juan: it is bad for biden. i think it's getting away from the idea americans at the moment are looking at biden and saying, "we have some real problems here." if you are inside the biden campaign, the messages election is 11 months away. this is not going to be 2024, a referendum on joe biden peer there are billions. this will be an expensive spend on ads during the campaign. what they will do is make it a choice with election and remind voters about abortion. they will remind voters about trump this week and told sean hannity he will be a dictator on day one, right? >> gillian: but only for the one day. >> juan: one day come okay. there will be a lot of argument about exactly what you are getting with trump that now is not in the discussion. right now if you look at the polls, it says for example, trump is beating biden. trump is at 37%.

if that is his base, the question is what is his max? a lot of democrats say it is below 50%. if it is below 50%, joe biden has a lot of room to grow. >> gillian: all right, to that point, olivia, spoilers on both sides, trump will be in the stands tomorrow, monday. that undoubtedly will have some impact on voting blocks somewhere. also, president biden son, hunter biden and tied it yet again for the second time facing nine different charges. how are these things in a campaign? >> one of the things that is interesting and going back to the polls that i thought was interesting, they found a felony conviction for trump would actually put biden slightly ahead with the version of errors. the one he's taking desantis civil case, expected to argue how trump would argue, which as he had a vision and understand more than basically the money that had been projected appeared

he was approved by the banks. with hunter biden, it is a different case, also where it comes at a very bad time for joe biden. the president is down in the polls and basically to be hit with nine new charges than we have seen before that as a new weight where he has struggled to answer for it. i think we are going to see both campaigns dealing with these illegal issues moving forward. >> gillian: juan to the hunter biden nearly to pay $1.5 million or $1.45 million and years will be a policy conundrum for his father. president biden being a president who has dozens may be hundreds of times since the campaign advocated for wealthy americans to pay their fair share. how can he support his son and still advocate for that? >> juan: i would say let's throw the book at all of that tax cheats. i think lose trillions every

year according to the government. >> gillian: but the president said specifically about his son he never did anything wrong. he has not said that about other millionaires and billionaires. >> juan: right, but i think that is his son. his son, very much acting indiscretion on the sunday show and not talking about the indictment against hunter biden because it is pretty, pretty awful in terms of his behavior. so, i think that is the man's son who has had drug problems, sex addiction problems and loss the sun in a war appear that as a family issue but in terms of the policy you are talking about, i think, dillion, let's t the tax cheats, the irs and the republicans don't want to get the irs money to grant tax cheats, go after that tax cheats and a hunter biden if he didn't pay his taxes. >> gillian: in terms of being a family problem, the president is connected to whistle-blowers in congress is summer and not allowed to investigate the

connection they believe that joe biden i had to these tax evasion charges. where the money came from. so, that certainly will be a problem for him on the campaign trail. we one panel, we have to leave it there. thank you so much. we will see you next sunday coming up next he made history when virginia voters elected the first women o color. and now facing speculation she may run for governor. and since down with her next, shannon will sit down with her next to figure out where she's going. >> you must go after every vote. i did not know that i was conservative until i heard a message. raymond james financial advisor gets to know you, your passions, and the way you give back.

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♪ ♪ >> gillian: welcome back. she became the first black woman in the first nationally's female citizen and female veteran to statewide office in virginia. back in august, she released a book "how sweet it is to defend the american dream." shannon sat down with lieutenant governor in the state capital of richmond and it is today sunday special. >> shannon: you have the most fascinating life story. in the book we get the details

but you talk about coming from jamaica six years old with immigrants and this country but did you ever think you would join the race which you were not a citizen when you did that going to be a business owner but what was your thought about coming here as a youngster from another country? >> of course it starts with my dad and it was his vision for a better life where he can restart his life actually. he only came with $1.75. if you really want to put it into something you can picture, seven quarters. how do you start your life seven quarters as stranger in nd and e height of the civil rights movement just what, 17 days before dr. king gave his "i have a dream" speech as a black man. first of all, you beg to get into the country. with his vision come of course it led to my coming. he came and stabilized himself and now here i am.

i'm not even first generation american. i am still the little girl who came off of the lane, the pan-american plane. >> shannon: i remember those days. through that you started to build a life and i remember you saying you felt like the education system here was weaker than compared to what you were experiencing the academic challenges in jamaica. but what was your assessment where we are as a contrary on education and something you are fighting for, charter schools and other opportunities? >> winsome: education is what led lifted my father out of poverty after his $1.75. he took a job and started his career and now comfortably retired. i have to find my own way in the world appeared so education is what did it for me. education did it for all of us. that is why it is so hard for education. without an education you will get there very fast. we see it in the statistics coming out. our children are not learning peer that is why we are saying,

