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the matter, we did this by drinking hand. thank you. great stuff. thank you so much. that was really excellent. thank you. thank you. i love that you can watch our full, unedited conversation with arnold schwarzenegger at youtube.com slash alex michaelson or listen to it in podcast form by searching for the issue is wherever you stream. eight, nine, ten, >> i'm mike in for shannon bream. new year's eve set to begin at midnight. tumultuous 2023 and 2024 promising to be a year of surprising and a history-making election. [cheering] >> fireworks usher in the new
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year down under and america awaiting the ball drop tonight in time square and celebrating stockholders and mortgage rates drop and inflation slows, but most americans still feel the pinch. ask economic council of advisers chair about the disconnect innon exclusive interview. plus -- >> we're seeing more at the border, it is not unusual, this immigration system has been broken for decades. >> mike: migrant encounters crush records and congress is split on security talks. reaction from texas democrat henry cuellar and tony gonzales. then -- >> i came to the conclusion that i could not unfortunately or fortunately wait for the united states supreme court. >> mike: maine becomes second
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court to try to stop former president trump from the 2024 ballot. it opens pandora's box. >> this is not how we should want to win. this should be decided by voters of the united states, not courts. >> mike: republican hopefuls slam the move and race for the white house heats up on the trail. and talk to the sunday panel about the biggest legal battleings ahead for president trump and president biden's son hunter biden thchl is a special edition of "fox news sunday." >> mike: hello from fox newings in washington. last day of 2023, we begin with news oud of middle east. u.s. navy helicopter sunk three houthi gun boats in the red sea today after coming under attack when responding to a distress call from a danish ship.
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a fourth boat escaped. iran-backed forces struck the same missile. two more ballistic missiles were fired by the houthis. between the attacks on international shipping by houthis. heightened tension over the israel and gaza war. turn to lucas tomlinson. the president is spending his holiday with reaction. >> lucas: first time forces have been forced to return fire. central command says helicopters from the uss divide d eisenhower returned fire sinking the boats, killing all crew members aboard. one managed to escape. both helicopters returned to their ship unharmed. >> mike: there are encouraging
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numbers, but majority have negative opinion of the president's handling of the economy whachl can you tell us? >> lucas: the economy is one reason the president's approval rating has plummeted, having lowest approval rating of any president since the end of world war ii. vast majority of americans think he is too old for the job. >> president biden ended the year feeling update about the economy. all good. take a look. start reporting the right way. >> lucas: he says majority of his own party disagree. 61% of democrats say the economy is in bad shape, 85% of independents agree and only 14% say the president's policies have helped them. the president boasted one more
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great years in the books and listed a number of accomplishments, saying he tackled inflation and lowered costs and created good jobs. he did not mention wall street, dow finishing up 14.5% higher. >> it has been a better year, no question. inflation has come down from 9% down to 3.5% inflation thachl is still too high for people. >> lucas: rates have dropped from the 40-year high many americans still feel the high prices. americans need to make extra $11,000 per year to keep up with inflation and pay the bills. americans have racked up trillion dollars in credit card debt. >> every average american knows under the biden administration, you have less than during the trump administration. >> lucas: when president biden returns to washington, he faces
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a gruelling reelection campaign in 2024. mike. >> mike: lucas tomlinsons, many thanks. joining us now is economic council of advisers chair, jared bernstein, welcome. >> thank you and happy prosperous new year to you and your viewers. >> mike: next year 22% say itlet get better and 44% say they expect the economy to get worse, how troubling heading into an election year? >> jared bernstein: i think on new year's day, good place to start, look at what folks were saying last year at the beginning of this year. you had most financial outlets and economists ensuring us recession was inevitable and unemployment rate would have to rise to get inflation down. price of gas north of $5 a
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gallon, today on new year's eve day, there is no recession. unemployment has been below 4% for 22 months in a row. price of gas is $3.11 across the nation and below $3 in 28 states. this combination of lowering inflation and inflation is on a solid path back to pre-pandemic rate, this combination of tight labor market and easing prices has led to real wage gain of yearly basis, wages have been beating prices for nine months in a row, a trend, not a blip. you ask why is that not reaching more americans? if we look at two most closely watched measures of consumer confidence, they rose big time in december. one was up 10%, the other a whopping 14%. that is one month, not yet a be trend, but it suggest measures
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this president is taking to provide support for families are working and people are starting to feel it. more from the fox poll, only 14% say they have been helped by biden's economic policies, 46% have bye-bye hurt. that number dipped. why do you think mainstream may be upset? >> jared bernstein: people have been through a lot, a 100-year pandemic, global supply chain snarl up that led to global inflation. we've seen geopolitical conflicts and so on. i think some of that is definitely in the mix. but you have to look at what people say. and i pay a lot of attention to that, they are the best arbitter of the economy. if you look at the last couple months from november 1 to
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christmas eve, spending at restaurants went up 8%, spending up 6%, overall retail spending up 3% in just a couple months. this has been a strong christmas season. entrepreneurship, huge gains in folks starting businesses, especially people of color. i don't think you start businesses at this rates, unless you have confidence about where we are going. look at trend in economy, strength of consumer spending, real wage gains for nine months in a row for mid-level workers, i think you see real momentum and good start for the new year. >> mike: you referenced spending, there was talk about ballooning credit card debt in this country, is that a trouble spot down the road? >> jared bernstein: it is something we want to look at, one thing we have seen is
