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hours as he bled to death. >> this is a new crime against palestinian journalists that adds up to the crime of israeli occupation, a new crime.

up at occupation forces by targeting this collie, the cameraman who was on duty. amy: al jazeera is filing a complaint with the international criminal work, calling the targeting of journalists war crime. we will speak with marwan bishara of al jazeera. then as some 200 countries that cop28 agreed to phaseout fossil fuel, facing the pressure for oil and gas projects. climate groups in the u.k. follow lawsuit to block that says it is affecting 1.5. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. israel is continuing its deadly attacks across the gaza strip, with mass casualties reported in densely populated areas, including the jabalia and

nuseirat refugee camps. as the death toll in gaza nears 19,000, a new human right watch report accuses israel of using starvation as a weapon of war, which is a war crime. human rights watch says -- "israeli forces are deliberately blocking the delivery of water, food, and fuel, while willfully impeding humanitarian assistance, apparently razing agricultural areas, and depriving the civilian population of objects indispensable to their survival." the damning report comes as another road crossing into gaza was opened this weekend. but the karem abu salem, or kerem shalom, crossing had only allowed 24 trucks carrying medical supplies and fuel to enter as of earlier today. the trucks are required to go through an israeli checkpoint, effectively delaying aid that used to pass much more freely through the rafah crossing. when 500 trucks a day were going

through. pope francis has condemned what he calls israeli terrorism after an israeli soldier shot and killed two christian women, an elderly woman and her adult daughter who tried to save her, at a catholic church in gaza city sunday. displaced christian families have been sheltering at the holy family latin parish in gaza city, which came under intense israeli bombardment over the weekend. israel also also continues to target hospitals across gaza. on sunday, an israeli tank shelled the maternity building at the nasser medical complex in khan younis, killing a 13-year-old girl and injuring several others. in gaza city, there are reports of continuous gunfire at al-shifa hospital. a team from the world health organization that was able to deliver limited relief supplies to al-shifa saturday described the hospital's emergency ward as a bloodbath. >> the largest hospital here in

gaza -- it can only provide the most basic care to people with very serious illnesses and injuries. there are women delivering an, space -- in common space areas. most patients are on the floor. a few are in beds and a few stretchers. children are on the floor being treated for serious injuries and burns. amy: the palestinian health ministry has called for an urgent investigation into reports that israeli forces bulldozed tents housing displaced palestinians in the courtyard of the kamal adwan hospital, crushing people to death inside their makeshift shelters. this comes just days after israeli troops rounded up men and boys at the hospital, including medical staff. among those detained was hospital director dr. ahmed al-kahlot.

>> they raided the building. they took all the employees for investigation. there were six bodies in a six-year-old patient who died. they took these bodies. i don't know what they did with them. according to employees, they burned bodies. amy: colleges there is filing a complaint with the international criminal court over the killing of photojournalist samer abu daqqa, who bled to death over the course of five hours on friday after he was injured in an israeli drone strike. he was covering the aftermath. israeli forces reportedly prevented rescue workers from reaching abu daqqa, at one point firing on an ambulance. the same attack injured al jazeera's gaza bureau chief wael al-dahdouh, who in october lost

12 members of his family to an israeli air strike. elsewhere, palestinian journalist mohammed balousha was shot in the thigh on saturday in an apparent attack by an israeli sniper. he was wearing a helmet and press badge when he was fired on. his previously pro-orting on the debt that -- reporting on the debt that premature babies are international attention. in occupied east jerusalem, photojournalist mustafa alkharouf was hospitalized friday after he was severely beaten by israeli police officers. alkharouf had been taking photographs outside the al-aqsa mosque when officers pointed their weapons at him, then threw him to the ground and began beating and kicking him.

the attack was caught live on cnn. we'll have more on israel's attacks on journalists later in the broadcast. israel's military says it is investigating why its soldiers shot and killed three israeli hostages on friday as they approached troops in gaza city begging for help. an israeli military official said sunday the three men were shirtless, with one of them waving a white flag, when troops opened fire on the men in violation of the israeli military rules of engagement. makeshift signs written in hebrew reading "s.o.s." and "help, three hostages" were hung on a building near the spot where the three men were shot dead. news of the killings sparked protests in tel aviv over the weekend. on saturday, released captives demanded the israeli government act decisively to free the more-than-100 remaining hostages held in gaza. this is former hostage danielle