let's do all of the above. when the slaves were getting their freedom, three things they want to come up first their freedom, yes, than their families reunited. then they wanted their education. you think about it right after the civil war, 1865, maybe 20 or so years later, maybe just 20 years. you see we have black wall street right here in richmond was the first black wall street. then we had oklahoma here and how did they do it? as black people, just a little bit remote from slavery. it was education. in fact, that is why the master did not want the slaves to read and write because they could write their own ticket to freedom. let this man free. and then they can go off. that is why you have to push for education. i say public schools, charter schools, all of the above and private school, home school. do you know that black parents are the fastest-growing segment

of homeschoolers question market is all of the above. i will not stand in the way of any parent who wants whatever it is for their child when it comes to education especially. >> shannon: you talk about your own journey as an immigrant to this country but that of black americans as well. some people expecting you to hold this mental if you are black, conservative, to be a spokesperson for that particular viewpoint. you said you think the g.o.p. needs to do a better job of reaching all people, including different voting blocs and backgrounds of people who may not think that they actually have a lot in common with conservatives. speed theory yes. >> shannon: and people not giving you a good name with black voters. where do you think the g.o.p. is on that spectrum? >> winsome: what i really consider is -- and i say to the g.o.p. is, you do not seat any vote. you must go after every vote. i did not know that i was conservative until i heard a message. and then i realized, wait a

minute, what i believe and how i am thinking about certain political parties don't ring true. so, that is why you are seeing now, more black voters and latino voters, asian voters, immigrants, they are considering the g.o.p. as a possibility. there is a -- well, i am for lower taxes. i am poor, for example, not just a certain type of education but education for all. i'm not for quotas. i'm for the right to work. i want to keep my money is much of it in my pocket that i work for, you know? there are certain things that are conservative in nature. we just don't know that we are that way. and by the way, not trying to get all people to be republicans. i'm just saying we need political parties to leave us alone. and we will do what we want to do. about we don't need political saviors.

>> shannon: you've talked to the g.o.p. field that is fine for the nomination of 2024. they are really beating each other up. you would like to see less of that. you have openly talked about president trump and you don't think it is good for him to run again but it looks like at this moment unless something changes he will be the g.o.p. nominee. what does that mean for the country more broadly, the country if he is a question mark >> winsome: i am considering again i cannot support president biden. as a marine in the way he pulled us out of afghanistan and so many marine blood was spilled there, sailors, soldiers. inflation is killing us. i was at the grocery store the other day. last week, in fact, and bought a few things. the sales clerk said, "$40" appeared $40, what did i buy? i can see she had been through this before and i paid the money and walked off. inflation is killing us. so we have tried to do a few things different in virginia with the gas tax and the state portion getting rid of it so

people would have more money. the billions we have returned to the taxpayers here in virginia. we would like to do more of that. so, i couldn't vote for the president biden. but if the same time, you can't call people vermin. you can say that they are evil. you can say that they are divisive, some other things, but you can't call them vermin appeared i'm a christian for us to be anything else. and i don't want to be a stumbling block to anyone. and so, the apostle paul said, he said when i am a child i speak like a child and when i acted like a child but when i was a man i put away all those things. that is what i would like to see. equally, i did not agree with hillary when she said certain of us are irredeemable. we are not irredeemable. what we want is less drama and for the country to heal. you see what is going on around us. we need someone who can bring us together.

>> shannon: a lot of folks having that conversation about virginia as well. governor youngkin will be terminal it to have with one term and virginia. when asked about your future, let's get through the elections and statewide elections, those are over but didn't score the big wins that republicans hope for but why do you think that is the case and secondly, what is your political future with those behind you? >> winsome: so, i am always saying the way forward is forward. there was nothing back there. we can learn from it and move forward appear and so, what we do know is that we actually picked up a senate seat. we are not even talking about that. we were down and we have picked up one. yes, the results are not what we wanted them to be, but we are not licking anymore ones. we are going forward if your do we have to have hope and give hope to our children. we know that the democrats outspent us $110 million to the $77 million that we raised.

think about that. for state senate races and state delegate races. that is amazing to me. $110 million. so, money helps because then it helps to bring the message out. and it would have been a worse bloodbath i'm actually a bloodbath period if the governor had not gone through this initiative that he was calling security to vote for virginia. because we were able to bring out absentee voters out, we called them, they normally only vote in presidential races or gubernatorial races. and 500,000 of them, imagine losing 500,000 customers. you can't do that and win. you can't do that and stay in business. so, those are the people we were trying to reach. and we got enough of them, but not enough. we know the democrats are three to four years ahead of us on absentee voting. we are just going to have to

keep plowing through, plowing through. >> shannon: way with your name be on the gubernatorial ballot next time? >> winsome: well, we have sessions starting in virginia and that's what i'm focusing on and we have to get through common sense agenda. the bills are coming through and some of them are so far left. it is not going to be good. but we will work together and get through it. guess what? campaigns are done. it is time to govern. >> shannon: lieutenant governor, thank you. >> winsome: thank you. snow and thank you, shannon. a final word when we are back.

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