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increase in the net worth or wealth of not just folks at top of the scale, but middle and lower income people, as well. for people in communities of color, we have seen record number of increase in health and one reason white house hold balance sheets have been in good shape. some of what you are calling ballooning is return to normal level of credit card delinquencies or debt level. look how much it cost to service debts, as interest rates have gone up, they are in good shape and if you look at ever tax or disposable income, up 3.7% over the last year and that is tailwind supporting consumer spending. 70% consumer spending in our economy, with strong tailwind of this job market and easing inflation coming back to what it was pre-pandemic and lower prices with eggs, toys, airfare,
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used cars, starting to make a difference to families and some is showing in consumer confidence measures, especially we saw that this month. >> mike: let's be forward-looking starting the new year, what is the president's plan as relates to the economy if elected for a second term? >> jared bernstein: two words, mike, lowering costs. lowering cost of insulin, make sure measures to keep down price of prescription drugs, of healthcare coverage, continue fighting junk fees with concert fees, airfares, hotels, to build on progress and lower inflation and lower cost in key areas of consumer spending. and i think this is very important to look at contrast between who this president is fighting for and who those on the other side of the aisle appear to be fighting for.
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their economic agenda is to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires and repeal legislative measure, lower cost of insulin, prescription drugs and clean energy and health coverage and defund the irs so millionaires and billionaires can continue to evade hundred of billions in taxes. look who is fighting for whom, it is clear. >> mike: what about the debt 33.9 trillion and growing is not sustainable. >> jared bernstein: yeah, totally a fair point and big issue for the coming year. we will have our budget out in a couple of months. that budget will show continued deficit reduction under this president. he has a proposal, talking about the last budget now, to reduce the deficit by 2.5 trillion over 10 years. we can't do that ourselves, we need congress to work with us.
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how? by returning fairness to the tax code, nobody under $400,000 would pay a dime in taxes, many have been evading hundreds o f lh in tax increases, lower price of spending and cost of insulin and
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healthcare coverage. look to us like opposition wants to repeal, so that is going the wrong way, that raises budget deficit we saw in proposals and raises budget deficit and cost for middle class families and seniors, that is not what you see in our budget. >> mike: jared bernstein, thank you, happy new year. >> jared bernstein: thank you, mike. >> mike: time for sunday group, hill national political reporter julia manchester, mollie hemingway, fox news contributor. senior political analyst juan williams and reuters white house correspondents, jeff mason. jeff as white house correspondent, how alarmed is president and his team with the numbers >> jeff: they want to emphasize prices have come down and talk about low unemployment. truth is and important piece politically what your poll
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showed, americans are feeling it, despite what they may i saying, there is concern in the west wing and in delaware how to make americans realize that the biden economy is actually pretty strong. americans just don't see it that way. >> mike: how vulnerable are the numbers for this upcoming election? >> julia: very vulnerable. if this is trump versus biden match up, trump can easily look back on his prepandemic economic numbers and point to low inflation and low unemployment throughout that. that makes biden vulnerable. you will see the biden campaign point to trump's economy during the pandemic, i think end of the day, it is bad issue for president biden. >> mike: we remember in the clinton era, it is economy, stupid, if voters don't feel the economy is strong, mortgage
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rates heading down, if people don't feel it, is biden in trouble? >> juan: yeah. in poll numbers this morning from fox, good news for biden, if you will, heading in the right direction. people feel better about 2023 than 2022 and way better than 2020. numbers are still low. if you look at real world experiences that we have everyday at the gas pump or buying eggs and bread, you see prices going down and americans think that things are getting better and other part of the conversation, julia touched on it prepandemic, people understand, we went through something horrible and had damage done. biden has something to work with here, all numbers jared bernstein went through this morning, i think what you hear on the campaign trail. and he's right, consumer
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confidence, consumer sentiment is up, holiday spending is up and he's going to talk not just about the economy, talk about chaos on capitol hill in the last year and talk about a lot of issues regarding donald trump. >> mike: mollie assess the president's chances based on how people feel about their finances? >> mollie: biden administration is rosey and think everything is going well, for jared bernstein, sounds like things are going well. problem for the biden administration, american people do not share that rosey outlook, by two-1 margin they think the economy will get worse and hearing the biden administration talk about how great prices are and prices are going down, it makes people feel like biden administration has no relationship to reality or no understanding what it is like to
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go to the grocery store and put the same items in your cart and have the price skyrocket. this is a problem for american voters and they want to make sure someone understands how it feels and what it feels like to buy a house and what the mortgage rates are and they are not getting a feeling from the biden administration that they understand the average american. >> mike: plenty more in the show, live pictures of the border in eagle pass, texas, hundreds of thousands of migrants pouring in during the last three years and no clear end in sight. thousands of migrants are making their way through southern mexico to reach the u.s., up next, we will speak to two congressmen, a democrat and a republican about the crisis, after this.