aloni. >> my daughter was there. every day that passes is a danger to their lives. i was there. my daughter was there. do not abandon the hostages. we must act now. a deal is required today. bring them home now! amy: this comes amidst reports the head of the israeli spy agency mossad met with the cautery prime minister --qatari prime minister and relaunching talks to release the remaining hostages. u.s. secretary is now in tel aviv, lloyd austin. and significant shift, the british foreign secretary david cameron and german foreign minister annalena baerbock called for a sustainable ceasefire in a joint article in the sunday times. the pair said efforts should be focused on a two-state solution after the assault comes to an end. the u.k. and germany had

previously declined to call for a ceasefire and abstained from voting last week on the u.n. general assembly's ceasefire resolution. also on sunday, french foreign minister catherine colonna called for an immediate and durable truce while meeting with her israeli counterpart eli cohen in tel aviv, saying "too many civilians are being killed" in gaza. this comes as u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin arrived in israel earlier today, where he is expected to focus talks on transitioning to a lower intensity war. austin traveled to israel from kuwait, where he paid his respects after the death of sheikh nawaf al-ahmad al-sabah, the emir of kuwait, who was buried sunday. meanwhile, the u.n. security council is voting today on a new resolution calling for a "urgent and sustainable cessation of hostilities."

in the united states, rudy giuliani, donald trump's former lawyer, has been ordered to pay $148 million in damages to two former georgia election workers he defamed after the 2020 election. giuliani falsely accused ruby freeman and her daughter shaye moss of ballot tampering, leading to harassment and threats against the two women by trump supporters. this is shaye moss speaking after the verdict friday. >> the flame that giuliani lit was so -- pastor so many others to keep that flame blazing, changed every aspect of our lives. our homes, our families, our work, our sense of safety, or mental health. and we are still working to rebuild. amy: it's not clear whether giuliani will be able to pull together the money and how much the two women will end up receiving. giuliani has vowed to appeal.

donald trump has intensified his hate speech and attacks on immigrants ahead of iowa's republican presidential primary next month. trump spoke at a rally in new hampshire saturday. pres. trump: they are poisoning the blood of our country. they have poisoned mental institutions and prisons all over the world. not just in south america, the three or four countries, but they're coming from africa, asia. amy: if re-elected president, trump has vowed to soar mass deportations and enact many of his previous anti-immigrant policies. the white house condemned trump's remarks as fascist and said he was "parroting adolf hitler." president biden has also been widely criticized for perpetuating border and immigration restrictions similar to trump's, including asylum bands, detention, and large-scale deportations. in ohio, prosecutors have

criminally charged a woman for having a miscarriage at home, sparking widespread outrage. brittany watts, a black woman, was told by her doctor that her 21-week pregnancy was non-viable. although abortion is legal in ohio until 22 weeks, watts was not able to have her labor induced over hospital concerns about potential legal issues. she had a miscarriage at home in her bathroom. after the miscarriage, watts became ill and was treated in the hospital, where a nurse called the police after watts told her she had to dispose of the contents of her miscarriage. brittany watts, who was still sick and grieving the loss of her pregnancy, was questioned by a police officer in her hospital room. two weeks later, ohio authorities charge watts with felony abuse of a corpse, which carries a possible sentence of a year in prison. serbian president aleksandar vucic has declared victory after

his right-wing populist party appeared to be on course for an absolute majority in serbia's parliament after a snap election on sunday. opposition candidates accused vucic's ruling party of vote rigging and voter intimidation and said it would lodge official complaints with the state election commission. in argentina, human rights advocates warn of a looming crackdown planned by the government of far-right president javier milei to suppress anticipated protests in response to milei's harmful economic reforms and the drastic devaluation of the argentinian currency. the plan targets the blockade of roads and major highways, while milei's security minister said last week protesters would be surveilled with video, digital or manual means. the move was condemned by leaders across latin america. this is mexican president andrés manuel lópez obrador. >> don't fall into any provocation.

nonviolence and civil peaceful resistance are politically effective. don't expose yourself to danger. that does not mean not protesting. amy: and chilean voters have rejected a new draft of the constitution proposed by conservative lawmakers to replace the pinochet dictatorship-era charter. sunday's vote came over one year since chileans also rejected a separate draft put together by progressives that would have expanded indigenous rights, abortion access, and address the climate crisis. the conservative proposal could have further restricted reproductive rights. chilean president gabriel boric said sunday his government won't attempt to change the constitution for a third time. >> the constitutional referendum was supposed to bring hope but it generated frustration. politics is so weak and it is essential these results have an immediate effect. focused two great deals and solutions chile needs.

amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now! democracynow.org, the war and peace report. when we come back, we will speak to marwan bishara, senior political analyst at al jazeera. we will talk about the visit of u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin. we will talk about what they call the day after. and also the killing of his colleague samer abu daqqa. back in a moment. ♪ [music break]

amy: the jazz pianist and composer passed away in october. this is democracy now! democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. israel is intensifying its attacks across gaza as pressure grows on israel to support another ceasefire. the israeli newspaper haaretz reports the head of the mossad, israel's intelligence service, has met with the prime minister of qatar and cia chief william burns in poland.

talks between mossad and qatar also took place in norway. meanwhile, u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin has arrived in tel aviv for talks. this comes as israel continues to carry out attacks across gaza targeting hospitals and refugee camps and schools. authorities in gaza say an israeli attack on the jabalia refugee camp killed 110 people on saturday. israel has also raided the kamal adwan hospital where doctors say israeli bulldozers crushed palestinians to death, including wounded patients who were living in tents in the hospital's courtyard. israel has also attacked al-shifa hospital in gaza city and the nasser medical complex in khan younis. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is facing growing calls to secure the release of the remaining israeli hostages in gaza after israeli forces mistakenly shot dead three israeli hostages who managed to escape captivity in northern gaza.

the three men, who were all shirtless, were shot as they cried for help in hebrew while holding up a white flag. meanwhile, israel continues to attack palestinian journalists. on friday, al jazeera journalist samer abudaqa was killed after an israeli drone struck a school in khan younis were displaced palestinians were being sheltered. in a statement, al jazeera said -- "following samer's injury, he was left to bleed to death for over hours, as israeli forces five prevented ambulances and rescue workers from reaching him, denying the much-needed emergency treatment." this is ibrahim qanan, a reporter for al ghad in gaza. >> this is a horrific crime, direct target. the first missile hit samer and

he tried to crawl but the israeli warplanes hit him again so he became a martyr and his body was cut into pieces. this is a crime, day and night, against the media outlets who are working to reveal the israel i occupation crimes in the gaza strip. amy: al jazeera says it will ask the international criminal court to investigate the killing of samer abudaqa. he was working with his colleague wael al-dahdouh, the head of al jazeera who was killed in the same drone strike. they were reporting from the school together. wael was able to walk to a hospital to receive medical attention. he had lost his wife, son, daughter, and grandson in an earlier israeli attack. we begin today's show with marwan bishara, al jazeera's senior political analyst.

longtime palestinian journalist and author. his books include "palestine-israel." he is joining us from the studios of al jazeera in doah. welcome to democracy now! if you can start off, since you are there at al jazeera, by talking about the international criminal court complaint that al jazeera has filed after the deaths of a beloved cameraman who is worked with so many al jazeera journalists, was working with the head of al jazeera in gaza at the time with wael al-dahdouh, talk about what happened to him and just what it is like to walk the halls of al jazeera right now. every hour over the weekend the tributes to him, the videos come the photos of him, his colleagues remembering him come

his family crying out for him. >> as you know, this is not the first time we are going through this. we have gone through it a number of times, mourning the deaths of our colleagues in the deaths of their families. their families are also our extended family. that is been going on too long. we have covered too many wars. 2008, 2009, we have gone through four wars and only a couple of years ago one of our colleagues was killed in the jenin refugee camp. it is all too close to home. every day we live the tragedy of the death of several hundred in gaza. but when it comes to our very own, i guess it is human nature.

you just can't ignore it. can't go on without being preoccupied with it, preoccupied with the feelings of those loved ones that continue to endure the bombings that we're seeing in gaza and the rest of palestine. so it is a somber atmosphere, the people here i guess bow our heads. there is no other option. as countless people die and countless family suffer without shelter, without medical treatment, even without food -- it is just a tragedy that we have to deal with and report on. amy: let's talk about that issue of food. you have this did human rights watch report out that is accusing israel of using starvation as a weapon of war

saying israeli forces are deliberately blocking the delivery of water, food, fuel while impeding humanitarian assistance, apparently razing agricultural areas, depriving the survey population of objects indispensable for their survival. this is the deputy executive director of the u.n. world food program speaking to reporters last week in new york after recent visit to gaza. >> what we found was half of the population are starving. the grim reality is also nine out of 10 people are not eating enough, are not eating every day, and don't know where the next meal is going to come from. we are ready to deliver another chinle a people within a couple of weeks should the conditions allow. let me reiterate, should those conditions allow, would be opening more crossings and a humanitarian cease-fire to be able to reach people across the

strip. amy: the deputy executive director of the u.n. world food program says nine out of 10 people are not eating enough in gaza. in the past, with all of causes problems, hunger was not one of them. can you talk about the significance of this and also the latest news -- even as we are broadcasting, the attacks on one hospital after another. they were covering the strike on the u.n. school in khan younis when samer abu daqqa was killed. >> just a reminder to your viewers, there was also a report by oxfam october 23, just two weeks after the war started on gaza, where it also spoke about the weaponization of hunger. this has been going on since day one, since october 8, when the

so-called defense minister of war gallant, if you remember, made his infamous threat by saying, we're going to cut their food, fuel, electricity, basically denying palestinians of every basic need. it is part of the collective punishment that israel decided from day one to impose on the palestinians, which is a war crime. but that has been the nature of the war. right after he said he's going to deny the palestinians in gaza all this, he said they are human animals. this is basically an intent for genocide. right after he did make those infamous declarations, the president of israel herzog also came out coming to his view, there are no innocents in gaza. that was for the prime minister

netanyahu who said something about an analogy with some biblical times comparing the palestinians -- basically saying israel would go after their families, that parents, children come even the infants and their families. so we have that three leading israeli officials basically admitting a public -- collective punishment against palestinians and general in gaza. amy: marwan, if you could talk about what is happening? the increasing isolation in israel and the united states supporting israel? give another boat today in the u.n. secure to counsel a route to cease-fire, have the british and german foreign minister's calling for a cease-fire,

further isolating the u.s. which blocked a cease-fire at the u.n. security council. lloyd austin is in tel aviv meeting with the israeli leadership. if you can shed light on netanyahu after the killing of the three israeli hostages held a news conference. he is under enormous pressure right now to put the hostages at the top. you have negotiations going on, apparently come in norway between the qatari and mossad officials and now william burns in poland. talk about all that is happening right now. netanyahu not wanting to end this war right now and there's a question since he is facing one criminal trial after another himself, whether once this ends and there is a real evaluation done, he could end up in jail himself. so putting that off.

>> let's start to dissect all of these very complicated issues. let me start with a quick -- not correction, but shed light on the german british position. they have not called for an immediate cease-fire. they called for a sustained cease-fire, which is the opposite of an immediate cease-fire because basically they say there's not anything we think of it will happen in the near future. when they mention sustained come that means circumstances have to be suitable. which is close to the american position. the european clients of the united states -- for the time being, to remain so, clients of the united states, basically to the displeasure of the majority of their public opinion. also the public opinion of the u.s., apparently. it clearly the biden administration wants to beautify the genocide in gaza.

i think they are embarrassed because the reports coming out of gaza, the suffering, and all of that, is reaching american public and the western public in general. they need to give the impression they are doing something. writing articles and someone is so forth to at least prove they are trying to do something while in fact, the u.s. continues to subsidize this war, manage this war -- we see lloyd austin sitting with the rest of the israeli generals. and of course sending nuclear submarines to the area and shielding israel. committing $14 billion to israel 's war effort. the united states continues to support while claiming to distance it self from the intensive phase of the war, claiming they want to do something different. that is what we have for the

time being. the fact of the matter is, until today, 10 weeks later, the united states is yet to condemn israel, to distance themselves from those were crimes have been reported once and again that are taking place in gaza. all what they're saying is israel should try to minimize because too many palestinians have died over the past 10 weeks. and now when they talk about the phase out, and this is an interesting fact, they are saying israel should perhaps target hamas fighters, hamas tunnels, and assassinate their leaders. it begs the question, if this is the way to fight hamas, why did they go on and destroy gaza, leading to tens of thousands of casualties the past 10 weeks? there is clearly another way to fight this war, which is going after hamas, not gazans.