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>> mike: live look at capitol dome in washington. congress is still off this week, senate and house return second week of january with a jam-packed to-do list and january 19th deadline to fund
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the government or face shutdown. chad pergram lays it out for us. >> chad: the legislative lift is prodigguous, rush to complete a border deal to unlock aid for ukraine and israel in shadow of not one, but two potential government the shutdowns. >> winter recess is important for the senate. >> chad: bipartisan talks resumed after christmas. >> i will stay for however long to get this done. doubtful the sides can forge an agreement right away. a collision with the january 19th funding deadline could pulverize border negotiations. house speaker johnson opposes a cr, that could be the only option to avoid shutdown. it will save tens of billions of
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dollars, but won't help us. >> devastating for the military, interim bills squeeze the pentagon the most. >> the cr is unacceptable. >> there is impeachment, holiday recess could persuade leaders to impeach the president after talking with people back home. constituents want to know what is going on here, is our president for sale? >> the house is considering holding hunter biden in contempt of congress. the border could overshadow everything feeling the heat to deal with waves of illegal migrants. mike. >> mike: chad pergram, thanks. staggering figures from the border. since beginning of december, 2conviction,000 migrant encounters there. since new fiscal year, 770,000
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encounters with 83,500 known gotaways, seen or detected but not apprehended. joining me now republican toensz and democrat henry cuellar. gentlemen, welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you, mike. >> mike: eye-popping numbers in terms of illegal immigrants coming to the united states. congressman cuellar, if president biden is watching, what does he need to do? >> look at the poll factor and poll factor as long as people are coming to the border and they feel they are hidden speed bump and being released and waiting for five or six years for adjudication, they will keep coming temperature is pull factor, if we don't address the tension giving them the quick hearing and then deporting most of them are going po to be deps
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because asylum cases, 85% will be rejected, why allow 100%? it is pull factor, you have to have deportation. >> mike: you have invited speaker mike johnson and leading republicans to the border this week. would it be more effective if you had democrats coming, as well. >> tony gonzales: step one is getting republicans onboard. i have hosted democrats, as well and love to host anyone willing to come to the border. life along the border is turned upside down and that is what the speaker and my colleagues will see next week. i believe in legal immigration, i believe most of america believes in legal immigration. we are not seeing that. this is chaos. enough is enough, it is time to deport those that illegally come into the united states and president biden can do that or
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he can watch and lose and watch the next president enforce those policies on the books. hosting speaker johnson next week is critical. i am expecting 60 republican colleagues to join us in eagle pass and hearing directly from people on the ground. stories are going to resonate and it is going to lead house republicans into 2024 as we try to tackle the issues. >> mike: justice depend r department is going after texas governor abbott planning to sue on immigration law threatening to pursue legal emdees to ensure texas does not interfere with functions of the federal government. do you support the doj on that, congressman cuellar? >> there is a federal law that says that if you come into the united states, it is a misdemeanor, then if you keep doing it, it becomes a felony.