from the beginning, gaza has been the target of this war, not hamas. if you look at the statistics, gazans, the journalists come the doctors, nurses, teachers, academics, the children have been the main victims of this war. hamas militants have any collateral damage in this war. for the past 10 weeks, it was gaza being decimated. it has been a war on hospitals, schools, mosques, and on children. and yet it was unconditionally supported by the united states and other western powers. we have not heard a single retraction and it is still being shielded at the united nations. 150 three members called for an immediate cease-fire, and what

to u.s. do? voted against it. 13 members of the u.n. security council voted for an immediate cease-fire. britain abstained. united states vetoed. the u.s. until today, they said isolated. when president biden tells a small group of people in washington that israel is perhaps losing their public support, what public support? what international public support? a majority in america, to my knowledge, ask for a cease-fire -- the biden administration and his lackeys in london and berlin. the rest of the international community, including the absolute majority of everyone in this region, whats a cease-fire. we just interviewed a number of people in gaza in the streets in gaza and asked them, what do you

think about lloyd austin coming to the area? they said something to the fact, oh, my god, this means we are going to be bombed again and again the next few days. think about that. since b iden landed in october, every time an american official shows up in israel, israel intensifies the bombings. every visit by blinken or sullivan or lloyd austin, we have seen an intensification of the bombing of the infrastructure of gaza. of the residential buildings in gaza. that has been the reality. so the process, if you will, shows unconditional american support despite the various verbal diarrhea that comes out of western -- we are not very happy about too many

palestinians dying. how many is enough exactly for them to stop israel continuing? because israel could not sustain this war, could not survive in the region like this without american support. in fact, netanyahu same we will win this war with the support of united a's. a country that calls itself the most important power is incapable of defeating a small guerrilla group that is that under siege for the past 17 years and it requires the deployment of aircraft carriers and the financial power -- superpower and yet until today, it still insists it is not even done half the job because despite the tens of thousands of casualties, despite the debt that more than 7000 children, only a fraction of hamas fighters have been killed in this war.

the endgame and the military objectives, none of them have been reached despite the genocide that continues to unravel in palestine. amy: netanyahu holds this news conference on saturday after the killing of the three israeli hostages in gaza, and he says we have to intensify the war to make hamas release the hostages. what is your response to this? clearly at odds with even israel i public opinion? and the idea these three men who were killed by israeli forces, netanyahu saying his own forces violated the rules of war, was this any different or any surprise than the way thousands of palestinians have been treated? many also holding up a white flag. the surprise here is these hostages were not treated

differently than palestinians. >> absolutely. shirtless, white flag, shouting in hebrew and yet they were martyred by their own. which tells you, according to a good number of israelis speaking out, there are no rules of engagement. it is crap. you shoot whatever moves in gaza. yes, it is hard because the israelis have been doing that since day one. as you said, it is also why these arguments about -- this is somewhat ridiculous argument. they said the aim of the war is first to defeat hamas, second -- they said if we intensify the war, hamas would be pressure to reach -- they have re resorted to asking

for help. your diplomacy, they're able to release some of the hostages. then they went back -- they want to try again. the news is hamas will no longer accept humanitarian and now insists on permanent cease-fire and the israeli forces from gaza. otherwise, what incentive does hamas have? if the israelis, with the support of the u.s., are going to continue the bombings the next day and insists the war objective is to kill hamas fighters, there is zero incentive to release hostages. apparently, biden got a file that says something to the fact come the israeli mainstream

paper haaretz, personal vested interest in prolonging the war. because he come as a political criminal indicted in corruption charges, netanyahu, he has a vested interest to prolong the war is much as he can in order to improve his chances for reelection. he just put in the military started making his populist slogans, saying only he can prevent -- only he can stand up to the united states israel israel and theis need to elect him again. the military establishment has vested interest to continue with this war. amy: marwan bishara, thank you for being with us, al jazeera's senior political analyst, speaking to us from doha, born in nazareth, the occupied west bank. thank you so much for being with us.

coming out, nina lakhani -- coming up, nina lakhani of the guardian. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: the brazilian musician died at the age of 90. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. after a decade-long campaign, climate activists say more than 1600 institutions have now cut ties with the fossil fuel industry and divested some $41 trillion in assets. this comes as nearly 200 countries agreed to a deal at the cop28 u.n. climate summit to phase down fossil fuels, replacing language calling for a phase out. now a growing number of

democrats are calling on president biden to stop massive new fossil fuel developments. meanwhile in britain, just days after cop28 wrapped up, climate groups filed a lawsuit to block the development of the massive new rosebank oilfield in the north sea, saying approval of the project violates the britain's legal obligations to target net zero carbon emissions. for more we go to london to speak with the guardian's senior climate justice reporter nina lakhani, who covered cop28, and her latest piece is titled "indigenous people and climate justice groups say cop28 was 'business as usual'." it is great to have you with this. why don't you talk about the fallout of the u.n. climate summit, the head of it, the head of adnoc, so sultan al jaber,

also president of the cop, and the taking out of any language of fossil fuel phase out, making it phase down, what all this means? >> it is nice to be with you. i think on that last piece you just mentioned, that is a summary of where we got to. i think on that last day, there were some very happy countries and very happy industries. the biggest polluting countries and industries in the world including the u.s., u.k., eu, canada, australia, denmark, norway, enough also feel industry is self were extremely happy with the results. the language we ended up with this and even as good as you are saying. all it says is there will be a transition away from fossil

fuels. there is no timeline. there's nothing for concrete than that. frontline communities are very much there's nothing in there about -- there's no differentiated responsibility. no language that basically acknowledges the historic responsibility of rich, developed countries like the u.s. and u.k. and others in the current climate catastrophe. and it faces no sort of extra responsibility on them to get rid of fossil fuels first or any timeline at all. in addition to that, pressure from the u.s. and eu and others, there is a huge get out clause. there's a paragraph that says

transition fuels will be ok. i that they're talking about gas. as we know and you have reported on on democracy now!, the biden administration has been expanding -- the u.s. is the biggest oil and gas producer in the world this year by a long way. it also has a plan to expand oil and gas at much greater and faster scale than any other country in the world. including the transition to fuel, which is language that comes from the fossil fuel industry, in the text, there's basically a get up close to all of those countries wanting to exploit and extract their gas resources. one more thing, pressure from the same countries in same industries, there is an explicit use -- they don't use the word unabated but they do say -- they

give a big shout out to niche, unproven technologies like carbon capture, like hydrogen, like geo-engineering -- which are expensive, they don't work very well at all, basically will greenlight further expansion of oil, gas, and cold that rich moneys will have money for these technologies to minimize or you know to lessen the greenhouse gas impact. all of that together is why small island nations, the african groups, among many other countries, felt -- have been left without any means, without any recognition that developed countries that got them into this mess are going to be the ones that shoulder the burden of funding for the needs of implementation to get us out of

this mess, just transition. really equity is not anywhere to be seen in that final agreement that we got. amy: so if you can talk about your latest piece, which involves indigenous voices and what is happening for the global south. who needs to be heard? and if you feel the fact that they even reference fossil fuels for the first time in a final cop document is in anyway way in achievement, success? >>. there are lots of ways to define the store. it is historic in it is the first time fossil fuels are mentioned after 28 cops, after three decades of climate scientists telling us or warning us that fossil fuels where the primary major driver of the

climate crisis. yes, it is historic. it is tragically historic it has taken this long to get into the cop text. but what does that mean? words are just words if there is no means of implementation. in the appears agreement, which -- in the paris agreement, it is very clear developed countries, those that got rich from extracting fossil fuels, like the u.s. and u.k. and others, have a responsibility to provide developed countries with the means of implementation -- transition away from fossil fuels to renewable energies, client met adaptation and other climate finance. that means finance, technology transfer, capacity building. without the means of

implementation, these are just words. developing countries are already facing trillions of dollars in a funding gap in order to fulfill climate finance meditation. $400 billion year in irreversible loss and damage on top of that. there's nothing concrete, direct in the final text. because developed countries pushed to get it out and refused to budge on this, to make it clear that they are the ones that are responsible and must help developing countries transition away from fossil fuels. let me give you an example. to take malaysia. malaysia has a national oil company. 20% of malaysia's national budget, the money its government uses for education, health, other public services, comes

from international oil company. take mozambique, one of the poorest countries in the world, has huge amount of gas. how are we going -- why should these countries stopped and gas, how can i possibly do that when they are still unable and are still trying any the basic of their population? they have to be helped. they have to be given the help to transition away to leave fossil fuels in the ground and be able to continue to develop their own country's for the best of their people. otherwise, they're not going to be able to do that. what developing countries have been saying for years is developed countries who benefit from extracting fossil fuels now one must to do more and more and more, but when they're not willing to do even the bare minimum. why has the biden administration