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there is something there. my only concern is and i understand the state of texas, there is a frustration and i join them in that frustration. my only thing, only ones trained to do immigration law are border patrol, not the military, not texas dps or local officials, that is my concern, the training part. i join them in frustration. federal law says if you come illegally then it is either misdemeanor or felony and i think it is about time the federal government starts enforcing the books, including title eight. >> mike: congressman tony gonzalez, your thoughts on is that? >> tony gonzales: they sue us and we sue them. and henry and i have 50% of the border and see it everyday. we want solutions, we want real
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tangible border security solutions that keep americans safe. not only that, dewe mand that and there will be no border package that does not include henry cuellar and tony gonzales input on making sure there are tangible solutions because we live it every single day. >> mike: traveling to mexico this week, a join statement talking about a variety of issues and house speaker johnson is furious about what came out of that saying secretary mayorkas and blinken discussed with the president of mexico amnesty for illegal immigrants. do you worry about this attracting people and not deterring them, congressman cuellar? >> no, last time we had amnesty 1986, democratic congress and republican president ronald reagan, that was last time and i
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don't support that. we need to figure out how to stop large number of people coming in. we were with chris murphy and senator cornyn and spent five hours with the president of mexico. we have to make sure we understand each other. we don't want mexico to interfere with our foreign policy or laws, but we want them to do their job. the more we stop people on their 20-yard line, mexico and guatemala, the better we are, support title eight, deportation and detention. >> mike: was the visit to mexico by the cabinet secretaries just a photo op? >> tony gonzales: it think it is more. they are doing their job and i thank them for visiting these countries. they have relied on dhs secretary blinken, i will be clear, there will be no amnesty
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in any national security package, i will make sure of that. i am looking for tangible solutions, that is dog whistle to the left that tries to get them onboard. i'm seeing americans do not feel safe in their own homes. i'm seeing fentanyl killing americans. i'm seeing cities all over the country, new york city, and chicago, but next year we'll be talking about denver and l.a. and philadelphia. there is no end to this border crisis until there are real tangible solutions and that starts with enforcing those that come illegally, you depot them to their counter of originin. >> mike: funding is facing a january 19th deadline after a couple short-term punts, will you get a deal through september 30?
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congressman cuellar? >> tony and i are apropriators and we want to fund the appropriations bill, especially homeland bills. we have january 19th and february 2nd and in between see if we will work out a deal on the border and ukraine and other areas, israel. we want to make sure we don't have a shut down and fund government appropriately. >> mike: congressman, do you worry about another funding extension? >> tony gonzales: i do. if you thought politics in 2023 were fun, wait until 2024, it will be lightning and nonstop. henry and i sit on the appropriations committee, i've been pushing to pass conservative appropriations packages that have gone through the house, work with the senate, and up with a deal and voted against last continuous
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resolution and previous continuing resolution and i will vote against next continuing resolution unless there are meaningful border solutions in there, count me no on any continuing reside resolution. >> mike: thank you. happy new year. up next, fall out after decisions in colorado and maine to keep president trump off the ballot next november, even democrats join republicans calling it unfair and undemocratic. bring back the sunday panel with their thoughts on this hot topic next. ♪ topic next. bu topic next. topic next. topic next. topic next. - topic next. b topic next. u topic next. topic next. topic next. hot-button topic nex. t stut, it expanded whdo for t stut, special olympics athletes with developmental needs. thousands of bank of america employees like scott spend countless hours volunteering to teach people how to reach their financial goals. it felt good.
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>> mike: there is of course criticism after maine followed colorado in pushing to remove president trump from the 2024 presidential ballot. this as several other states have lawsuits calling for their own bans. alexandria hoff has more. >> alexandria: colorado maine rulings remove trump from the ballots, have been put on pause pending appeal. trump plans to ashgsz peel on tuesday. first and foremost obligation is
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oath to hold the constitution and rule of law. >> alexandria: in ground-breaking effort to challenge former president trump's ballot eligibility, maine's decision stands out. the secretary of state ruled to disqualify trump inform colorado, the decision came from the state's supreme court. trump campaign says we are witnessing theft of election and disenfranchisement of the moron voter. 13 states are seeking to ban trump from the primary ballot, leaning on a provision in the u.s. constitution that bans a person engaged in insurrection from holding public office. an appeal leaving interpreting the clause up to the u.s. supreme court. for now, trump's name will appear on colorado primary ballot unless the high court sides with colorado's decision to kick him off.