greenlighted the willow project? white is a green lighting massive gas expansion projects, which by the way, will be a death sentence to communities along the louisiana coast. why the u.s., which has already benefited so much from extracting fossil fuels come not willing to stop its own expansion but is demanding developing countries stop exploiting the resources they have? there's nothing fair and equitable in that. amy: i what to turn to unusual voice at the u.n. climate summit in july. while we were there, we spoke to head of the largest indigenous delegation in the history of the cop. sônia guajajara is brazil's first indigenous cabinet minister. she is the minister of indigenous peoples. i asked her what she wanted to see come out of this u.n. climate summit. this is what she said. >> for the indigenous peoples,

we need to prepare for the road we need to head down in order to reach cop30. that will be held in belém. we also need to prepare so we can have a direct impact on the debates that unfold here at the cop. oftentimes, we're not even close to it. it is very important we indigenous peoples participate in these forums and there is a group directly on top of this. so we are here so indigenous peoples can have more space in decision-making and the general message is we have little time left to make leaders, government leaders, need not only to take on commitments here but also to understand we are in a state of emergency. in order to emerge from the state of emergency, investment is needed. financing is needed and protection so we can all protect the planet. amy: president lula still has

plans to do massive offshore oil drilling. as the first indigenous peoples minister, do you condemn this move? are you weighing in on this? do you support this? >> look, in brazil, we are at a moment of transition to clean energies as well. we are building that together. president lula is committed to making that transition. now we're using what is available to us such as the wind and the water so we can emerge from the energy we are using today based on destruction and so that we can have renewable energy that protects the peoples and does not destroy the environment. amy: that is sonia guajajara, brazil's first minister of indigenous peoples, lifelong leader in brazil's indigenous rights movement, the historic

federal ministry was established in january by lula, the brazilian president, to advance and protect the rights of indigenous people in brazil. and brazil, specifically belém, is going to be the site of not here's u.n. climate summit, with the following year. so they had one of the biggest allegations -- and fact, i think there delegation outnumbered only two delegations, uae and brazil come out number the number of fossil fuel lobbyists there were at this u.n. climate summit, 2400. i'm wondering if you can talk about the significance of brazil being host to a u.n. climate summit? also next year the petro state e in the whole issue of what indigenous people space? you in particular are an expert

on this. you wrote the book about berta cáceres, the hundred indigenous rights activist who was murdered in her home. now honduran authorities issuing an arrest warrant for one of the heads of the suspected mastermind of her murder -- the former financial manager of the hydroelectric company desa. if you can talk about all of this? >> let me start with i guess a simple fact that gives us context for all of what you're talking about, amy. what is climate justice? we are not all in this together. when it comes to the climate crisis, we're not all in this together. we did not all contribute in the same way or the same amount. we're not all impacted in the

same way. we are not all going to benefit from the solutions in the same way. that is the inequity of where we are in the climate crisis. when it comes to indigenous people, and i'm glad you brought up the fossil fuel lobbyists. they outnumber the official indigenous people delegation by seven to one. one in 30 of the people we saw walking through the corridors of cop28 and dubai were fossil fuel lobbyists. on top of that, had big ads, big dairy lobbyists, others there who were promoting false solutions. there were lots of these groups like the api, ad agencies, pr companies that have a long and glorious track record in climate denialism.

they had more access to the meeting rooms where decisions were being made, where negotiations were happening, then indigenous peoples. indigenous peoples who are at the front line of the climate impacts the world is facing come also the guardians of most of the bow diversity in the world. there also the reason the planet even still exists. indigenous peoples around the world have lived sustainably with their resources, did not exploit them for profit, for millennia. they have knowledge and the solutions yet they are so rarely given a seat at the table. they are so rarely part of the decision-making process. brazil is one of the few

exceptions. i think it comes as president lula i brazil is continuing to expand his fossil fuel extraction. it comes back to what i was saying before -- july amy: less than a minute. >> we cannot and the u.s. or u.k. demand countries like brazil phaseout fossil fuels while we continue ourselves to expand and get rich. we have no moral authority to do that. the u.k. and developed countries in the u.s., they have to provide the implementation for indigenous and developing countries to transition away and take the climate action that the whole world needs. amy: 20 seconds, if you want to comment on one of the heads of having an arrest warrant out for the death of berta cáceres. >> that is huge news. he is from one of the most

powerful oligarchs in honduras, politically and economically powerful, his father and uncle were the majority shareholders in desa. amy: that is that tees for our post show interview.