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>> i think that the court will see this as 18 democratic effort to win this election in the courts, rather than polling places. >> california's shirley webber declined to have trump's name removed from ballots this week, telling l.a. timeings, i have to abide by the rule of law and for me not to do that, i am no better than trump. >> alexandria: if you total upstates where trump has been disqualified or attempting are pending, 171 electorial vote says. >> mike: thank you. bring back the panel. mollie, this action in colorado and maine, is there risk of this becomefiring on democrats and helping former president trump? >> mollie: it is already backfiring, genedemocratic stra
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to try to remove his name from the ballot thchl is viewed by a lot of americans as unfair and antidemocratic. in the united states, we complain about other countries not practicing free and fair election, they have removed opposition party from the ballot or tried to imprison opposition party. they will not vote for candidate of their choice does not reflect well on democratic parties. >> mike: play a comment from florida governor ron desantis. it opens up pandora's box, can you have republican disqualify biden from the ballot? he's let in eight million people illegally. we win when we hold biden accountable and talk about issues that matter to the american people. democrats want the election to be about other issues, do not
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want to face accountability for failed policy. >> mike: juan, where are you on this ballot issue? >> juan: in the case of maine, it was right in the law, she has power of secretary of state and she looked at the law and said insurrection took place on january 6, 2021, there was violence at the capitol and she saw donald trump having a key role in the insurrection and said he can't run on the maine ballot. similar finding in colorado. problem for republicans, they say this is matter of politics. this is like a third world country pushing opponents off the ballot. i can't think of another country where a political leader try to overthrow the government and come say i am running for president. >> mollie: in this country, we practice due process, if you being someone committed a crime,
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you charge them with a crime and have a trial and convict them whachl is happening in this situation, you have unelected justices on the colorado supreme court appointed by democrats and democrat in maine claiming protest is related to -- >> juan: there is constitution, mollie. >> mollie: that is not how our country operates, due process is constitutional protection. >> juan: we are a nation of laws that apply to all of us. the constitution says someone involved in insurrection after civil war can't then run for office. that is the law, that is the law. the problem for trump and the republicans, they can't get away from the stink of january 6 and donald trump lie about january 6. trump is not even saying he's not guilties, he is saying, you can't ask me about it, because i was president. >> mike: we have more to get into, president trump has more
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cases to deal with and president biden's son is facing trouble in 2024. david spunt has more. >> david: 2024, year marked by intense presidential campaign and one filled with trips to the courtroom fchl your name is hunter biden or donald trump, former president facing four state and federal prosecution with possible trials smack dab in the middle of the election year. trump is going to federal appeal court on february 9 hoping the judge will throw out charges related to his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. argument is immunity from prosecution. the indictment alleged only official acts, so it must be dismissed. the filing comes day after u.s. supreme court declined to fast track the case, temporary blow for special counsel jack smith
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who wants to take trump to trial march 4, one day before super tuesday. that date is expected to slide. >> trump's former attorney general barr tells fax news absolute immunity may not extend to the former president. what was the function he was performing after the election? the government's position is that he was a candidate, acting as a candidate, not as president. >> legal challenges plague the biden family as the president's son prepares for next month's arraignment on federal tax charges, including three felonies and faces felony gun charges in delaware and president biden faces a separate special counsel probe into his handling of classified documents while vice president, as well as a possible congressional impeachment. mike. >> mike: david thanks, jeff, you
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covered former president trump. what about running out the clock to win reelection and make these cases go away? >> jeff: that is something his critics and even his supporters think he is doing, it is part of strategy. the number of elections i've covered, i think number five. 2024 will be unprecedented because of dual action of the campaign, the primaries, general election and legal battles. it will underpin the entire race and just going back to the debate on other side of the table, one thing i think we can all agree on, related to legal and politics, january 6 is big part of the 2024 election, regardless what side you are on, what side you are on that day, it is not just about the economy, not just about israel and foreign policy, it is what
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happened at the end of president trump's term in office. >> mike: have you seen any evidence of these cases having a drag on the former president's campaign? >> no, it seems to have made him stronger. he is leading at the national level and reinforces his message he is a victim of political and legal establishment in this country. in terms of the general election if he is the nominee, that is yet to be seen. i'm curious if voters look at this thinking it is more noise from inside washington, but it is interesting when you have trump going through his own legal issues and sitting president's son going through other willing issues. curious to see if voters think it is noise or something to look into. >> mike: what about the impact on biden campaign going forward and house republicans considering going after the president in terms of
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impeachment, juan? >> juan: hunter biden is the president's son, not the president. he is a troubled person to the point of addiction and will events online. i am hone to see what is going on. if he's a tax cheat, go get him, say that from either side of the political aisle. when you look at what they say is basis for impeaching the president of the united states, republicans are looking for smoke because they believe there is a fire. so far they don't even have smoke. they don't have anything. i think in large part it looks like they are acting as if they were political extensions of the trump campaign and trying to create equivalence of legal troubles of president trump and rudy giuliani being found guilty
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and sydney powell on the trump side, that is similar to democrats. so far there is no evidence. >> mollie: problem for president biden, two major problems, one is the biden family business, which traded on the name of joe biden for and got a lot of money from foreign ol garbings and foreign entities. people toich testifying the business would not have existed without joe biden and some money did make it to the biden family. more troubling is this other issue that every step of the way, when officials started looking into biden family business, they were obstructed and shut down and president biden admitted he knew hunter planned to obstruct business when foreign oggarbings give money in exchange for access to joe biden and he said he knew
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the white house said joe biden knew hunter biden planned to obstruct congress and didn't do anything to encourage him to follow the law and testify in front of congress. look at recent impeachmentings, president trump, president clinton, this is more serious. >> juan: their is evidence of president trump trying to export ukrainian president, there is no evidence here. >> mollie: that looks different now, look back and think president trump wanted to look into krupgsz now revealed in ukraine with biden family taking money. >> juan: i am shocked at this, it is nothing. >> mike: panel, stay with us, up next, two weeks until the iowa caucus, first time americans will have their voices heard on who they want to be the president. scrambling to make final impression before iowans go to caucus. more on that next.
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>> nikki haley is run og donor issues, i'm running on the people's issues. >> ron has been desperate from the beginning, commercials he's doing in iowa are a lie. >> mike: getting feisty, trading barbs before the iowa caucuses. back with the panel, julia, new year is great time for predictions. do you think trump v biden rematch or are you expecting surprises? >> julia: there is always potential for surprises, if we look at polls, seems we are
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heading toward trump versus biden rematch. i have my eye on new hampshire, we are talking about iowa because it is first. new hampshire is interesting, you have trump and then haley in second place. the hill's decision desk average shows haley 17 points behind trump, that is a lot and chris christie is behind 10%. if chris christie were to drop out, that would bump haley closer to trump. before the drama and fall out from her comments about slavery and the civil war, we were talking about that, but chris christie has dug into that and given no indication he is dropping out. new hampshire is one to watch. >> jeff: it's been a race, former president trump has been ahead, has not shown up at
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debates because he hasn't needed to. there might be surprises. important to remind us, polls have been wrong. there could be voters who aren't saying what they will do. polling largely, the difference between candidates is so huge, it is pretty hard to imagine it is not a trump v biden 2024 race. >> mike: mollie, what about pressure on republican candidate to get out and make it a two-person race on the republican side? >> mollie: to the point just made, would help nikki haley if chris christie got out, but it wouldn't change everything altogether anyway fchl ron desantis pulled out, got close in iowa and if nikki haley wins in new hampshire, it really doesn't change contour of the race much. the american voter seems to have committed to president trump, he is essentially getting to run as
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ink incumbent and would seem more report for donald trump than for joe biden to be nominee of the democratic party. >> mike: are democrats worry right to be worried? >> juan: it is, they would drain support from president biden more than donald trump although if you look at kennedy, that might be -- r.f.k. jr., excuse me, that might be different. look at history of this and people going back to john anderson and think about ross perot, 19% and anderson 7%, gary johnson and jill stein, single digits. they are spoilers, not winners. they would likely spoil for joe biden. >> mike: great job, happy new year. see you next sunday.
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>> we are likely to learn who participated in sex escapades of jeff jeffrey epstein. the list is expected to be outed. 150 people mentioned could appeal the ruling. the list including former employees and sexual abuse victims, victims are expected to remain anonymous. related to defamation case brought by roberts against maxwell, claiming maxwell alleged roberts was lying about being sex trafficked by epstein.
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tennessee republican censorship blackburn has been pushing for release. we need to know whos on that plane, who was participating in this? they redacted the records in the maxwell trial. getting to the bottom of this is important. >> mike: congressman tim burchett has suggested flight logs have not been made public because too many colleagues could be compromised. epstein killed himself while behind bars awaiting trial. robert f kennedy jr. says the record should be released to the public and talked about his own flights on epstein's plane. >> i was on it in 1993 and i was on it and went to florida with my wife and two children to
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visit my mom over easter. >> mike: it is expected high-profile names could be released any day now, a story we will track this week. that's it for today, thank you for joining us. i'm mike in for shannon bream, happ y ne
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